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quocthaibinhan
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quocthaibinhan,

I clearly understand that you do not appreciate the Nguyen Dynasty or Prince Buu Chanh.

Let me ask you, what do you think about Nguyen Cao Ky returning to Vietnam ?

Also what do you think about two party system in Vietnam?

Russia was communist and now they have democracy and also was Cambodia.

Lets have some reasonable dialogue.


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My answers (the person's name is not posted as it is unneccessary):


I may as well start a thread on this, as the questions are valid. And I will let others have a chance to have a go at it also.

My rough answer will be: I am not against any regime as long as they can tell what is the difference they can bring, and not repeating the same old crap that can only mess it up. Since no one can tell me what has changed, I therefore concluded that I appreciate quite well those who wave 3 worm flag.

Cao Ky going back to VN:

There are two ways one can help VN. Raise the issue how Viet Nam got into this mess. And secondly, help to feed and educate the people and bettering their lives. Like it or not Cao Ky does seem to do both, although he does not tell much truth about the causes. However, the issue is certainly being raised very time he is going back.

Two parties system sucks. It should be muli not two. Many countries have changed to this systems and the reasons are already mentioned, but mainly there are more balances of power in multi than in two.

The last one does not need an answer, democracy is good to keep the balances of power, but Vietnam has proven that through out history much of the time it was under totalitarian system. It was working because the people were good and following Buddhist principles. Any regimes that ignore or afraid of this principles are likely to be bad (I have already mentioned this)

Again the most treasured resource in any country is what .??? Answer this and you will start to understand !!!!!.
herosword
You're obviously not a poli sci major; or have very little understanding of social sciences.
dragon
QUOTE (herosword @ Feb 7 2005, 12:37 AM)
You're obviously not a poli sci major; or have very little understanding of social sciences.
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Not to mention vague as hell too!
quocthaibinhan
QUOTE (dragon @ Feb 7 2005, 12:03 PM)
QUOTE (herosword @ Feb 7 2005, 12:37 AM)
You're obviously not a poli sci major; or have very little understanding of social sciences.
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Not to mention vague as hell too!
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Is this as much relevance as those waving 3-worm flag can bring ?? You can tell from the answers that they will always have as much relevance as their comments and answers.

Isn't it quite a mess. They have nothing to contribute so they try to mess it up, and play with 50yr crap. What a stinking joke !!!
DavidPham
1. Point One, about a Multi-party system, I agree with you, that there should be as many political parties that are able to win any seats in the government.

2. I do not agree with you on the Buddhist Principles, Religion should not play a role in the future vietnamese government.

The main objective, is that ALL religions are respected and ALL holidays are respected for all religions.


3. Nguyen Cao Ky, is no longer respected by Vietnamese Exiles because he made the unilateral decision to return to Vietnam without first addressing Vietnamese Exiles about his thoughts prior to departing for Vietnam.

He not respected by Vietnamese Communists, they will not forgive him, for his actions as Prime Minister of South Vietnam, and will only use him as a tool.

Ly Tong has been working to free Vietnam for Communism only through Political messages, and he loves his country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ly_Tong
quocthaibinhan
If it is a “multi-party system”, it will be following the “middle way” anyway, that is the purpose of “multi-party system”,, and it will be difficult to ignore Buddhist principles in a “multi-party system” country where 80% or more are Buddhists, like it or not; if you ignore it, you will likely be bad, since Buddhist principles only ask that one tries to see what works and if it does not try something else. Not like others where they don’t care whether it works or not, the only thing is that they are getting the rewards does not matter who or how many suffer.

And similarly, when I say like it or not, I also mean respect it or not, you will have to admit that he (Cao Ky) hits home run two out of two: raising the issue that the 50yrs crap does not work and therefore should try something else (sounds familiar ??), and helping to better the people’s lives.

What does Ly Tong, although brave as he certainly is, do or any princes or princesses do, Masters or PhDs, but playing with the same 50yr crap that has never worked; it only messes things up further and cheapens any movements. Keep waving the 3-red stripes and it will only remind Vietnamese people of the 80 million toxic wastes, 3 times WWII bombs and 30 years from hell (although for 20 yrs it showed its ugly face), and no movement gets anywhere except getting some stupid laughs and for the same stinking joke.

I challenge anyone waving 3-worm flag to point out what I say does not make sense . !!!!! I can not help seeing those who waving 3-worm flag are some stupid clowns, Masters or PhDs or princesses or princes; waving 3-worm flag and you just playing with crap, 50yr crap.

Like I said, why do they play with 50yr crap because they are 3-worms, that is what they live on for 50yrs, that is their rewards. Nothing changes and they don’t want it to apparently.

Look at the flame below and tell me who started it and why it keeps burning !!!! It is because of the 50yr crap that feeding it. Remember what I said: it is an auto slaving machine with two kinds of greases: My nguy ngu and VC. To disable this slaving machine, you will have to start with My nguy ngu.
JimTungLe
quocthaibinhan,

I understand your point of view, but the National Flag designed by Emperor Bao Dai was the NOT the cause of the Buddhist Monk's death.

The Buddhist Monk was protesting the treatment of Buddhists by Ngo Dinh Diem.

The week Prior, the Catholics were allowed to have a parade and fly their Catholic flag and then the next week, when the Buddhist monks attempted to have their parade for their holiday their permit was refused and they were not allowed to fly their buddhist flag.

The Buddhist Monk that you have photographed above, did not sacrifice his life because of the National Flag that was designed by Emperor Bao Dai.

Now concerning Religious Support, future reference Prince Buu Chanh, has the Support of Various Religious Leaders and Vietnamese People.

Please view the various photographs that shows of support of important religious figures in the Vietnamese Community.


NOTE:


Prince Buu Chanh has the support of the Buddhist Religious Leaders, Catholics and Vietnamese Supporters.


Prince Buu Chanh presenting the Nguyen Dynasty Imperial Patent to Respected Buddhist Venerable Thuong Toa Thich Minh Tuyen.


Prince Buu Chanh and Buddhist Venerable Thich Quang The


Prince Buu Chanh solemnly citing the Sacred Holy Paragraph from the Dan Co (Sacred Foretelling Words) of "Mission of a Nation was chosen of Jesus Christ.


Prince Buu Chanh and Venerable Thich Giac Minh


The Temple carefully listening to Cao Dai Respected Venerable Giao Huu Ngoc Sach Thanh representing the great and solemn meaning and ideas of the Great Ceremony for the Cao Dai Founding and Opening Celebration Tam Ky Pho Do.


Respected Venerable Thuong Toa Thich Minh Tuyen and Prince Buu Chanh.
JimTungLe

Prince Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh and Princess Phan Lien and their daughter Princess Thuy with Archbishop John G. Vlazny of Portland, Oregon and Vietnamese-Americans, that support freedom, Liberty and Rights for the People of Vietnam



Venerable Thích Giác Minh and Prince Buu Chanh and his wife Princess Phan Lien and Mr. Timothy de Carmain-Perillos


Prince Regent Buu Chanh, Princess Phan Lien, and their children, taking souvenir pictures with Respected Buddhist Venerable Thich Minh Tuyen, Respected Venerable Hien Tai Nguyen Thanh Liem, Madame Marra Dieu Huong, maternal member of the Imperial Nguyen Dynasty, Mr. Le Van Ba, Advisor of Hoa Hao Buddhist Association and other Cao Dai and Hoa Hao Venerables .



Prince Buu Chanh and Princess Phan Lien celebrated solemn ceremony before the Altar of Quoc To Vong Tu Temple (National Worship Temple) in San Jose, CA.



Prince Buu Chanh poured down sacred liquor to pray before God and the Emperor and the Founder Hung Vuong for the Peace, Prosperity and Welfare to the Nation and People of Vietnam before the Altar of Quoc To Vong Tu Temple (National Worship Temple) in San Jose, CA., while Respected Cao Dai Venerable Hien Tai Nguyen Thanh Liem (in White Robe) prays along with the Prince.



Prince Buu Chanh and Princess Phan Lien pray before God and the Emperor and the Founder Hung Vuong for the Peace, Prosperity and Welfare to the Nation and People of Vietnam before the Altar of Quoc To Vong Tu Temple (National Worship Temple) in San Jose, CA.


Prince Buu Chanh and Princess Phan Lien with Venerable Thích Giác Minh
at the Welfare Praying Organizing Solemn Ceremonies for Religious Freedom in Vietnam.


Welfare Praying Organizing Solemn Ceremonies for Religious Freedom in Vietnam




Prince Buu Chanh speaking to the assembled Christian clergy and worshipers at Dong Duc Me Sau Bi in Portland, Oregon
JimTungLe

Buddhist Member Minh Phuc, Secretary to The Most Venerable Hoa Thuong Thich Giac Minh, Princess Phan Lien, Prince Buu Chanh, The Most Venerable Hoa Thuong Thich Giac Minh, and Contractor Builder for Vietnam War Memorial in Westminster, CA.


Prince Buu Chanh and Nguyen Dynasty officials in Washington D.C for ceremonies of the Hoa Hao Religion


Prince Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh speaking to Cao Dai religious leaders in California and Vietnamese American supporters


Prince Buu Chanh & Respected Senior Dignitaries from Thuy To Hung Vuong Temple



Prince Buu Chanh awards Westminster Vietnamese Councilman a Royal Vietnamese and American Flag friendship pin


Prince Buu Chanh and Princess Phan Lien of Vietnam official wreath laying Ceremony of The Imperial Nguyen Dynasty at the Vietnam War Memorial National Park in Washington D.C.
JimTungLe

Prince Buu Chanh and Princess Phan Lien of Vietnam official wreath laying Ceremony of The Imperial Nguyen Dynasty at the Vietnam War Memorial National Park in Washington D.C.


Prince Buu Chanh & Princess Phan Lien and Vietnamese supporters are led in prayer by Venerable Thích Giác Minh for the official wreath laying Ceremony of The Imperial Nguyen Dynasty at the Vietnam War Memorial National Park in Washington D.C.


Prince Buu Chanh and Princess Phan Lien, with their delegation, being welcomed by fellow Vietnamese Supporters at the airport in Seattle, Washington


Madame Dieu Huong Marra, Prince Buu Chanh, Madame Dong Thanh Ingalls and Lieutenant Colonel Nguyen Dong Thinh


Prince Nguyen Phuc Buu Chanh of Vietnam, the Head of the Delegation of the Vietnamese Constitutional Monarchist League and the Southeast Asia Imperial & Royal League delivered a speech at the Vietnamese Political World Conference on April 23, 1996, at the U.S. Senate, Washington, D.C., U.S.A.
quocthaibinhan
QUOTE (quocthaibinhan @ Feb 8 2005, 02:00 PM)
If it is a “multi-party system”, it will be following the “middle way” anyway, that is the purpose of “multi-party system”,, and it will be difficult to ignore Buddhist principles in a “multi-party system” country where 80% or more are Buddhists, like it or not; if you ignore it, you will likely be bad, since Buddhist principles only ask that one tries to see what works and if it does not try something else. Not like others where they don’t care whether it works or not, the only thing is that they are getting the rewards does not matter who or how many suffer.

And similarly, when I say like it or not, I also mean respect it or not, you will have to admit that he (Cao Ky) hits home run two out of two: raising the issue that the 50yrs crap does not work and therefore should try something else (sounds familiar ??), and helping to better the people’s lives.

What does Ly Tong, although brave as he certainly is, do or any princes or princesses do, Masters or PhDs, but playing with the same 50yr crap that has never worked; it only messes things up further and cheapens any movements. Keep waving the 3-red stripes and it will only remind Vietnamese people of the 80 million toxic wastes, 3 times WWII bombs and 30 years from hell (although for 20 yrs it showed its ugly face), and no movement gets anywhere except getting some stupid laughs and for the same stinking joke.

I challenge anyone waving 3-worm flag to point out what I say does not make sense . !!!!! I can not help seeing those who waving 3-worm flag are some stupid clowns, Masters or PhDs or princesses or princes; waving 3-worm flag and you just playing with crap, 50yr crap.

Like I said, why do they play with 50yr crap because they are 3-worms, that is what they live on for 50yrs, that is their rewards. Nothing changes and they don’t want it to apparently.

Look at the flame below and tell me who started it and why it keeps burning !!!! It is because of the 50yr crap that feeding it. Remember what I said: it is an auto slaving machine with two kinds of greases: My nguy ngu and VC. To disable this slaving machine, you will have to start with My nguy ngu.

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Does any of this make sense, because it does not seem like it does.

The bottom line is does not matter who created the flag, just as it does not matter who created the Nazis flag, it is what it stands for and always has been standing for.

And I don't respect or like anyone waving Nazis flag or 3-worm flag. I only ask what is the difference that they bring, that is not 50yr crap.

And if anyone waving 3-worm flag around, it will be like playing with 50yr crap, just as any freedom movements with the Nazis banner will be a stinking joke for some stupid clowns. How hard must they be laughing.

Get it !!!!
DavidPham
QUOTE (quocthaibinhan @ Feb 8 2005, 11:00 AM)
If it is a “multi-party system”, it will be following the “middle way” anyway, that is the purpose of “multi-party system”,, and it will be difficult to ignore Buddhist principles in a “multi-party system” country where 80% or more are Buddhists, like it or not; if you ignore it, you will likely be bad, since Buddhist principles only ask that one tries to see what works and if it does not try something else. Not like others where they don’t care whether it works or not, the only thing is that they are getting the rewards does not matter who or how many suffer. 
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I agree with you, but we must respect ALL religions, All National Holidays of all religions are given National Holidays for the country.


QUOTE (quocthaibinhan @ Feb 8 2005, 11:00 AM)
And similarly, when I say like it or not, I also mean respect it or not, you will have to admit that he (Cao Ky) hits home run two out of two: raising the issue that the 50yrs crap does not work and therefore should try something else (sounds familiar ??), and helping to better the people’s lives.  [/color]
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First, would you "stop" using the words "50 year old crap" lets keep this about the issues.

You can refrase your sentence about the "Former Regime of South Vietnam"

Now concerning Nguyen Cao Ky, he has made a "Big step forward", now

Lets see where the Communists "next time" is "going to be".

"When will" they attempt to move toward a "Democratic Elections" as "Prince Buu Chanh" has Publically announced for the "people of Vietnam" to chose "their government".

QUOTE (quocthaibinhan @ Feb 8 2005, 11:00 AM)
What does Ly Tong, although brave as he certainly is, do or any princes or princesses do, Masters or PhDs, but playing with the same 50yr crap that has never worked; it only messes things up further and cheapens any movements. Keep waving the 3-red stripes and it will only remind Vietnamese people of the 80 million toxic wastes, 3 times WWII bombs and 30 years from hell (although for 20 yrs it showed its ugly face), and no movement gets anywhere except getting some stupid laughs and for the same stinking joke.  [/color]
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The Former Veterans Association of the Army of the Republic of Vietnam has stand firmly to politically pressure for freedom of Vietnam and for Ly Tong with Prince Buu Chanh.

There have been wide public demontrations of support and it has been noticed by the media.

News- http://thaoha.free.fr/PrinceBuuChanh_RVNArmay.html

QUOTE (quocthaibinhan @ Feb 8 2005, 11:00 AM)
I challenge anyone waving 3-worm flag to point out what I say does not make sense . !!!!! I can not help seeing those who waving 3-worm flag are some stupid clowns, Masters or PhDs or princesses or princes; waving 3-worm flag and you just playing with crap, 50yr crap.

Like I said, why do they play with 50yr crap because they are 3-worms, that is what they live on for 50yrs, that is their rewards. Nothing changes and they don’t want it to apparently.

Look at the flame below and tell me who started it and why it keeps burning !!!! It is because of the 50yr crap that feeding it. Remember what I said: it is an auto slaving machine with two kinds of greases: My nguy ngu and VC. To disable this slaving machine, you will have to start with My nguy ngu. [/color]
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Again, would you "stop" using the words "50 year old crap" lets keep this about the issues.

You can refrase your sentence about the "Former Regime of South Vietnam"

Lets us cover all the issues here, on a level of proper words and frases that does not attack anyone negative.
quocthaibinhan
QUOTE (DavidPham @ Feb 8 2005, 08:16 PM)
First, would you "stop" using the words  "50 year old crap" lets keep this about the issues.


It is 50yrs old and it's as stink as crap, so I put it 50yr crap, get it. It was responsible for 80million toxic wastes, 3 times WWII bombs and 30yrs from never seen hell(20yrs it showed its ugly face), dividing the country and the creation of auto slaving machine with 2 kinds of greases: My nguy/3-worm to play with 50yr crap and VC to be the supreme rulers to keep it on automation with little input from the US. As I said, to stop this slaving machine you will have to start with 3-worms. Why can't those that say they fight for the freedom wave another flag, that is not like Nazis flag involved in never seen hell on earth. It is because they are 3-worm and they like to play with 50yr crap and they get rewards for this clowning act, otherwise they would have waving something else.

They must think Vietnamese people are so stupid. Waving the 3-worm flag and you must think so or help them to laugh harder
JimTungLe
QUOTE (quocthaibinhan @ Feb 8 2005, 07:44 PM)
Does any of this make sense, because it does not seem like it does.

The bottom line is does not matter who created the flag, just as it does not matter who created the Nazis flag, it is what it stands for and always has been standing for.

And I don't respect or like anyone waving Nazis flag or 3-worm flag. I only ask what is the difference that they bring, that is not 50yr crap.

And if anyone waving 3-worm flag around, it will be like playing with 50yr crap, just as any freedom movements with the Nazis banner will be a stinking joke for some stupid clowns. How hard must they be laughing.

Get it !!!!
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GET THIS RIGHT------------- FROM THE Encyclopedia

FACT: Right from a Encyclopedia

Encyclopedia definition of the Vietnamese Holocaust

committed by the Communist Regime of Vietnam.


Vietnamese Holocaust:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_Holocaust

REGISTRY OF DEATHS IN RE-EDUCATION CAMPS : http://www.vietmemorial.org/myweb/thelist.html

Please provide any reference that the National Flag of Vietnam is considered to the same level as the Nazi Flag.

Provide a Encyclopedia reference.

Also address there Religious Support you clearly can see and everyone else here in the photographs --------------above, -----------------------for Prince Buu Chanh to bring Democratic Elections and Human Rights to Vietnam.

Please provide some photographs of Religious Support in Vietnam ----------------FOR----------the Communist Government, with -----------------photographs------------- waving the Present (Communist) Flag of Vietnam.

Thank you,

Jim Tung Le


Prince Buu Chanh and Princess Phan Lien at the Welfare Praying Organizing Solemn Ceremonies for Religious Freedom in Vietnam.


Venerable Thích Giác Minh and Prince Buu Chanh and his wife Princess Phan Lien and Mr. Timothy de Carmain-Perillos


Prince Buu Chanh presenting the Nguyen Dynasty Imperial Patent to Giao Huu NGoc Sach Thanh.
quocthaibinhan
And the issue is about 50yr crap repeating itself and stinking up any movements for some stupid laughs and making Vietnamese people into fools, if you don't know it already
quocthaibinhan
QUOTE (JimTungLe @ Feb 8 2005, 08:35 PM)
GET THIS RIGHT------------- FROM THE Encyclopedia

FACT: Right from a Encyclopedia

Encyclopedia definition of the Vietnamese Holocaust

committed by the Communist Regime of Vietnam.


This is why it is so good My nguy ngu/3-worms are trying to worm they way out of 80million toxic wastes, 3 times WWII bombs, and 30 yr never seen hell
JimTungLe
QUOTE (quocthaibinhan @ Feb 8 2005, 08:38 PM)
And the issue is about 50yr crap repeating itself and stinking up any movements for some stupid laughs and making Vietnamese people into fools, if you don't know it already
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This is not for Stupid Laughs,

Here are some of the Supporters for the Communist Government of Vietnam for Religious Freedom.

I just wanted to help you out, and provided the photos for you.

Feel Free to copy down their names and do a Google or Yahoo Search, you will get the full details of their arrest.

The facts with photos, where do you have to say for yourself now quocthaibinhan ?











JimTungLe
QUOTE (quocthaibinhan @ Feb 8 2005, 08:43 PM)
This is why it is so good My nguy ngu/3-worms are trying to worm they way out of 80million toxic wastes, 3 times WWII bombs, and 30 yr never seen hell
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The Answer is here:

Vietnamese Holocaust:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_Holocaust

REGISTRY OF DEATHS IN RE-EDUCATION CAMPS :

http://www.vietmemorial.org/myweb/thelist.html
quocthaibinhan
If it is not for stupid laughs, then stop waving a flag resposible for 80 million toxic wastes, 3 times WWII bombs, and 30 yrs from hell. It can only stink any movements and turn everything into some stupid joke and cheapen the Vietnamese people for others to laugh at
JimTungLe
QUOTE (quocthaibinhan @ Feb 8 2005, 08:58 PM)
If it is not for stupid laughs, then stop waving a flag resposible for 80 million toxic wastes, 3 times WWII bombs, and 30 yrs from hell. It can only stink any movements and turn everything into some stupid joke and cheapen the Vietnamese people for others to laugh at
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This is not for Stupid Laughs,

Here are some of the Supporters for the Communist Government of Vietnam for Religious Freedom.

I just wanted to help you out, and provided the photos for you.

Feel Free to copy down their names and do a Google or Yahoo Search, you will get the full details of their arrest.

The facts with photos, where do you have to say for yourself now quocthaibinhan ?











quocthaibinhan
QUOTE (JimTungLe @ Feb 8 2005, 08:45 PM)
QUOTE (quocthaibinhan @ Feb 8 2005, 08:38 PM)
And the issue is about 50yr crap repeating itself and stinking up any movements for some stupid laughs and making Vietnamese people into fools, if you don't know it already
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This is not for Stupid Laughs,

Here are some of the Supporters for the Communist Government of Vietnam for Religious Freedom.

I just wanted to help you out, and provided the photos for you.



QUOTE (JimTungLe @ Feb 8 2005, 09:06 PM)
QUOTE (quocthaibinhan @ Feb 8 2005, 08:58 PM)
If it is not for stupid laughs, then stop waving a flag resposible for 80 million toxic wastes, 3 times WWII bombs, and 30 yrs from hell. It can only stink any movements and turn everything into some stupid joke and cheapen the Vietnamese people for others to laugh at
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This is not for Stupid Laughs,

Here are some of the Supporters for the Communist Government of Vietnam for Religious Freedom.

I just wanted to help you out, and provided the photos for you.


If it is not obvious that it is for stupid laughs, it is now. See how you keep repeating the same thing back and going around and around the same thing. As I have said it is not some stinking joke until My nguy ngu touch it, then it becomes 50yr crap. Just as trying to blame everything on VC is a 50yr trick/crap. See how old it is and why it cheapens everything. My nguy started the whole thing and VC is just keeping it on automation. And My nguy ngu is trying to pin everything on VC is just a 50yr trick/crap, get it. Of course you will never get it.

It is a worm thing !!!
quocthaibinhan
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JimTungLe
Prince Buu Chanh will continue to struggle with the Vietnamese people to bring a Democratic government to Vietnam.

Where as many political parties can campaign to be voted by the people of Vietnam.

Prince Buu Chanh and the Vietnamese people want Human Rights and Democracy for Vietnam.


Buddhist Member Minh Phuc, Secretary to The Most Venerable Hoa Thuong Thich Giac Minh, Princess Phan Lien, Prince Buu Chanh, and Contractor Builder for Vietnam War Memorial in Westminster, CA.


Prince Buu Chanh supports Freedom for Vietnam


Prince Buu Chanh supports Freedom for Vietnam


Prince Buu Chanh supports Freedom for Vietnam at the New York City Parade
quocthaibinhan
QUOTE (JimTungLe @ Feb 9 2005, 04:06 PM)
Prince Buu Chanh will continue to struggle with the Vietnamese people to bring a Democratic government to Vietnam.

Where as many political parties can campaign to be voted by the people of Vietnam.

Prince Buu Chanh and the Vietnamese people want Human Rights and Democracy for Vietnam.


See how quickly you keep repeating the same thing and it is just 50yrs old. How will My nguy ngu survive in a real democratic environment. It knows it can't ; the best it can hope is to clown around for some cheap joke/reward. This is how I see it since I see no difference between now and the 50yr crap/clown: it can only cheapen any movement make our people into some laughing stock.
JimTungLe
QUOTE (quocthaibinhan @ Feb 9 2005, 10:08 PM)
See how quickly you keep repeating the same thing and it is just 50yrs old. How will My nguy ngu survive in a real democratic environment. It knows it can't ; the best it can hope is to clown around for some cheap joke/reward. This is how I see it since I see no difference between now and the 50yr crap/clown: it can only cheapen any movement make our people into some laughing stock.
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Listen, quocthaibinhan,

Everyone here is allowed to provide their opinion.

I know we both want a bright future for our country, you have provided you opinion and your goals for our country.

I on the otherhand, have provided information and photographs of support for Prince Buu Chanh to bring democracy for Vietnam.

When you use words as "cheap joke/reward" and "50yr crap/clown" this only causes division.

During any election there must be positive debating by both sides.

You stated above:

QUOTE (quocthaibinhan @ Feb 9 2005, 10:08 PM)
  How will My nguy ngu survive in a real democratic environment. It knows it can't ; the best it can hope is to clown around for some cheap joke/reward. 
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I agree with you, lets us both pressure the government of Vietnam, POLITICALLY and bring democracy to Vietnam, where as many political parties can campaign and be chosen by the People.


It has succeeded in Cambodia, where there was a Communist Government that had absolute power and there was an election, the people chose a government that was a Constitutional Monarchy and Re-Elected --TWICE--- Prime Minister Hun Sen is currently in power and he is a member of the Communist Party.

Also Spain has a Constitutional Monarchy and their current Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero is a Socialist Party member.

Communism and Democracy with Multi-Party system can survive the Communist Vietnamese should not worry about losing Power.

Just leave it in the hands of the People, and if you are doing a good job--------

You will be Re-Elected.


Can we agree on these Points ?
herosword
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The Buddhist Monk was protesting the treatment of Buddhists by Ngo Dinh Diem.

The week Prior, the Catholics were allowed to have a parade and fly their Catholic flag and then the next week, when the Buddhist monks attempted to have their parade for their holiday their permit was refused and they were not allowed to fly their buddhist flag.

The Buddhist Monk that you have photographed above, did not sacrifice his life because of the National Flag that was designed by Emperor Bao Dai.


Did anyone read my response to this the immolation in the topic Remeber this Picture? The same religious rights that this monk was protesting for, is now completely taken away. This monk's religiously order is currently banned in Communist Vietnam. The head abbot is in jail. And when they try to pull the immolation stuff again, the militant arms of the communists just broke up the protest and threw everyone in jail. Sucks to say, but religious rights in Vietnam is worst now under the Communist government even after 30 years of peace.

I don't understand exactly how Diem was biased against Buddhist. I just heard lots of Buddhist didn't like him, but I never got any specifics on why? Someone clarify. Diem wasn't perfect, but damn it, he was the strongest leaders South Vietnam had. He was resolute in his determination to crush communism. He held the country together while the other leaders after him: "Big" Minh, Tieu couldn't. With regards to Diem authoritarian lending, we were in a war. Even during the American Civil War the writ of habeus corpus (trial was taken away) by Abraham Lincoln. Victory first then civil liberties later. South Korea's president was even more authotorian and corrupt than Diem, yet look at where their country is now once peace was allowed to reign. But this is dwelling too much on the past, we need to focus on the future.

Multi-party system: too complex; disagreements; less stable than two party systems; but the type of party it will be will not be determine or neatly planned by any OF US but rather by uncontrollable societal factors. I would perfer a two-party system but considering the situation right now, if Vietnam ever becomes a democracy what you most likely will have multi-party system. You'll have the communist party, republicans (this might be divisive), socialist, and maybe even monarchists. There haven't been many Two-Party system emulated elsewhere except in America, and the development of two-party system wasn't even intended. American two-party system developed from it unique political climates and the fact that during the writing of the American Constitution you had American society divide itself into two fractions: The Federalists (those who support the Constitution) and the Anti-Federalist (those who perfer a conferation and opposed the Constitution). The was the beginning of the two party system in the US.

As for the type of system: a Parliamentry-Presidential system; If within Parliament a consesus can be formed and a coalition government built, then executive power would be vested within the legislative body under the leadership of the prime minister. In those instances the President becomes a mere figure-head and top diplomat. However, if divisions occurs and parliament prove unable to built a coalition government that represents the interest of most vietnamese then you have defacto presidentialism. The President takes the executive power and appoints the prime minister. Then what we would have is strong President much like the US President. This scheme would help to avoid deadlock within government and provide incentives for the various conflicting party to work together to form coalition government to avoid de facto presidentialism.

Anyhow, Jim Tung Le, just one suggestion. I noticed you post a lot of pictures of the Prince and his family. While I respect him, it doesn't help to post the same pictures over and over again. It might in fact annoy many people, and cause them not to take you seriously. Sometimes pressing a claim to vigorously can turn people off.
JimTungLe
herosword
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I don't understand exactly how Diem was biased against Buddhist. I just heard lots of Buddhist didn't like him, but I never got any specifics on why? Someone clarify.



To understand more about Ngo Dinh Diem and the Buddhist suppression:

http://ngothelinh.150m.com/Buddhist_flag_U...p_Generals.html

Also the influence of his family played a role in the situation.

Ngo Dinh Nhu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngo_Dinh_Nhu

Madame Nhu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Ngo_Dinh_Nhu

JFK and the Diem Coup: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/index.htm
quocthaibinhan
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Madame Nhu was said to be called the "Dragon Lady" because she said she would "clap hands at seeing another monk barbecue show." (She was referring to the Buddhist monks who poured flammable liquids over themselves and meditated calmly while burning themselves to death).

When Madame Nhu learned of the coup d'etat she immediately suspected the United States saying, "Whoever has the Americans as allies does not need enemies".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Ngo_Dinh_Nhu


It does not hurt to do your own research before forming an opinion, instead of giving some baseless points.

The above sums up how Ngo’s regime view Buddhists and the relation with US: they viewed Buddhists as VC and the protests where monks burned themselves as nothing more than entertainments.


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Anyhow, Jim Tung Le, just one suggestion. I noticed you post a lot of pictures of the Prince and his family. While I respect him, it doesn't help to post the same pictures over and over again. It might in fact annoy many people, and cause them not to take you seriously. Sometimes pressing a claim to vigorously can turn people off.


This part at least I agree


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know we both want a bright future for our country, you have provided you opinion and your goals for our country.

I on the otherhand, have provided information and photographs of support for Prince Buu Chanh to bring democracy for Vietnam.

When you use words as "cheap joke/reward" and "50yr crap/clown" this only causes division.

During any election there must be positive debating by both sides.


I agree with you, lets us both pressure the government of Vietnam, POLITICALLY and bring democracy to Vietnam, where as many political parties can campaign and be chosen by the People.

….. Communism and Democracy with Multi-Party system can survive the Communist Vietnamese should not worry about losing Power.


Get used to these words; in a democratic society, you will hear many similar words, a lot of questions, criticisms, and ridicules, go and listen to some parliamentary debate and you will understand.

At the presence, VCs have nothing to fear, as it is 50yr old routine; it has only proven that it has succeeded in helping VCs and tarnished everything it touched. You want to pressure VCs’ government, as every government needs pressure or it will corrupt, then stop waving 50yr crap. It can only turn everything into some stupid joke and cheapen our people and turn every movement into 50yr crap, nothing changes.


Ask your princesses and princes and heros and people who back 3-worm to stop and read what I have said, see if they have any rebuttals, or just continue with the same 50yr routine and turn everything into some stupid jokes for some cheap rewards
quocthaibinhan
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Madame Nhu was said to be called the "Dragon Lady" because she said she would "clap hands at seeing another monk barbecue show." (She was referring to the Buddhist monks who poured flammable liquids over themselves and meditated calmly while burning themselves to death).

When Madame Nhu learned of the coup d'etat she immediately suspected the United States saying, "Whoever has the Americans as allies does not need enemies".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Ngo_Dinh_Nhu


Is it just an incident that more than 10yrs later Thieu repeated the similar thing in 1975 and said: “US has stabbed us in the back”.

So which leaders of My nguy ngu are left. Bao Dai turned himself into a playboy, Ngo got a present they called it a bullet in the head, Thieu cried betrayal and then remained silenced, Cao Ky tried a new method and told My nguy ngu that “ they are a bunch of minority that can not do anything”, of course I would add, but clown around a play with 50yr crap.

So which leaders are left with My nguy ngu that are worthy of respect but those that “can not do anything”, but clown around and play with 50yr crap.

And why should VCs afraid again , afraid of 50yr crap ??????
herosword
haha...an idiot is telling me how to do research. Hhaha....have you ever done research in YOUR life because your points are not only baseless they're to the point of senility. NOTICE WHY I rarely address any of your points. I don't talk to idiots. It's a waste of my valuble times.
quocthaibinhan
QUOTE (herosword @ Feb 10 2005, 05:20 PM)
haha...an idiot is telling me how to do research. Hhaha....have you ever done research in YOUR life because your points are not only baseless they're to the point of senility.   NOTICE WHY I rarely address any of your points.  I don't talk to idiots.  It's a waste of my valuble times.
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This guy must be talking to himself then. Is there anything new, a guy to this day does not know what Ngo's regime was all about and why buddhist monks were protesting. Does not it sound like a joke, yet he is mouthing off, probably does not understand the word baseless.

They have no points to say which are baseless so they make some stupid and baseless insults, what is new !!!!! but rather old and pathetic !!!! again what is new !!!
quocthaibinhan
QUOTE (herosword @ Feb 10 2005, 05:20 PM)
...   NOTICE WHY I rarely address any of your points.  I don't talk to idiots.  It's a waste of my valuble times.
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I got to say I feel sorry for these guys who are just waiting for spoon feeding; they can not come up with anything of their own.

It should say: "I rarely have any sensible point to make" so he jut mouths it off anyway.

As I have asked, is there anything I say does not make sense. Nothing for you pathetic souls to nitpick is there !!!

Let it be a lesson to all idiots. Be gone if there is nothing sensible to say, or factual. Only crawl out when you can nitpick, ok, or spoon feeding time.
quocthaibinhan
QUOTE (quocthaibinhan @ Feb 10 2005, 05:05 PM)
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Madame Nhu was said to be called the "Dragon Lady" because she said she would "clap hands at seeing another monk barbecue show." (She was referring to the Buddhist monks who poured flammable liquids over themselves and meditated calmly while burning themselves to death).

When Madame Nhu learned of the coup d'etat she immediately suspected the United States saying, "Whoever has the Americans as allies does not need enemies".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Ngo_Dinh_Nhu


Is it just an incident that more than 10yrs later Thieu repeated the similar thing in 1975 and said: “US has stabbed us in the back”.

So which leaders of My nguy ngu are left. Bao Dai turned himself into a playboy, Ngo got a present they called it a bullet in the head, Thieu cried betrayal and then remained silenced, Cao Ky tried a new method and told My nguy ngu that “ they are a bunch of minority that can not do anything”, of course I would add, but clown around a play with 50yr crap.

So which leaders are left with My nguy ngu that are worthy of respect but those that “can not do anything”, but clown around and play with 50yr crap.

And why should VCs afraid again , afraid of 50yr crap ??????

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Anyone who waves 3-worm flag around got any rebuttals.

And as to the two party-system, just imagine two party-system with My nguy ngus and VCs, very stable: My nguy ngus started it, VCs just keep it on automation.

THIS IS WHY WE NEED MORE THAN TWO PARTIES TO BREAK THE DEAD-LOCK
soro_i
hmmm... kinda interesting icon_wink.gif

Seem like most of you based your perception about the war and current govt in Vietnam on alot of very reliable sources... (ie... uncles, aunts, cousins, mom, dad, grands and the most reliable of them all... friends and neighbors and not to be left-out that old guy. biggrin.gif )

well... let me share one of my source about the war. I don't know if it's reliable or not icon_sad.gif but the US Govt based their policies on it. It's called "The Pentagon Papers" - is Top Secret document that was smuggled out and published in New York Times back in 1971. Prez Nixon tried to stop the publication but the Supreme Court ruled that stopping publication violated First Amendment protections.

Here is the link "The Pentagon Papers"

i don't have any vietnamese translation icon_sad.gif ...but I hope it helps biggthumpup.gif
Heavenandearth
Pentagon paper, is that too a good source. ???
dolongdao
quocthaibinhan - i like how ur so active and all but...just tone it down we all know ur stance and spiel by heart now no need to be repetitive

those pictures of the viet prince or w/e just makes me sad
its like they are holding on to mere ashes of something already consumed by a conflagration
LastLegend
There is a lot of propaganda been going around. Be mindful.
kpham001
First of all, quocthaibinan, I don't personally hate you, but you are very rude to others people religion and belief. You must have been very ignorance because you sure don't know how to write proper standard english so that everyone can understand what you are saying. I am not very active as a member on AF, but after reading you posting every time, I got very tire trying to understand you and your hatred for the "3 worm flag". Everyone know that you are lening toward the current communist party regime in Vietnam for whatever reason (maybe your family is a party member or relative of one), but you must respect other on this forum. Even though I am a nationalist, I am not rude toward other people on this forum or anywhere that I meet because as Vietnamese, we are brother and sister. We might disagree with each other but we still share a common history and culture. There are Vietnamese on this forum who have both political standing, but we respect each other. I would like to ask you from now on to respect the view of other people whether you agree with them or not.
quocthaibinhan
QUOTE (quocthaibinhan @ Oct 28 2005, 10:25 PM)
QUOTE (kpham001 @ Oct 28 2005, 03:29 AM)
First of all, quocthaibinhan, I don't personally hate you, but you are very rude to others people religion and belief. You must have been very ignorance because you sure don't know how to write proper standard english so that everyone can understand what you are saying. I am not very active as a member on AF, but after reading you posting every time, I got very tire trying to understand you and your hatred for the "3 worm flag". Everyone know that you are lening toward the current communist party regime in Vietnam for whatever reason (maybe your family is a party member or relative of one), but you must respect other on this forum. Even though I am a nationalist, I am not rude toward other people on this forum or anywhere that I meet because as Vietnamese, we are brother and sister. We might disagree with each other but we still share a common history and culture. There are Vietnamese on this forum who have both political standing, but we respect each other. I would like to ask you from now on to respect the view of other people whether you agree with them or not.
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Wow, another thread about me. Ain't I am Mr popular. Hahaha

But this is just the same old stinking crap, that I have flushed and flushed and since all the old guards are basically quiet, only left with a few newbies to entertain and repeat the same stinking crap.

Let me play with your crap for while:

1) They usually attack my English after they have exhausted everything. They will say they don't understand. Very funny stuff. It is even more funny when their English is obviously more crap.

2) They will call me a VC. How stupid are they!!!

3) They will ask me to respect what is stupid, stinking crap and they will call themselves nationalists, meaning 3 red lashes in Yellow crap.

Normally, they will use one or two, but to use all together, that got to be some good crap, or they think. Hahaha

Get this newbies, since the old crappy guards have crawled back to their holes, I am here to flush crap. If you don't speak crap, you don't get flushed. It does not matter to me whether you are left or right. It is not about policies, politics. It is all about what crap you got and baby you have got it all. Haven't you. ????

Respect stupidity and stinking crap all you want and cry all you want, baby, because I am just playing crap with you. Hahaha -laùgh

Just so you not think you are the only one:

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...pic=47777&st=60

and

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...pic=47660&st=60

Anymore crap you want to play with me???
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Ah, the same crap here too!!!

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=49364
Suijen
So Qu guy, what do you stand for?
quocthaibinhan
QUOTE (Suijen @ Oct 28 2005, 10:28 PM)
So Qu guy, what do you stand for?
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Why are you so slow: I stand to play crap with crappy ones.

Are you one??? (If you are let me know then I will you a nick, sewergerm, for everyone who plays this game will be called by their truer names - U can try to see if you can get mine if you like, just don't try VC. That is too stupid)
Suijen
No, I just want to know where you stand amongst all this.
Heavenandearth
read his many posts stupid germ!!!!
quocthaibinhan
QUOTE (Heavenandearth @ Oct 28 2005, 10:36 PM)
read his many posts stupid germ!!!!
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I got this stupid snail!!!

Group: Members
Posts: 11,160
Joined: 15-June 05

Judging from the number of posts you've done, those got to be similar stupidity, right. ???
Viety Cent
^ Retarded Kids embarassedlaugh.gif
quocthaibinhan


One sicko, not much fun to play with them. They don't usually have much to say but one or two same stupid lines.
Viety Cent
like ur one to talk sure.gif
quocthaibinhan
You are too easy and lame sicko!!!!
quocthaibinhan
dd
Viety Cent
im one sick son of a b!tch but Iam hot as hell too biggthumpup.gif
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