http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14772834

this is sad...my support goes out to all the korean people who are sensible enough for seeking to avoid the catastrophic disaster that the south kroean government (no doubt bribed and blackmailed by the US) are trying to hurtle their country into.

i hope the korean government will just remember this: make sure to keep ur war games to urselves. don't let any of the stray missiles cross the yalu river or the chinese eez to disrupt the harmony of peace-loving chinese society. u are welcomed to continue to spread ur legs to america and kill each other and waste money on preparing for hypothetical imaginative wars, but just leave china out of this PLEASE. i don't want china to have anything to do with korea.

The U.S. military is in command of the South Korea military during war-time...

It's not really their choice to build a base or not, America is controlling their military...

Same reason why so many Japanese Prime Ministers came in and out, because each successive Japanese PM couldn't fight and move the Okinawa base - US wouldn't budge, and the Japanese PM got kicked out because of it.

precisely. and they aren't going to relinquish this tight control any time soon, sadly enough. i guess the koreans and japanese simply have no choice then but to satisfy america's wishes.


The weak suffer what they must, the strong do what they can
-Thucydides

as far as i know, this isn't an american naval base.

didn't china build a naval base on an island in the south china sea? by your reasoning someone bribed them to do that.

NIMBY

yea. as far as YOU are concerned it's not american LOL. but as far as truth is concerned, US works in surreptitious ways. they would NEVER blatantly ask for a naval base on that island. they're not that stupid. they certainly wouldn't want to to raise the suspicion of the korean people by doing so. also they have a tendency to use proxies. why? because they are disposable. if they weren't they would have just colonized like they did with guam, hawaii, puerto rico etc. but seeing that war will engulf korea soon and that japan has a problem of earthquakes, and that both little resources, they've decided not to take this step. but they will, if koreans come to their senses and regional war becomes an unforseeable dream.

it's time u wake up from ur dreamland. this is reality. every nation will do anything to expand and benefit their OWN national interests. that's just basic instinct. it's like eating or having sex to gratify oneself. would u do these things for the pleasure of someone other than urself??? to think that US would serve other countries' interests is just insane. WHY on earth would US work for korea's interest? for japan's interests? or for taiwan's? don't suppose that US fought the korean war for democracy or humanity. they did it because they believed there was going to be a net return. nothing is free in life. there is a price u have to pay for everything and the US will make sure to milk out korea for all its worth. this is just common sense but i guess even that's been eroded away by years of US media propaganda.

See, you're just speculating. It's time for you to wake up from dreamland.

The naval base is for South Korea's strategic fleet.

LOL. How does the US benefit from building a naval port here, when they have locations in Japan, Guam, Hawawii, etc?
This is strictly for the South Korean navy to check not just North Korea, but also to protect Korean waters from encroaches by neighboring countries which has been stepping up lately. The plan is also bring more tourism to Jeju by building a dock that would accommodate stops by floating hotel cruise ships. This is actually a very good sensible move, but I do understand the Jeju Island's concerns that it doesn't want the island to turn into any military base.

these aren't speculations. these are self-evident truths any decent observer would conclude. u can't always take things for granted and look only at the surface. if u want to know the truth, u have to stop and think a little bit. think holistically and objectively like me. delve into the very psychology behind every action. put urself in america's shoes, in china's shoes, or wherever and ask urself this "why?" "why did they do this?" the problem with u all is that u always think about korea. u only think about south korea and being the appalling simpletons that u are don't even bother to try to go anything beyond or deeper than "oh they attacked us. evil north korea!" u never even dare to venture to guess on what might be going on inside people's mind in washington or the pentagon. this is why ur government can't make wise decisions. they are self-centered and blindly absorbed with what's only immediately in front of them, oblivious to the bigger picture. and they are always carried away by the heat of events and useless emotions. america understands this weakness very well and they have taken advantage of it superbly. i can't deny that americans are smart and that they have unrivalled tactical skill. that is why they are a superpower. they think and calculate with a cool head.

this is not speculations either. like i say over and again, nothing can be more catastrophic than denial.

You have not answered my question, how does the US supposedly benefit from having a naval base here, when they already have one right across the water?

tourism my @$$ LOL it will drive away tourism more like, especially the chinese. even the native inhabitants can't take the crap in okinawa! and are u so ignorant to the fact that this base will destroy the environment like the reefs? i can't believe the stupidity of what u just said. oh but if u consider hungry or horny opportunistic american GI's as tourists then ok i guess u have a point.

and in case u haven't noticed, jeju island is closer to china than japan, guam or hawaii. MUCH closer. therein lies the raison d'etre of this pathetic plan.

and don't play the north korea card. it won't work this time cuz that island is nowhere near north korea. ur target is china. nothing can be more obvious. even pimrary school children could guess this by simply looking at the map.


since u are so insistent on this 10 year old question...it's obvious isn't it? to throttle china's sea lanes. it's the same strategy as it was with japan. threaten the oil supply to aggravate. but also jeju is a perfect base from which to attack china's mainland directly, especially the economically robust eastern seaboard in the even of a war (yes US is itching pretty badly to level shanghai. i daresay they are having wet dreams about it). it's in an extremely strategic location. i bet the americans are laughing their heads off in triumph in pentagon at this very instant...

You still have not answered my question, how does the US benefit from having another base on Jeju, when they already have one in the region?
And you're utterly wrong. Jeju is much more closer geographically to Japan, than China. And Korea has the US military ground base, right inside Seoul, and it hasn't effected Chinese tourism at all. So what are you talking about?

refer to my earlier post



well that was a really thick of u.
jeju is closer to china than japan is to china (sigh)

i'm done with u. wasting my time with stupid questions. but what else can u add when my argument is sound and undefeatable..

A massive fleet of warships can be a beautiful sight too. Especially when you're being attacked.

US Navy has a base in Hawaii, to my last knowledge, it had zero effect on tourism. Unfortunately, our neighbors, historically have acted like vultures on minced meat regarding Korea. And their attitudes haven't changed much. This base is an insurance policy for the day when the US military leaves Korea. We don't want the vultures freely picking on us again without a proper fight, especially considering that Korea has disputes with Japan and China over couple of rocky islands. Up to now, there is nothing Korea can do militarily if either Japan or China decides to take them by force, because the South Korean navy and air force is too far way to respond effectively.

nooooooo

Jeju is a big island. A naval base is not going to pollute the landscape, and it will be well away from the view. Nobody would even notice it is there. Unfortunately the usual North Korean sympathizers are using the Juju islander's concerns (they have the right to be concerned) for them to exploit and create a chasm. Then they come up with this beauty of a conspiracy theory, that it's the US behind it all and spreading lies like that. I'm getting sick of their fear mongering tactics.

America's imperialist agenda is to use proxy (ie. pawns) like S. Korea, Taiwan, and Japan to contain the rise of China.

However, even S. Korea knows China will exist (fragmented or foreign subjugated or not...) in the regional 1000 years from now, but America's long term presence in East Asia is uncertain and pretty much unknown with excessive indebtness, slow economic growth, and unmanagable overseas committments in wars abroad, the most recent of which is Libya.

A formal anti-China alliance between S. Korea and US is simply a no-no at this point.

An even worse position is weakness in relation to surrounding countries.

it doesn't really matter to me whether or not the US puts battleships in Jeju Island. Seriously, what are Koreans going to do about it? Northing.

Regarding why how the US would benefit from moving its naval fleet to Jeju is really simple to understand. More mobility, more strategic mobility, logistics wise, against The East Asian chessboard. There is China, Russia, Laos, Vietnam.

Any of these nations could be potential threats to US East Asian Interests in the 21st century.

But, don't worry too much about this issue, in particular, regarding US military praetoriums in East Asia. Seriously, what are the so called altaic Koreans and Japanese going to do about a superpower like the United States. That's right nothing.

we mustn't put too much faith in the supposed delusion that america is a declining power simply because of its unsustainable debt. the real power of the mighty USA lies in the military and its strategic mindset. if they somehow start a war in east asia that would involve china and give them an excuse to hurl china back into stone age then they won't have to worry about their debts anymore.

in all probability, this constant media coverage on US debt and it's economic problems (and conversely on china's rise) is just another scheme to put china in a complacent state. they are deliberately trying to stoke china's pride and arrogance so they will behave more agressively or do something stupid and make more enemies out of it's neighbours. but at the same time they hide their own strengths to disarm fear and suspicion around the world. it's classic

I find it interesting that an Iranian, who has never lived in Korea, is so interested in what Koreans MUST do.

OP, why not leave this up to Koreans, the people living their, and their representatives?

oh no. koreans have every right to do as they wish. if they want to continue to be used (or shall i say abused) by america, they are wlecomed to do so. it's none of my business frankly (and evidently none of urs either). i am merely expressing my observations on what CAN'T be helped. just giving an eye-opener for other fellow asian members, especially the chinese, to be aware of the situation.

also i am giving the koreans a fair warning: u can do as u please with the fate of ur own country. that is ur national sovereignty and u have the right to do anything to urselves, to kill urselves, to sell urselves to foreign powers etc. BUT u do not have the right to try to disturb the peace and harmony and independence that other nations enjoy like china. in other words, leave china alone. leave japan alone. just make sure u keep everything between u, north korea and america.

hahahaha

Seriously?

This is all about China? You've finally come out... your focus on posting in K-Chat has a motive EVERYONE has seen the whole time - you're all about caring for China.

You don't give a toss about Korea. You've got nothing to do with Korea - you're simply here to promote China's interests.



This is so fooking funny.

this jeju base has everything to do with china. perhaps u are oblivious to the fact that china is a neighbour of korea, unlike canada?? u really have no relevance in this chat, i'm sorry

no big deal.....just one more target to get bombed when the big war breaks out......lmao

i think this is all imaginary. china is not stupid enough to go to war over korea, seriously. china cares more about africa, latin america, siberia, places with resources. but sadly koreans believe that china wants to absorb or invade korea. LOL this is just a mad delusion. nothing can be farther from the truth than this. china won't invade korea even if u PAID them to do it. in fact THEY will pay the koreans to keep the hell away from china like they are doing with north korea right now. seriously, china is proabbly so fed up with anti-chinese sentiment and the white-worshipping insanity that goes on in korea and japan they proabbly don't want anything to do with them anymore.

Yes, but that extra bombing run could cost us a battle somewhere else and even a war... this is indeed a wise move by the South Koreans
It just makes it that much harder for us to intimidate them.

exactly. that's why it's not worth it. just ignore korea and make sure they don't touch china's territories and waters. just let them whatever they want. china, unlike america, respects other countries' sovereignty

ITS FOR YALL OWN PROTECTION!!!! DAMN!

Right, I live in Korea and vote here. It is my business so much as it is anyone's business if they are on the peninsula. If the gov of the ROK needs to put a base there, they need to put a base there.

Personally, I think putting military bases outside of the range of Northern artillery makes sense.




But again we come to the same point... You're an Iranian not living anywhere close to the place. How the fu-k is it any of your business?

sorry, but what concerns korea is really none of ur business. CANADA and ur lovely neighbour AMERICA are your concerns.

putting military bases outside north korean artillery range and putting vast numbers of civilians (half of korea's population lives in seoul) well within the artillery range..um...makes sense...yea, what a marvelous idea. on a serious note, u are basically admitting that this base has nothing to do with north korea because it's out of range. thanks for proving my point and embarassing urself at the same time.

YOU keep going back to the same point. i've presented my argument on this and have moved on

Ouch........A Canadian is talkin.......

Where do I live?

Where do I work?

Where do I pay taxes?

Where do I vote?

Now... Tell me again how this concerns you more than me?

As for your ignorance about Korea... Do you honestly think the ROK "put" Seoul within artillery range!? Seriously??

u keep repeating that nonsensical logic of urs. but maybe my counter-argument wasn't clear enough for u. too difficult isn't it? ok then i'll put it this way. ANYONE can come to korea, live there, work, pay taxes and then delude himself into thinking that he is part of korean society or that he has a say in korean matters. and what's worse, u don't even contribute anything logical or benefical for koreans to hear or read, so in effect u have no concern with korea. whatever u might feel, that's all imgained and going on inside ur head. as for me, i at least redeem myself with decent line of arguments and genuine interests.

Yes Captain Canada is not Korean. And he just took one wife away from a potential KOrean man. Just because you live in Korea, pay taxes, does not mean you belong to the Korean peninsula. It is only because the US and the United Nations
decided to interject their forces into the former Joseon Kingdom that allowed an opportunist like Captain Canada to live there in the first place.



Korea shared a close lineage with Manchuria, which predates over a few thousand years. Our lineage with Manchus were and are stronger than China ever had with Manchus. Today in 2011, it is a crying shame to see Manchus and JOseonjok, continue to lose their identity and bloodline to Communist China. Communist China reigns supreme over the Manchu land, the milk has been spilt. It is too late to get angry over the 19th and 20th century Manchu chronicles, it's history. You China, Mao Tse Dong, be damned, for what his dirty hands acquired in the 1950's.



Furthermore, It is a tragedy to see beautiful Altaic Manchus dirty their blood with South East Asian Chinese though.
Yang Mi(Obviously of manchu or Mongolian Origin)


And her soiling her blood with Feng Shao Feng(South east Asian)

u gotta be thankful on bended knees that it wasn't a western or non-east asian power that took manchuria or those ethnic koreans. and u speak of manchus soiling their blood by marrying han chinese. how does that compare with koreans soiling their blood by marrying white men, who are not even asian and who are utterly unrelated?? i find it really amusing that koreans believe that their blood is tainted when they marry other asians, but feel special when they marry white men...sad

also manchu is chinese. period. although northern chinese are very similar to korean and japanese, manchus are closer to han chinese and mongolian than they are to korean. so don't pretend that u care about them. northern chinese has more altaic blood. just consider that all the alatic elements that korea has right now had to pass through china.

LMAO. All I can say. Sorry, Feng blows the majority of the korean population out of the water.

I give perspectives and opinions based on observations IN Korea.

You learn about things on the 'net



You may think that your observations run true, yet I'm constantly pointing out how they do not mesh with the reality in Korea. If you lived here, you'd quickly figure that out.

Not this craps again....Why do Korean nationalist always love to masturbate with us Manchus? We are not losing our identity and culture. It's you South Koreans who are losing your culture and identity to the dominant Western culture. Just check a few Kpop MVs....Do you see any Koreaniness in them? LMAO

that's how US gov't are...having korean gov't or anyt other gov't different country sell their people out.
time to remove them.

exactly. china actually protects its minority cultures far more than korea protects its own.




there is a woeful lack of public spirit and patriotism (not nationalism) in east asia. everyone is concerned about his own selfish gains, and don't give a squat about the welfare of his country. the west understands this critical weakness.

That is true Korea has lost its culture, that can not be argued. I honestly doubt you are Manchu, since they are far and few between nowadays.

Fact remains , is that Inter-racial blood mixing is Erasing the last vestiges of the pure Manchu race. Joseonjok are close genetically to Manchus, are also being genetically wiped out by Chinese assimilation.

Lately, The Joseonjok community is starting to diminish in rapid number to the Communist Chinese. In Yanbian, Korean schools are closing. distorted Chinese history is confusing and brainwashing Korean people. They actually think that Manchuria was always a part of China. Korean culture in China is slowly eviscerating before our own eyes.

Regarding the Manchu's, there are only a HANDFULL of manchus that can actually speak the language anymore. Most Manchurians have dis-avowed their ethnic race to become Han Chinese. It's very sad for the Manchu ethnic group, they are basically non-existant.



In term of generalities, you are probably right. Pop culture, sports, Information control, multi-culturalism are all tools Western Factions implement, that are dividing Asian people within nations. Critical issues like financial autonomy, political power, technological innovation, cultural renaissance within the Asian continent, are null and void that Western factions control and restrict. Malaise, apathy, and narcissism have become consequential components to a degenerate, degraded race. Mostly the blame is on us, Koreans, Japanese, Chinese.

the simple solution to cultural degeneration would be, a Clean Diet, No TV, media or Internet, No entertainment industry to poison the minds of the youth.

Tell me that these people couldn\'t pass for Koreans.






http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=826837&t=r

Krea has been called hermit kingdom for a reason. Not only do North Koreas live in their own world, South Koreans in a way are not that open to the world either. That's the primary reason why even tho China and Japan are Korea's closest neighbors, most of Koreans only know the surface of these two countries. Much of impression about China in korean minds are either half-truth or pure imagination. Before I showed up in AF several years ago, most of Korean members here thought Manchus are somethings only exist in history book.....lol....In actuality, there are plenty of Manchus decedents still alive and kicking in major cities of China including places such as HK and Taiwan. Specially in cities like Beijing and Shengyang, Manchus are plenty.


This line alone shows your ignorance about Manchus.


u wish......lol......And no one is wiping out Josenjuk.....Josenjuk is for flocking SK at their free will, which is not a bad thing.

Nah.....I dont see those pics looking similar to Koreans at all. Just b/c korean nationalists wish to be Manchus, it's easy to cause hullicination in your mnd. most of Manchus don't look like Koreans....Koreans usually have a very distinct facial features of super slant eyes and a pancake-like face shape. If anything, Koreans looks very Mongolians...perhaps thanks to genetic contributions of Mongols during Mongol domination of Koryo...

Now please get back to topic of Jeju island.... If Koreans wish to associate yourself with minorities groups in Manchuria, please go ask if Mongols, Heze, Hui, Ewenki, Xibo, or Daurs want to take you. We Manchs sure don't want to associate with Koreans....please stay ten light poles away from us...

And now I see where the Chinese perspective is coming from...

South Korea turns tourist resort into weapon