What Uncle Sam says, Noy follows. So off Noynoy to Japan. And promised the Muslims their own Substate. Balkanization of the Philippines here we go.

The Reason accdg to Erick San Juan is G.O.D.
Gold, Gas, Oil and Deuterium
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4842192
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Ibibigay sa MILF ang Mindanao.

Uto uto gaya ni Cory? O traydor gaya ng lolo?

Matagal ko nang naririnig kay Ka Mentong Laurel itong MILF substate na ito.

http://newkatipunero.blogspot.com/2011/08/traitor-class.html

The traitor class
DIE HARD III
Herman Tiu Laurel
8/8/2011



Early last week, I predicted the creation of a “substate” in Mindanao this September under the auspices of the present government to accommodate the US’ little surrogates in that part of the country, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF). I explained to my three friends, noted “sons of Mindanao,” the oft-repeated pattern of attacks on government military units preceding all attempts at a US-imposed solution to the Mindanao territorial problem. At the same time, I informed them that rumors of a September substate implementation in fact emanate from circles within the government “peace panel.”

Since few still understand what a “substate” really means, I explained by way of a statement from the Independent International Commission on Kosovo (IICK): “The classic 19th century concept of sovereignty, even if it rarely pertained in practice, was a concept of absolute territorial sovereignty. In the 21st century, sovereignty is necessarily shared and dependent on agreements with a range of international actors.”

In that report, the concept of “earned sovereignty” was mentioned as integral to the substate, which unambiguously means eventual independence. It said, “Earned sovereignty is achieved… (whereby) the state and substate entity may both exercise sovereign authority and functions over a defined territory.” Moreover, “international institutions may also exercise sovereign authority and functions in addition to or in lieu of the parent state.”

Then, it gets more interesting: “The second core element is institution-building… Here the substate entity, frequently with the assistance of the international community, undertakes to construct institutions for self-government (while)… The third… is the eventual determination of the final status of the substate entity.”

And here’s the clincher: “In many instances the status will be determined by a referendum, while in others it may involve a negotiated settlement… Invariably, the determination of final status for the substate entity involves the consent of The International community … (emphasis mine)”

Since Kosovo is a prime example, then we should know that such a framework is no solution to the problem, given what we can see happening there today.

Kosovo, which is 92 percent Albanian and 8 percent other minorities (including ethnic Serbs), was radically destabilized in the early 1990s when it was still under Serbia’s moderate autonomous Rugova government. Back then, the US sponsored the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), which led a campaign of terror against the Serbs; thus, provoking the ultra-nationalists. The resulting internal strife subsequently provided the US the perfect excuse for a UN peacekeeping force.

Kosovo was thereafter pried apart from Serbia in 1999 after three months of the US’ bombing of Belgrade. The KLA eventually assumed leadership in Kosovo government, but is today under investigation by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) for many atrocities.

In early January, PACE voted to support a report by Swiss MP **** Marty that alleged “a criminal network tied to the Kosovo Liberation Army, KLA (which) executed prisoners and harvested their kidneys to sell for illicit organ transplant” (with) Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci as head of the operation.

Former International Criminal Court (ICC) Milosevic prosecutor Carla del Ponte at that time was also investigating Thaci until the US pressured for her removal.

However, despite the sordid background of the US’ allies in Kosovo, it declared independence in 2008, over the objections of Serbia, Russia, China, Spain and many other countries.

That will also be the eventual fate of the MILF substate. And the promise of a long-lasting peace is nothing but an illusion.

Just two weeks ago, July 26, BBC reported: “Kosovo police forces of the ‘substate’ of Serbia, Kosovo, made a ‘bid to take over two border crossing in the ethnic Serb north’… Kosovo police units, who came under fire, pulled back after Serbs refusing to recognize their authority took up arms and mounted roadblocks. Nato-led peacekeepers moved into the area to calm the situation. The US and EU criticized the Kosovan government for acting without consulting international bodies. The whole episode shows just how problematic the north of Kosovo remains.”

The UN peacekeepers intervened to keep the two sides apart and both economies continue to suffer. The end result of the substate concept and political arrangement is that where there was once a relatively genuine sovereign state, two puppet states emerge. As with Serbia and Kosovo, both puppet states today, the Republic of the Philippines will be diminished and the MILF will rise as a rival in the area so that both will be kept by foreign powers in constant conflict.

The new diminished Philippine Republic and the new substate of the MILF are all thanks to the “great patriotic peacemaking efforts” of the Cojuangco-Aquino clan, which has always led in creating “better conditions” for national dignity and sovereignty — from the oath of allegiance of Benigno S. Aquino Sr. and Aurora Aquino, grandparents of BSA III, to the Japanese conquerors; to Ninoy Aquino’s exposé of the Jabidah project to retake Sabah; to Corazon Aquino’s ceding of Sabah to Malaysia; and now, the new MILF substate.

We owe all these to the Cojuangco-Aquinos who are now riding the bandwagon of oil and natural gas having attended the MILF-PeNoy Tokyo talks, sharing the bonanza with J. Robinson West, chairman of PFC Energy and US Institute for Peace.

Such is the traitor class that the US has entrenched into power through various means, such as Hocus PCOS—the reason BSA III is only too willing to oblige lest he find himself soon in the same position as Gloria Arroyo today.

While this is happening, other treasonous rats also play — from the CodeNGO et al. gobbling up the P4-billion administrative cost of the Conditional Cash Transfer; to Purisima, Tentangco et al. wallowing in the fruits of RP surplus investments in their foreign investement partners. Truly, for as long as this traitor class remains in power, there is no hope for this nation.

(Tune in to Radyo OpinYon, Monday to Friday, 5 to 6 p.m., and Sulo ng Pilipino, Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, 6 to 7 p.m. on 1098AM; Talk News TV with HTL, on “Mis-Rule of Law: From Edsa Dos to MILF Substate,” with Atty. Alan Paguia and Sen. Koko Pimentel, Saturday, 8 to 9 p.m., with replay at 11 p.m., on GNN, Destiny Cable Channel 8; visit http://newkatipunero.blogspot.com and http://hermantiulaurel.blogspot.com for our articles plus TV and radio archives)

http://newkatipunero.blogspot.com/2011/08/...-saboteurs.html

Economic saboteurs
DIE HARD III
Herman Tiu Laurel
8/15/2011



With the US financial system reeling from its asymmetrically exploding fiscal crisis; with Europe staggering amid socio-economic upheaval; and with Japan dimming in the dark cloud of its tectonic and nuclear disaster, local business news reported the inevitable: “Exports down 10.2 percent in June” from $4.557 to $4.092 billion year-on-year, or a loss of almost P25.2 billion. On top of that, the prevailing currency issue has caused the Philippine economy to suffer heavy losses. For our largest dollar-earning sectors alone — the OFWs and business process outsourcing (BPO) firms — every appreciation of the peso to the US dollar already costs billions. And we have not seen the worst of it yet.

Regrettably, even as Filipino entrepreneurs, workers and consumers are hit with these whammies, a Big Business conglomerate is, by contrast, expecting core profits to grow nearly 25 percent, with 31 percent coming from its power unit’s earnings which have grown up to 87 percent annually from 2008 to 2010. Why, Metro Pacific Investments Corp. (MPIC) CEO Manuel Pangilinan has even forecast Manila Electric Co. (Meralco)’s profits as growing “modestly” to P14 billion in 2011, which, judging from the results midway, the company seems ready to exceed by year-end.

Reports state that in the first half of 2011 alone, “Meralco’s core net income increased 35 percent to P7.82 billion on higher distribution tariffs despite the slightly lower volume of electricity sold because of the cooler weather and lower industrial consumption of power…” Hence, Meralco sold less electricity but got higher profits.

Similarly, another major component of MPIC’s profit this year — which was a surprise despite my constant monitoring of the utilities sector — has been water.

Again, on higher rates, as well as tax holidays, MWSI contributed 41 percent of MPIC’s profits.

Just the same, of all the utility services under the MPIC empire, it is still power that draws the greatest attention.

A February 2011 study by the Philippine Exporters’ Confederation Inc. (PhilExport) and the Employers Confederation of the Philippines (Ecop) entitled, “The Impact of High Energy Costs on Exports,” already named the Philippines as having the “highest power cost in Asia.” Citing an October 2010 study by independent think tank International Energy Consultants, it explained that RP’s “average retail rate of electricity of 18.1 US cents per kilowatthour… has eased out Japan at the top… at 17.9 US cents per kilowatthour,” adding, “The high cost of electricity in the Philippines was traced by the group to the fact that all costs — from producing power to distribution and taxes — are passed on to consumers… (And as) the Philippines is the only country in the region that has privatized its electric power sector and has no state subsidy on rates… (with) domestic natural gas coming from the Malampaya gas deposits in offshore Palawan… priced so high… (it is) suggested that the Philippine government renegotiate the Malampaya contract…”

Notwithstanding that, other rate hikes in power also bubbled up this past month: First, with the Supreme Court (SC) siding with both the Energy Regulatory Commission (ERC) and Meralco on a 2009 P0.29/kWh rate hike petition on purely technical procedural grounds, it makes everyone wonder whether PeNoy’s first SC appointee, Justice Lourdes Sereno, really appreciates the substantive issue of Salus populi est suprema lex (The welfare of the people is the supreme law) when she, as ponente, faulted consumers, saying, “They should be more vigilant in protecting their rights.”

And since consumer advocates have to pay for their own fares; solicit volunteer legal representation; and plod through deliberately obfuscated ERC rules and rulings, how can Sereno still claim that we consumers have been remiss? We, therefore, have to ask this of the SC, the supposed last bastion of the people’s hope for justice, which championed public welfare in 2003 by confirming the Return-on-Rate Base (RoRB), as well as vetoed the charging of corporate income tax to consumers and ordered the Commission on Audit (CoA) to sift through the books of the power giant: Has it now been captured, too?

Second, as Congress has extended the lifeline rate to consumers using 99/kWh per month or less, it means that this doleout will be exacted once again from consumers using upwards of 100 kWh per month, most of whom are also equally poor; this, despite the fact that a bleeding heart such as House energy committee chairman Rep. Dina Abad refuses to shell out a single centavo from her P380-million pork barrel.

Clearly, despite the claim that the wretched 10-year-old Electric Power Industry Reform Act (Epira) was going to bring down rates by competition via the Wholesale Electricity Spot Market (Wesm), what happened was the exact opposite: It more than doubled charges! In fact, privatization has not reduced the $18-billion National Power Corp. (Napocor) debt at all.

Then, as if these were not enough, we still have to contend with the ERC’s approval of a P4.5-billion Napocor petition for increase of P0.07/kWh starting August to cover for “losses” from its 2003 to 2009 “missionary” electrification operations.

With such economic saboteurs, the destruction of our economy and the people’s welfare is sure to never cease — that is, until the nation revolts against the entire system.

(Tune in to Sulo ng Pilipino/Radyo OpinYon, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 5 to 7 p.m., and Tuesday, Thursday, 5 to 6 p.m. on 1098AM; Talk News TV with HTL, Saturday, 8 to 9 p.m., with replay at 11 p.m., on GNN, Destiny Cable Channel 8; also visit http://newkatipunero.blogspot.com for our articles plus TV and radio archives)

What is Ka Mentong Laurel's opinion on dollar's depreciation with regards to our dollar reserves? Isn't that Philippine US dollar reserves provide some kind of confidence to the Philippine peso? The rise of our peso against the dollar does not project a stronger peso. Domestically, the purchasing power of the peso remains the same. It is just that the dollar keeps going down. And along with it, our own dollar reserves, and eventually, confidence in our own peso.

Heto yata ang sagot niya...


link: http://newkatipunero.blogspot.com/2011/08/...istraction.html


http://newkatipunero.blogspot.com/2011/08/...sumers-101.html

Currencies and Consumers 101
CONSUMERS DEMAND!
Herman Tiu Laurel
8/8-14/2011



Our currency fluctuates in value simply because the value of the US dollar, which the peso follows, one way or another, also fluctuates.

But is that the case for all currencies or moneys?

Market Forces
Unfortunately, for many laymen, it somehow gets convoluted even when, actually, the answer is “No.” Not all currencies fluctuate just because the dollar fluctuates.

Some currencies, like the yuan of the People’s Republic of China and the ringgit of Malaysia, don’t fluctuate as wildly as our peso does. That’s because the governments of those two countries exercise currency controls to decide on how they want their currencies to be valued.

In contrast, monetary authorities in the Philippines depend on so-called “market forces” and intervene only by buying or selling dollars in our local market, to the detriment of many consumers.

Mainstream newspapers reported a few months ago, “Aquino: Strong peso sign of improving economy.”

If it were only that simple, then we wouldn’t have heard the clamor of an overwhelming majority of our country’s economic sectors -- from exporters, OFW families, business process outsourcing (BPO) firms, among many others -- for government to do something about the appreciating peso.

Imports can be Cheaper
Does P-Noy know that when the peso appreciated against the dollar as the US was theatrically locked in its “debt ceiling impasse,” Filipino OFW families, BPOs, and exporters lost P70 billion for each peso's rise?

That means, when our currency appreciated by two pesos the past week, all three sectors sustained a staggering loss of P140 billion.

No wonder our OpinYon colleague Liza Gaspar, who earns by helping Canadians and Americans fix their tax and finance chores via the Internet, claims to have lost half her income already.

The supposed benefit from an appreciating peso and a devaluing dollar is that imports would become cheaper.

But, as our regular e-mail correspondent Ferdie Pasion heatedly complains about, fuel, electricity, water, toll fees, transport, and other consumer basics, which have foreign exchange components, don’t go down at all.

And that’s the other half of the loss of purchasing power which the likes of Liza Gaspar complain about, too.

What’s Eating our Pockets?
Why is it that despite the appreciation of the peso, inflation continues to zoom to stratospheric heights, eating up Filipino consumers’ pockets?

Finance Secretary Cesar Purisima was heard explaining, “Old stocks (of fuel and oil) bought at the previous exchange rate” are to blame.

But then, when the exchange rate goes down in favor of lower imports, the international oil behemoths and speculators find a new way to raise prices either by using war or the latest shortage scare as an excuse (always manipulating the situation to their advantage).

Another problem with the fluctuating exchange rate, or the “floating currency exchange” rate (versus the controlled currency exchange rate), is that the speculators (bankers and investment managers alike) take advantage of or create the fluctuations themselves to earn windfall profits.

By the way, most of our monetary managers are themselves former bankers, fund managers, or executives of such speculating companies.

Paradise for Fund Managers
After the recent dive of the dollar, this report came out in the papers, “Peso declines after investors book profits… THE PESO took a breather from its northward trek against the dollar after investors took profits.

“The local currency shed 22.5 centavos to settle at P42.15 per dollar yesterday against its P41.925-per-dollar close last Monday.

“Traders yesterday said investors took profits from the peso, which surged to as high as the P41-per-dollar territory on Monday, after they flocked to emerging markets amid the euro zone and US debt problems.”

Right now, the Philippine economic and financial system is designed as a paradise for bankers and financial speculators, where these financial managers are a protected species.

Filipino First
The top honchos of the Department of Finance and the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (BSP) were with Gloria Arroyo then, but are now as much with P-Noy.

BSP Gov. Amando Tetangco has just gotten another six years despite the dismal performance of his institution in protecting Filipino citizens and consumers from the ravages of international financial scams, such as the 2008 crash and current currency gyrations.

For a sure answer to all these peso-dollar problems, Filipinos only need to look back at the “Filipino First Policy” of President Carlos P. Garcia.

Back then, he, along with Central Bank Gov. Mike Cuaderno, maintained “currency and capital controls” to maintain the value of the peso at a level consistent with the welfare of the economy, the people, and the national economic development plan.

Such policy of “currency and capital controls” was the same thing that saved Malaysia from the ravages of the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis caused by the attack of mega-speculator George Soros on the Thai baht and other Asian currencies.

Mahathir was Right
The IMF-WB, Time, Newsweek, Fortune magazine etc., and, locally, the late Max Soliven, Alex Magno, the Habitos and Paderangas, all lambasted Mohammad Mahathir, whom I probably was the only Filipino writer to defend.

Before long, Mahathir was proven right as his country sailed through the financial storm, safely docking as one of the premier economies of the ASEAN.

But, to institute currency and capital controls, one must have an enlightened, competent, and militantly nationalist political leadership alongside a banking system that is firmly under the control of that leadership.

If not, massive leakages (such as the capital flight instigated by the Makati-based banks during the time of Marcos) can only follow.

When Usury was a Crime
Unfortunately, mainstream media and the educational system in the Philippines have kept the Filipino public illiterate on matters of national finance by continuously conspiring to create the wrong impression that such matters are best left to “experts” (like Winnie Monsod and company).

They deliberately obfuscate the basic principles and issues to make the population blind and acquiescent even when the financial system and the economy adversely affect them.

Remember the term “usury” that was once taught in school as a “sin” and a “crime” against our national laws? Now that’s been forgotten.

We need to restore such an understanding as the basis of a productive, dynamic, and fair Philippine economic system.

A revolution of the mind is needed to provide the impetus -- leading to a nationalist leadership that will reinstitute “currency and capital controls” for the nation’s good.

Philippine peso should be compared with other currencies like the Canadian dollar to find its real gains and not with the depreciating US dollar. Few years ago, one Canadian dollar was to 22 pesos. Today, a Canadian dollar plays between 43 and 44 pesos. Although imports are expected to be cheaper due to the appreciation of the peso, it does not occur since American dollar depreciation worldwide would require more dollars to purchase from other countries. In the end, a continuous erosion of the US dollar will destabilize other currencies dependent and leaning on it like the Philippine peso. Is it time for gold to back the Philippine peso?

A real and long lasting solution will be a new Bretton Woods or Glass-Steagall act.


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just listen to this guy he has a point. he believes its not going to happen because the different muslim tribes don't get along so uniting will be difficult...though the way he said is kinda funny

"Target ni Tulfo -Bangsa-Moro Sub State"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epes0Cm4tuk

yes, make use of european experience.
use your geometric reasoning. complexity of matters may not end where expected.
about the kosovo, search out for Julia Gorin! she wrote many bold articles, well she is Serb but does that mean their warnings are all wrong? big mistake.


oh these think tanks and the kissinger brzezinski doctrine. rot in hell.

whenever they smell some "nationalizing" in the energy sector, they run amok.
when there is some government acting too much on the left side in this matter, they would funnel insane war budget into some islamist militias.
this is not to create some stable islamic, anti-communist state. civil war and massacres are welcome because after that the NATO or some other puppet force will arrive for humanitarian reason and take control of the economy in a way that oil and gas, pipelines, and electric power can be bought by western multinational corporations, and be it as the major stock holders.

some europeans seem upset enough to hurry to sell to the chinese first, bwahahaha..


anyway, these so-called "conservative" politicians who are a corrupt PITA, alway get some hint from a think tank and then start to babble, we must privatize this privatize that.
the state cannot run a huge energy sector, it's apparatchiks are too dumb and will run it. that's the narrative.
so, what is happening:
the state is officially too dumb and corrupt and has to sell. and who are the buyers that come up quickly? some sheiks, and some chinese companies.
then what once was a public resource of a european country, it is given away by that european state and ends up in the hand of an arab state or the chinese peoples republic or CCP because these are at the long end of the chain of command when it starts with a sheikh or a chinese energy company.
this is what they call privatization. duh.

if there is any sanity in such a process, I can't understand it. actually, I think it is just corrupt crime.
so be warned.

While it may be part of the American plan of balkanization of Asia, the Muslim Filipinos ALSO want a substate of their own.

Since they own the land (and since they NEVER have been part of the Philippine consciousness - talking about the current heavily Hispanicized Filipino culture), they should have a right to their own future.

A substate UNDER THE PHILIPPINE REPUBLIC (of course) will not diminish Philippine sovereignty but it will give the Muslims a sense of autonomy that they are longing for - and a feeling of co-ownership of the government (which they feel the Catholics have been pressing on to them).

ANY ethnic group should have the right to secede from any government if the majority feel that their needs aren't met. However, if there is already an agreement between a representative of that ethnic group with the government, both parties have the responsibility to stick with the agreement.

Bretton woods failed for a reason.

Rather, pro-Wallstreet US politicians killed it for a reason. They are/were beholden to the Zionazi banksters.

That's not why it happened.

Bretton woods in a nutshell. Every country used the united states currency as a reserve unit, and that was convertible into gold, which the united states held. The united states was the like an international bank.

Bretton woods was doom to fail.

The United states was heavily involved in the Cold war and the South East Asian Wars of the 60's and 70's. At the same time the United States was hell bent on LBJ's "great society", which was a system of welfare programs.

in order to fund the the war/defense spending and a social welfare, the united states began creating currency in far excess of what it could actual convert into to gold. Germany, Japan and other countries knew was being done so they demanded their gold. The united states realized the severity of the situation and declared that it would not give anyone their gold. The United states would not convert anything into gold, and shut the gold window. because of the USAs vast power especially in comparison to any other country that was not russia, nobody did anything about it. The united states was then able to create reserves without no gold backing at all, and could print money into infinity, leading to the situation that we have now.


So it wasn't wallstreet and Zionist that kill bretton woods. Bretton Woods killed bretton Woods. We can't have a system was one country is allowed to print all the reserves, and expect that country to be responsible. Especially when that one country is the most powerful nation that every existed, and no one will confront them. Another Bretton Woods system isn't going to work. The next system either has to be regulated by mother nature (gold) or it will have to be some system where every shares the consequences of printing money. This system where the united states creates billions of dollars and then other nations have to devalue and suffer because of it is not going to ever work.

Current system(floating exchange rate) is in greater magnitude doomed to fail also as compared to the Fixed Exchange rate(pegged with the Gold standard) enforced by Bretton Woods. The deregulations done on the banking industry with the repeal of Glass Steagall is the cause of the Derivatives bubble. Bailing out the greedy banksters in detrimental to the US taxpayers is creating a bigger bubble of a mess. http://politicalvelcraft.org/glass-steagall-act/

You should now that the Bankster Mafia families headed by the European Rotschild banking family controlled the private entity called the Federal Reserve and not the US Gov't. http://politicalvelcraft.org/rothschild/

The enemies within

so whats your opinion on the free tibet movement? how about xinjiang? or inner mongolia? Taiwan? what about the free manchu movement?

Insofar as I am concerned, there are no surveys that say that majority of these territories want to secede from China. Even Dalai Lama (Tibet) and Rebiya Kadeer (Xinjiang) themselves MAINTAIN that as long as AUTONOMY is given, there is NO NEED to secede. Straight from the leaders' mouths.

Inner Mongolians, even the ethnic Mongols, I read in one article, do NOT want to secede from China - actually they want their brothers in Outer Mongolia to join China instead.

Manchus only number hundreds. Virtually all, except for fifty people (I read about this), Manchus themselves have Han blood. There are NO active Manchu secessionist groups in China at all.

If Taiwan goes independent, then there will be more Chinese voices in the world. So whether they go independent or not, I'm neutral.

lmao

is ocrap back for good?

The reason why Whites and Westerners were able to lead the world and to control global politics is because they live in numerous independent states.

Whites have a total of 63 SEATS in the United Nations, representing various countries in Europe, North America, South America, Australasia, and Africa.

East Asians, on the contrary, only have a total of 7 SEATS (China, NoKor, SoKor, Japan, Mongolia, Singapore, Bhutan)!
Southeast Asians have 10 SEATS, giving ALL ASIANS A TOTAL OF ONLY 17 SEATS, most of whom do not even get along with each other....

So in many ways, separatism could be a good thing in Asia. It can and will increase the representation of Asians in the world.

all we need is ejay to come back.

ocrap and ejay can start their fabled wars again

unless you are ejay...LOL

PLEASE. Tibet wants independence as does Xinjiang. Since the growing popularity of the internet even the Inner mongolians and Manchu movements have been organizing within their groups.

I agree with you in many ways! Look at Myanmar,Laos,Vietnam, and Cambodia who don't quite get along with Thailand. lol And also I believe Asean is nothing more then just for show. Also I'm against Asean because every country in SE are in a different stages that will not work out together because of mistrust,nationalism and history fought from the past.

All I can say is, fu-k ASEAN community because it doesn't help anyone in a long process.

Hopefully they can get it together. It would make it a better situation for us all.

It will take a century or more just to get all of us together. At this point. I don't see that happening and the only country that benefit the Asean more are those richer members. I don't see why creating such organization now will help any country either poor or rich either. We are all in different development level and we have different nationalist idea as a country. Putting all of this together is like asking you're enemy into you're country with no true identity and pride. Asean is nothing more then to erased all national identity and ethnicity in the future in all Asean members socially as a community.

haha no im not ejay

the only thing i agreed with ejay about was that ocrap is not chinese.

Good points, Yeah there are way too many differences and conflicting interests this point for ASEAN to be a true alliance of nations.

Do you think it would be a good thing though to have one national identity and ethnicity like China? Is this really a necessary step to be a social community?

I don't think that is a good idea at all!! Why take away each and every country natonal identity for what they represent and who they are in their own country? It doesn't even make any sense to even look that way for the ASEAN community anyways! Also each and every ethnicity and national has their own pride to be proud of that isn't shared by other country or members. National pride is something only within its own people and country itself that understand what its true kinship is all about.

Also, why would you want ASEAN to be like China? China is its own nation and its own independent soverneignty just like the rest of the ASEAN members countries. So I'm not sure why you clustering ASEAN as some sort of a country to be compared with China. That isn't a smart question from you. It showed how ignrant you are just by saying that. Asean is an organization, not a country that you compare with China.

For example... I'm a Lao person. But why should I say I'm Asean or filipino as one national identity, when I'm not neither both? National and ethnic identity is the key to trace back our own ancestor and pride as the people that is unique among us all sovereign country within the Asean.

We can still have a community. But taking away our natonal and ethnicity pride is beyond anyone within the ASEAN community or any where globally.

Oh, I meant it as a question. I wasn't saying it is a good idea. I was just trying to understand your point better, not being "ignrant" to try and understand a persons point of view is it?

Also, what did you mean by "clostering"?

But you could of been smart about it the other way around. You're just saying 'Why ASEAN cannot be like China and have one national identity as one.' That doesn't even make any sense the firest place saying Asean is already at that higher level as one people. That isn't so true at all. So that question cannot be ignorantely question the frist time.

Also, I describe the reason for you to why you're question is wrong.

Also their is nothing wrong with you trying to understand other person point of view. But still you're question is ignorant the first time you mention it.

I met clustering. lol

Um, No.. The question was meant to understand your point of view more. "Do you think it would be a good idea to be a homogeneous entity like China?" vs. "Why can't we be like awesome China, A homogenous country? " is very different. I never once implied that cultural or racial homogeneity was a good idea in any of my posts.

Clustering.. Ok, I wasn't sure between cloistering and clustering.

No surveys can really determine whether majority want independence. Just some individuals protesting here or there. Even the Dalai Lama himself said that what he wants for Tibet is autonomy not independence. Same goes for Xinjiang.

For Inner Mongolia and Manchuria, no such things can be found in the internet. Manchus are now mostly Han (only 50 or so are not), so why would they rebel against their OWN KIND?!?!

A lot of SEA even have their own internal factions. Philippines has the Cordillera, Moro, and Communist problem. Thailand has the Pattani and Isan problem. Indonesia has Aceh, Ambon, Papua, Etc. Etc.

I say fix that first before even talking of a regional-wide organization.

With the recent talks of a single Asian currency. instead of one single currency, it's better for SEA+NEA to have a single currency basket (sharing exchange rates and all that), but with all the countries of SEA+NEA printing their own currency. That way, cultural values are preserved. Not like Euro, which uses a currency with artificial cultural symbols. Examples include the United Kingdom, where England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Gibraltar, Jersey, and Isle of Man all print their own distinctive currencies, but all remain interchangeable and equal in value to each other.