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Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- Three Japanese lawmakers were denied entry at a South Korean airport Monday after they announced they would attempt a visit to an island near disputed territory in the east sea of Korea.

The lawmakers arrived at Gimpo International Airport near Seoul at 11:20 a.m. but were denied entry by the immigration service, according the Ministry of Justice.

The trio is expected to return to Japan on a later flight, but details were not yet available, the Ministry of Justice said.

The Japanese politicians announced they would visit Ulleung Island -- adjacent to the disputed Dokdo islets -- after the two countries clashed over a civilian aircraft running a test flight over the area.

The islets in the sea east of Korea, known as Dokdo in Korea and Takeshima in Japan, have been a prickly issue for both countries. Japan has long claimed the islets as its territory, but Seoul said all Korean territory was returned after the country won independence from colonial rule by Japan in 1945.

The South Korean Foreign Ministry warned Friday that the government would not allow the three politicians to enter the country, saying it cannot guarantee the safety of the lawmakers and that the decision is out of consideration of bilateral relations.

Monday's visit is widely viewed as an act of protest by right-wing politicians after the two countries clashed over the islets last month.

The Japanese government issued a ban on flying with South Korea's flagship airline, advising Japanese officials to refrain from flying with Korean Air in July. Korean Air had conducted a test flight over the islets twice to celebrate the launching of its new aircraft in June.

Seoul demanded Tokyo withdraw the ban, but with no success.

South Koreans view the islets as a source of national pride and have taken various measures to reassert its ownership of the islets. The land is largely uninhabited with only seven registered residents.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/08/0...kers/index.html
kaizen
South Korean right wingers are always too dramatic.
KochiGachi
Japanese would have done same thing.
Since Japan tried their publicity stunt it's time for Korea do their publicity stunt.
This have became publicity game.
doggyji
These old school right wing guys don't know what they're doing. What do they gain? Nothing. On the other hand, the right wing Japanese politicians exactly wanted a publicity stunt like this in Korea. Now they can make themselves look all persecuted and important. Treating the politicians like nobody tourists would've been better.
KochiGachi
QUOTE (doggyji @ Aug 2 2011, 12:04 PM) *
These old school right wing guys don't know what they're doing. What do they gain? Nothing. On the other hand, the right wing Japanese politicians exactly wanted a publicity stunt like this in Korea. Now they can make themselves look all persecuted and important. Treating the politicians like nobody tourists would've been better.


Are you saying older Korean generation are wrong?
What they did was expressing their anger, they didn't gain anything because they don't want anything just another publicity. So in a way they gain something called "attention". These Japanese gain only half the attention, publicity from Korea & Japan, nothing more.

If Japanese politicians were attacked by angry Korean nationalists this would have became No.1 global news @ CNN, BBC, ABC because Japanese media have extensive connection with Western media and they will use them to portray Korea as "Bad guy".

Japan will gain nothing because they also have territorial disputes with China and Russia even U.S on Guam/Saipan.
Some right wing Japanese doesn't like what's happening in Japan right now due to rise of popularity of K-pop and Korean culture, so they poked at some right wing Japanese politicians to stir up Anti-Korean sentiment from Japan but didn't worked out the way they have planned it. Dokdo issue is only Japanese right wing activists can abuse right now to break up close relation between Korea and Japan.
doggyji
^ I meant treating them like tourists with tight security but yeah, realistically anything can suddenly happen during the long trip. The Liancourt rock issue is certainly the easiest to use with the least risk for the Japanese politicians out of all territorial disputes Japan has, especially when there are domestic problems piled up.
rvsp
Incidentally, these Japanese politicians - Shindo Yoshi taka(新藤義孝), Inada Tomomi(稻田朋美), Sato Masahishi(佐藤正久) - are still visiting Yasukuni Shrine where A class war criminals are buried.

Interestingly enough, they bought some dried seaweed at the duty free shop before taking the last ANA flight back to Japan. icon_neutral.gif

zoopiter
QUOTE (KochiGachi @ Aug 2 2011, 10:16 AM) *
Are you saying older Korean generation are wrong?
What they did was expressing their anger, they didn't gain anything because they don't want anything just another publicity. So in a way they gain something called "attention". These Japanese gain only half the attention, publicity from Korea & Japan, nothing more.

If Japanese politicians were attacked by angry Korean nationalists this would have became No.1 global news @ CNN, BBC, ABC because Japanese media have extensive connection with Western media and they will use them to portray Korea as "Bad guy".

Japan will gain nothing because they also have territorial disputes with China and Russia even U.S on Guam/Saipan.
Some right wing Japanese doesn't like what's happening in Japan right now due to rise of popularity of K-pop and Korean culture, so they poked at some right wing Japanese politicians to stir up Anti-Korean sentiment from Japan but didn't worked out the way they have planned it. Dokdo issue is only Japanese right wing activists can abuse right now to break up close relation between Korea and Japan.


the other better word to say of attention is awareness. the means are however related to anger.
Joseon
Those politicians are just dumb.. They should be mad at the United States for taking control over their country. This has never happened in the history of man. Where One race from one part of the globe gets to gain hegemony over another race..

It's like Starcraft.. where the Terran army has gain control over the protoss..
ccL1
Funny how the anti-China people are nowhere to be found in threads like this. Not saying China is treating the ROK well, but when you still have hegemonic colonialism being imposed on the ROK from its island neighbour to the east (i.e. Japan), I think this is a life or death issue for the ROK.

This IS our most pressing issue. This must be resolved, first and foremost, because it's a very threat to the ROK's sovereignty. Real pro-Koreans care about this issue.

Fake pro-Koreans don't post about this, because they don't mind Japan encroaching on the ROK's hard-earned sovereignty.
doggyji
^ Calm down. You tend to repeat that line of thought. Do you know how many territorial disputes exist in the world? Should they all go bonkers about it? Sure, be aware of the issue. And then what? shrug.gif Just today, another Korean coast guard was killed while trying to arrest illegal Chinese fishermen. This is one of the practical issues to solve at hand among the problems with neighbors.
ElapsePride
QUOTE (ccL1 @ Dec 11 2011, 10:45 PM) *
Funny how the anti-China people are nowhere to be found in threads like this. Not saying China is treating the ROK well, but when you still have hegemonic colonialism being imposed on the ROK from its island neighbour to the east (i.e. Japan), I think this is a life or death issue for the ROK.

This IS our most pressing issue. This must be resolved, first and foremost, because it's a very threat to the ROK's sovereignty. Real pro-Koreans care about this issue.

Fake pro-Koreans don't post about this, because they don't mind Japan encroaching on the ROK's hard-earned sovereignty.

How does this thread have anything to do with china???

QUOTE (doggyji @ Dec 12 2011, 02:55 AM) *
^ Calm down. You tend to repeat that line of thought. Do you know how many territorial disputes exist in the world? Should they all go bonkers about it? Sure, be aware of the issue. And then what? shrug.gif Just today, another Korean coast guard was killed while trying to arrest illegal Chinese fishermen. This is one of the practical issues to solve at hand among the problems with neighbors.

this news is on headline of many main chinese new websites, there are people blaming the government and fishermen, and also angry youths being defensive.
I can't represent anyone else but I feel terribly sorry for the guard, I don't know much about the details how exactly the fishermen ended up stabbing the guard but they really shouldn't go into other country's waters. Hope they get what they deserve.
doggyji
QUOTE (ElapsePride @ Dec 12 2011, 03:17 AM) *
this news is on headline of many main chinese new websites, there are people blaming the government and fishermen, and also angry youths being defensive. I can't represent anyone else but I feel terribly sorry for the guard, I don't know much about the details how exactly the fishermen ended up stabbing the guard but they really shouldn't go into other country's waters. Hope they get what they deserve.
Only if people like you were the majority. My impression at this point is that there seems to be some sort of "reverse resentment" among the Chinese public because some influential Chinese media has depicted the events as if the illegal fishermen were almost innocent victims who were bullied by evil Koreans, leaving out the continuous stream of illegal activities and crimes committed by them not in isolation but on a regular basis. Accidents can happen but that is the most disappointing part. If the situation was reversed, oh well.
ElapsePride
QUOTE (doggyji @ Dec 12 2011, 04:59 PM) *
Only if people like you were the majority. My impression at this point is that there seems to be some sort of "reverse resentment" among the Chinese public because some influential Chinese media has depicted the events as if the illegal fishermen were almost innocent victims who were bullied by evil Koreans, leaving out the continuous stream of illegal activities and crimes committed by them not in isolation but on a regular basis. Accidents can happen but that is the most disappointing part. If the situation was reversed, oh well.

the majority don't pay attention to news like this to be honest, there are many other stuff happening in china that's more related to their lives so they can't care less, if they get know what happened in the waters, they will feel the same

people who click into it are those who do care about korea either negatively or passitively, there are people arguing , swearing against each other on this

netizens' opninions don't represent the majority of the real people in real life, especially for the chinese, trust me. it's true that some people just go there and swear because they got offended by koreans on the internet somewhere else, and some people are with rational mind trying to reason with them, I know this for sure.

here are the comments from 163.com, a very popular chinese news site, if you can figure out how to translate them into english, you'll see that after people know what really happened, most of them are blaming the fishermen, some even say they were acting like pirates, of course there are nasty comments too, you'd expect that already.
http://comment.news.163.com/news_junshi_bb...TH00011MTO.html

after all it's the media that play the major role in tuning public opninions.
I'm not trying to change anyone here, such anti-china sentiment won't go away, most of you don't like us to begin with, but many people are overly defensive for a good cause.
what happened already happened, I just hope the governments are able to sort out an ultimate and effective solution.

Internet is a nasty place, not good for immature people
doggyji
While it is Internet 101 that we can't take randomly urinated internet comments seriously, I'm curious about whether the issue is properly recognized at least among the educated people since I don't think the Chinese authority has been very cooperative. CCP instead seems to keep talking about the human rights of the illegal fishermen that they don't even have to worry about. This is regarded as a very serious chronic problem in Korea. I can understand the illegal fishing happening. Too many people and limited resources. It is the prepared and violent resistance against the sovereign authority that puzzles people. They do it because they think they can get away with it in Korea. Since this is a civilians vs law enforcement matter, CCP has a lot of buffer to sit back on whereas Korean coastguards representing the Korean authority are diplomatically burdened. I just hope the murderer won't generally be regarded as a "persecuted hero" when he's eventually sent back to China.
uvaslavic08
QUOTE (ccL1 @ Dec 11 2011, 10:45 PM) *
Funny how the anti-China people are nowhere to be found in threads like this. Not saying China is treating the ROK well, but when you still have hegemonic colonialism being imposed on the ROK from its island neighbour to the east (i.e. Japan), I think this is a life or death issue for the ROK.

This IS our most pressing issue. This must be resolved, first and foremost, because it's a very threat to the ROK's sovereignty. Real pro-Koreans care about this issue.

Fake pro-Koreans don't post about this, because they don't mind Japan encroaching on the ROK's hard-earned sovereignty.


I see. It's the Japanese that are crawling into the naval boundaries of Korea, exploiting its fisheries and killing Korean coast guards and officers. What a joke. I'm not a Japanophile nor a Sinophobe. But you must be out of your mind to suggest 'Japan encroaching on the ROK's hard-earned sovereignty' is a more serious issue for the Koreans rather than China that is invading Korean EEZ on a daily basis. Is Japan the country that is assisting the Dear-Leader? Did Japan refuse to admit or denounce the sinking of ROK Cheonan or the bombing of Yeongpyong Islands?
ccL1
QUOTE (uvaslavic08 @ Dec 13 2011, 05:52 AM) *
I see. It's the Japanese that are crawling into the naval boundaries of Korea, exploiting its fisheries and killing Korean coast guards and officers. What a joke. I'm not a Japanophile nor a Sinophobe. But you must be out of your mind to suggest 'Japan encroaching on the ROK's hard-earned sovereignty' is a more serious issue for the Koreans rather than China that is invading Korean EEZ on a daily basis. Is Japan the country that is assisting the Dear-Leader? Did Japan refuse to admit or denounce the sinking of ROK Cheonan or the bombing of Yeongpyong Islands?


Japan attempted to wipe Korea off the map. Not just the country, but the language and culture. Brutually murdered untold numbers of Korean men, women and children and used the women as sex slaves. Wake me up when China attempts to do these things to Korea.

This is unforgiveable. Even if Japan begged for forgiveness and paid reparations to the sex-slave victims, the victims' families and the Korean government on an annual basis, MORE must be extracted from Japan. I'm talking trillions of dollars every year.

I hope Korea NEVER forgets that dark period of colonialist hell that it had to go through because of the Japanese in the 20th century. The pain of that period will FOREVER reverberate in Korea.
JapanCorea4Ever
QUOTE (ccL1 @ Dec 15 2011, 10:24 PM) *
Japan attempted to wipe Korea off the map. Not just the country, but the language and culture. Brutually murdered untold numbers of Korean men, women and children and used the women as sex slaves. Wake me up when China attempts to do these things to Korea.

This is unforgiveable. Even if Japan begged for forgiveness and paid reparations to the sex-slave victims, the victims' families and the Korean government on an annual basis, MORE must be extracted from Japan. I'm talking trillions of dollars every year.

I hope Korea NEVER forgets that dark period of colonialist hell that it had to go through because of the Japanese in the 20th century. The pain of that period will FOREVER reverberate in Korea.


Of course. Pro-China Jiangban Coreans were swiftly met with brutality
Yet Coreans were allowed to speak there native languages with a Japanese schooling, but highly of discouraged to continue with there use of the 'Chinese' names.

swift action was taken as the time was uneasy within russian encroachment of north territory, south asia china weaken, american european expansions ? How long can an infant cry ?

as well,
How long can we expect you to keep pretending you are a "Corean" ?

WE do know that you are a Chinese man of a sort - you have been revealed on a numerous occasions recall....
doggyji
Trolls have been reported.

QUOTE (ccL1 @ Dec 15 2011, 09:24 PM) *
Japan attempted to wipe Korea off the map. Not just the country, but the language and culture. Brutually murdered untold numbers of Korean men, women and children and used the women as sex slaves. Wake me up when China attempts to do these things to Korea.

This is unforgiveable. Even if Japan begged for forgiveness and paid reparations to the sex-slave victims, the victims' families and the Korean government on an annual basis, MORE must be extracted from Japan. I'm talking trillions of dollars every year.

I hope Korea NEVER forgets that dark period of colonialist hell that it had to go through because of the Japanese in the 20th century. The pain of that period will FOREVER reverberate in Korea.
At this point, I can't believe you are serious. Nobody's saying Imperial Japan didn't do evil things. Everyone knows that and there are still some remaining issues to solve. However, promoting partnership with neighbors for the future is necessary while dwelling on the past does nothing. For Korea's downfall into the Japanese colonial rule, I heavily blame the incompetent Korean leaders of the era. Even the real Korean nationalists don't seriously talk about some sort of compensations at this point. Symbolic acknowledgement is what really matters for them.
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