Lanxan, I have read many of your posts and often times, they are very insightful and informative. However, I have noticed that when it comes to the royal family of Luang Prabang, I can't help but feel that you have a strong sense of dislike for them. Not knowing you personally I can only say that you are entitled to them.

However, it is interesting to me, that on one hand, you admit that the royals are no better than any other human being out there; that there is nothing special or unique, or god-like about them. Yet, you want to hold them to standards that are so abstract and subjective. If you truly believe they are just like any person out there, then you should be able to understand that like every one of us, they can make mistakes. They can only do what they can to lead a country that was caught up in a war.

I don't quite know too much about what happened in the past. But I do know that in time of war, anything is possible and nothing is as it seems. At the end, people die, families are destroyed and everyone is displaced in some way or another. And what is left is a broken country, filled with a lot of heart-aches, sadness, blames, and regrets. Laos is no different. Laos is/was a victim of war. Its people were victims of war. As the next generation of post war Laos, we can only try to understand it, learn to accept it, and forge forward in peace.

monarchy is an old out of date system. It's a good thing Laos got rid of it.

Can someone trace the lineage of Boun Oum Champakse?

because, Chao Ratsavong was the last king of Champakse. How did the Boun Oum family come to be after Chao Ratsavong fled to Vietnam?

For me, the Royal Bloodline Always has a place in Laos, doesnt matter in what compacity. but no political role, only ceremonial role as custom to our culture.

When I have time I will scan the history of muang Jumphone page by page, anyone know where the original muang Jumphone was at 200 years ago?

I don't think Chao Ratsavong was ever king of Champasak. Now, his brother Chao Yo was king of Chanmpsak up until the war of 1828.

i c, i thought Chao Anouvong was successful patitioning the King of Siam in placing his son Chao Ratsavong as the King of Champakse. maybe im wrong on that.

Hey XiengPeuk, have you heard the son of Chao Boun Oum got in a fight with the son of the Thai king before?

Chow Anou older son name: Chow Rathsabout Yo was a king of Champasak after they defeated the traitor...this was a plan for fighting the Siam the war of independence 1828. Siame captured him and later lost his life along with Chow Anou

Nachampasak lineage (Chow Boun Oum) came from Chow Rathsadanai, he was the last king that reported to Siam.

Nachampasak was given after LPB was crown Lanxang king (during the French and Lao were already under mornarchy constitution)

I recognize Chao Anouvong as a good monarch.

I would say the best Royal in recent history has to be Chao Phetsarath. Maybe because of his Saksit status is the reason why I like him, since I don't even know SO much about him besides that he wanted and pushed for Independence badly.

I would have to agree that a Royal's action is what makes them worthy of respect. The Luang Phrabang dynasty hasn't been so worthy.

yeah, lao people love him. i got the picture on my wall.

i think everyone has a picture of Chao Phetsarit.

thats funny dont u think,

Every Lao family has the picture of Phetsarit and not the last royal family of Laos.

it tells you who most Lao ppl respect and look up too.

No, I'm a close family and never heard of such, but it would be fun to see it though.LOL

He was the Son of King Sisavangvong's vice king. It took me a while to figure that out!

Its because he did so much, with such a lesser title than "King".

XiengPuek, you know the Thai king son, "Siew Ou"(however you spell is name). Well, this is from what I heard, the son of the Thai king and the son of Chao Boun Oum was studying at a priviate school in England at the time. The Thai king son said something to the the son of Chao Boun something like "You are not a real royal and shouldn't be here" to the face of the son of Chao Boun Oum and the son of Chao Boun Oum punched him in the face.

Would be ignorant if he really said such things, after all who's grand parents are royal and who's general....But if it was for real, I'm pretty sure that was just a teenage talks.

Even "Pee" is scared of Chao Phetsalath. What Khon Lao need is a great Lao leader who put the interest of country and Khon Lao above themselves. All it takes is one person to lift a country up. Look at Sinapore. Look at the United States. All it takes is one person to lead a country in the right or wrong direction.

I'm going to ask my brother again where he heard it from. But from what I heard, the son of the Thai king is said to be a d!ck. I heard that he once ordered Bird Thongsai to shaved off his head because he didn't like the way Bird Thongsai was acting in front of him.

What do you know about the Champassak history? I'm new to this blog...are you related to this family?

Anyone related to the Na Champassak family living in US or France on this blog?

Also, Boun Oum had how many sons? Would one of them be in his 70 right now if still living? Was Boun Oum or his father wed to a Cambodian princess at one point? Does anyone know?

There is Na Champasack in the State, but nothing special about them anymore.

I'm not interested whether they're special or not...just wanted to know if they're in the state. I know who I have to talk to to get my answers...thanks for the reply though!

I know, but I ain't going to say anything.

do u know this lady in front? -----> http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9738/kh...sadasouktc3.jpg

they're every where even in the states... why do u wanna know?

i dont support any royalty. lao pdr is making a stride for improvement. go visit the country see for yourself.

Too many fake Na Champasack and Sananikhone in the states. Many were claiming the descendant of those people in the refugee camps so they can get pick to come to states.

indeed..

i've met some chinese who hardly speak Lao claim the famous Lao surname (back in the old days) hahahaha

If the Louangprabang royal family don't deserve any respect then which family ? Let me ask you a question if you can answer ! Where did all the Vientiane royal family come from ? ( I mean Chao Anouvong family. )

They are all from the Same Family, The royalty of Vientiane is the most direct line to King Souriyavongsa the last King of Lanxang, he is the closest relative to King Setthartharat, when Chao Setthaya moved the capital to Vientiane, Vientiane the royalty of Vientiane are the rightful heir to the Kingdom of Laos, the line of Chao Setthartharat.

The Kingdom of Champasack was made up from a rouge group of nobles from Vientiane who wanted to split up the Kingdom of Vientiane for themselves after the death of King Souriyavongsa and when Vientiane attempted to unite the Lao Kingdoms, they ran to Siam for protection, and during Chao Anouvongs war with Siam, the same nobles from Champasack help support the Siamese by attacking Anouvongs forces and tracking down Chao Yo and Chao Souvanna (son's of Anouvong) handing them over to Siam where they were executed, Chao Yo escaping his executioners ended up killing himself before he could be recaptured, This is thanks to the Royal Family of Champasack.

The Loungprabang royal Family only obstained from the conflict because it ment the destruction of Loungprabang if they were to help Vientiane. I believe they would of help if they were sure Vientiane would win, so why fight a losing war? Dispiting that it was Anouvongs older brother that earlier attacked Loungprabang in an attempt to unite Lanxang, Loungprabang still, rather then help Siam they stayed neutral in the conflict, thats even after demands from Siam that Loungprabang assist Them. Eventhough they stayed neutral to that conflict, Siam called several nobles from Loungprabang excuting them for not taking Siamese side.

When the French came in, the rightful King should of came from the House of Vientiane and not Loungprabang or Champasack. Perhaps in the deal with Siam the French were swayed not to allow a prince from Vientiane to take the crown, Knowing the history of Vientiane

You forgot to mention it was the King of Luang Prabang, Chao Manthaturath, who told the Siamese about King Anouvong's plan to attack Siam before the war even started.

The Siamese knew well in advance and had time to prepare for Chao Anou. Yes, when the war started we had a bunch of traitors who helped the Siamese, but giving out a national secret/blue print/plan of attack is pretty much giving away the war itself.

I believe Your Wrong about this, Chao Anouvongs Army made its way all the way to Khorat, the King of Siam still had no idea. So which one is it? there was no Siamese army between Anouvongs army and Bangkok when he arrived in Khorat, i thought you had read "Flags of Configurations." His best chance was to attack siam right away but instead he decided to camp out in Khorat giving the Siamese time to gather up an army to defend Bangkok.

It was one of Anouvongs Generals, Lord Tissa who was against the war from the begining and he sent a letter to the King of Siam that he was against Anouvongs actions against Siam.

From the Chronicles of Vientiane:

The Viceroy Tissa never agreed with Anu's actions, while he was at Yasatorn he met Phra Suriyabhakti, a Thai nobleman and his friend, who was up there on the mission of censusing the people. He had a secret meeting with the latter and asked him to report to the king of Bangkok that he disagreed with all this and that he was still faithful to the King of Bangkok. He then gave the letter a letter giving him free passage home. Phra Suriyabhakti then hurried back to Bangkok. On his way he stopped to see King Anu and gave him the ltter from Viceroy Tissa. The letter said that the bearer was on the side of Tissa and he was to go down on a secret mission to bangkok in order to try to move all the Lao of Bangkok back. Phra Suriyabhakti passed by the army of Prince Ratsavong who was on his way back towards Korat with the Lao of Saraburi, he was going to have Phra Suriyabhakti arrested when the nobles opposed saying that it would be against the will of King Anu.

Prince Tissa controlled parts of Anou's army, as soon has the Thai army was close to Vientiane, Tissa submitted his troops to the Thai army. Other then Tissa, the other True Traitors are the royal family of Champasack, who lead an uprising in Southern Laos against Chao Yo's army, hunted Chao Yo and Chao Souvanna down when they were retreating back to Vientiane, after capturing them they turned them over to the Siamese army.... These are the Real traitors of the Lao ppl, the Champasack royal family and Prince Tissa.

The case of Tissa came along later when the war with Siam was taking place...

This is when the war with Siam didn't start yet.

Listen to Legacy of Chao Anouvong. So basically the Siamese knew well in advance before the war even took place.

This part Part 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrhF3Q9QwwU

there's contradictions, either they knew or didnt know. Anouvongs Army was in Khorat and the King of Siam did not know, Chao Ratsavong was in Saraburi which is in Central Thailand, bringing out the Lao families and taking them back to Vientiane and the King of Siam did not know. The Entire Vientiane Army was on the foot steps of Bangkok and the King of Siam did not know what they were doing there. Chao Anouvong sent messages that it was on its way to Bangkok to back up the Siamese army because there were British War Ships on the western Coast of Siam. If the King of Siam knew Chao Anouvongs army was there to Attack Siam why then was there NO Siamese army between Bangkok and Khorat at the time of Chao Anouvongs arrival in Khorat.

The Royal Family of Champasack was the reason Vientiane was burnt to the ground the first time were they not? Vientiane was trying to regain lost territory from the rouge nobles who took parts of Vientiane and created Champasack, Champasack is apart of Vientiane. The King of Vientiane tried to retake southern Vientiane (Champasack) back when the nobles of Champasack wrote to Siam for help, Taksin sent up RamaI to attack Vientiane from the request of Champasack. RamaI destroyed Vientiane taking the royal family, Chao Naresan, Chao Inthavong, Chao Anouvong and other back to Bangkok.

When Chao Anouvong became King and attacked Siam, it was the same nobles of Champasack who lead an uprising in Southern Laos against Chao Anouvong and his sons. These same nobles hunted Chao Yo and Chao Souvanna down while they were trying to escape and turned them over to the Siamese where they were executed.

So twice did Champasack aid and help Destroy Vientiane, and it is these same family of Champasack who ruled there until the french came in. Champasack family were the Main supporters of Siam, how did they become so rich? they got rich from the destruction of Vientiane, perhaps they where rewarded by Siam for all the help in destroying the Kingdom of Vientaine.

What happen in Loungprabang, after the conflict was over, Siam sent soilders to Loungprabang and had several nobles arrested and taken back to Siam where they were executed because they would not help Siam against Vientiane. After several demands from Siam to aid them, Loungprabang still stayed neutral.

While Loungprabang refused to help Siam, Champasack was leading an uprising against Vietiane, actual fighting and trying to Kill vientiane soilders, hunting them down for Siam. Southen Lao ppl are not welcome in Nothern Laos, i was just with some older Lao ppl today, and they told me one time they had jobs in Loungprabang, they were Southerners, as soon as they opened their mouths they felt threated and had to leave and go back, dispite that they were their to workl. Several of my relatives always have negative things to say about Southern Lao ppl, saying they can not be trusted, and always Lie.

I think you're forgetting to take into account the rivalry between Luang Prabang and Vientiane. First time when Taksin of Thonburi attacked Vientiane, Luang Prabang sent 3000 soldiers to help attack Vientiane.

Listen to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrC5_4jazDg...feature=related

both the north and the south had a role to play in the destruction of vientiane in the first conflict, because vientiane tried to unite the kingdom, it was always vientiane who tried to fight and regain lanxang's glory. this we can certainly agree with, the fighting spirit was always with the ppl and the kings of vientiane.

but im just pointing out, why many ppl dismiss what champasack role in the destruction of Vientiane, ppl always try to blame Loungprabang or Xiengkhouang nobles. when Champasack nobles were the worse by far, and they are the most illigit royals out of ALL the noble families.

one can say, Xiengkhouangs royal line is the most complete bloodline since the time of Khun Borom, they ruled Xiengkhouang since the time of Khun Borom. Loungprabang is second, there was a brief period inbetween Lao rule when the khmu/khmers retook the city, and there seems to be a strong connection between them and Chiangsean bloodline of Khun Borom, and Vientiane came from the house of Loungprabang from Chao Setthaya. But Champasack are rouge nobles from Vientiane who tried to split vientiane and keep it for themselves, if Siam did not interfer, The Royal House of Vientiane would of taken care of business like in the past and wiped them all out, in other words, they shouldnt even exist, there shouldnt even be a royal house of Champasack, its all made up, just like "Thai" meaning free is made up....

LOUNG PRABANG & CHAMPASAK did the right thing. Their prediction came true. Mess with Thai, we will rip the kingdom out of you.

ur Khamen dude, Thai dont consider khamen as thai,

in other words, I dont reconize the existance of the Champasack royal house, They are traitors spy's created by Siam to split Vientiane into two kingdoms. Champasack shouldnt even exist, they took vientiane land and created an artifical Kingdom that exist purely on the whim of Siam.

as i stated before if Siam did not interfer, The King of Vientiane would of wiped out this group of rouge nobles and executed all of them for treason. these nobles who created Champasack took advantage of the chaos when Lanxang broke up by spliting up the Kingdom of Vientiane, making Vientaine even weaker, after the smoke cleared and Vientaine was able to regroup, the King of Vientiane was about to take care of business and make those rouge nobles pay for spliting the kingdom up until Siam steped in. Champasack was just another way Siam could keep Lao ppl in check by spliting them apart even more.

YAY IM GAY BY THE WAY MY LAO PEOPLE SAY ITS SO GAY THE DAY I TOLD THEM

KEEP GUESSING, maybe just maybe one day you find out my real identity.

No, U dont understand, Your a Native Khamen living in Thailand, ur pii nong is Khamen in Cambodia. ur ancestories are Khamen ppl, understand dude?

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My Pop told me, we came from Burma, then settled in Thailand way back. What do you inverted d!ck LAOSER like you know, living in LAO must be tough enough.

You're ancestor are Siamese and Siamese arrived from Khmer line and family trees.

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Thai People in general're so racist, my half bro's Mon , my auntie's Chinese-Khmer Thai, and.... My family's just so diversified dude.

Apologize for the distraction, folks.
Let get back to the TOPIC:

Why Chao Anuvong decided to invade "THAILAND", unification purpose?
Why North & South of Lao (Luang PraBang & Champasaak) didn't seem to be compromised with the Vieng Chang's Agenda?

[size="5"][/size][font="Arial Black"][/font] First of all, I don't really care who become the KING or President of Laos, I just want the Royal Laotians and the Hmong people who care enough to talk about it do something. Protest! RALLY! Whatever that will bring the country of Laos to become a demecratic country. All Laotians should be embarrass because Laos is one of the POOREST country in the world. All Laotians and Hmong plus Iu Mein and others tribes should join together to change Laos to a better country for OUR CHILDREN and CHILDREN'S CHILDREN. Many of us are old and soon will pass away and if we do not do anything... in the next century our children will suffer the same cause and live with the same country.



Secondly, I just want to say Laotians are not being supportive. Hmong people are not originally from Laos and they willing to sacrified their life for Laos but the Laotian just sit and cross their legs and arms to see what happen. In history 1949, Touby Lyfong saved King of Laos from the pen from the Japanese and the King of Laos and the French want to give Laos to the Hmong people to take ok but Touby was too Loyal to the King of Laos. He told the French and the King, NO. Hmong has a long history with Laos but Hmong are still in pain. Where's all the Laotians at when it comes to the Hmong people. For example, General Vang Pao was acused of over thrown the Lao government and hundreds thousands of Hmong all over the world supported but the Laotian stay still, didn't make a move to support the Hmong people. This is the same toward the Iu Mien too. Without General Vang Pao's contract with the CIA, we the HMONG, LAOTIAN, KHU and IU MIEN will not be here in the United States. We would be all DEAD in DUST... and SOIL...



Thirdly, interm of Laos: Laos is a poor country because they are not helping themselves. United States and many other country aid Laos with hundreds of millions of dollars every year to help to inprove development, economy and engineering(electricity) power but the Laos govermento split and spent with the family clans. For example, there were thousands of pounds of bombs dropped in Laos during the secret war and now Lao ask for millions on dollars to remove them but guess what. Lao government didn't use those money to help remove those bombs but split it among themselves. And the bombs were left not bother to collect but whenever anyone step on or dig on to the bomb and snap on them. Laos goverment used these people to be the workers who collect bombs from fields that is why they were dead.

Lastly, Pathet Lao accused and throw all the troubles to the Hmong people in the jungle. Any explosion or tragedy that happened in Laos, the government blames on the Hmong people. A bus tip over, it was the Hmong people. A robbery on the road, it was the Hmong people. The Hmong people are always the bad people. However, here is a MESAGE! for the LAOTIAN who want to KILL the HMONG people. HMONG ARE ALL OVER THE WORLD NOW. IF YOU WANT TO RIP OF THEM, YOU WILL HAVE FIND ALL OF THEM. IF YOU LET ONE ESCAPED, YOU WILL SUFFER MUCH GREATER...

You should stop listening to all the nonsense you hear from your Old Hmong ppl, You Know Nothing about Laos, its laughable...

Laos was the 3rd fastest growing economy in Asia last year at 9%, they held the SEA games in Vientiane just last year. I was just there a few months ago, there is so much construction, all the highways are being widen, another bridge is being built in Thaket and many more Highways are being built all across the country.

Laos is only communist by name, it has an open market economy, Lao pp. are free to travel anywhere they want with no restrictions.

The French want to give Laos to the Hmong? LOLZZZZ you must be smoking to much of that opinion you hmong have been growing in the mountains, Like the French would ever allow the Hmong to do anything, You hmong are like slaves, your only purpose is to follow directions of other ppl...

The Richest ppl I know in Laos are not in the communist party, they are business owners and ppl who make their own money. So stop spreading your lies meow If you Hmong dont like Laos, i suggest you Hmong go back to China.

I personally don't care who runs the country as long as he or she is qualified and capable of making the country better. Currently the county is running by a bunch of morons who doesn't know how to do anything except asking for a handout from the rest of the world. This got to stop!

Lao government realized and opening up the country. Many country are helping Laos. You will see ASEAN community soon.