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lilasiankid
QUOTE (KojTusMeHavnim @ Sep 9 2009, 10:05 PM) *
True, the word Miao was invented the Miao people themselves centuries ago. Later down in history other Asians added a new meaning to it, a very insulting new meaning. As far as I know, it's mostly the Hmong in SEA that do not like to be called Miao or Meo. So, can we say the new meaning was given when they migrated to SEA? My dad claimed it started when they moved to SEA and Hmong people didn't like being called wandering cats in the jungles by the Laos. There are still Hmong in China who calls themselves Miao, is it because they have no other choice or they don't find it offense? If you listen to some of Mim Haam's (Mee Hang) song, she uses the word Miao. Actually, I only know one but I'm sure there's more.

I don't mind being called Miao. Infact, I even like the word because it's ancient. Miao is an old term. When I meet Chinese and they ask what I am, I tell them I'm Hmong and they would usually become clueless. So, I know I would have to tell them I'm Miao if I didn't want to do a lot of explaining. When I do tell them I'm Miao, they go, "Oh, I what the Miao people are." Yes, I do know there are many subgroups of Miaos but oh well..


In China it is simply a term to refer to our people that's been in use for ages, if there ever was a derogatory meaning, it's been lost completely. HMONG, yes HMONG like us, speaking our dialect, from China call themselves "Miao" when speaking in Chinese.

It became derogatory in Southeast Asia. Originally, their term "Meo" is derived from Chinese "Miao" but it began to be used in a derogatory manner. Their word for "cat" sounds similar, something like "Maew".
KojTusMeHavnim
So all these stuff were hear some Hmong people say like Miao means Barbarians in Chinese isn't true, is it?
If it really means Barbarian I wouldn't think the Miaos would still be calling themselves Miaos anymore. If it really did mean Barbarians then I don't think it means that anymore.

Cat in Chinese carries a different tone from answers I got from Mandarin speaking folks.

So, the derogatory term did start in SEA.. Who heard different stories beside this one? I just want to make sure before I buy into anything.
So, if it did start in SEA, who started it first, the Lao or Viet? I'm just curious.
MiCC
i passed a miao city(苗市) while in hunan im guessing alot hmongs live there
lengchai
QUOTE (MiCC @ Sep 11 2009, 04:10 AM) *
i passed a miao city(苗市) while in hunan im guessing alot hmongs live there


you went to China? I think alot of Miao/Hmong live in Guizhou
lilasiankid
QUOTE (KojTusMeHavnim @ Sep 11 2009, 02:45 AM) *
So all these stuff were hear some Hmong people say like Miao means Barbarians in Chinese isn't true, is it?
If it really means Barbarian I wouldn't think the Miaos would still be calling themselves Miaos anymore. If it really did mean Barbarians then I don't think it means that anymore.

Cat in Chinese carries a different tone from answers I got from Mandarin speaking folks.

So, the derogatory term did start in SEA.. Who heard different stories beside this one? I just want to make sure before I buy into anything.
So, if it did start in SEA, who started it first, the Lao or Viet? I'm just curious.


In Mandarin, cat is MAO (Maub) , Miao is pronounced "miv-yauv"

In Lao and Thai it is pronounced "Maew" pronounced the same but slightly different tone so it sounds almost identical. Viet also call it the same, "Meo". I don't know who started it but it sure caught on with the Lao. embarassedlaugh.gif
KojTusMeHavnim
QUOTE (lilasiankid @ Sep 11 2009, 06:49 AM) *
In Mandarin, cat is MAO (Maub) , Miao is pronounced "miv-yauv"

In Lao and Thai it is pronounced "Maew" pronounced the same but slightly different tone so it sounds almost identical. Viet also call it the same, "Meo". I don't know who started it but it sure caught on with the Lao. embarassedlaugh.gif

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Viet also call it the same, "Meo".


BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lengchai
i choose Miao over Hmong.
lilasiankid
I choose Mew!

lengchai
I choose Mewtwo!

My mom pronouce Mewtwo as Miao zu. LOL
Manleow
QUOTE (KojTusMeHavnim @ Sep 11 2009, 03:45 AM) *
So all these stuff were hear some Hmong people say like Miao means Barbarians in Chinese isn't true, is it?
If it really means Barbarian I wouldn't think the Miaos would still be calling themselves Miaos anymore. If it really did mean Barbarians then I don't think it means that anymore.

Cat in Chinese carries a different tone from answers I got from Mandarin speaking folks.

So, the derogatory term did start in SEA.. Who heard different stories beside this one? I just want to make sure before I buy into anything.
So, if it did start in SEA, who started it first, the Lao or Viet? I'm just curious.

Lao word for Cat and Lao word for Hmong are pronounced differently or different tones

I never heard anyone call a Hmong person as Cat? so i dont know where it all comes from. The tone for the two words are absolutely different. The word for Hmong is pretty much the same as how an american cartoon would sound when a cat makes that cat sound, "Meow" the word for Hmong has more of an "a" vowel in the middle like Miao.
retaxis
i hate it when people link race with pride. Reminds me of fat loser stormfront supremacists who sit around their computer all day complaining, on the dole, with no partner, just complaining.

have pride in something you achieve, don't walk around like some loser thinking your all that
hitmonxiong
QUOTE (retaxis @ Nov 11 2009, 10:34 AM) *
i hate it when people link race with pride. Reminds me of fat loser stormfront supremacists who sit around their computer all day complaining, on the dole, with no partner, just complaining.

have pride in something you achieve, don't walk around like some loser thinking your all that


I agree with you whole-heartly knowing that alot of people are like this... especially with many arrogant minded freaks that needs reality check.

But how does this statement pertain to the overall ethnic name: Miao? I think some people could choose to be proud not because of pride but the

history that positively connotates with it
HmoobThaibTeb
well, i'm hmong. then i say i'm chinese, thai, and lao.
sundincubus
QUOTE (mIna @ Jan 15 2005, 02:46 PM) *
by the way if someone here totally knows everything about the miao/hmong why don't you write a new history book.. i'm just here to find facts and details ... not to lie... =/


I truly believe what u claim as fact isn't fact. I dont know where u got ur sources but it doesnt mean it's fact. saying ur proud to be labeled as "Miao" is the equivalant of calling a black person N*gger.

if ur looking for the truth why not just ask ur parents? growing up, I was told the true meaning behind why chinese and laos called Hmongs as "Miao." from what I know, "miao" was and is use to demonize hmongs as savages. it's a demeaning term.

still proud to be labeled as miao?

believe what u want but not this hmong. and should any ignorant bad mouth lao come-up and called me "miao" I'll punch this ignorant @$$-clown so hard even his mom will feel it. By the time his face heal he'll know what a crooked elephant nose looks like.
hitmonxiong
QUOTE (sundincubus @ Jul 9 2010, 12:59 AM) *
I truly believe what u claim as fact isn't fact. I dont know where u got ur sources but it doesnt mean it's fact. saying ur proud to be labeled as "Miao" is the equivalant of calling a black person N*gger.

if ur looking for the truth why not just ask ur parents? growing up, I was told the true meaning behind why chinese and laos called Hmongs as "Miao." from what I know, "miao" was and is use to demonize hmongs as savages. it's a demeaning term.

still proud to be labeled as miao?

believe what u want but not this hmong. and should any ignorant bad mouth lao come-up and called me "miao" I'll punch this ignorant @$$-clown so hard even his mom will feel it. By the time his face heal he'll know what a crooked elephant nose looks like.



You don't want to associate with the greater Miao? You and your Hmong history goes back only so far... 1900s?

Regardless, the past is irrelevant. Why don't you go and ask all the native americans to change their names. Oh wait, does that contradict their

history and land claims?
sundincubus
QUOTE (hitmonxiong @ Jul 9 2010, 08:13 AM) *
You don't want to associate with the greater Miao? You and your Hmong history goes back only so far... 1900s?

Regardless, the past is irrelevant. Why don't you go and ask all the native americans to change their names. Oh wait, does that contradict their

history and land claims?

ur right, the past is irrelevant and changing names wont put a stop to what those hans/vietcong dogs/rotten fish bad mouth pathet lao's demeaning term. Unlike those that doesnt fully understand the true meaning behind "miao," im sure as hell aint gonna be proud to be label as "miao."
ying001
This is interesting but all I know is that I'm "Hmong". Also when I surf thr the net, the Hmong chinese know what "Hmong" as well.
DOUBLEMINT
What does 五毒教 have to do with miao people?
NkaujNtxawm
We have already been mainly recognized among the public as Hmong (MONG) in America and some other Western countries, so keep it that way! However.... our motherland China for thousands of years have known us as Miao. Telling them we are Hmong, they wouldn't have a clue. When you're traveling abroad back to China, just remember to say you are Miao and that you are the ones from America that migrated a few hundred years back.
TruthNeverKnown
QUOTE (KojTusMeHavnim @ Sep 11 2009, 03:45 AM) *
So all these stuff were hear some Hmong people say like Miao means Barbarians in Chinese isn't true, is it?
If it really means Barbarian I wouldn't think the Miaos would still be calling themselves Miaos anymore. If it really did mean Barbarians then I don't think it means that anymore.

If you ever come across any "angry youths" ranting irrational racist/derogatory hard words against other country/people, please just ignore them although they may have a point

Miao it self doesn't mean barbarian.
As a matter of fact, Miao/Tibetan/Li/Qiang/many other ethnic groups that belong to Sino-Tibetan language family very likely have the same root.
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