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Iron Malayan
Based on solid evidence gathered,I am fully convinced that the Malays were the first people to build ships of over 1,000 tons.

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The report of the Chinese ambassador to Cambodia in 260, Kang Tai, referred to ‘great junks’ with seven sails, belonging to a Malayan or Indonesian state, which voyaged from the Far East to the Roman empire.... Faxian, the Buddhist pilgrim who went to India by land via the silk road in 399, returned to China by sea. He had no difficulty in finding ‘a large merchant-vessel on which there were over two hundred souls’ to take him from Ceylon to Java, and a similar ship to carry him on to Canton. From both east and west, the picture is of a regular, well-established traffic, in particular areas on some scale, using the best shipping of the day 
http://www.upf.es/materials/huma/central/h...als/adshead.htm


Periplus of the Erythraean Sea mention large ships called Colandia sailing from India to Chryse (Malay Peninsula) in the first century CE.

http://www.earth-history.com/India/periplus.htm

Seven masted ancient ships were usually around 2,300 tons with a crew of 650.



An early 16th century Potuguese artist's rendering of Malay ships (Lopo Homen Atlas 1518)

Through the entire first millenium, Malay ships called jongs reigned supreme in the Pacific and Indian oceans.No other race have dominated the oceans for so long.By the 13th century the Chinese managed to catch up in terms of size but their ships were still of the junk type.The construction of magnificent Malay ships gradually ceased with the arrival of revolutionary designs from Europe in the 16th century.Malay ships up to that point were not designed to carry heavy guns on the sides since it was never a good idea for other Asians to attack tall Malay ships carrying hundreds of tough crew members and marines.

A naval engagement between a jong from Aceh and 19 Portuguese ships on their way to attack Malacca in 1511 underscored the difficulties facing any attackers.

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Her sides were so high that no one dared board her from any of the Portuguese ships;naos,caravellas and gales and she remained unscathed by the Portuguese fire because she had four layers of sheathing and the largest Portuguese artillery could only penetrate two.At length the governor sent out his own nao the Flor de la Mar.Inspite of this the jong managed to fend of the Portuguese attacks for two days and two nights and only succumbed when the Portuguese succeeded in removing her rudders which she carried outside as on the barges of Ribatejo
Gaspar Correia 1511


Asian ships were long accustomed to utilizing the entire space on board for cargo and passengers and were caught unprepared to deal with heavily armed Portuguese naos.This is the reason for Portuguese initial successes in SE Asia but once a Malay power, Aceh, copied their ship design, they lost their advantage at sea and were forced into the defensive.



This early 17th century drawing by Godinho de Eredia depicts the siege of Malacca by Aceh.
We can see five small Aceh galleons lining up to trade broadsides with a large Portuguese galleon while another two are firing their stern chasers (rear guns) at the same Portuguese ship.

The Aceh navy was indoctrinated in the Ottoman's style of naval warfare which emphasized the role of large galleys. Galleons were kept small and given secondary roles. Galleons built by Aceh never seemed to exceed 200 tons.The biggest galley therefore has always been the flagship of the Aceh navy.

Since Malay jongs were defenseless against Portuguese naos,they ceased to be built in early 16th century. Malays were forced to build smaller and faster ships. Only Aceh managed to copy European designs due to their close ties with the Ottoman Empire.

By the 17th century, more Malay powers acquired the knowledge to build European style ships.The top tier Malay trading powers were Aceh,Banten,Palembang and Makassar.These kingdoms became extremely wealthy by pepper and spice trading that they were befriended by European powers such as England,France,Denmark,the Ottoman Empire and even Portugal(in Makassar).These European powers may have shared some technical knowledge with their Malay allies in order to counter the strength of the Dutch East Indies Company (VOC).

Middle tier Malay powers like Johor and Jambi only had frigate type ships called grabs (ghorabs) as their biggest warships.According to the book History of Johor by RO Winstedt, 17th century Johor had between 100-200 units of two and three masted grabs.

Since I can't find pictures of Malay grabs, these pics of Indian ones give us some idea of what they looked like.It is worth noting that Indians only began building grabs in the 18th century.



Tenjikuronin
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Jan 14 2005, 12:21 AM)
It is worth noting that Indians only began building grabs in the 18th century. 


Actually, as far as I know, Indians had been and were building grabs before the 18th century, with one of the earliest records being from 1632.

http://www.bibliomania.com/2/3/260/1286/20...1/frameset.html
Iron Malayan
Some 17th century Moghul ships like the 40 gun Ganj-i-Sawai were huge.

QUOTE (Tenjikuronin @ Jan 14 2005, 11:15 PM)
Actually, as far as I know, Indians had been and were building grabs before the 18th century, with one of the earliest records being from 1632.

http://www.bibliomania.com/2/3/260/1286/20...1/frameset.html
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BTW I can't find anything in this link stating that grabs were built by Indians in the 17th century.
Tenjikuronin
QUOTE (Iron Malayan @ Jan 15 2005, 02:06 AM)
Some 17th century Moghul ships like the 40 gun Ganj-i-Sawai were huge.


BTW I can't find anything in this link stating that grabs were built by Indians in the 17th century.


My appologies, I accidentally gave you the date 1632, when it was actually 1684.

But what I was reffereing to on that link was the following entry....

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[1684.—“The Mucaddam [MOCUDDUM] of this shibar bound for Goa.”—Yule, in Hedges’ Diary, Hak. Soc. II. clxv.; also see clxxxiv.


The above entry was written by an observer who was stating that The Mucaddam of the shibar (which is a equivalent to a half garb) is headed for Goa. The fact that an observer (most likely British from the name) is observeing an Indian Muccadam heading to Goa in a shibar, shows that shibars were at least being made and used in 1684.
Protoculture
Kudos to you Iron Malayan .....

Darn, now I know the majestic Malay naval power which last time was limlited to text or verbal version only, but the firepower as provided by the images show our supremacies in Sout East Asia's waterways long ago ....

What a pity that both Malaysia & Indonesia no longer have such powerful navies as being fielded by our great ancestors ....
Iron Malayan
Vessels used for regional shipping and fishing in 16th century Java.

Nusantara
Phinisi (also Pinishi and Pinisi) is a traditional Indonesian ship similar to those which have sailed the Indonesian archipelago for a thousand years mostly built by Bugisnese/Makasar from Sulawesi.

All about these Galeon/Vessel/Ship built by Indonesian and Malaysian showing us how superior and sohisticated Indonesian and Malaysian culture even long before the pre-islamic/hindu/budhist culture.

These people have ruled the sea in Asia reach to Madagascar since thousand years ago.



Iron Malayan


17th century Palembang. The cluster of large European style galleons in the center are marked as "Kings Biggest Ships" while smaller ships on the extreme right are the "Kings Vessels"
HangPC2
Kanu Laut (Kelantan)

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Baranggay (Mindanao & Sulu)

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Kapal Layar ( Pantai Timur)

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http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/2569/ma...alayeast0ts.gif

Kolek Lumba Kaki (Singapura)

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Kolek Melayu @ Kanu Laut

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Kanu Nelayan (Singapura)

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Sampan Singapura (Singapura)

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Tongkang Singapura (Singapura)

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Kanu Nelayan Singora (Singora)

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Kapal Layar Bugis (Bugis Makassar)

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HangPC2
Kapal Layar Naga Pelangi



http://www.naga-pelangi.de/Naga_2/malay/history_my.htm




Sources : http://www.naga-pelangi.de/
dreamhunter
QUOTE(Nusantara @ Feb 21 2005, 02:04 AM) [snapback]727226[/snapback]
Phinisi (also Pinishi and Pinisi) is a traditional Indonesian ship similar to those which have sailed the Indonesian archipelago for a thousand years mostly built by Bugisnese/Makasar from Sulawesi.

All about these Galeon/Vessel/Ship built by Indonesian and Malaysian showing us how superior and sohisticated Indonesian and Malaysian culture even long before the pre-islamic/hindu/budhist culture.

These people have ruled the sea in Asia reach to Madagascar since thousand years ago.





First of all, bravo to Iron Malayan for giving us stuff, in the form of hard evidence, to remind us Malays of ancient Malay glory. We need that as motivation to re-elevate our Malay nation to heights it had once achieved before.

Now, about the Phinisi/Pinishi/Pinisi ship, could that have been inspired by the renown Finukh (Phoenician) ships of ancient Lebanon, hence its name?
maldini
QUOTE(dreamhunter @ Feb 20 2008, 12:08 PM) [snapback]3510242[/snapback]
First of all, bravo to Iron Malayan for giving us stuff, in the form of hard evidence, to remind us Malays of ancient Malay glory. We need that as motivation to re-elevate our Malay nation to heights it had once achieved before.


as i always said, what's the point of proud over the history? in fact, if i were u i would have ashame with myself why others can progress a lot better even though we were a lot better than them previously? with so much advantages in msia alone, yet you still cant compete with others... thumbsdown.gif
allah
QUOTE(dreamhunter @ Feb 19 2008, 11:08 PM) [snapback]3510242[/snapback]
First of all, bravo to Iron Malayan for giving us stuff, in the form of hard evidence, to remind us Malays of ancient Malay glory. We need that as motivation to re-elevate our Malay nation to heights it had once achieved before.

Now, about the Phinisi/Pinishi/Pinisi ship, could that have been inspired by the renown Finukh (Phoenician) ships of ancient Lebanon, hence its name?


What ancient glory ?your glory are in the jungle.
kumanddie
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dreamhunter
QUOTE(allah @ Feb 20 2008, 11:57 PM) [snapback]3512717[/snapback]
What ancient glory ?your glory are in the jungle.


If you Siamese hadn't conspired with the Portuguese to bring down Malacca, we would have invaded n conquered your glorious Ayutthaya, whose culture you plagiarised from the Mon n the Khmer, which you're still plagiarising to this day.
dreamhunter
QUOTE(maldini @ Feb 19 2008, 11:22 PM) [snapback]3510275[/snapback]
as i always said, what's the point of proud over the history? in fact, if i were u i would have ashame with myself why others can progress a lot better even though we were a lot better than them previously? with so much advantages in msia alone, yet you still cant compete with others... thumbsdown.gif


Yes. So it's only Chinese people who r allowed to be proud of their history n culture. N other peoples r not supposed to be proud of theirs. Cos it's inferior to Chinese culture, eh Maldini?
allah
QUOTE(dreamhunter @ Feb 21 2008, 01:38 AM) [snapback]3512891[/snapback]
If you Siamese hadn't conspired with the Portuguese to bring down Malacca, we would have invaded n conquered your glorious Ayutthaya, whose culture you plagiarised from the Mon n the Khmer, which you're still plagiarising to this day.

hey stupid malay man,which post i mention i am a thai ,you stupid comment are insult to thai member here ,i just join today and i a muslim,you malay only live in jungle ,portugis only have fewer than 1000 people and manage to defeat malay ,what a useless muslim .
dreamhunter
QUOTE(allah @ Feb 21 2008, 02:25 AM) [snapback]3512991[/snapback]
hey stupid malay man,which post i mention i am a thai ,you stupid comment are insult to thai member here ,i just join today and i a muslim,you malay only live in jungle ,portugis only have fewer than 1000 people and manage to defeat malay ,what a useless muslim .


At first I thought you're just a stupid Siam cretin. Now I know you're a stupid, blasphemous Thai Muslim who uses 'Allah' as his nickname. You'd better recite the shahadat again now. N you'd better change our nic. Otherwise, this will be the last time that you'll get a response from me. I'm not going to have anything to do with a guy who calls himself 'Allah' ever again.
allah
QUOTE(dreamhunter @ Feb 21 2008, 02:55 AM) [snapback]3513059[/snapback]
At first I thought you're just a stupid Siam cretin. Now I know you're a stupid, blasphemous Thai Muslim who uses 'Allah' as his nickname. You'd better recite the shahadat again now. N you'd better change our nic. Otherwise, this will be the last time that you'll get a response from me. I'm not going to have anything to do with a guy who calls himself 'Allah' ever again.

Hey stupid malay ,i not not thai muslim ,i only say i am a muslim ,you malay no wonder a racist people on earth and bring shame to my religion ,Islam .
kelantanese
U dont look like a muslim, u cannot use Allah name as ur nick, u r not the GOD. Mod plz ban this user. plz.
maldini
QUOTE(dreamhunter @ Feb 21 2008, 02:42 PM) [snapback]3512903[/snapback]
Yes. So it's only Chinese people who r allowed to be proud of their history n culture. N other peoples r not supposed to be proud of theirs. Cos it's inferior to Chinese culture, eh Maldini?

first of all, when did i say only chinese can proud of themself bcos of their great history?
what i am trying to say is, how many times u actually see any chinese posted their great ancient history and brag about it? we learn from history and think of how to improve.. not live in the past!
nasilemang
QUOTE(allah @ Feb 21 2008, 03:24 AM) [snapback]3513126[/snapback]
Hey stupid malay ,i not not thai muslim ,i only say i am a muslim ,you malay no wonder a racist people on earth and bring shame to my religion ,Islam .

You are a troll, no Muslim would use allah especially with lower case for his/her nickname.
HangPC2
dari citer pasal kapal laut terus ke topik kutuk agama orang lak ... confused.gif
kumanddie
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dreamhunter
Ada kawan baru kita tu bidaah gila. Pakai nickname pun, tinggi benar. Mungkin dia ingat dia sama tinggi dgn Tuhan. Baiklah kita buat tak tau saja sama dia.
dreamhunter
QUOTE(maldini @ Feb 21 2008, 07:25 PM) [snapback]3514644[/snapback]
first of all, when did i say only chinese can proud of themself bcos of their great history?
what i am trying to say is, how many times u actually see any chinese posted their great ancient history and brag about it? we learn from history and think of how to improve.. not live in the past!

But it's OUR past. It's our right if we want to return to it, play games in it, have discussions about it, whatever, once in a while. Why are you so CONCERNED about it?

We all know how humble you Chinese are. N you keep reminding others of that humility too, don't you? Humility my arse.
Betong
QUOTE(maldini @ Feb 21 2008, 07:25 PM) [snapback]3514644[/snapback]
how many times u actually see any chinese posted their great ancient history and brag about it?

That because we live in Malaysia not China, my friend.
AwangPembela
QUOTE(maldini @ Feb 21 2008, 07:25 PM) [snapback]3514644[/snapback]
first of all, when did i say only chinese can proud of themself bcos of their great history?
what i am trying to say is, how many times u actually see any chinese posted their great ancient history and brag about it? we learn from history and think of how to improve.. not live in the past!


Perhaps it's because we're such small insignificant cultures, so inferior, so insecure, compared to your great Chinese culture, the greatest culture of all time, that we need to chat among ourselves occassionally about our past history, culture etc. etc. etc.

You can see the same sort of thing going on in the Thai, Khmer, Indonesian, Vietnamese, Laotian etc. etc. spaces.

Excuse me, but who r you to tell us that we can't do even that? In our own country?

Our own country that was generous enough, benign enough, magnanimous enough, perhaps stupid enough, to let your ancestors come n settle here 150 years ago.
polisrichard
Topik yg sgt menarikk,
Iron Malayan.. rockon.gif rockon.gif
Hebat org Melayu ni,
Amik panduan supaya org melayu skang boleh setanding dgn ape yg nenek moyang kite capai dulu,
sampai setaraf dengan empayar China,
pedulik kan mangkuk tandas 2 bijik tu,
diord jeles tu
nak lagi2
dreamhunter
Ya lah.

Ada setengah tu, ok juga.

Ada yg lain tu, kdg2 ingat bangsa dia aja yang bagus sangat, bangsa lain semua tak bagus.
spikerserum
aaahh...pedulik je yang lain

bangsa melayu jugak yang bagus...amin ya rabbal alamin.
AwangPembela
Ya lah. Ini kan negeri Melayu/Bumiputera. Kenalah Melayu/Bumiputera yang top kan?
ucoptripod
QUOTE(allah @ Feb 21 2008, 02:25 AM) [snapback]3512991[/snapback]
hey stupid malay man,which post i mention i am a thai ,you stupid comment are insult to thai member here ,i just join today and i a muslim,you malay only live in jungle ,portugis only have fewer than 1000 people and manage to defeat malay ,what a useless muslim .


Ini bangsa yg nak provoke Melayu n Islam..Better to live in the jungle than live with these viruses..Viruses that got FREE Malaysian citizenship...
dreamhunter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Turkish_Navy

Barbarossa Hayreddin Pasha of Ottoman Turkey defeating the Holy League of Charles V under the command of Andrea Doria at the Battle of Preveza in 1538

Turkish Navy - Operations in the Indian Ocean
In the meantime, the Ottoman Indian Ocean Fleet, based in Suez and Basra, defeated the Portuguese forces on several occasions near the Arabian peninsula, conquering Aden and Yemen (1538–1539) which were important Portuguese ports, along with Jeddah and Hijaz on the Red Sea coast.

Between 1547 and 1548, Yemen was reconquered from the Portuguese, while in the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea, other important Portuguese ports such as Oman, Hormuz and Qatar were conquered in 1552.

In 1565 the Sultanate of Aceh in Sumatra (Indonesia) declared allegiance to the Ottoman Empire, and in 1569 the Ottoman fleet of Kurtoğlu Hızır Reis set foot on Aceh, which marked the easternmost Ottoman territorial expansion.

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It seems that the Ottoman Turks were darn good at whuppin Portuguese arse.

Question: How come Melaka was so slow to get Turkish assistance in 1511? Which would hv enabled it to whup the Portuguese, instead of allowing them to take a foothold in the Semenanjung.
datumarco
QUOTE (kumanddie @ Feb 21 2008, 12:46 AM) *
About Malay ship. If you asked ship's crew what is ballast , they will say that this is a water to stabilise the ship. the BALLAST word is similar to BALAS in Malay. this mean world people were copying Malay technolgical knowledge in building a modern ship.


our malay ancestors sailed away from the court of jayanegera in madjapahit borneo towards the visayan islands of the philippines. They use the balangay/baranggay ships which can carry a few hundred. Our villages are called baranggays - basic filipino politcal unit because our settlements were organized among these lines. I agree that weterners may have copied the malay technical knowledge in seafaring. The word balas - means sand in the karay a language of the central visayas - philippines, its used as ballasts to equalize the weight of water with the boat. westerners also copied the outrigger design which is malay in origin.

we also used another boat called birey - these are colony/trading ships. our ancestors roamed the seas and had contacts with the rest of the malay world. in face our language was similar with the rest of malaysia and indonesia until our languages diverged due to spanish influence among filipinos. the spaniards also employed malay knowledge via filipino labor and manpower. the major shipyards of the spanish empire where they made their galleons. unfortunately they also used filipino manpower in running their ships and patrol against malays from the sulu area. when i refer to malays -- its to the race as a whole, malaysians, indonesians and filipinos did not exist back then. our nations emerged through colonization where we developed and splintered among different paths. magellan's interpreter was a sugbuanon bisaya named by the spanish as enrique - there was no philippines back then and no filipinos. he stayed with the spanish expedition until they reached the mollucas and he interpreted for the spanish - it shows we spoke one language or at least a common lingua franca back then.

most filipinos look towards the west even after a hundred years of independence. three hundred years of foreign domination can do that. but there are some in our generation that still remember our malay roots. the rediscovery of sri vijaya and madjapahit in the late nineteen twenties helped build pride in the malaysians and indonesians of today. our government doesnt really spend lots of money for education or archeology and really doesnt appreciate digging for our past. Our historians follow the western line of thinking and still think we've been discored by the spanish when in fact with been trading with japan and china and india and saudi arabia for thousands of years.. ASEAN is not just a modern creation. IT is an echo of the malays greatest glories. I hope that malaysian and indonesian archeological finding reach the filipinos too.
yana19384
malay ship? whats that?
maharlikangpilipino
How do Malaysian Malays call these boats/ships

In the Philippines, we have these ancient boats called balangay/balanghai/balanghay
filipinoy
QUOTE (maharlikangpilipino @ Jan 20 2011, 02:25 AM) *
How do Malaysian Malays call these boats/ships

In the Philippines, we have these ancient boats called balangay/balanghai/balanghay

didnt barangay came from the same word, maybe thats why we stop using the word balangay.. since the two means completely different things now

so bangka or parao are the words used today
yana19384
ship is called "kapal" in Malay
but theres also "sampan" (the smaller ones on rivers)
and "tongkang" i think but im not sure which one is tongkang
Crystallised Dream
@datumarco: Very interesting post. beerchug.gif

QUOTE (filipinoy @ Jan 29 2011, 07:01 AM) *
didnt barangay came from the same word, maybe thats why we stop using the word balangay.. since the two means completely different things now

so bangka or parao are the words used today


Parao sounds similar to perahu (Malay). Both perahu and sampan mean boat, although sampan would be the smaller of the two.

Tongkang is a type of cargo boat... if we were to arrange the Malay words for these marine vessels from the biggest size to the smallest it would be:
Kapal > Tongkang > Perahu > Sampan
HangPC2
Maritime Southeast Asia to 1500 (1996) :


The Chinese also knew these islanders as builders and as the crews of ocean going vessels engaged in long distance over seas trade. The Chinese in fact appear to have learned much from these sailors. The Malays independently invented a sail, made from woven mats reinforced with bamboo, at least several hundreds years B.C.E and by the time of the Han Dynasty (206 CE to 221 CE) the Chinese were using such sails.



Gaspar Correia :


Her sides were so high that no one dared board her from any of the Portuguese ships ; naos,caravellas and gales and she remained unscathed by the Portuguese fire because she had four layers of sheathing and the largest Portuguese artillery could only penetrate two. At length the governor sent out his own nao the Flor de la Mar. Inspite of this the jong managed to fend of the Portuguese attacks for two days and two nights and only succumbed when the Portuguese succeeded in removing her rudders which she carried outside as on the barges of Ribatejo.



The Golden Chersonese And The Way Thither (1879) :


of the remaining Moorish or Malay Kingdoms, Acheen (Aceh), in Sumatra, was the most powerful, so powerful indeed that its king was able to besiege the great stronghold of malacca (Melaka) more than once with a fleet, according to the annalist of more than five hundred sail, one hundred of which were of greater size than any then constructed in Europe and the warriors and mariners that it bore amounted to sixty thousand commanded by the King in person.



Dom Paulo Lima de Pereira (1587) :


No estreito, e nas estancias defronte da cidade se queimarão passante de mil embarcações entre Juncos ballos, e somas, e muitos balões, queimarão mais dous galeões, oito Gales, e algumas fustas, e lancharas,


In the Strait and the anchorage before the city, more than 1,000 vessels were burnt, among these junks, bâlos, sômas and many balões, two more galleons, eight galleys, some foists and lancharas.



Batalhas e Combates Marinha Portuguesa 1580-1603 :


nos esteiros a norte e a sul da cidade foram incendiados cerca de dois mil navios, entre naus, gales, juncos, galeotas, fustas, lancharas, bantins, champanas e outros de menor porte !
O rei de Jor perdeu quatro mil soldados que lhe foram mortos em combate pelos portugueses e outros três mil que lhe foram mortos durante a retirada pelos javos que levava consigo.


In the estuaries north and south of the city, about two thousand ships were burned, among them naus, galleys, junks, galliot, foists, lancharas, bantins, champanas and other lesser crafts !
The king of Jor (Sultanate Johor) lost four thousand soldiers who have been killed in combat by the Portuguese and three thousand who have been killed during the withdrawal by ‘ javos ’ he carried.



R.A Fletcher - Warships & Their Stories :


The Malays are supposed to have invented the outrigger and this conjecture is based on the fact that wherever the Malay influence is traceable there some form of outrigger or double canoe is to be found also.





Kapal Geliung (Galleon Ship)








Kapal Prua (Proa Ship)








Kapal Kura-kura (Cora-Cora / Turtle Ship)








Kapal / Lanchara / Jong Melayu / Perahu Bersayap







filipinoy
^awesome ships

QUOTE (HangPC2 @ Jan 13 2007, 04:14 AM) *
Kanu Laut (Kelantan)



Baranggay (Mindanao & Sulu)



Kapal Layar ( Pantai Timur)



http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/2569/ma...alayeast0ts.gif

Kolek Lumba Kaki (Singapura)



Kolek Melayu @ Kanu Laut



Kanu Nelayan (Singapura)



Sampan Singapura (Singapura)



Tongkang Singapura (Singapura)



Kanu Nelayan Singora (Singora)



Kapal Layar Bugis (Bugis Makassar)


we Austronesians invented the triangular sails

later adopted by arab & europeans like this arab warship

QUOTE
From about 200BC, the Austronesian triangular sail spread westwards
across the Indian Ocean and became the lateen, which
continued to the Mediterranean and eventually to
Portugal by the 14th century.


http://www.netspeed.com.au/horridge/papers/canoes08.pdf


QUOTE (Crystallised Dream @ Jan 29 2011, 07:19 AM) *
Parao sounds similar to perahu (Malay). Both perahu and sampan mean boat, although sampan would be the smaller of the two.

Tongkang is a type of cargo boat... if we were to arrange the Malay words for these marine vessels from the biggest size to the smallest it would be:
Kapal > Tongkang > Perahu > Sampan

parao/paraw would just be something like this



HangPC2
Parao / Paraw = Perahu
humiliator
QUOTE (dreamhunter @ Feb 14 2009, 02:47 PM) *
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Turkish_Navy

Barbarossa Hayreddin Pasha of Ottoman Turkey defeating the Holy League of Charles V under the command of Andrea Doria at the Battle of Preveza in 1538

Turkish Navy - Operations in the Indian Ocean
In the meantime, the Ottoman Indian Ocean Fleet, based in Suez and Basra, defeated the Portuguese forces on several occasions near the Arabian peninsula, conquering Aden and Yemen (1538–1539) which were important Portuguese ports, along with Jeddah and Hijaz on the Red Sea coast.

Between 1547 and 1548, Yemen was reconquered from the Portuguese, while in the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea, other important Portuguese ports such as Oman, Hormuz and Qatar were conquered in 1552.

In 1565 the Sultanate of Aceh in Sumatra (Indonesia) declared allegiance to the Ottoman Empire, and in 1569 the Ottoman fleet of Kurtoğlu Hızır Reis set foot on Aceh, which marked the easternmost Ottoman territorial expansion.

* * * * *
It seems that the Ottoman Turks were darn good at whuppin Portuguese arse.

Question: How come Melaka was so slow to get Turkish assistance in 1511? Which would hv enabled it to whup the Portuguese, instead of allowing them to take a foothold in the Semenanjung.


First of all, the turks were decisively beaten by the portuguese when they fought each other in india.
But more importantly, Malacca only needed participation of their navy to beat the portuguese in 1511 but the navy took too long to arrive from Lingga.
humiliator
QUOTE (allah @ Feb 21 2008, 03:25 AM) *
hey stupid malay man,which post i mention i am a thai ,you stupid comment are insult to thai member here ,i just join today and i a muslim,you malay only live in jungle ,portugis only have fewer than 1000 people and manage to defeat malay ,what a useless muslim .


Nope. The portuguese had well over 1,000 soldiers. Fully armoured.

The only reason they managed to beat malacca who had superior firearms was because of malay contempt for body armor.

The portuguese only managed to conquer a small piece of real estate. All the malays in malacca easily retreated across the jungle to other malay territories.

humiliator
QUOTE (maldini @ Feb 20 2008, 12:22 AM) *
as i always said, what's the point of proud over the history? in fact, if i were u i would have ashame with myself why others can progress a lot better even though we were a lot better than them previously? with so much advantages in msia alone, yet you still cant compete with others... thumbsdown.gif

Is that why we are trampling on your miserable backward people like dogs ?

This is your aunty living with a malay family as a maid
http://imageshack.us/f/27/makcikahbaburajashahrim.jpg/
humiliator
QUOTE (maldini @ Feb 21 2008, 08:25 PM) *
first of all, when did i say only chinese can proud of themself bcos of their great history?
what i am trying to say is, how many times u actually see any chinese posted their great ancient history and brag about it? we learn from history and think of how to improve.. not live in the past!

Hmm... chinese history.... lets see...
conquered and turned into sex slaves by much smaller nations like mongols and japan.
raided and turned into sex slaves by portuguese and dutch,
treated worse than dogs by europeans occupying coastal cities,
settlers in southeast asia raided and enslaved by dayak tribes and malay pirates,
subjected to horrible scientific experimentations by japanese scientists like lab rats.


INDEED
Your people's "great" history is truly worth bragging about. laugh.gif
humiliator
QUOTE (HangPC2 @ Mar 13 2011, 09:16 PM) *
Dom Paulo Lima de Pereira (1587) :


No estreito, e nas estancias defronte da cidade se queimarão passante de mil embarcações entre Juncos ballos, e somas, e muitos balões, queimarão mais dous galeões, oito Gales, e algumas fustas, e lancharas,


In the Strait and the anchorage before the city, more than 1,000 vessels were burnt, among these junks, bâlos, sômas and many balões, two more galleons, eight galleys, some foists and lancharas.


Yeah
Johor and Acheh were the only nations outside europe that had the capability to build galleons in the 16th century. Even in western europe of that century there were only a handful of nations with this capability.
chutzpah
QUOTE (humiliator @ Apr 10 2011, 07:12 AM) *
Hmm... chinese history.... lets see...
conquered and turned into sex slaves by much smaller nations like mongols and japan.
raided and turned into sex slaves by portuguese and dutch,
treated worse than dogs by europeans occupying coastal cities,
settlers in southeast asia raided and enslaved by dayak tribes and malay pirates,
subjected to horrible scientific experimentations by japanese scientists like lab rats.


INDEED
Your people's "great" history is truly worth bragging about. laugh.gif

Listen here Humility, why do you hate the Chinese so much? Do you hate the Indians as much? I bet you do huh?

Let's see, is it because not only do the Chinese are better educated than you but more successful in general? Their success is not based on government hand out and they are not spoon fed like you are.

They also represent Bolehland Olympic dream, and holder of world records such as Nicole David. The top seed in badminton is a Chinese, the top Wushu in the Asian game is a Chinese, the world no.1 squash player is an Indian, the most famous Bolehland actor is also a Chinese, and the top designers from bolehland are also Chinese.

Infact without the Chinese Bolehland is but a back water, a murky cesspool of a place unless something is done to improve things soon. That tiny dot Singapore a tiny city state out do your country by miles, years ahead of you. And the majority of its citizen, you guess it are Chinese!

So before you start throwing your big fat lies about, have a look the facts and history. What you said is all lies. Even during the Japanese occupation of Malaya it was the Chinese that fought to defend the land.

FYI your deputy PM just returned from a begging trip to China and your PM will follow suit may be next week!

QUOTE (humiliator @ Apr 10 2011, 07:26 AM) *
Yeah
Johor and Acheh were the only nations outside europe that had the capability to build galleons in the 16th century. Even in western europe of that century there were only a handful of nations with this capability.

Keep smoking that ganja and inhaling whatever illicit substance you snort, your hallucinations is hillarious, galleons indeed, what a joke. The only craft your ancestors ever put together is an unseaworthy bamboo raft!
HangPC2
QUOTE (chutzpah @ Apr 26 2011, 08:23 AM) *
Listen here Humility, why do you hate the Chinese so much? Do you hate the Indians as much? I bet you do huh?

Let's see, is it because not only do the Chinese are better educated than you but more successful in general? Their success is not based on government hand out and they are not spoon fed like you are.

They also represent Bolehland Olympic dream, and holder of world records such as Nicole David. The top seed in badminton is a Chinese, the top Wushu in the Asian game is a Chinese, the world no.1 squash player is an Indian, the most famous Bolehland actor is also a Chinese, and the top designers from bolehland are also Chinese.

Infact without the Chinese Bolehland is but a back water, a murky cesspool of a place unless something is done to improve things soon. That tiny dot Singapore a tiny city state out do your country by miles, years ahead of you. And the majority of its citizen, you guess it are Chinese!

So before you start throwing your big fat lies about, have a look the facts and history. What you said is all lies. Even during the Japanese occupation of Malaya it was the Chinese that fought to defend the land.

FYI your deputy PM just returned from a begging trip to China and your PM will follow suit may be next week!


Keep smoking that ganja and inhaling whatever illicit substance you snort, your hallucinations is hillarious, galleons indeed, what a joke. The only craft your ancestors ever put together is an unseaworthy bamboo raft!




Oh No Ching Chong Again.... embarassedlaugh.gif
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