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hershfelder
Alright everyone I got a situation, I seriously need help on. I need Vietnamese people especially to help me with this one. I'm in Love with this girl I have been dating for 2 years now. We haven't seen each other in over a year though. We met in college then started dating. we had the greatest time together in the time we were together. we always played games together, had dinner together, shopping together. we always know how to make each other happy.

Then after college graduation she had to go back to her home country of Vietnam cause her education visa was expiring. so as I am here she went back there and we kept in contact through skype,email, phone calls, instant messaging. then in the summer time last year I filed for fiancée Visa and just 2 weeks ago we got approved for her to come here after she takes the interview.

But a major problem has occurred. Her parents don't like me cause I'm American. a part to understand about this is that they are in their 60's and grew up with the Vietnam which began their hate for Americans. They feel I'm poor and I'm no good for their daughter. here comes another twist, as I have been waiting for her to get approved, I worked my butt off to save cash way. so I could get a place for me and her when she comes here.

but then an issue now that remains as an argument in ways between us is her parents. I understand their tradition and point of view in Vietnam. where I come to her house with her parents there and introduce myself and allow them to know me. Cause who would want to let their daughter go off with a stranger they don't know to another country. I don't know anyone who would allow that. I love and respect Asian culture, which makes this girl that I love so much change my life. if it wasn't for her I don't know what my life would be like.

Her parents want me to come there so I meet her parents and have a ceremony there, then come back to the U.S. with her to do our ceremony, then her parents want us to come back to Vietnam to live forever. But I don't want to do that. How can I convince her that she ain't leaving her parents behind, how could I convince her to say what she has to say to her parents to allow her to accept us for her to come here.

I would fly over there but I'm so unsure, because I don't want to spend over a grand in U.S. money to go there. the flight there is expensive. and if I spend the money to go there we will have almost nothing when we get back from Vietnam. and I want her to live here with me to have a family. Not to mention I get sickness when I travel and I'm afraid to travel alone since my family nor friends want to come over to Vietnam with me. What could I do? her parents stand in the way of Me and my girls chance to be happy together.


I love this girl and I want no other girl, This girl is my everything. she is my angel. She is the reason I strive so hard to meet goals as of the past 2 years. I work so hard to earn all the money i can for our future. I have a nice plan for us in the future, where are kids go to school, where the kids will be born, where we will have our wedding ceremony. I will teach her how to drive. I just don't want to loose her. my life will never be the same without her. Below is a video link of us happy as can be please check it out then comment with advice on what I can do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsDLqG6-GB4
strongbad
QUOTE (hershfelder @ Mar 28 2011, 03:30 PM) *
Cause who would want to let their daughter go off with a stranger they don't know to another country. I don't know anyone who would allow that.



yeah who would let their daugther go to another country and live with strangers? oh I dont know how about the people who paid for her education in america? I find it odd that her parents allow her to study and live in america, but wont allow her to live the rest of her life in america upon completion of school.

QUOTE (hershfelder @ Mar 28 2011, 03:30 PM) *
But a major problem has occurred. Her parents don't like me cause I'm American. a part to understand about this is that they are in their 60's and grew up with the Vietnam which began their hate for Americans.


you say her parents hate americans but sends their daughter to america for an expensive college education.
strongbad
QUOTE (hershfelder @ Mar 28 2011, 03:30 PM) *


You girl looks a lot like her
hershfelder
yea, I know It's complicated. but I really want her back. it's really just the matter of getting her parents to agree to allow her to come here. cause once she passes the interview she gets the Visa then we only got 90 days to make it official according to US laws. but they want me to come there and have a ceremony and stay a month. I don't got that kinda time when I'm up against a US deadline.
Tav6
just tell her parents that you will have the ceremony in vietnam when you guys have enough money and time for it ... make a compromise with them
strongbad
QUOTE (hershfelder @ Mar 28 2011, 05:29 PM) *
yea, I know It's complicated. but I really want her back. it's really just the matter of getting her parents to agree to allow her to come here. cause once she passes the interview she gets the Visa then we only got 90 days to make it official according to US laws. but they want me to come there and have a ceremony and stay a month. I don't got that kinda time when I'm up against a US deadline.


get a loan from the bank and fly back to viet nam, stay for 30 days and fly back and you still have 60 days to meet your deadline.
hershfelder
do banks give loans for travel like that? I don't think they do. What do you think the compromise should be? My fiancée and I told her parents o many ideas already that they turned everything down already except for what they want. we even said she would come here first then we finalize stuff then come right back to Vietnam after all the legal papers and what not from the government is finalized.
cloverleaves
QUOTE (hershfelder @ Mar 28 2011, 06:30 PM) *
Alright everyone I got a situation, I seriously need help on. I need Vietnamese people especially to help me with this one. I'm in Love with this girl I have been dating for 2 years now. We haven't seen each other in over a year though. We met in college then started dating. we had the greatest time together in the time we were together. we always played games together, had dinner together, shopping together. we always know how to make each other happy.

Then after college graduation she had to go back to her home country of Vietnam cause her education visa was expiring. so as I am here she went back there and we kept in contact through skype,email, phone calls, instant messaging. then in the summer time last year I filed for fiancée Visa and just 2 weeks ago we got approved for her to come here after she takes the interview.

But a major problem has occurred. Her parents don't like me cause I'm American. a part to understand about this is that they are in their 60's and grew up with the Vietnam which began their hate for Americans. They feel I'm poor and I'm no good for their daughter. here comes another twist, as I have been waiting for her to get approved, I worked my butt off to save cash way. so I could get a place for me and her when she comes here.

but then an issue now that remains as an argument in ways between us is her parents. I understand their tradition and point of view in Vietnam. where I come to her house with her parents there and introduce myself and allow them to know me. Cause who would want to let their daughter go off with a stranger they don't know to another country. I don't know anyone who would allow that. I love and respect Asian culture, which makes this girl that I love so much change my life. if it wasn't for her I don't know what my life would be like.

Her parents want me to come there so I meet her parents and have a ceremony there, then come back to the U.S. with her to do our ceremony, then her parents want us to come back to Vietnam to live forever. But I don't want to do that. How can I convince her that she ain't leaving her parents behind, how could I convince her to say what she has to say to her parents to allow her to accept us for her to come here.

I would fly over there but I'm so unsure, because I don't want to spend over a grand in U.S. money to go there. the flight there is expensive. and if I spend the money to go there we will have almost nothing when we get back from Vietnam. and I want her to live here with me to have a family. Not to mention I get sickness when I travel and I'm afraid to travel alone since my family nor friends want to come over to Vietnam with me. What could I do? her parents stand in the way of Me and my girls chance to be happy together.


I love this girl and I want no other girl, This girl is my everything. she is my angel. She is the reason I strive so hard to meet goals as of the past 2 years. I work so hard to earn all the money i can for our future. I have a nice plan for us in the future, where are kids go to school, where the kids will be born, where we will have our wedding ceremony. I will teach her how to drive. I just don't want to loose her. my life will never be the same without her. Below is a video link of us happy as can be please check it out then comment with advice on what I can do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsDLqG6-GB4


Let me try to help you out with the little that I know about Vietnamese culture and parents from first-hand experience. Do everything her parents say, and they will like you better. No excuses, and don't try to explain anything, it's in one ear and out the other with them, they will not take your opinions or ideas into consideration, no matter how sound they are. It's either their way or no way; there is no compromising. So if you love the girl, and you want to please the parents for the girl, you'll have to go to Vietnam and have the ceremony there and then return to the US. This is how much I would do, if I were you. About back to Vietnam to live forever, that's a bit too much, try and keep begging your way out of this one. Since you're a guy, don't beg. Get the girl to beg her parents. After months and months of begging, suggest bringing them over to the US, and honestly try to do so. Whether or not you can since you probably need to provide financial support, is another story. They might be able to understand then.
gardenslave
QUOTE (hershfelder @ Mar 28 2011, 08:21 PM) *
do banks give loans for travel like that? I don't think they do. What do you think the compromise should be? My fiancée and I told her parents o many ideas already that they turned everything down already except for what they want. we even said she would come here first then we finalize stuff then come right back to Vietnam after all the legal papers and what not from the government is finalized.



Hold on there fella. I'm sorry to tell you this but your marriage is a family affair. It is not between you and her. Vietnamese weddings are mutual between families, not the kids. If you love her so much you would wait an eternity for her. What I'm hearing is that you just want to get married, then what, live your life happily ever after? Her parents want to hear that you are financially stable, of good family back ground, and all that crap.... They distrust young people with limited financial support and with no social status. Plus being a foreigner would make the situation much tougher because they have no understanding of your culture to make any kind of judgement.

It would help if you bring your parents in. Have your parents go over there to connive them into thinking that you are a good fella. You just stand there and smile and nod your head without uttering a word. That's what a Vietnamese wedding is all about. Your parents should have all the credentials to guaranty that you are not a scum but a good provider.

I feel for you dude. It will be a tough monumental task for you. But if you have patience and will to wait to prove your love to her then you can make a good movie and everyone will go and see. Good luck to you dude.

XigonCongchua
Come on. It's a custom of Vietnamese to have the future groom (preferably with his parents, if possible) meet the parents of the future bride before a wedding can be arranged. Her parents are just telling you to do the basic stuff that every man has to do in Vietnam. Also every Viet parents are gonna demand that at least part of the wedding take place at their house so the children could bow to the family's ancestors' altar before leaving.

Vietnamese wedding customs as I know go like this

- Morning of the wedding day, the bride stays at her house, waiting for the groom to come. (Banquet tables and altars are prepared for ceremonies in the meanwhile)
- The groom comes to the bride's house, with "sính lễ" (sort of like wedding gifts) which usually consist of plates of betels, areca nuts, tea, wine, cakes...
- The bride's family accept the sính lễ (and open them maybe)
- The parents of the bride make some speech and then the bride is brought out
- The bride and the groom hold some betels and areca nuts from the gift box, kneel down, and bow 3 times to the altar, offering betels and areca nuts to the ancestors of the bride's family.
- The groom then gives wedding ring to the bride. Any other gift that the parents (of both sides) want to give to the bride is also shown at this moment.
- When ceremony is over and when the parents have done making their speeches, the banquet starts at the bride's family with the presence of all her relatives (and perhaps friends)
- When the banquet is over, the bride and the groom get on a car and drive to the groom's house. (Relatives of both sides follow on different cars)
- At the groom's house, a similar process takes place (bow to altar of ancestors, speeches, banquet)
- During the night of the same day, another much larger banquet is taken at some big restaurant with the presence of relatives, friends, and all invitees...


Since you're an American, you're probably not required to do all that but having a wedding in Vietnam is the least you can do.

P/S: My uncle is a Vietnamese American. He married a girl from Vietnam, and he had to go through all the procedure I listed. Then after coming back to the US, he had another wedding. icon_wink.gif
daxas24
LOL @ XG, it looks like you're ready to get married. Despite having attended a few weddings in my life, I don't have much idea about these customs. Maybe one day I will icon_wink.gif.

@hershfelder: Firstly, I think you got the wrong idea that vietnamese hates american. Trust me, we don't. If she's from the south it's even unlikely.

Secondly, ask yourself this question, are you financially strong enough to support this marriage and your future family?
Putting all the vietnamese customs aside, I feel like love is making you blind atm. You gotta be a realist in this matter. When you bring her to America, what is she gonna do? She can't just stay at home and be a housewife. You guys will definitely strugle financially. Maybe, wait a little more till you're both strong financially. I suppose you're both still quite young.

Also, with all the vietnamese customs, I'm afraid you might have to go through all of that whether you like it or not. If I was her parent, I'd do the same too.

Whatever's gonna happen, good luck to both of you.
XigonCongchua
^ b/c you only attend the part at the restaurants embarassedlaugh.gif That's where most wedding invitees go. Or you just went to the houses of the brides and grooms for food and banquet. embarassedlaugh.gif

I know those customs from watching wedding videos of my parents and my aunts. Also from my memories lol.

I remember when my aunt was about to leave for the groom's house (I didn't know where she was going actually), I wanted to follow (just because I thought it would be fun), and my parents didn't allow me. I was like "How could other people go but I couldn't???". Then I cried out loud and my other aunts had to calm me with candies and toys. embarassedlaugh.gif I thought they were going to another party and leaving me behind. >.<
XigonCongchua
Oh they actually have a page on Vietnamese Wedding on wikipedia lol embarassedlaugh.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_wedding

Preparations for the traditional Vietnamese wedding first begins by choosing a date and time for the marriage ceremony. This is decided by a Buddhist monk, Spiritual leader, or fortune teller due to the spiritual nature of the occasion. This tradition does not change if the family is Catholic.

The wedding consists of an extensive set of ceremonies: asking permission to receive the bride, receiving the bride at her house, and bringing the bride to the groom's house. Both Vietnamese and oversea-Vietnamese who desire to have a hybrid traditional Vietnamese and Western-style wedding will often incorporate the last two ceremonies with the Western-style wedding.

At the end of the ceremonies, there is a wedding reception for the two families and guests.

Asking permission to "receive" the bride

Before the wedding day, the groom's family would make a trip to the bride's home with a gift of betel nuts to officially ask permission to receive the bride. At this time, the bride's family would confirm the wedding and further proceedings would take place.

In actuality, this now obsolete ceremony was used in the past to confirm—last minute—that the marriage would still take place. Due to often forced arranged marriages, some brides fled from home. Thus, this ceremony was more so used to confirm that the wedding would proceed.


Receiving the bride at her house

On the day of the wedding, the procession of the groom's family is led in specific order. The first person would be the representative of the groom's house followed by the groom's father, the groom, then the rest of his family and close friends

In the past, the groom's mother might not take part in the procession as a sign that she would not be a threat to the future bride; she would even "hide" for a short period upon the bride's welcoming to the groom's home. However, this practice has long been abandoned. The number of people participating in the groom's procession varies but is usually restricted to a smaller number (20 or so) to make it easier on the bride's family, which must receive all the guests.

In the procession, the groom, his family and friends bear elaborately decorated lacquer boxes, covered in red cloth. Inside these boxes are gifts representing the wealth that the groom's family will bring to the bride's family. Gifts are betel, fruit, cakes, a roast pig, fabric, and an abundance of jewelry for the bride. Usually, the number of gift boxes varies between 6 or 8, but never 7 or 9 since it is seen as bad luck. However, it depends on personal view and might be reduced to 2-3 boxes.

Upon arriving at the bride's home, the procession lights fireworks to alert the bride's family, who then lights its own round of firecrackers to welcome the groom's procession. Members of the procession are introduced to the bride's family, and the bride's family introduces its members to the procession. The groom presents his gifts to the bride's family, and he is given permission to greet the bride, who is finally brought out.

The permission ceremony begins in front of the bride's ancestor altar. The bride and groom burn incense sticks, asking for permission from the ancestors to bless them. The couple turns and bows to their parents, gives thanks for raising and protecting them. The bride and groom then bow to each other.

A formal tea and candle ceremony along with speeches follow. While tea has always been an essential part of Vietnamese life, Vietnamese tea culture is not as complex or ritually rigid as its counterparts in China, Japan or Korea. A traditional wedding may be the only time in a Vietnamese person's life that a formal tea ceremony is essential.

The bride and groom, in front of all their guests, will serve tea (or wine) to their parents. Each parent will then give advice about marriage and family to the couple. A candle ceremony will follow, symbolizing the joining of the bride and groom and the joining of the two families. The groom's gift boxes filled with jewelry will be opened by the groom's mother, who will then put each piece on the bride for good fortune.

Due to Western influence in the concept of wedding rings, modern weddings still include the giving of jewelry to the bride but are followed by the exchange of wedding bands between the bride and groom. However, Catholic Vietnamese families reserve the exchange of wedding bands for the separate church ceremony.

Bringing the bride to groom's house

As the procession arrives back at the groom's house, the groom's family members that did not take part in the procession but remained at home will light firecrackers in celebration.

The newlyweds will be brought to the groom's ancestor altar, where another ceremony takes place and the bride is introduced to the groom's relatives. Finally, the bride is brought to the couple's room and shown their marriage bed.

The reception for the bride and groom's family and friends

Following the ceremony at the groom's house, all of the bride and groom's family and friends are invited to a reception that traditionally takes place at the groom's house.

Nowadays, however, the reception occurs immediately after the procession ceremony to the bride's house, and takes place at any desired location---such as either couple's house, a restaurant or a hotel banquet hall. It is not until after the reception that the bride is brought to the groom's house. The vast majority of newlyweds also have their own place. If so, they simply go to their house.

The number of guests in attendance at these modern-day receptions is large, usually in the hundreds. Elaborate 7 to 10 course meals are served, often starting with cold platters then followed by hot dishes such as seasoned lobster, seafood hot pot, and other Vietnamese and Chinese banquet dishes, often ending with fried rice and a dessert.

Traditional Vietnamese wedding gifts

Guests are expected to bring gifts, and it is traditionally in the form of money in an envelope. As of January 2009, the appropriate amount is usually $100–$200 USD per person though more or less is possible depending on the locale. Immediate family, usually gives more money to the bride and groom. At one point during the reception, the bride and groom will go from table-to-table to thank guests for their blessings and sometimes collect the envelopes. Occasionally, the family and guests' monetary gifts will cover more than the cost of the wedding and reception. Most couples however leave a box at the sign-in table for guests to drop in their envelopes and cards, although this is frowned upon by older traditional conservatives.

The bride's change of dress

In modern weddings, brides usually change into three different gowns during the reception. Her dresses are usually composed of the Western white wedding gown, a second Western dress to be worn at the end of the evening during the dancing, and a third traditional Áo dài to be worn during the traditional table visits to personally thank the guests for coming.
Buddhalove
QUOTE (hershfelder @ Mar 28 2011, 05:30 PM) *
Alright everyone I got a situation, I seriously need help on. I need Vietnamese people especially to help me with this one. I'm in Love with this girl I have been dating for 2 years now. We haven't seen each other in over a year though. We met in college then started dating. we had the greatest time together in the time we were together. we always played games together, had dinner together, shopping together. we always know how to make each other happy.

Then after college graduation she had to go back to her home country of Vietnam cause her education visa was expiring. so as I am here she went back there and we kept in contact through skype,email, phone calls, instant messaging. then in the summer time last year I filed for fiancée Visa and just 2 weeks ago we got approved for her to come here after she takes the interview.

But a major problem has occurred. Her parents don't like me cause I'm American. a part to understand about this is that they are in their 60's and grew up with the Vietnam which began their hate for Americans. They feel I'm poor and I'm no good for their daughter. here comes another twist, as I have been waiting for her to get approved, I worked my butt off to save cash way. so I could get a place for me and her when she comes here.

but then an issue now that remains as an argument in ways between us is her parents. I understand their tradition and point of view in Vietnam. where I come to her house with her parents there and introduce myself and allow them to know me. Cause who would want to let their daughter go off with a stranger they don't know to another country. I don't know anyone who would allow that. I love and respect Asian culture, which makes this girl that I love so much change my life. if it wasn't for her I don't know what my life would be like.

Her parents want me to come there so I meet her parents and have a ceremony there, then come back to the U.S. with her to do our ceremony, then her parents want us to come back to Vietnam to live forever. But I don't want to do that. How can I convince her that she ain't leaving her parents behind, how could I convince her to say what she has to say to her parents to allow her to accept us for her to come here.

I would fly over there but I'm so unsure, because I don't want to spend over a grand in U.S. money to go there. the flight there is expensive. and if I spend the money to go there we will have almost nothing when we get back from Vietnam. and I want her to live here with me to have a family. Not to mention I get sickness when I travel and I'm afraid to travel alone since my family nor friends want to come over to Vietnam with me. What could I do? her parents stand in the way of Me and my girls chance to be happy together.


I love this girl and I want no other girl, This girl is my everything. she is my angel. She is the reason I strive so hard to meet goals as of the past 2 years. I work so hard to earn all the money i can for our future. I have a nice plan for us in the future, where are kids go to school, where the kids will be born, where we will have our wedding ceremony. I will teach her how to drive. I just don't want to loose her. my life will never be the same without her. Below is a video link of us happy as can be please check it out then comment with advice on what I can do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsDLqG6-GB4


Take care of the marry first, then you can do whatever you want after. There is no contract. beerchug.gif
strongbad
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Mar 28 2011, 08:26 PM) *
P/S: My uncle is a Vietnamese American. He married a girl from Vietnam, and he had to go through all the procedure I listed. Then after coming back to the US, he had another wedding. icon_wink.gif


Xixon is your uncle đẹp trai giả mang? because vietnamese girls in viet nam think viet kieus are đẹp trai giả mang and romantic. Your uncle must be romantic because he had two weddings.
XigonCongchua
You're trying to say "dã man"? embarassedlaugh.gif

You must have failed spelling test badly. embarassedlaugh.gif It's "dã man", not "giả mang" tongue.gif
strongbad
xixon what makes your uncle đẹp trai "dã man"? Does he have boyish good looks with really pretty eyes? Is it because his smile in sunlight lights up your day? or maybe its because he looks attractive from far away and up close?

xixon why is your uncle đẹp trai "dã man"?

papen
QUOTE
Her parents don't like me cause I'm American

Are you sure?
gardenslave
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Mar 28 2011, 10:26 PM) *
Come on. It's a custom of Vietnamese to have the future groom (preferably with his parents, if possible) meet the parents of the future bride before a wedding can be arranged.



It is meeting the parents and getting their approval that's the toughest part. I couldn't think of any other terrorizing moment than meeting the parents. If you are rich and of favorable background then it should be OK but if you are just normal then you've got something to prove. I've seen couples argue and their relationships get broken up because of the parents.

After the parent's approval then everything else is a cinch.
strongbad
QUOTE (strongbad @ Mar 28 2011, 04:25 PM) *
You girl looks a lot like her

you mention that you love this girl so much, but when I put up a picture of another girl that looks like your girl, you dont event make a comment???

I find that very interesting.

QUOTE (hershfelder @ Mar 28 2011, 03:30 PM) *
But a major problem has occurred. Her parents don't like me cause I'm American. a part to understand about this is that they are in their 60's and grew up with the Vietnam which began their hate for Americans.



do you really think her parents hate americans even when they send their daughter to america for an expensive college education?

If you love and respect asian culture, then how can you say her parents hate americans, even when they send their daughter to america for a college education?


Hershfelder is basicly saying because of vietnamese hate for americans, this love that he has for his vietnamese girlfriend cannot exist.

so all you vietnamese should hate yourself because the stereo type of vietnamese hate for americans prevented this wonderful love, this powerful love, this magical love, this love that is worthy of a hollywood movie from coming true.

Iam guessing hershfelder is trolling.
hershfelder
that is not my girl in that picture maune the eyes looks like hers but it is not her
strongbad
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Mar 28 2011, 08:26 PM) *
P/S: My uncle is a Vietnamese American. He married a girl from Vietnam, and he had to go through all the procedure I listed. Then after coming back to the US, he had another wedding. icon_wink.gif


Vietnamese girls in viet nam think viet kieus like your uncle are đẹp trai "dã man", is it because your uncle's eyebrows are thick and his eyes are really beautiful?
XigonCongchua
You've asked the same question for 3 times already, strongbad. embarassedlaugh.gif

No, I don't think my uncle is handsome. He's very average. But he got a good degree and work for NASA with a high-paying salary.

He's actually the guy in one of the family pictures I posted up long ago. You can judge for yourself. embarassedlaugh.gif


(the man on the right)
strongbad
QUOTE (hershfelder @ Mar 30 2011, 05:53 PM) *
that is not my girl in that picture maune the eyes looks like hers but it is not her


you could be lying, you lied about vietnamese hate for americans.

QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Mar 30 2011, 10:21 PM) *
You've asked the same question for 3 times already, strongbad. embarassedlaugh.gif

No, I don't think my uncle is handsome. He's very average.


that is because you're not a vietnamese girl in viet nam. vietnamese girls in viet nam with soft spoken north vietnamese accent think viet kieus are đẹp trai "dã man", and romantic.
gardenslave
QUOTE (strongbad @ Mar 31 2011, 09:35 AM) *
you could be lying, you lied about vietnamese hate for americans.



that is because you're not a vietnamese girl in viet nam. vietnamese girls in viet nam with soft spoken north vietnamese accent think viet kieus are đẹp trai "dã man", and romantic.


Let's give hershfelder the benefit of the doubt. Troll or not it's a topic that could benefit some people looking for answers in this type of situation. Don't start accusing people of lying when you don't know what their intentions are, the words they write might not match what they meant.


What is "dã man"? Is it possessing an ungodly sassy beauty that people fall head over heels wherever they go?
gardenslave
QUOTE (hershfelder @ Mar 30 2011, 07:53 PM) *
that is not my girl in that picture maune the eyes looks like hers but it is not her



OK, here are my plans.

You tell them that your parents are coming over to meet them and bring them lots of gifts and betel for chewing. Then in the last second your parents couldn't make the flight because of diarrhea or something. So you just bring them a video of your parents saying some stuff, like a speech of the constitution or something. Her parents won't be able to understand what they're saying anyway and would think that of it as a great gesture of sincerity. They'll have to agree.

Or, you could just go out in the street in Vietnam and rent a few foreigners to be as your parents.

Or, if you really want to be bold. Just walk tall and confident, go in there yourself and tell them that you want their daughter's hand in marriage. Maybe you can scare them out of their wits and they'll have to give in.
XigonCongchua
I was a girl in Vietnam before coming to the US and I didn't think he was handsome embarassedlaugh.gif He's only decent looking.
strongbad
QUOTE (gardenslave @ Mar 31 2011, 09:20 AM) *
Don't start accusing people of lying


If hershfelder can accuse his girlfriend's parents of hating americans and generalize that vietnamese who grew up in the 60's hate americans, then why cant I accuse him of lying?

QUOTE (gardenslave @ Mar 31 2011, 09:20 AM) *
Let's give hershfelder the benefit of the doubt.

If you want me to give him the benefit of the doubt, then I want him to give me an explaination of why he thinks his girlfriend's parents hates him because he is american, especially when his girlfriend's parents send her to america for an expensive college education. So how can I give him the benefit of the doubt when he cant give me an explanation?

QUOTE (gardenslave @ Mar 31 2011, 09:20 AM) *
Troll or not it's a topic that could benefit some people looking for answers in this type of situation.

Iam not telling other people to stop giving advice.
gardenslave
QUOTE (strongbad @ Mar 31 2011, 04:09 PM) *
If hershfelder can accuse his girlfriend's parents of hating americans and generalize that vietnamese who grew up in the 60's hate americans, then why cant I accuse him of lying?


If you want me to give him the benefit of the doubt, then I want him to give me an explaination of why he thinks his girlfriend's parents hates him because he is american, especially when his girlfriend's parents send her to america for an expensive college education. So how can I give him the benefit of the doubt when he cant give me an explanation?


Iam not telling other people to stop giving advice.


You are accusing people of lying based on their perception. That's more like an opinion based on ignorance rather than lying. If I say that a man is mean because he looks mean, is that lying?

I don't want to put words into hershfelder's mouth but most Americans that I know do not know much about Vietnam other than the war. Some told me that they are sorry for abandoning the South Vietnamese government in 1975 and that they hope the South Vietnamese and the Americans can ever become friends again. Some even thinks that the US fought Vietnam wholly by themselves and perceived Vietnam as the enemy and there must be hatred between the two. There is an aura of bad blood between the Vietnamese and the US especially in the older generations. Could you blame the kids for not understanding the past? So what if they don't understand the past, this is an opportunity for them to learn and delve deeply into anther one's culture.

What I'm seeing here is that some stranger is asking for you for advice and you are telling them to get the f-ck off we don't need you here. You are behaving like what hershfelder perceived her parents to be which is full of hatred, adding to the myth that the Vietnamese are unfriendly and aggressive.
strongbad
QUOTE (gardenslave @ Apr 1 2011, 07:50 AM) *
You are accusing people of lying based on their perception. That's more like an opinion based on ignorance rather than lying. If I say that a man is mean because he looks mean, is that lying?

Hersfelder wants people to belive vietnamese who grew up in the 60s hate americans, if this is not true but he wants you and I to belive it then he is lying.

QUOTE (gardenslave @ Apr 1 2011, 07:50 AM) *
What I'm seeing here is that some stranger is asking for you for advice and you are telling them to get the f-ck off we don't need you here. You are behaving like what hershfelder perceived her parents to be which is full of hatred, adding to the myth that the Vietnamese are unfriendly and aggressive.


I never told him to F-ck off, I never told him we dont need you . I even gave him advice on how he can pay for a trip back to viet nam.

I even tried to help him understand his girlfriend's parents hate for him is not true or vietnamese who grew up in the 60s hate americans also is not true. But he ignores my help by not answering my questions.
gardenslave
@ hershfelder, OK need to speak up and show your color.

@ strongbad, I don't want to argue, leave that for the women. Sorry for put words in your mouth.
cloverleaves
You can find anti-American sentiments anywhere outside the US, and Vietnam is no exception. Try traveling the world with your American accent, and you will see how true this is; you don't need to do anything in particular to stand out. History aside, it's what happens when you're the richest country in the world, well, for now anyway. But that doesn't mean everyone is like that, just some people are hateful for no real reason. For the record, some people really love the Americans. Americans are like that, too; some of them really hate Asians for no real reason. So this is just how it is.

Whether or not this girl's Vietnamese parents hate Americans in general, you can still make them love you, if you care so much. Problems with in-laws are common, they could just hate you because you're taking their girl away. Anyway, I would tend to think sometimes the truth is a financial reason, but love will find a way. Good luck to you.
cloverleaves
QUOTE (gardenslave @ Mar 30 2011, 01:40 PM) *
If you are rich and of favorable background then it should be OK but if you are just normal then you've got something to prove.


So true lol

By the way I really like the picture in your signature. Is it a painting or a real photo? I agree. . .never stop dreaming :-)
chiuchimu
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Mar 31 2011, 01:21 AM) *
He's actually the guy in one of the family pictures I posted up long ago. You can judge for yourself. embarassedlaugh.gif

(the man on the right)


Hey, I see the family resemblance! icon_smile.gif
gardenslave
QUOTE (cloverleaves @ Apr 1 2011, 09:52 PM) *
By the way I really like the picture in your signature. Is it a painting or a real photo? I agree. . .never stop dreaming :-)



It's just a picture of a little something that I have at home. I embellished it a little bit to make it look blurry like a dream so I can impress somebody with my artistic sense. I'm glad I scammed you into thinking it was a painting. I've developed daydreaming to an art form (to hide the fact that I'm lazy). I could daydream and if you were to slap me in the head, I wouldn't notice it right away until I see my hair messed up, then I would go berserk and go on a rampage and hunt you down like a fugitive, just so I can ask you if you needed anything (why would you slap me in the head, that's just mean).

Very nice username that you have there. Let me guess, it's something to do with love in the form of a heart shaped leaves of a clover? Would you believe I found two 4-leaf clover a long time ago? It's just bad luck I lost it or else I would have given one of them to you. It doesn't hold any special meaning to me because I believe it was contaminated in a very filthy, horibly gross and awefully smelly sewage ditch, but I'm willing to give it to you though. Isn't that lovely?
gardenslave
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Mar 31 2011, 01:03 PM) *
I was a girl in Vietnam before coming to the US and I didn't think he was handsome embarassedlaugh.gif He's only decent looking.



I don't think your uncle is đẹp trai dã man. I think he's đẹp trai dễ tè, so handsome that makes you pee easily.
XigonCongchua
^ Is that supposed to be good or bad? embarassedlaugh.gif
gardenslave
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Apr 8 2011, 08:58 PM) *
^ Is that supposed to be good or bad? embarassedlaugh.gif

I don't know my grandma always say that to someone she thinks is handsome. It must be good because you're doing it so freely that it makes you feel so good.
pdrive
QUOTE (gardenslave @ Apr 9 2011, 08:40 AM) *
I don't know my grandma always say that to someone she thinks is handsome. It must be good because you're doing it so freely that it makes you feel so good.


I thought you were only kidding, but seems like you're serious?

Dễ tè is a colloquial expression in the centre part (miền Trung). It just means a lot, it has nothing to do with peeing. I don't know about the origin, maybe it came from "tệ" as in thậm tệ, dở tệ, xấu tệ, or maybe it's just a local expression. Occasionally one can even here "xấu tè", "thấp tè" that means really ugly or really short. In any case I'm sure it has nothing to do with relieving yourself.
gardenslave
QUOTE (pdrive @ Apr 9 2011, 11:29 AM) *
I thought you were only kidding, but seems like you're serious?

Dễ tè is a colloquial expression in the centre part (miền Trung). It just means a lot, it has nothing to do with peeing. I don't know about the origin, maybe it came from "tệ" as in thậm tệ, dở tệ, xấu tệ, or maybe it's just a local expression. Occasionally one can even here "xấu tè", "thấp tè" that means really ugly or really short. In any case I'm sure it has nothing to do with relieving yourself.



Thanks for clearing that up. You're talking to a proud graduate of the 1st grade in Vietnam and almost graduate of the 2nd grade, so all I that understand is what I do in the backyard and that is to pee freely and amiably. That was what I thought what it meant all those years. Even though I'm not versed in the meaning of the words, would any educated Vietnamese person nowadays realize that it's not what it seems? If it's a colloquial expression in the centre part (miền Trung), it spread to all regions of Vietnam? Because I think it's a common expression among all Vietnamese. I am a northern speaker with southern influences by the way.

XigonCongchua, you knew I was offtrack. Why didn't you stop me before I made a fool out of myself?
pdrive
QUOTE (gardenslave @ Apr 9 2011, 08:37 PM) *
Thanks for clearing that up. You're talking to a proud graduate of the 1st grade in Vietnam and almost graduate of the 2nd grade, so all I that understand is what I do in the backyard and that is to pee freely and amiably. That was what I thought what it meant all those years. Even though I'm not versed in the meaning of the words, would any educated Vietnamese person nowadays realize that it's not what it seems? If it's a colloquial expression in the centre part (miền Trung), it spread to all regions of Vietnam? Because I think it's a common expression among all Vietnamese. I am a northern speaker with southern influences by the way.


Actually I was curious about that myself. I know it is nowhere near as popular and widespread as you think it is, and I was surprised you mentioned it as if it's common knowledge. Where (what part of the country) did your grandma come from?

I can only recall it being said among people of my home region (Quảng Nam - Đà Nẵng). It is not used among people from Huế trở ra, and most likely not used in SG and southward either. Don't know about that area in between (Quảng Ngãi, Bình Định, Phú Yên, Tuy Hòa, etc).
gardenslave
QUOTE (pdrive @ Apr 10 2011, 11:15 AM) *
Actually I was curious about that myself. I know it is nowhere near as popular and widespread as you think it is, and I was surprised you mentioned it as if it's common knowledge. Where (what part of the country) did your grandma come from?

I can only recall it being said among people of my home region (Quảng Nam - Đà Nẵng). It is not used among people from Huế trở ra, and most likely not used in SG and southward either. Don't know about that area in between (Quảng Ngãi, Bình Định, Phú Yên, Tuy Hòa, etc).


My grandma is from Vĩnh Yên near Hà Nội, but my family moved south to Saigon a long time ago. She also has some close Huế friends that she chats with, so I don't know if she picked it up from them or from living in Saigon.

But, I saw a movie 'Tứ Ếch đi Saigon' a long time ago where I noticed one of the character mentioned it, so the term must be widespread in the southern part of the country as well.
cloverleaves
QUOTE (gardenslave @ Apr 2 2011, 09:35 PM) *
It's just a picture of a little something that I have at home. I embellished it a little bit to make it look blurry like a dream so I can impress somebody with my artistic sense. I'm glad I scammed you into thinking it was a painting. I've developed daydreaming to an art form (to hide the fact that I'm lazy). I could daydream and if you were to slap me in the head, I wouldn't notice it right away until I see my hair messed up, then I would go berserk and go on a rampage and hunt you down like a fugitive, just so I can ask you if you needed anything (why would you slap me in the head, that's just mean).

Very nice username that you have there. Let me guess, it's something to do with love in the form of a heart shaped leaves of a clover? Would you believe I found two 4-leaf clover a long time ago? It's just bad luck I lost it or else I would have given one of them to you. It doesn't hold any special meaning to me because I believe it was contaminated in a very filthy, horibly gross and awefully smelly sewage ditch, but I'm willing to give it to you though. Isn't that lovely?


I wasn't going to reply, but if you're going to compliment, then compliment. If you want to insult, then insult. Why do you put them together. It makes you look like a confused idiot, and I don't think you are one.

By the way, I daydream, but I'm hard working. I've been slacking off in recent years but I'm going to get myself back together....someday soon lol
gardenslave
QUOTE (cloverleaves @ Apr 13 2011, 11:35 PM) *
I wasn't going to reply, but if you're going to compliment, then compliment. If you want to insult, then insult. Why do you put them together. It makes you look like a confused idiot, and I don't think you are one.

By the way, I daydream, but I'm hard working. I've been slacking off in recent years but I'm going to get myself back together....someday soon lol


Sorry you have to look at it that way. I always tease my friends with sarcastic remarks as a sign of a bond between our friendship where nothing can break the bond, not even silly insults and sarcasm, sometimes even hard physical hits. But I guess we still have a long way to go to get to that point. It's just my personal belief into thinking that everyone is my friend and I trust them with all my heart; even my enemies, the neighbor that has an evil eye on me, the dog that bit me, or the robber that robbed my house. There is no use in thinking that there are enemies in this world. Is it better that you feel contempt towards a person instead of friendship? Is it going to solve anything if you feel contempt?

Anyways, I apologize for making you feel bad. I wouldn't hurt a flea (just because I couldn't find it or else I'd kill it). I was going to PM you to remind you that I was just kidding about what I said because I haven't seen you in a while. Come on, I know you've had some rough moments in your life but have a sense of humor and your world will turn around in an instant. If you'd like I can send you a list of ways to mend a broken heart. My friends liked it, not because it solved anything but it made them laugh.

I was kidding about the daydream because of laziness you know. It's a special belief of mine, being lazy or not, it's what keeps you going. You always look into the future in your dreams, it gives you drive, determination, inspiration, and a goal to achieve. I will probably dream until the end of time as I float into space and hope that I have friends to follow me singing the tune 'Time'.

Hell, I've probably made another enemy, so just forget what I said.
pdrive
QUOTE (gardenslave @ Apr 14 2011, 08:58 AM) *
Sorry you have to look at it that way. I always tease my friends with sarcastic remarks as a sign of a bond between our friendship where nothing can break the bond, not even silly insults and sarcasm, sometimes even hard physical hits. But I guess we still have a long way to go to get to that point. It's just my personal belief into thinking that everyone is my friend and I trust them with all my heart; even my enemies, the neighbor that has an evil eye on me, the dog that bit me, or the robber that robbed my house. There is no use in thinking that there are enemies in this world. Is it better that you feel contempt towards a person instead of friendship? Is it going to solve anything if you feel contempt?

Anyways, I apologize for making you feel bad. I wouldn't hurt a flea (just because I couldn't find it or else I'd kill it). I was going to PM you to remind you that I was just kidding about what I said because I haven't seen you in a while. Come on, I know you've had some rough moments in your life but have a sense of humor and your world will turn around in an instant. If you'd like I can send you a list of ways to mend a broken heart. My friends liked it, not because it solved anything but it made them laugh.

I was kidding about the daydream because of laziness you know. It's a special belief of mine, being lazy or not, it's what keeps you going. You always look into the future in your dreams, it gives you drive, determination, inspiration, and a goal to achieve. I will probably dream until the end of time as I float into space and hope that I have friends to follow me singing the tune 'Time'.

Hell, I've probably made another enemy, so just forget what I said.


That is so touching and profound. Man, I'm a guy and I'm starting to fall for you myself embarassedlaugh.gif You must be one hell of a lady-killer in your days icon_smile.gif How many hearts did you break my man?
gardenslave
QUOTE (pdrive @ Apr 14 2011, 08:42 AM) *
That is so touching and profound. Man, I'm a guy and I'm starting to fall for you myself embarassedlaugh.gif You must be one hell of a lady-killer in your days icon_smile.gif How many hearts did you break my man?


Yes, you have to have something ready in your arsenal when dealing with situations like this. You have to lure them in and then make the kill. I don't want to give away my secrets or else they will find out that I'm a scum and ruin my plans. Not too many heartbreaks but intense ones will drive you insane.
2vnspirit
QUOTE (pdrive @ Apr 10 2011, 12:15 PM) *
Actually I was curious about that myself. I know it is nowhere near as popular and widespread as you think it is, and I was surprised you mentioned it as if it's common knowledge. Where (what part of the country) did your grandma come from?
I can only recall it being said among people of my home region (Quảng Nam - Đà Nẵng). It is not used among people from Huế trở ra, and most likely not used in SG and southward either. Don't know about that area in between (Quảng Ngãi, Bình Định, Phú Yên, Tuy Hòa, etc).

Those words are alot more common than you think , pdrive .. popular/widely used across VN especially the Southern part where I grew up .. to the extend of becoming a cutely expressed "prefix" of most hilarious mannered conversations + mostly mean "not serious" !

- Phim ma này hay dễ tè ! ---------- hay ơi là hay !
- Phim ma này thấy sợ dễ tè ! ---------- dễ sợ ơi là sợ !


QUOTE
I think he's đẹp trai dễ tè ..........
I don't know my grandma always say that to someone she thinks is handsome. It must be good because you're doing it so freely that it makes you feel so good


I left out this thread thinking it was of personal matter ... however lately read and come to those colloquial expression .. which reminded me of my childhood's most favourite term !
-- "dễ tè "
Somehow 's quite true in its sense , gardenslave!
gardenslave
Thiệt là dễ tè.

What would you say if you are peeing and you feel good about it? Dễ tè dễ sợ?
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