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Silverspine
My parents sed tht the viet ppl are mostly all mixed now, this true? and is ther n e hard hittin viet characteristics?
VooDiak
friends still consider themselves as viets<---i'm sure viets were chinese a long time ago...so either way they are part chinese...<---well..that's my opinion

hey silverspine... biggrin.gif
KoRn
QUOTE (VooDiak @ Dec 10 2003, 12:05 AM)
friends still consider themselves as viets<---i'm sure viets were chinese a long time ago...so either way they are part chinese...<---well..that's my opinion

hey silverspine... biggrin.gif

oh god ur gonna scare him off aren't u? ur already freaking ME out with ur smile.

anyways whatchu tryin' to say? like personality wise or physically?
Silverspine
Physical characteristics
KoRn
something about vietnamese eyes... lol i'm basing this on ur sis and thai's sis haah
sHoRti_bEbi
The eyes and the nose on typical viets are usually the same. mostly i can tell viet girls from other asian. and... a lot are short.. hehe..
puCcaPigEe^
most of my vietnamese friends have different characteristics.....one of my friend is really tall.... biggrin.gif
supernovasp
Most Viet are mixed, the only like pure vietnamese can only be found in some Northern Vietnam regions.

I think Korean and Viet girls have different facial structures that stand out a lot, but there are always exceptions.
Cevilgenius
i can't tell korean but it's ez to spot a viet.... and yea most of them are short.....
therra
i don't know what exactly your parents meant when they say "viet ppl are mostly all mixed now," but they are mixed with what? i'm pretty sure if they see a lot of viet couples getting married, the chances of them mixing up is likely. anyhow, if you want to talk about the rate of outmarriage, that's another different story.

hm, vietnamese girls in general i think they look like vietnamese girls. i can't tell you which characteristic that define them most because they seem to be looking alike everybody when there's group of them walking together, but if they don't look like chinese, korean, japanese, or thai or something else, they are vietnamese.

just for the record, it's true that vietnam was originally apart of china, but over the span of time, it's as old as japan, korea, and other countries that also originated from china, so to say that viets were something else long time ago, yes it is true, but it doesn't really come to sense when you are looking at history and now.
直隸總督
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friends still consider themselves as viets<---i'm sure viets were chinese a long time ago...so either way they are part chinese...<---well..that's my opinion

hey silverspine... 

not all true. Vietnamese, hard to define. China is multi-ethnical. Hans, Manchus, Mongols are Mongoloids in the north. Southern Chinese, cantonese natives, minorities do share some traits with Vietnamese people.
I also heard that many vietnamese have mixed with Veddoid Cambodians.
general speaking, the physical characterstics of vietnamese are shorter, darker, their foreheads are quite different than the Northern Chinese ( hard to describe).
Keymaker
I find it really easy to figure out if someone is Vietnamese. I go up to them and ask if they're Vietnamese. Works like a charm! rockon.gif
supernovasp
QUOTE (直隸總督 @ Dec 13 2003, 12:58 AM)
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friends still consider themselves as viets<---i'm sure viets were chinese a long time ago...so either way they are part chinese...<---well..that's my opinion

hey silverspine... 

not all true. Vietnamese, hard to define. China is multi-ethnical. Hans, Manchus, Mongols are Mongoloids in the north. Southern Chinese, cantonese natives, minorities do share some traits with Vietnamese people.
I also heard that many vietnamese have mixed with Veddoid Cambodians.
general speaking, the physical characterstics of vietnamese are shorter, darker, their foreheads are quite different than the Northern Chinese ( hard to describe).

the most distinctive part of a pure vietnamese is their toes. That's why the chinese used to call the country "Giao Chi"
Silverspine
what about ther toes?
VooDiak
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Veddoid Cambodians.


what does that mean?
直隸總督
QUOTE (VooDiak @ Dec 13 2003, 09:54 PM)
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Veddoid Cambodians.


what does that mean?

Austronoid-Veddoid

Kulong
QUOTE (VooDiak @ Dec 10 2003, 12:05 AM)
friends still consider themselves as viets<---i'm sure viets were chinese a long time ago...so either way they are part chinese...<---well..that's my opinion

hey silverspine... biggrin.gif

I don't believe it's completely correct to say Viets were Chinese a long time ago. Modern Viets are definitely "mixed" though. I know many Viets who look like Southern Chinese, they generally have pale skin while some look more "Austronoid-Veddoid" with darker skin. There are even some Viets who look Caucasian because their mothers were raped by American G.I.s during the Vietnam War or by the French colonizers.

I know some Viet-supremists like to believe that modern Viets are decendents of the ancient Nanyue kingdom which ruled a good portion of Southern China, namely the Guangdong province. However, I don't really buy into their claim. Nanyue kingdom enjoyed a good relationship with Han Chinese for many years. However, in the end, the people of the Nanyue kingdom fled to the "south". I believe maybe they mixed with the natives who were living in modern Vietnam at the time and became the modern Viets as we know.
Kulong
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Dec 10 2003, 07:22 PM)
I think Korean and Viet girls have different facial structures that stand out a lot, but there are always exceptions.

Many Koreans girls have had plastic surgery so it's hard to say. If you've ever been to Seoul, you'd notice that all the girls start to look the same after a while. A Korean friend of mine jokingly told me it's because they all go to the same plastic surgent. biggrin.gif
no1trishfan
i can tell da diif between viets n chinese n ne otha azn cultures str8 away but its hard 2 xplain how...

u can jus tell! da diff isnt dat big but sumwhere they do hav a distinctiv feature dat makes em stand out as viets
直隸總督
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i can tell da diif between viets n chinese n ne otha azn cultures str8 away but its hard 2 xplain how...

u can jus tell! da diff isnt dat big but sumwhere they do hav a distinctiv feature dat makes em stand out as viets

indeed
khachdatinh
ah you guys must have forgot. Giao Chi? people are the truly natives of Vietnam. Giao = Together Chi?= Toes. okay we have 5 toes, 2 of them are the biggest. Giao Chi people should have these 2 toes pointing at each other when they are standing up, which mean they can't wear shoes. They are what we now call Vietnamese, and the rest of us are mixed either with Cham, Thai, Cambodian, or Chinese.
supernovasp
QUOTE (khachdatinh @ Dec 27 2003, 12:56 PM)
ah you guys must have forgot. Giao Chi? people are the truly natives of Vietnam. Giao = Together Chi?= Toes. okay we have 5 toes, 2 of them are the biggest. Giao Chi people should have these 2 toes pointing at each other when they are standing up, which mean they can't wear shoes. They are what we now call Vietnamese, and the rest of us are mixed either with Cham, Thai, Cambodian, or Chinese.

i'm definitely mixed with chinese o.o
khachdatinh
Hahah its funny that i said we have 5 toes. We suppose to have 10!! oh well already said it, sorry if I confuse anyone LOL. stupid me.
Kulong
QUOTE (khachdatinh)
ah you guys must have forgot. Giao Chi? people are the truly natives of Vietnam. Giao = Together Chi?= Toes. okay we have 5 toes, 2 of them are the biggest. Giao Chi people should have these 2 toes pointing at each other when they are standing up, which mean they can't wear shoes.


Rubbish. There are no scientific evidence to back up your ridiculous claim. When has an archeological team discovered human remains with only two toes?
khachdatinh
hm..... I said when these people stand up right, 1 toe on the left point to the right.....1 toe on the right point to the left. thats why i said two toes pointing at each other. I didnt say these people have only 2 toes. when i said " 2 of them " i mean 2 out 10 toes. like i said Giao = Together , Chi? = Toes. I never mention anything about people having 2 toes.
Kulong
QUOTE (khachdatinh @ Dec 27 2003, 10:39 PM)
hm..... I said when these people stand up right, 1 toe on the left point to the right.....1 toe on the right point to the left. thats why i said two toes pointing at each other. I didnt say these people have only 2 toes. when i said " 2 of them " i mean 2 out 10 toes. like i said Giao = Together , Chi? = Toes. I never mention anything about people having 2 toes.

Even so, do you have evidence to back this up? There used to be a myth about Manchurian-Chinese having a slight "fold" on their big toe's toenail and that's how people used to tell Manchurian-Chinese apart from Han-Chinese. But of course, science proved that this was nothing more than what it is, a myth.
jae2theb
I reckon the easiest way to identify which country someone comes from is by their dress and style. I mean, of course a lot of people have their own individual style but nevertheless you learn to categorise certain fashion as belonging to a certain modern day ethnic group. That said, I can usually spot the Vietnamese young people in Australia because of their distinct style. The guys often have those long hair strands which has some personal meaning to them (like, how ever long it is represents the period of time he's been with his girlfriend). Do you know what I'm talking about?? Viet guys in Australia tend to wear the white shirt, black pant combo with these really chunky heeled shoes (maybe to compensate for their lack of height)....Viet girls often have these really thin arched eyebrows and wear these tight-fitting bell-bottom pants. They often look kinda sexy...
That's how it is in Australia. Also, the Vietnamese that grew up here have damn thick Aussie accents. Thicker than other people!! It's kinda tough but still funny anyway to other non-Viets.
supernovasp
I don't know if original viet has the special toes, but the Giao Chi was the name for Vietnam under Han domination.

http://www.thingsasian.com/goto_article/ar...rticle.623.html


There are alot more sites that confirm this ^_^

Also go here http://nomfoundation.org/nomdb/lookup.php and type giao chi, they will give you the Hanzi for Giao Chi (Jiaozhi in mandarin, Kotchi in japanese) ^_^
G2k1boy
"The guys often have those long hair strands which has some personal meaning to them (like, how ever long it is represents the period of time he's been with his girlfriend)."

LOL that's a new one, actually never heard about that or seen. I'm thinkin I should start that trend here.
Kulong
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Dec 29 2003, 02:45 PM)
I don't know if original viet has the special toes, but the Giao Chi was the name for Vietnam under Han domination.

http://www.thingsasian.com/goto_article/ar...rticle.623.html


There are alot more sites that confirm this ^_^

Also go here http://nomfoundation.org/nomdb/lookup.php and type giao chi, they will give you the Hanzi for Giao Chi (Jiaozhi in mandarin, Kotchi in japanese) ^_^

I'm not denying that such a name exists. I'm just challenging the myth. BTW, that Chu Nom website is really neat. I've been playing with it since I discovered it about a year ago.
sHoRti_bEbi
QUOTE (jae2theb @ Dec 29 2003, 11:32 AM)
I reckon the easiest way to identify which country someone comes from is by their dress and style. I mean, of course a lot of people have their own individual style but nevertheless you learn to categorise certain fashion as belonging to a certain modern day ethnic group. That said, I can usually spot the Vietnamese young people in Australia because of their distinct style. The guys often have those long hair strands which has some personal meaning to them (like, how ever long it is represents the period of time he's been with his girlfriend). Do you know what I'm talking about?? Viet guys in Australia tend to wear the white shirt, black pant combo with these really chunky heeled shoes (maybe to compensate for their lack of height)....Viet girls often have these really thin arched eyebrows and wear these tight-fitting bell-bottom pants. They often look kinda sexy...
That's how it is in Australia. Also, the Vietnamese that grew up here have damn thick Aussie accents. Thicker than other people!! It's kinda tough but still funny anyway to other non-Viets.

that is SO SOOOOOOO true of the aussie viets haha
illegal
QUOTE (KoRn @ Dec 10 2003, 12:21 AM)
something about vietnamese eyes... lol i'm basing this on ur sis and thai's sis haah

do i have viet eyes ? cuhz i kno i dun`t have khmer eyes =(

cds
Let's get the fact straight.

Modern Viet people are not pure as Giao Chi people who have funny toes.

Viet people originally came from southern China and lived under Chinese Empire for a thousand of years. No doubt there have been a lot of integration between Viet and Chinese. One of the main reasons is the cultures of these two people are too close. Not to mention, they are the same race.
Prior to French colonialism, Vietnamese kingdom has been known as a closed Confucian based society. Viet people were hardly to marry out (non-Chinese) due to their strictly tight family rules and values.

On the other hand, there are very few Viets mixed with Chams or Cambodians or French due to either historical hatreds, wide-gap in cultures, or religions between those people. The fact is Cambodians still have their hatreds towards Vietnamese due to Cambodian territory loss -today Southern Vietnam- to the Vietnamese in 17-18th century. The same can say to Cham people. Their Kingdom was destroyed by the Vietnamese in 15th century. Majority of Cham people fled to Cambodia. There are less than 60,000 Cham people living in Vietnam today.

Of course, modern Vietnamese are different, specially, living overseas. Intermarriages are more often, but still much less compared to the majority of Vietnamese.
直隸總督
No, Chinese and Vietnamese are not the same race. The Chinese we're referring to are the Hans, Manchus, and Mongols, who originated from the North and expanded southward. The ancient Vietnamese people lived within modern day Chinese boundaries, in the provinces of Guandong, Guangxi and Hainan. Some of them fled to modern day Vietnam due to the expansion of Chinese Empire, some stayed in Chinese territory.
supernovasp
in theory, vietnam was a branch of bai yue. also I don't think there were a lot of intermarriage between the Han and the Viet people. If so, there would be no country called Vietnam, because of the assimilation and belief that Viet people are part/or total Northern/Southern Han.
Kulong
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jan 3 2004, 02:55 PM)
in theory, vietnam was a branch of bai yue. also I don't think there were a lot of intermarriage between the Han and the Viet people. If so, there would be no country called Vietnam, because of the assimilation and belief that Viet people are part/or total Northern/Southern Han.

Majority of modern Vietnamese is of the Jing ethnicity (or Kinh in Vietnamese). Jing is not the same as Han, the majority of modern Chinese.

So in other words, ethnicity-wise, Chinese and Vietnamese are not related. They are only related through culture since the Vietnamese culture, like many other East Asian cultures, is deeply influenced by Chinese culture.
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