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Sopheak
hi my name is sopheak, im not viet, im cambodian
well im making a fictional martial arts
comic book (graphic novel) about cambodia durring
the mid 19th century when under the vietnamese rule.
there was a rebellion against the vietnamese. this is for a
school project.

im not making vietnam look like the villians
the villian will be a cambodian
the two main-main-main characters will be
a full khmer and the other is half viet (but noone knows)

i want to ask if anyone has like images of vietnam during
the 19th century and what they dress like
(most likely imperials and soldiers)
and if anyone knows anything about martial arts in vietnam
at the time i would apreciate it.

from what i think i know is that viets soldiers at the time wore
those pointy cone shape hats and clothing similiar to the chinese
achitecture like those curvy rooftop chinese houses, thats prety much
all i know.

it be cool if you guys can give me some cool names and surnames
im not to familiar with vietnames names of the 19th century
i was thinkin Ha Vinh for the uncle of one of the main characters.

i title the the comic "Yek Faced Heroes"
chosenone22
Sounds interesting. Is this for your own personal gratification or or you going to publish it locally or on the internet for others to view?
NTV
i think these might work




ranmatatsumaru
QUOTE (Sopheak @ Dec 5 2004, 11:54 PM)
it be cool if you guys can give me some cool names and surnames
im not to familiar with vietnames names of the 19th century

i title the the comic "Yek Faced Heroes"
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Here's a list of several of the most common surnames:
bâu, bành, beo, báo, bươu, bùi, cát, cẩu, cảu, càu, cú, câu, câu, cầm, cho, chẩu, chõ, chu, chung, cò, cừu, day, nhai, đặng, đẵng, đựng, nựng, đạc, đác, đàm, đàn, đào, đổng, đỏng, đúng, đủng, đũng, xổng, đồng, giồng, đỗ, đậu, đỏ, đổ, diêm, diêu, rêu, dơ, dư, dờ, dương, dàng, giang, giăng, nhăng, hàn, hãn, hoắc, hoác, hoàn, hoàng, hòang, hổ, hỗn, thêm, thiêm, hùng, kê, khố, kho, khó, khu, khù, lam, chàm, rôm, rườm, lận, lăn, lấn, lật, lặt, lứt, rật, lâm, lăm, lầm, lim, lom, lùm, lâu, sau, lã, lả, lỡ, lử, lữa, rả, rứa, trả, trở, lê, lí, lý, liêu, lộc, lư, lờ, lừ, lương, lưu, lũ, lụ, mai, môi, mui, mã, mứa, mựa, mõ, nạo, nữu, nam, nga, ngoẹo, thiêu, ngô, ngo, ngư, ngơ, ngớ, ngừ, nguồn, nguyên, nguỵ, nguyễn, ngán, ngón, ngoãn, ngũ, phắc, phác, vóc, phó, quách, quí, táo, táu, tảo, tang, tân, tào, thầm, thòm, xầm, thìa, thì, thôi, thoi, thòi, tía, tử, tống, tôn, trang, đồ, dưa, trần, rần, trằn, trườn, trịnh, chạnh, trọng, vô, vu, vương, vướng, xâu, yết, khổng, hỏng, hổng, khỏng, khủng, hùynh, minh, phạm, phạn

What does yek mean?
PervertBurger
khổng

The word NO is a surname?
ranmatatsumaru
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No, "no" isn't khổng it's không
Sopheak
WOW THANKS GUYS, this is amazing.


Chosenone22
- its gonna be for school, and its good pratice for me, i might put it on the net


NTV
- Thanks for the nice pictures, wow vietname looks nice, i didnt know they ride
elephants too, damn, i didnt know, my drawing with the viet military is way off.

- viet swords, wow, very artistic and nice craftsmanship

- thank you very much, amazing stuff


ranmatatsumaru

- wow thats a lot of names, very useul, thanks a lot
- thats gotta have taken you a while to type all that unless you just copy and past
- Yek means Giant/beast/monster or sumin


PervertBurger and ranmatatsumaru

- i dont know what you guys talking bout lol,
- where did this "Khong" came from lol

well thanks a lot guys, i gotta save these right away
good stuff

those horeses, are they mustang? cause they prety small
NTV
you're welcome. it's also interesting to note that: for the decaputating procedure (i guess this was a major part of the law for many countries then); the executioner used a "Dao" with large blade that looks Chinese, but its long handle suggests Thai or Japanese origins (?)

ranmatatsumaru
QUOTE (Sopheak @ Dec 7 2004, 12:02 AM)
ranmatatsumaru

- wow thats a lot of names, very useul, thanks a lot
- thats gotta have taken you a while to type all that unless you just copy and past
- Yek means Giant/beast/monster or sumin
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-No problem icon_smile.gif
-Yeah, I copied and pasted. I have a Word document that lists them all
-Ah, I see! So that must be a Khmer word, neh? That's just like ยักษ์ (yak) which is a Thai word that means the same thing
July_Rain
Uhm...Vietnamese martial arts? I can tell you briefly about Binh Dinh style, a indigenous Vietnamese form originated from Binh Dinh, one of many Vietnamese martial art styles. I've practiced this style for many years since I am a Binh Dinh native. The style has its roots in a late 18th century. Binh Dinh martial art was used in training Vietnamese soldiers. It has been proven effective, led to the heavily defeats of 50,000 Siamese in the South and more than 200,000 Ching troops in North Vietnam (1788). Binh Dinh style is very aggressive, as befits its origins on the battle-field. My master told me that at first, it was intended for use by the average local person. It was actually developed as a means of petting technique over strength so that local farmers could battle the jungle elements such as boars and tigers...ect. People can use such everyday objects as sticks, knifes, or even scrafs to fend off physically stronger or more numerous opponents.

The moves of the Binh Dinh style are based on maintaining a low center of gravity rather than using high-flying kicks, the muscles play secondary roles, but the use of elbows and knees very greatly. Probably because of these traits, Binh Dinh style is suitable for both men and women to learn. Binh Dinh techniques are varied and continuing to develop through innovative personal experience and ongoing growth in knowledge of practitioners. Just a sketchy say, there are about 12 main stances, 18 forms of bladed weapons ( I’ve mostly practiced double edged straight sword and short stick), and a number of patterns, forms, including fist methods (punches, chops, palm strikes, styles’ claw fist, elbows ) and kicking methods (front kicks, chopping kicks, back kicks, side kicks)
ranmatatsumaru
More martial arts:
Cuong Nhu
Cuong Nhu is an integrated martial art, developed originally by Dr. Ngo Dong of Vietnam in 1965 at the University of Hue. He synthesized a system that blends elements of Shotokan Karate, Wing Chun, Judo, Aikido, Tai Chi Chuan, Boxing, and Vo Vi Nam. As the art has matured it has added elements of Neko-Ryu and various weapons forms.

Cuong Nhu translates as Hard-Soft, and integrates both hard and soft techniques into its own system. Students at lower levels focus on learning hard techniques, blocking, kicking, etc. and then move onto softer styles of blocks and throws.

Cuong Nhu first came from Vietnam to the United States in 1971 with Dr. Ngo Dong, and finally relocated its headquarters to the U.S. in 1977, following the escape of the doctor and his family. The first U.S. dojo was founded at the University of Florida in Gainesville. The style has spread to 67 dojos across the U.S. and several in other countries. The current head of Cuong Nhu is Grandmaster Quynh Ngo.

Basic instruction uses Kata (set movement patterns) to teach the student various stances, blocks, punches, kicks, and applications of the movements in self-defence techniques. Cuong Nhu includes at higher levels the study of weapons, including the bo (long staff), tambo (half staff), tonfa, sai, and spear.

Vo Vi Nam
Vo Vi Nam, also known as Vo Vi Nam Viet Vo Dao, is arguably the most famous style of Vietnamese martial art. Founded by the late Founder Nguyen Loc in 1938, and perfected by Grandmaster Le Sang, Vo Vi Nam is highly systematic and offer a wide range of techniques, but most famous for its "scissors" kicks. Vo Vi Nam concentrates on the Founder's "Revolution of Mind, Body, and Soul" philosophy, and thus it values single techniques, dual fighting, and katas on the same scale - where individual techniques are plans, dual fighting applies those techniques into practical means, and katas help review them.

Vo Vi Nam growth has escalated in recent years - most noticeably in Russia, North America, and Europe where the French Ministry of Youth, Sports, and Society formally supports it (free renting of studios, financial support for social events, etc.) This trend might be the reflection of Vo Vi Nam's various techniques that attract spectators. These range from soft forms (like those of Taichi), traditional Vietnamese forms, to forms that follows the Founder's philosophy. Vo Vi Nam teaches weapons including the sword, dao, kwandao, fan, axe, machete, knife (and the unique double knives), long and short staff, handgun, and rifle. Vo Vi Nam self-defense techniques have many levels that range from hand-to-hand combat to hand against weapons (praised for it hand against handgun and rifle.)
Sopheak
Whao i didnt know i was getting more infos, sorry i havent replied

NTV:
nice! could be useful
We khmer's call the sword "Dao" too

July Rain:
hmm binh dinh style eh??? Perfect! im gonna research more on that
thank you july rain

ranmatatsumaru:
yeah read aobut arts. they sound like great martial arts and would most likely look cool in my graphic novel but the problem is that the comic (graphic novel) takes place mid 19th century. Cuong Nhu and Vo Vi Nam are from 20th century so i wont be able to used them, but thanks anyways though


Thanks to everyone, i have also heard of Vit Vo Dao, wondering you guys think they used it in the 19th century, all i know is that its a very ancient martial arts and dont know if they used it then
WhoAmI
ranmatatsumaru: I'm pretty sure Vovinam was founded much earlier than 1983. like in the early 1900s. maybe its a typo? probably should be 1938 perhaps?
ranmatatsumaru
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Hmm...
According to my source, it's 1983. Perhaps it is a typo though
July_Rain
QUOTE (sopheak)
i have also heard of Vit Vo Dao, wondering you guys think they used it in the 19th century

VietVoDao=Vovinam.
At the intermediated level, Vovinam do share some common traits with other Vietnamese martial arts styles, including traditional martial arts VoBinhDinh. Vovinam is a reformed art from many Vietnamese styles ... and its current form is derived from incorporating many other styles of modern arts. I think leg attack techniques are Vovinam's most popular techniques.

QUOTE
hmm binh dinh style eh??? Perfect! im gonna research more on that

In case you have more questions regarding techniques and else, PM me. I will try to answer it with what I've learned.
QUOTE (ranmatatsumaru)
According to my source, it's 1983. Perhaps it is a typo though

WhoAmI is right, Vovinam was founded by master Nguyen Loc in early 1900s, I don't remember exactly the year, but it's definitely not 1983.
NTV
QUOTE (July_Rain @ Dec 16 2004, 10:01 PM)
WhoAmI is right, Vovinam was founded by master Nguyen Loc in early 1900s, I don't remember exactly the year, but it's definitely not 1983.
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it's 1938.
http://cclib.nsu.ru/projects/satbi/satbi-e...rt/vietnam.html
Dara
QUOTE (ranmatatsumaru @ Dec 7 2004, 03:18 PM)
QUOTE (Sopheak @ Dec 7 2004, 12:02 AM)
ranmatatsumaru

- wow thats a lot of names, very useul, thanks a lot
- thats gotta have taken you a while to type all that unless you just copy and past
- Yek means Giant/beast/monster or sumin
*

-No problem icon_smile.gif
-Yeah, I copied and pasted. I have a Word document that lists them all
-Ah, I see! So that must be a Khmer word, neh? That's just like ยักษ์ (yak) which is a Thai word that means the same thing
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It's from the same origins and even spelled the same (ยักษ์/យក្ស=yks)..just different pronounciation.
ranmatatsumaru
QUOTE (NTV @ Dec 17 2004, 11:17 AM)
QUOTE (July_Rain @ Dec 16 2004, 10:01 PM)
WhoAmI is right, Vovinam was founded by master Nguyen Loc in early 1900s, I don't remember exactly the year, but it's definitely not 1983.
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it's 1938.
http://cclib.nsu.ru/projects/satbi/satbi-e...rt/vietnam.html
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I guess it is a typo then
Sopheak
early 1900s, 1938 or 1983, it wont be much help since they 20th century arts.

i need mid-19th century, so cant be martial arts created after around 1850s

but were there vietnamese martial artists that studied chinese martial arts and was it common?


July Rain : thanks, im sure to pm you, when i need help

but this project wont start till there will be a project that will let me do a project like this, im sure there will be, if not im gonna do one for fun cause i like my story.
im currently doing one for fun based on a old cam tale. im excited about them both.
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