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sonnet113
What do you think about arranged marriages? The trend I see is that men in the US return to VN and pick brides like people pick out cattle or something, it's insulting. These men claim that they're saving the girl from poverty and hardship; of course her parents agree and forces her into marriage. What right do they have to claim themselves "saviors"?!
The whole process is fishy, leaves a bad taste in my mouth. icon_sad.gif
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (sonnet113 @ Dec 3 2004, 12:16 AM)
What do you think about arranged marriages? The trend I see is that men in the US return to VN and pick brides like people pick out cattle or something, it's insulting. These men claim that they're saving the girl from poverty and hardship; of course her parents agree and forces her into marriage.  What right do they have to claim themselves "saviors"?!
The whole process is fishy, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  icon_sad.gif
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Yah, I agree. But these men from the U.S. are mostly Viets.

Oh well, at least it's better than the ones in taiwan, korea, and china. *Shrug*
sonnet113
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Dec 3 2004, 01:17 AM)
QUOTE (sonnet113 @ Dec 3 2004, 12:16 AM)
What do you think about arranged marriages? The trend I see is that men in the US return to VN and pick brides like people pick out cattle or something, it's insulting. These men claim that they're saving the girl from poverty and hardship; of course her parents agree and forces her into marriage.  What right do they have to claim themselves "saviors"?!
The whole process is fishy, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.   icon_sad.gif
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Yah, I agree. But these men from the U.S. are mostly Viets.

Oh well, at least it's better than the ones in taiwan, korea, and china. *Shrug*
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Most people respond the same way you do, it's "Heck, it's better than being slaves in taiwan, korea or china!" Isn't that sad? bawling.gif
The plight of vietnamese women is always more suffering.
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (sonnet113 @ Dec 3 2004, 12:21 AM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Dec 3 2004, 01:17 AM)
QUOTE (sonnet113 @ Dec 3 2004, 12:16 AM)
What do you think about arranged marriages? The trend I see is that men in the US return to VN and pick brides like people pick out cattle or something, it's insulting. These men claim that they're saving the girl from poverty and hardship; of course her parents agree and forces her into marriage.  What right do they have to claim themselves "saviors"?!
The whole process is fishy, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.   icon_sad.gif
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Yah, I agree. But these men from the U.S. are mostly Viets.

Oh well, at least it's better than the ones in taiwan, korea, and china. *Shrug*
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Most people respond the same way you do, it's "Heck, it's better than being slaves in taiwan, korea or china!" Isn't that sad? bawling.gif
The plight of vietnamese women is always more suffering.
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Yah, hopefully it'll change in the next decade or so.
fujisan_8
It wont change until Taiwan, South Korea and China balance up its male-female ratios.
PervertBurger
At least most of the men who do it are Vietnamese. If it was another race you'd have trouble on your hands.
jonii-wanwan
These woman from Vietnam still get a choice whether to marry or not though. It benefits them as much as it benefits the man.
unattractiveguy
I i think its a idiology idea.Who would want to marry person who they have know or to say have any emotion for.Beside, most of the marriages that i know involve arrangement ending up to be a diaster. icon_sad.gif
vIeTpRidEs_wOrLdWiDe
QUOTE (fujisan_8 @ Dec 5 2004, 04:41 AM)
It wont change until Taiwan, South Korea and China balance up its male-female ratios.
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fu-ck that sh!t , if i were the gov't , i wouldnt let any mother fu-cking foreigners to marry Viet women without real love , like marry after knowing her 2 days ago !!
fujisan_8
QUOTE (vIeTpRidEs_wOrLdWiDe @ Dec 5 2004, 05:40 PM)
QUOTE (fujisan_8 @ Dec 5 2004, 04:41 AM)
It wont change until Taiwan, South Korea and China balance up its male-female ratios.
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fu-ck that sh!t , if i were the gov't , i wouldnt let any mother fu-cking foreigners to marry Viet women without real love , like marry after knowing her 2 days ago !!
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Its not just these men too, but generally speaking the men from these countries are usually the ones who are farmers, uneducated (or have very low levels of education) or are too damn old (widowed or divorced) and they can't get any pussy back in their own country. It's not just the Asians either, there are hoardes of Whites from the West (who are mostly losers themselves) who raid Vietnam for women.

On the same token, many of these women who marry for the sake of it (usually financially driven for their families/themselves) isnt your typical beauty either, usually they are farmgirls with very little / no education. Plus, there are quite a number of "bad apples" as well, many cases of women marrying here in Australia are often quite sneaky, once they get their residency, they divorce the guy (even after having kids)....some already have bfs/husbands back home.

In my street there is this man who has "married" (he's white australian btw) and he treats her like an object. I once passed by and said Hello to his wife, the next day, he comes angrily knocking on my door to warn me and otehrs about even talking to his wife (he is 65 and his bride is 22).
transtic
Yea, in a lot of the cases.. the girl fools her husband into thinking that she's in love with him.. then when they get here, they divorce and start bringing thier family over. then theres the guys who do it for the money.
ranmatatsumaru
QUOTE (sonnet113 @ Dec 2 2004, 11:16 PM)
What do you think about arranged marriages?
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I like the concept of arranged marriage
sonnet113
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I like the concept of arranged marriage

sure, you just don't want it done unto you.
直隸總督
I heard a Vietnamese in Australia was going to marry his own aunt.
GenomVirues
now lets not play whos marrying thier cousin and whos not
chosenone22
QUOTE (直隸總督 @ Dec 6 2004, 02:04 AM)
I heard a Vietnamese in Australia was going to marry his own aunt.
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I don't think its for love or and sexual thing. He's just trying to bring her into the country or something.
kimme006
Girls from Viet Nam are an extremely desirable group because they often are brought up to be good wives, not subservient but team players. Anyone brought up in the US of I is probably not that good a bet because everyone here is raised and forced to be so autonomus. This is the most lonely place on earth I'm told and I don't doubt it. I think an arranged marriage can be a disaster, but consider it in a positive way: (IF) both parties are going into a veritable unknown but with formost plans to make it work. The house is built now and then the fire is to be lit. In love marriages, the fire is there, but no house. Then lo, the fire burns out and divorce. It's always a coin toss, but if both parties (not parents) are truely willing and put the other first, it can really work. I know it sure dosen't usually work from the "love" format. The real love must develope after the marriage regardsess. Don't judge.
I also think if a gringo (or gringo Viet, an Americanized one) marries a girl from the Nam, he damn well better know the culture and be prepared to learn the language. No mean task.
Theoretically an arranged marriage involves the families more, that is the nha I was referring to. The foundation.
康师傅
QUOTE (kimme006 @ Feb 9 2005, 08:05 PM)
Girls from Viet Nam are an extremely desirable group because they often are brought up to be good wives, not subservient but team players.  Anyone brought up in the US of I is probably not that good a bet because everyone here is raised and forced to be so autonomus.  This is the most lonely place on earth I'm told and I don't doubt it.  I think an arranged marriage can be a disaster, but consider it in a positive way:  (IF) both parties are going into a veritable unknown but with formost plans to make it work.  The house is built now and then the fire is to be lit.  In love marriages, the fire is there, but no house.  Then lo, the fire burns out and divorce.  It's always a coin toss, but if both parties (not parents) are truely willing and put the other first, it can really work.   I know it sure dosen't usually work from the "love" format.  The real love must develope after the marriage regardsess.  Don't judge.
  I also think if a gringo (or gringo Viet, an Americanized one) marries a girl from the Nam, he damn well better know the culture and be prepared to learn the language.  No mean task.
   Theoretically an arranged marriage involves the families more,  that is the nha I was referring to.  The foundation.
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i think because they are cheap and can't speak(language disablility)..
and we chinese didn't force them to marry us... they choose us so we can give them a better live..
kimme006
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Feb 9 2005, 08:10 PM)
QUOTE (kimme006 @ Feb 9 2005, 08:05 PM)
Girls from Viet Nam are an extremely desirable group because they often are brought up to be good wives, not subservient but team players.  Anyone brought up in the US of I is probably not that good a bet because everyone here is raised and forced to be so autonomus.  This is the most lonely place on earth I'm told and I don't doubt it.  I think an arranged marriage can be a disaster, but consider it in a positive way:  (IF) both parties are going into a veritable unknown but with formost plans to make it work.  The house is built now and then the fire is to be lit.  In love marriages, the fire is there, but no house.  Then lo, the fire burns out and divorce.  It's always a coin toss, but if both parties (not parents) are truely willing and put the other first, it can really work.   I know it sure dosen't usually work from the "love" format.  The real love must develope after the marriage regardsess.  Don't judge.
  I also think if a gringo (or gringo Viet, an Americanized one) marries a girl from the Nam, he damn well better know the culture and be prepared to learn the language.  No mean task.
   Theoretically an arranged marriage involves the families more,  that is the nha I was referring to.  The foundation.
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i think because they are cheap and can't speak(language disablility)..
and we chinese didn't force them to marry us... they choose us so we can give them a better live..
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kimme006
QUOTE (kimme006 @ Feb 9 2005, 08:13 PM)
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Feb 9 2005, 08:10 PM)
QUOTE (kimme006 @ Feb 9 2005, 08:05 PM)
Girls from Viet Nam are an extremely desirable group because they often are brought up to be good wives, not subservient but team players.  Anyone brought up in the US of I is probably not that good a bet because everyone here is raised and forced to be so autonomus.  This is the most lonely place on earth I'm told and I don't doubt it.  I think an arranged marriage can be a disaster, but consider it in a positive way:  (IF) both parties are going into a veritable unknown but with formost plans to make it work.  The house is built now and then the fire is to be lit.  In love marriages, the fire is there, but no house.  Then lo, the fire burns out and divorce.  It's always a coin toss, but if both parties (not parents) are truely willing and put the other first, it can really work.   I know it sure dosen't usually work from the "love" format.  The real love must develope after the marriage regardsess.  Don't judge.
  I also think if a gringo (or gringo Viet, an Americanized one) marries a girl from the Nam, he damn well better know the culture and be prepared to learn the language.  No mean task.
   Theoretically an arranged marriage involves the families more,  that is the nha I was referring to.  The foundation.
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i think because they are cheap and can't speak(language disablility)..
and we chinese didn't force them to marry us... they choose us so we can give them a better live..
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康师傅
QUOTE (kimme006 @ Feb 9 2005, 08:15 PM)
QUOTE (kimme006 @ Feb 9 2005, 08:13 PM)
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Feb 9 2005, 08:10 PM)
QUOTE (kimme006 @ Feb 9 2005, 08:05 PM)
Girls from Viet Nam are an extremely desirable group because they often are brought up to be good wives, not subservient but team players.  Anyone brought up in the US of I is probably not that good a bet because everyone here is raised and forced to be so autonomus.  This is the most lonely place on earth I'm told and I don't doubt it.  I think an arranged marriage can be a disaster, but consider it in a positive way:  (IF) both parties are going into a veritable unknown but with formost plans to make it work.  The house is built now and then the fire is to be lit.  In love marriages, the fire is there, but no house.  Then lo, the fire burns out and divorce.  It's always a coin toss, but if both parties (not parents) are truely willing and put the other first, it can really work.   I know it sure dosen't usually work from the "love" format.  The real love must develope after the marriage regardsess.  Don't judge.
  I also think if a gringo (or gringo Viet, an Americanized one) marries a girl from the Nam, he damn well better know the culture and be prepared to learn the language.  No mean task.
   Theoretically an arranged marriage involves the families more,  that is the nha I was referring to.  The foundation.
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i think because they are cheap and can't speak(language disablility)..
and we chinese didn't force them to marry us... they choose us so we can give them a better live..
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wuzup with u?
Simon_UK
I dont see anything wrong If Vietnamese woman want to marry a Foreign man, provided Its genuine/or Relative........... What grates me off is the Mafia Element Trickery. Sick freaks !....Also The average western man earns $700 per week and lives in a country were you can speak your words Freely. No Pollution a cleaner country Im not suprised that Vn girls want to get out.
DaiNamViet
QUOTE (PervertBurger @ Dec 5 2004, 03:58 AM)
At least most of the men who do it are Vietnamese. If it was another race you'd have trouble on your hands.
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Yep at least they ain't complete foreigners.. beerchug.gif
Byron
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No Pollution a cleaner country


I think most industrialized countries have more pollution than Vietnam.

Oh and if the women do want to go, then they can go, but I think they should sign an agreement to never to come back to Vietnam as they would probably come back with children or something, and that could increase our population even more.

Vietnam has too much population and the only benefit I see from this is that it will ease the population for us. But i they come back then Vietnam loses this benefit.
Simon_UK
Hi Byron, With western Industrialised Countries come better Emmission reduction Technology, For Example Catalytic Convertor If Applied Mechanically To Motorcycles and Kept Low Cost, Would be Very beneficial for the HCMC Population Then People can throw away there face masks, Better health would follow as would houses become cleaner. It would be nice to see the VC Government if they one day have time to think about that, Actually Do it. Not sayiong the west is perfect far from it I am just stating some things are better.

As for Not allowing Vn woman Back Or to Sign a declaration Never to be allowed back is A Bit harsh, Dont forget they still have family in Vietnam. By all means Taxi Girls should sign and so should the Very Corrupt.
Reagrds Simon.
Byron
Thing is, Vietnam is more cleaner because it's not industrialized. So how much smoke can Vietnam emit with very few factories anyway? Vietnam is not industrialized and is mostly a farming economy.

No it's not harsh to make them sign a declaration. It acts as a deterrant against these marriages where the girls are getting married for money instead of love, so signing this declaration may let them think very hard if this is something they really want to do. As well as it helps keep the population under control. As they might come back with their children as well.

The declaration should let them come back to visit, but can't come back to live.

When a husband from another country buys a wife or something, that is now their responsbility and if they want to return them, then tough luck, no returns. icon_smile.gif
chinowei
QUOTE (Byron @ Feb 10 2005, 12:56 AM)
Thing is, Vietnam is more cleaner because it's not industrialized.  So how much smoke can Vietnam emit with very few factories anyway?  Vietnam is not industrialized and is mostly a farming economy.

No it's not harsh to make them sign a declaration.  It acts as a deterrant against these marriages where the girls are getting married for money instead of love, so signing this declaration may let them think very hard if this is something they really want to do.  As well as it helps keep the population under control.  As they might come back with their children as well.

The declaration should let them come back to visit, but can't come back to live.

When a husband from another country buys a wife or something, that is now their responsbility and if they want to return them, then tough luck, no returns.  icon_smile.gif
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i wonder why that river at HO CHI MING city stink as hell..and street dirty as hell..
Byron
QUOTE (chinowei @ Feb 10 2005, 06:17 AM)
QUOTE (Byron @ Feb 10 2005, 12:56 AM)
Thing is, Vietnam is more cleaner because it's not industrialized.  So how much smoke can Vietnam emit with very few factories anyway?  Vietnam is not industrialized and is mostly a farming economy.

No it's not harsh to make them sign a declaration.  It acts as a deterrant against these marriages where the girls are getting married for money instead of love, so signing this declaration may let them think very hard if this is something they really want to do.  As well as it helps keep the population under control.  As they might come back with their children as well.

The declaration should let them come back to visit, but can't come back to live.

When a husband from another country buys a wife or something, that is now their responsbility and if they want to return them, then tough luck, no returns.  icon_smile.gif
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i wonder why that river at HO CHI MING city stink as hell..and street dirty as hell..
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You really want me to have a debate with you over which country has less pollution? Vietnam or China?

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/chinaenv.html

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Air pollution
A report released in 1998 by the World Health Organization (WHO) noted that of the ten most polluted cities in the world, seven can be found in China. Sulfur dioxide and soot caused by coal combustion are two major air pollutants, resulting in the formation of acid rain, which now falls on about 30% of China's total land area. Industrial boilers and furnaces consume almost half of China's coal and are the largest single point sources of urban air pollution.


7 of the top 10 most polluted cities in the world are Chinese. Yet you don't see me talking about how dirty Chinese cities are. In fact I never even brought up China in this post until you started making these attacks.

Just shows you that people who think that industrialize countries have more cleaner air than non-industrialized cities are wrong. How can you have more pollution if you aren't industrialized enough to emit the smoke?
chosenone22
QUOTE (Byron @ Feb 10 2005, 08:21 AM)
QUOTE (chinowei @ Feb 10 2005, 06:17 AM)
QUOTE (Byron @ Feb 10 2005, 12:56 AM)
Thing is, Vietnam is more cleaner because it's not industrialized.  So how much smoke can Vietnam emit with very few factories anyway?  Vietnam is not industrialized and is mostly a farming economy.

No it's not harsh to make them sign a declaration.  It acts as a deterrant against these marriages where the girls are getting married for money instead of love, so signing this declaration may let them think very hard if this is something they really want to do.  As well as it helps keep the population under control.  As they might come back with their children as well.

The declaration should let them come back to visit, but can't come back to live.

When a husband from another country buys a wife or something, that is now their responsbility and if they want to return them, then tough luck, no returns.  icon_smile.gif
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i wonder why that river at HO CHI MING city stink as hell..and street dirty as hell..
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You really want me to have a debate with you over which country has less pollution? Vietnam or China?

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/chinaenv.html

QUOTE
Air pollution
A report released in 1998 by the World Health Organization (WHO) noted that of the ten most polluted cities in the world, seven can be found in China. Sulfur dioxide and soot caused by coal combustion are two major air pollutants, resulting in the formation of acid rain, which now falls on about 30% of China's total land area. Industrial boilers and furnaces consume almost half of China's coal and are the largest single point sources of urban air pollution.


7 of the top 10 most polluted cities in the world are Chinese. Yet you don't see me talking about how dirty Chinese cities are. In fact I never even brought up China in this post until you started making these attacks.

Just shows you that people who think that industrialize countries have more cleaner air than non-industrialized cities are wrong. How can you have more pollution if you aren't industrialized enough to emit the smoke?
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Chinowei got OWNED hahaha.
PervertBurger
lolzzz
shetyamout
QUOTE
7 of the top 10 most polluted cities in the world are Chinese.  Yet you don't see me talking about how dirty Chinese cities are.  In fact I never even brought up China in this post until you started making these attacks.

Just shows you that people who think that industrialize countries have more cleaner air than non-industrialized cities are wrong.  How can you have more pollution if you aren't industrialized enough to emit the smoke


I dont doubt that China has dirter cities but as far as Vietnam, Saigon pollution level beat any cities in the US or Western cities! Do you see people wearing mask everywher e you go?

Anyway back to the topic, I used to think that guys that goes back to viet to get marry are degrading to the women back there. However as I get older, my opinions changed. From our prospective how can someone just go meet someone and get marry without knowing them. Well for starter, there are people that still havent adapted to the culture here in the US, they work here, they live here but they hold a different lifestyle. On top of that meeting someone in harder than ever.. Asian girls these day tend to date white guys(there is nothing wrong with that, just creating a uneven balance for asian male).

Look at the divorce rate these days, marriage are harder and harder to maintain. girls from Vn at least have a good core value so their idea of a family is still traditional. Marriage takes work regardless if you start out in love or trying to find love after the marriage. Most case it works out for both parties, the girls end up having new opportunities and help out her family (monetary value). The guy gets to have a family instead of probably being single and lonely for the rest of their lives. Hopefully in the end, they will love each other. Of course there are a few bad apples in the bunch where they have alternative motivates.

Granted this is not ideal for everyone but I have seen this work in two cases.
vIeTpRidEs_wOrLdWiDe
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Feb 9 2005, 08:10 PM)
QUOTE (kimme006 @ Feb 9 2005, 08:05 PM)
Girls from Viet Nam are an extremely desirable group because they often are brought up to be good wives, not subservient but team players.  Anyone brought up in the US of I is probably not that good a bet because everyone here is raised and forced to be so autonomus.  This is the most lonely place on earth I'm told and I don't doubt it.  I think an arranged marriage can be a disaster, but consider it in a positive way:  (IF) both parties are going into a veritable unknown but with formost plans to make it work.  The house is built now and then the fire is to be lit.  In love marriages, the fire is there, but no house.  Then lo, the fire burns out and divorce.  It's always a coin toss, but if both parties (not parents) are truely willing and put the other first, it can really work.   I know it sure dosen't usually work from the "love" format.  The real love must develope after the marriage regardsess.  Don't judge.
  I also think if a gringo (or gringo Viet, an Americanized one) marries a girl from the Nam, he damn well better know the culture and be prepared to learn the language.  No mean task.
   Theoretically an arranged marriage involves the families more,  that is the nha I was referring to.  The foundation.
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i think because they are cheap and can't speak(language disablility)..
and we chinese didn't force them to marry us... they choose us so we can give them a better live..
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those chinaman are some sick , old mother fu-ckers, dumbasses uneducated people would wanna marry a girl by money . That prove that by the year of 2005 , chinaman still are "not very smart enough" embarassedlaugh.gif2
康师傅
QUOTE (vIeTpRidEs_wOrLdWiDe @ Feb 10 2005, 11:15 AM)
QUOTE (康师傅 @ Feb 9 2005, 08:10 PM)
QUOTE (kimme006 @ Feb 9 2005, 08:05 PM)
Girls from Viet Nam are an extremely desirable group because they often are brought up to be good wives, not subservient but team players.  Anyone brought up in the US of I is probably not that good a bet because everyone here is raised and forced to be so autonomus.  This is the most lonely place on earth I'm told and I don't doubt it.  I think an arranged marriage can be a disaster, but consider it in a positive way:  (IF) both parties are going into a veritable unknown but with formost plans to make it work.  The house is built now and then the fire is to be lit.  In love marriages, the fire is there, but no house.  Then lo, the fire burns out and divorce.  It's always a coin toss, but if both parties (not parents) are truely willing and put the other first, it can really work.   I know it sure dosen't usually work from the "love" format.  The real love must develope after the marriage regardsess.  Don't judge.
  I also think if a gringo (or gringo Viet, an Americanized one) marries a girl from the Nam, he damn well better know the culture and be prepared to learn the language.  No mean task.
   Theoretically an arranged marriage involves the families more,  that is the nha I was referring to.  The foundation.
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i think because they are cheap and can't speak(language disablility)..
and we chinese didn't force them to marry us... they choose us so we can give them a better live..
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those chinaman are some sick , old mother fu-ckers, dumbasses uneducated people would wanna marry a girl by money . That prove that by the year of 2005 , chinaman still are "not very smart enough" embarassedlaugh.gif2
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dude that's the reality..
AN NAN women are ugly anyway... dark as chocolate
康师傅
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menghuy
QUOTE (jonii-wanwan @ Dec 5 2004, 04:03 AM)
These woman from Vietnam still get a choice whether to marry or not though. It benefits them as much as it benefits the man.
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yea like locking her up and fooking her every night
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