tooney
Nov 28 2003, 04:31 PM
who are the viet congs?
IYIiDWeSt_T.S.I3
Nov 28 2003, 06:10 PM
this is wat i think of them....they r evil....the vietcong r the people tat usa,sum laos,and hmong tat fought in the vietnam war....they kill inocent people...and bla bla bla..
supernovasp
Nov 28 2003, 08:13 PM
Vietcongs were north vietnamese who fought for the communist, and its party leader was Hochiminh. I found it offensive that people think all vietnamese are communist. America was there to help and fought with the South Vietnamese, not just fought alone. It's just like the Korean War.
VooDiak
Nov 28 2003, 08:37 PM
traitors...
IYIiDWeSt_T.S.I3
Nov 28 2003, 09:47 PM
huh...traitors?...anyway i forgot about south vietnam...lol....
supernovasp
Nov 28 2003, 09:57 PM
QUOTE (VooDiak @ Nov 28 2003, 09:37 PM)
traitors...
That's my parent's opion about America in Vietnam War
dr00_win
Nov 28 2003, 10:20 PM
Exactly. How can you call VC traitors when it was Americans who sold out at the end of the war....=\
Ogumo
Nov 28 2003, 10:28 PM
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Nov 28 2003, 09:13 PM)
America was there to help and fought with the South Vietnamese, not just fought alone. It's just like the Korean War.
They hurt more than they helped.
aznboi
Nov 28 2003, 10:43 PM
The VC were only interested in joining the North and South together again. They weren't originally communist. They sided with the communists because they were their only support. I won't argue that the many innocent lives were lost at VC hands but America did it's damage as well. Run a search on "Phoenix Project CIA" on google and you'll see what I mean. These things are never one sided.
Hung-gate
Nov 28 2003, 10:48 PM
QUOTE
America was there to help and fought with the South Vietnamese, not just fought alone. It's just like the Korean War.
And "they" helped north vietnamese defeated American imperialism during vietnam war. yeah, just like korean war.
In later on 1979 "they" again taught all the vietnamese a lesson about whom they shouldn't mess up with.
IYIiDWeSt_T.S.I3
Nov 28 2003, 11:41 PM
yea american was sum bunch of wuzz or traitor...no ofz.....cuz they left the hmong n sum lao people alone to fight the war....and still today....sad.....
VooDiak
Nov 29 2003, 12:49 AM
no i meant this:
they shouldn't have worked with the Americans...they betrayed cambodians..correct me if i'm wrong...
Colordevil
Nov 29 2003, 01:28 AM
sad,and sorry to say, but dont u think americans should prepared more for it at that time b4 attacking??? i mean if they would wait like a yr or so to study n all abt vietnam, they wouldnt lose like that.
n plus, i think the viet cong aint all that, if i were the U.S. president at that time instead of Nixon, i would be sure i would win
IYIiDWeSt_T.S.I3
Nov 29 2003, 01:54 AM
so so tru ...
Colordevil
Nov 29 2003, 02:01 AM
but i think nixon was a real bad president, first, he didnt solve the conflict in vietnam, then the watergate scandal, i mean the least he could do was not letting ppl know the watergate thingy man
IYIiDWeSt_T.S.I3
Nov 29 2003, 02:05 AM
HA YEA....DUMBASS NIXON...
no1trishfan
Dec 15 2003, 09:23 PM
Da viet congs r da Vietnamese Communists...(da North)
n da deal wif em is they started a war which many pplz died in...
a simpler way 2 xplain it is no1 likes 2 die n they caused a lot of deaths...dats y viets migrated 2 western countries 4 help....n dats y many viets nowadays r makin a big deal out of it
Not me tho...im da nu generation n wats happend has happend...n no1 in mah family dies cos of da war so i dun really make a big deal outa it
Sorry 2 say dat many died wen they migrated 2 otha countries...*im sooo sorry 4 u*...
HEY! but no gud lookin bak in da past...jus keep ahead wif da future
IYIiDWeSt_T.S.I3
Dec 15 2003, 09:35 PM
well....the past is the past.....
lets just think about the future...yea...
my grandfather die in the war...and havent seen any pictures of him....sad....
直隸總督
Dec 15 2003, 09:42 PM
vietcong is the name for vietnamese communists, quite different to the North Vietnamese regulars, but it doesn't matter since they fought on the same side.
Not all south vietnamese people support america, in fact, the political trend was in favor of communism due to imperialism and poverty. If America didn't interfere, vietnam could be peacefully unified without going through the blood war.
supernovasp
Dec 16 2003, 03:45 PM
QUOTE (直隸總督 @ Dec 15 2003, 10:42 PM)
vietcong is the name for vietnamese communists, quite different to the North Vietnamese regulars, but it doesn't matter since they fought on the same side.
Not all south vietnamese people support america, in fact, the political trend was in favor of communism due to imperialism and poverty. If America didn't interfere, vietnam could be peacefully unified without going through the blood war.
Saigon's economic growth after 1945 was equal Hong Kong actually. Vietnam splitted before the America decided to land on South Vietnam
1-hMoNg-LaDy
Dec 16 2003, 04:33 PM
That is a very interesting questions...
WHO ARE THE VIET CONG?
I GOT A QUESTION:
HOW DID THE VIET CONG STARTED?
AND WHY VIET CONG?
Cevilgenius
Dec 16 2003, 05:11 PM
Vietcong is a nickname.. forgot where it come from. Also known as charlie.
I thought vietcong were south vietnamese who defected to North Vietnam to help fight the US, Australians, and South Vietnamese
Colordevil
Dec 16 2003, 07:38 PM
QUOTE (Cevilgenius @ Dec 16 2003, 06:11 PM)
Vietcong is a nickname.. forgot where it come from. Also known as charlie.
I thought vietcong were south vietnamese who defected to North Vietnam to help fight the US, Australians, and South Vietnamese
i thought viet cong r northern viet's commuists???
anyways, i believe they r experts, i am not saying they r neither rite or wrong, just saying that they r experts
Cevilgenius
Dec 16 2003, 09:40 PM
experts? u mean the VC? The VC were just adapted to jungle fighting - as america is adapted to pounding the sh!t out of their enemies with ordinance.
that wasn't too effective in Vietnam because of the mountains and holes....
and can someone answer if VC are northern fighters or souther defecters?
Ogumo
Dec 16 2003, 10:38 PM
I love vietcong fighting tactics. Some rival gurka tactics....
no1trishfan
Dec 17 2003, 03:31 AM
QUOTE (Cevilgenius @ Dec 16 2003, 07:11 PM)
Vietcong is a nickname.. forgot where it come from. Also known as charlie.
actually...da word Viet Cong is a viet word dat means
Viet = meaning Vietnam
Cong = meaning a viet word Cong Sang
Cong means plus in viet, sang means 'sang nghiep'...meaning a persons own valuables
so da whole word of Viet Cong technically means = Vietnamese people who's personally valuables r all equal ... =.... communists (dats wat communists r about, every1 is equal)
Dark-Prophecy
Dec 17 2003, 03:39 PM
QUOTE (no1trishfan @ Dec 17 2003, 04:31 AM)
QUOTE (Cevilgenius @ Dec 16 2003, 07:11 PM)
Vietcong is a nickname.. forgot where it come from. Also known as charlie.
actually...da word Viet Cong is a viet word dat means
Viet = meaning Vietnam
Cong = meaning a viet word Cong Sang
Cong means plus in viet, sang means 'sang nghiep'...meaning a persons own valuables
so da whole word of Viet Cong technically means = Vietnamese people who's personally valuables r all equal ... =.... communists (dats wat communists r about, every1 is equal)
Wow, I just noticed a link between vietnamese and chinese.
gong chan means communist in chinese
Cevilgenius
Dec 17 2003, 04:18 PM
QUOTE (no1trishfan @ Dec 17 2003, 04:31 AM)
QUOTE (Cevilgenius @ Dec 16 2003, 07:11 PM)
Vietcong is a nickname.. forgot where it come from. Also known as charlie.
actually...da word Viet Cong is a viet word dat means
Viet = meaning Vietnam
Cong = meaning a viet word Cong Sang
Cong means plus in viet, sang means 'sang nghiep'...meaning a persons own valuables
so da whole word of Viet Cong technically means = Vietnamese people who's personally valuables r all equal ... =.... communists (dats wat communists r about, every1 is equal)
thx.... what i meant was that Vietcong was created/used in the vietnam war
now... how did charlie come into all this???
Colordevil
Dec 18 2003, 11:24 PM
QUOTE (Cevilgenius @ Dec 16 2003, 10:40 PM)
experts? u mean the VC? The VC were just adapted to jungle fighting - as america is adapted to pounding the sh!t out of their enemies with ordinance.
that wasn't too effective in Vietnam because of the mountains and holes....
and can someone answer if VC are northern fighters or souther defecters?
well, i do not mean that kind of experts, i mean in taking control, not fighting wars.
Even so they might mean the same, yet they r different
evo_tuner
Dec 19 2003, 10:36 AM
wo...man i love this site...it like a history in here....thanks you all people....your my history book....
Smallvietgurl
Dec 19 2003, 07:15 PM
STOP THINKING BAD STUFF ABOUT US! theres bad stuff about other countries too!dont type bad things if you dont want them to reflect back on you! i dotn really know what a viet cong thingy is but i kow it cant be bad killing
IYIiDWeSt_T.S.I3
Dec 19 2003, 08:34 PM
hey we r not makin fun of them nor bad stuff bout them.....
i can careless about the vietcong..
Colordevil
Dec 19 2003, 09:12 PM
QUOTE (evo_tuner @ Dec 19 2003, 11:36 AM)
wo...man i love this site...it like a history in here....thanks you all people....your my history book....

well, topic plz
Kulong
Dec 22 2003, 03:41 AM
QUOTE (IYIiDWeSt_T.S.I3 @ Nov 28 2003, 06:10 PM)
this is wat i think of them....they r evil....they kill inocent people...and bla bla bla..
Ha ha ha... you, my friend, are quite naive. There are no real good and evil in the world, it only exists in stories. In the real world, the "good guys" are generally just winners of conflicts. Ever heard of the saying, "history is written by the victors"? Ever noticed how U.S. is trying to make everyone in the world who doesn't obey them appear "evil"? "Axis of Evil" ring a bell? Ha ha ha... it's all about politics, no government is out to do "good deeds". Do you think the U.S. sent troops and spent money on the Korean and Vietnam wars to "save" the Korean or Vietnamese people? If you do then you're more naive than I thought. U.S. wanted to "contain" communism from spreading (noticed how both North Korea and Viet Cong are communists? Or at least they sided with the Soviet Union.)
Oh, BTW, do you honestly think the "good guys" such as the U.S. doesn't "kill innocent people"?
IYIiDWeSt_T.S.I3
Dec 22 2003, 05:42 AM
i dont kare...thats not true at all...bout the who do not disobey bla bla bla......They got a reason to invade iraq..n If so N-korean.....i can kareless if they invade North korea....this is comin from nowhere but hey...gona support da american army...thank god the Soviet union is gone....ah.
anyway..YES the U.S did kill innocent people...especialy the massacare in mylai...which was very sad.....but kareless.
Kulong
Dec 22 2003, 08:31 PM
QUOTE (IYIiDWeSt_T.S.I3 @ Dec 22 2003, 05:42 AM)
i dont kare...thats not true at all...bout the who do not disobey bla bla bla......They got a reason to invade iraq..n If so N-korean.....i can kareless if they invade North korea....this is comin from nowhere but hey...gona support da american army...thank god the Soviet union is gone....ah.
anyway..YES the U.S did kill innocent people...especialy the massacare in mylai...which was very sad.....but kareless.
You are actually naive enough to fall for U.S. government's propaganda?
U.S. violated international laws by unilaterally invading Iraq even though the U.N. voted against it and U.S. had no proof that Iraq had W.M.D. Even now they still can't find the W.M.D. When Bush senior was president, U.S. was afraid of Iran and embraced Iraq as a potential ally. U.S. supplied Iraq with biological and chemical weapons and armed Saddam's army. But once Saddam grew a backbone and decided not to be U.S.'s lapdog anymore, U.S. invaded. But the first time wasn't a success so Bush junior decided to finish the job his father started.
First Afganistan, then Iraq, and now U.S. is making Libya disarm itself. At this rate, U.S. will eventually be the only country with W.M.D. and no one in the world will be able to defend themselves against the U.S.
It's bad that the Soviet Union is gone? Russia's economy is worse than ever. Before the Soviet Union dissolved, there were two major powers in the world (Soviet and U.S.) and now there's only U.S. Although China is quite powerful but it's not yet powerful enough to put a check on U.S.'s actions. We need balance in the world. Yin and Yang. With U.S. as the only superpower in the world, smaller countries will be left unprotected. From the Iraq invasion, we can tell that U.N. doesn't work on the U.S.
You know how many innocent civilians were killed when U.S. invaded Afganistan and Iraq alone? I read a story in a magazine the other day about how U.S. dropped bombs on a Afgan wedding because they were told they were terrorists.
Cevilgenius
Dec 22 2003, 09:29 PM
Yea... you're right. The US is on a path to world domination. And when you think about it - the US is based on the Romans. The Romans wanted to take over the world.
However, France and Germany are opposing the US. Do you thnk they could do anything?
Colordevil
Dec 22 2003, 11:46 PM
You do not know, because you are not one of them, You will not know, also, becuase you are not one of them.
Kulong
Dec 23 2003, 12:15 AM
QUOTE (Cevilgenius @ Dec 22 2003, 09:29 PM)
Yea... you're right. The US is on a path to world domination. And when you think about it - the US is based on the Romans. The Romans wanted to take over the world.
However, France and Germany are opposing the US. Do you thnk they could do anything?
France and Germany? Don't make me laugh. They are relatively powerful but not nearly as powerful to take on the U.S.
There are three main powers in the world right now:
U.S. - the most powerful one with many "allies" who would turn on them if there's another superpower to side with.
E.U. - If all the European countries would get their acts together and actually work together, they could become the answer to U.S. imperialism.
China - Although much progress have been made, it's still overall a developing nation. If a war were to break up between China and U.S. today, U.S. would win but not without suffering a great deal of unrecoverable damage.
Colordevil
Dec 23 2003, 12:20 AM
topic problem, again, talking about viet cong here
Do you think they were brutal?
Kulong
Dec 23 2003, 12:31 AM
QUOTE (Colordevil @ Dec 23 2003, 12:20 AM)
topic problem, again, talking about viet cong here
Do you think they were brutal?
To say the Viet Cong is or isn't brutal is too much of a blanket statement. You can place a single positive or negative label on an individual or a group of people. This is something children do because when humans are young, they aren't as aware of their environment therefore causing them to be extremely judgemental. "Car is fast", "candy is good", "broccoli is bad"... etc. As mature, logical adults, we should try to avoid judging others.
Colordevil
Dec 23 2003, 12:50 AM
yes, totally agree what you have said, as my theory "Enviroment + Experiences= Actions, personalities, etc."
tooney
Dec 23 2003, 12:04 PM
wow all dis answer hehehe thanx 4 da viet cong part but all i can say is up urs U.S.A dey really suck damn
Cevilgenius
Dec 23 2003, 12:28 PM
lol.... for coz... the US greatly to Vietcong mainly because
- The US adapts to previous wars (WWII - straight fighting)
- The US does not know how to conquer the jungles
- The VC lives there
- The VC knoes the way around
- The US had no support
Colordevil
Dec 23 2003, 08:49 PM
so this comes to one conclusion-VC owns(before) and the US sucks(before)
supernovasp
Dec 24 2003, 12:43 AM
QUOTE (Colordevil @ Dec 23 2003, 09:49 PM)
so this comes to one conclusion-VC owns(before) and the US sucks(before)
no VC doesn't own. They know how to controll people, but can't handle the rest.
Cevilgenius
Dec 24 2003, 01:20 PM
yeah... when you're talking about sheer fighting and military power, the US is more powerful.
But the US made the mistake of going into vietnam, where the VC had control of the area.
直隸總督
Dec 24 2003, 03:18 PM
I agree with Kulong
QUOTE
There are no real good and evil in the world, it only exists in stories. In the real world, the "good guys" are generally just winners of conflicts.
lol, sometimes the "victims" are automatically "good guys"
the Vietcong won the war because they had support from the locals, and they were familiar with the terrains. besides, they also got aids from China.
by the way, in 1979 , Vietnamese tried to invade China but they got screwed by Chinese in 20 days.
Kulong
Dec 24 2003, 07:54 PM
QUOTE (直隸總督 @ Dec 24 2003, 03:18 PM)
by the way, in 1979 , Vietnamese tried to invade China but they got screwed by Chinese in 20 days.
I wouldn't say
screwed, more like
spanked.
Unfortunately, China did had some casualty.
直隸總督
Dec 24 2003, 08:03 PM
QUOTE
wouldn't say screwed, more like spanked.
Unfortunately, China did had some casualty.
sorry, i should say tamed or disciplined
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