Sideley
Nov 28 2004, 02:35 AM
I like this guy, he is so loyal to those who helped Khmers Rouge to kill 2 millions of his people.
NOTE
de
NORODOM SIHANOUK
au sujet du soi-disant "abandon" du Kampuchea Krom
par le Roi Norodom Sihanouk.
Beijing, le 7 Mai 2003
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Cette "histoire" vient d'être soulevée, à Phnom Penh, par une controverse entre S.E. SAM RAINSY, S.E. KHIEU KANHARIT & le journal "CAMBODGE NOUVEAU".
A cet égard, voici ce que j'ai à dire :
1/- Toute ma vie durant, j'ai toujours servi, avec une fidélité et un dévouement totaux, les intérêts supérieurs de ma Patrie, notre Nation, notre Peuple, notre Race.
Sous mon premier règne (1941-1955) et sous le SRN (1955-1969), j'avais, avec l'aide de la France, réussi (en 1947) à faire rendre à notre Cambodge les provinces de Battambang, Siemreap, Kompong Thom, Stung Trèng que la Thailande, avec l'aide du Japon, nous avait enlevées, et j'ai réussi (en 1962) à nous faire rendre (par la Thailande) PREAH VIHEAR, et cela, grâce à un verdict équitable de la Cour Internationale de La Haye.
A partir de 1962, année du retour de PREAH VIHEAR au sein du KAMPUCHEA, j'ai résisté énergiquement jusqu'au bout (c'est-à-dire jusqu'à Février 1970) contre les folles revendications, au profit de "leur" Sud-Vietnam, de nos îles côtières, revendications formulées par les Présidents du SVN successifs: NGO DINH DIEM, NGUYEN VAN THIEU; et contre les incursions armées des troupes terrestres et des hélicoptères-gunships de ces Sud-Vietnamiens.
Jusqu'à ma chute et celle du SRN, le 18 Mars 1970, notre Cambodge ne perdait rien de son intégralité territoriale, de ses terres, mer et îles.
2/- Tous et toutes les Khmers dignes de ce nom regrettent amèrement et très tristement la perte du KAMPUCHEA KROM que les Annamites nous avaient pris par la force; que, après les Annamites, les colonialistes français nous avaient pris; et que, ensuite, la France donna délibérément à l'Empereur BAO DAI pour donner à ce dernier une "chance" (d'ailleurs nulle) de remporter la "victoire" (une victoire d'ailleurs impossible) sur son grand rival HO CHI MINH.
En 1949, peu de temps avant la signature, à Paris, du Traité de 1949 abolissant de jure le Protectorat Français, avec l'abrogation formelle du Traité de 1863 et la Convention de 1884, S.E. SON SANN (KKK) put, en mon nom, avoir des discussions longues et "musclées" avec des autorités françaises, à Paris même, pour faire connaître à la République Française cette position-ci du (1er) Royaume du Cambodge et de son Roi Norodom Sihanouk: "Le Cambodge proteste d'avance contre tout transfert (éventuel) par la France au Vietnam, du Kampuchea Krom. Quand, dans les années 1860, la France décida de conquérir et coloniser tout le Kampuchea Krom, ce dernier était loin d'être conquis à 100% par l'armée d'agression de l'ANNAM. L'Armée khmère de S.M. Preah ANG DUONG, au Kampuchea Krom, résistait héroïquement et avec succès contre cette agression armée de conquête venant de l'Empire d'ANNAM. Donc, si la France, un jour, décide de renoncer à sa colonie appelée "Cochinchine", la moitié au moins de cette Cochinchine devra être rendue au Cambodge".
C'était là ma position de Roi des Khmers. Mais ces discussions khméro-françaises ne pouvaient pas être rendues "publiques" et cela, à cause d'un "NON" de nos "partenaires" français.
Après S.E. SON SANN (en 1949), mes porte-paroles dans le cadre de la Croisade Royale pour l'Indépendance complète du Cambodge (1952-1953) furent S.E. PEN NOUTH et S.E. SAM SARY, chargés formellement par moi (ROI) de continuer les discussions "amicales" avec "Paris" sur le sort du KAMPUCHEA KROM.
Mais, finalement, la France préférera donner à BAO DAI (face à HO CHI MINH) la Cochinchine (Kampuchea Krom).
3/- Ceux et celles qui m'accusent d' "abandonner le Kampuchea Krom" doivent absolument remercier et féliciter (sérieusement) la Mémoire de M. POL POT et ses (vraiment) héroïques militaires KHMERS ROUGES qui, en 1977, 1978 jusqu'au 6 Janvier 1979, ont tout fait pour récupérer le KAMPUCHEA KROM au profit de leur KAMPUCHEA DÉMOCRATIQUE.
Dans cette guerre Polpotienne contre la RSV afin de récupérer le KAMPUCHEA KROM, au moins 100 000 militaires Khmers Rouges furent tués, héroïquement au combat, et au moins 50 000 militaires vietnamiens furent tués.
[Entre parenthèses, je rappelle que, sous la "République Khmère "de Lon Nol, les militaires colonialistes et les colons vietnamiens appartenant au Régime de Nguyen Van Thieu et Nguyen Cao Ky s'étaient avancés jusqu'à Neak Luong qu'ils baptisèrent "Saïgon Moi"-le nouveau Saïgon (sic!)].
Xai
Nov 28 2004, 02:50 AM
You realize that not a lot of people can read French? I'm not sure about a lot of Khmer here, but I can understand just some of the article (I'm just in French 3 x_x)
Translation s'il vous plaît? ^_^
transtic
Nov 28 2004, 05:07 AM
What a load of $hit.
transtic
Nov 28 2004, 05:19 AM
Here's the jist of what he says:
QUOTE
He helped Cambodia, in 1947, regain the territories of Battambang, Siem Reap, Stung Treng and Kompong Thom with the assistance of France.
He helped Cambodia, in 1962, to win Preah Vihear (Khao Pra Viharn in Thai) in the International Court of Hague.
He says that until March 18, 1970, Cambodia had not lost its territories that is now South Vietnam.
He claims that France gave Cochin-China to Bao Dai so that he could have a chance to defeat the Communist Vietnamese.
Asserts that at least half of what is now South Vietnam should have been given to Cambodia.
Khmers should thank Pol Pot in his efforts to recover Kampuchea Krom, and should also thank the 100,000 Khmer soldiers who died trying to take it. They killed 50,000 Vietnamese soldiers too btw.
I'm... well... speechless to say the least.
I don't give 2 $hits what this guy has to say.
The provinces which were given back to Cambodia by the French were the ones that Thailand had not annexed before 1790. When Japan ousted the French temporarily in WWII, they gave Thailand back these provinces because of the Pro-Japanese government. When the French returned, they traded the province of Trat back in return for those provinces.
I don't know much about the court case in 1962 that handed the ownership of Preah Vihear back to Cambodia, but I do know that the Thai lawyers did use a skewed version of Thai/Khmer history in their efforts to win. The claim was something like this: the people of Cambodia and Thailand were originally one people, which is why the cultures are almost identical. The Thais then killed all the Khmer people, and all those who did survive ran back to India. The Khmers and Cambodians were different people. <--well it was something like that, if someone can clear it up for me it would be much appreciated.
I remember reading that one of the reasons why Cochin China was handed to Vietnam was because the Khmer King (the one before Sihanouk) did something that upset the French, and I don't remmeber what it was exactly. Again, someone please clear that up?
Lastly, about Pol Pot. Yea, he did try to take back South Vietnam, but in all honesty, why should Cambodia be thankful to a guy responsible for the annihilation of 15-20% of the country's population? The reason why the Vietnamese attacked the Khmer Rouge was because they were killing innocent Vietnamese civilians at the border of Cambodia and Vietnam. In fact, if anything, the Cambodian people should be thankful for Vietnamese troups overthrowing the Communists in Cambodia. If in those three years (1975 - 1978) he killed 2 million people, imagine what the country would have been like in another 4 of 5 years. Would they have killed another 2 - 4 million people?
Personally, I know a lot of older Khmer people from both Cambodia and in Australia who are thankful that the Vietnamese overthrew Pol Pot. Really, the only ones (okay, broad generalisation here...) who still hate the Vietnamese people are those who didn't have to live through the war itself. They were probably studying overseas at the time, or they were born post-1980.
Like I said, Sihanouk talks a bunch of $hit in this letter, and I'm glad that he's not the King anymore.
Sideley
Nov 28 2004, 08:09 AM
QUOTE (transtic @ Nov 28 2004, 12:19 PM)
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I'm... well... speechless to say the least.
I don't give 2 $hits what this guy has to say.
The provinces which were given back to Cambodia by the French were the ones that Thailand had not annexed before 1790. When Japan ousted the French temporarily in WWII, they gave Thailand back these provinces because of the Pro-Japanese government. When the French returned, they traded the province of Trat back in return for those provinces.
I don't know much about the court case in 1962 that handed the ownership of Preah Vihear back to Cambodia, but I do know that the Thai lawyers did use a skewed version of Thai/Khmer history in their efforts to win. The claim was something like this: the people of Cambodia and Thailand were originally one people, which is why the cultures are almost identical. The Thais then killed all the Khmer people, and all those who did survive ran back to India. The Khmers and Cambodians were different people. <--well it was something like that, if someone can clear it up for me it would be much appreciated.
I remember reading that one of the reasons why Cochin China was handed to Vietnam was because the Khmer King (the one before Sihanouk) did something that upset the French, and I don't remmeber what it was exactly. Again, someone please clear that up?
Lastly, about Pol Pot. Yea, he did try to take back South Vietnam, but in all honesty, why should Cambodia be thankful to a guy responsible for the annihilation of 15-20% of the country's population? The reason why the Vietnamese attacked the Khmer Rouge was because they were killing innocent Vietnamese civilians at the border of Cambodia and Vietnam. In fact, if anything, the Cambodian people should be thankful for Vietnamese troups overthrowing the Communists in Cambodia. If in those three years (1975 - 1978) he killed 2 million people, imagine what the country would have been like in another 4 of 5 years. Would they have killed another 2 - 4 million people?
Personally, I know a lot of older Khmer people from both Cambodia and in Australia who are thankful that the Vietnamese overthrew Pol Pot. Really, the only ones (okay, broad generalisation here...) who still hate the Vietnamese people are those who didn't have to live through the war itself. They were probably studying overseas at the time, or they were born post-1980.
Like I said, Sihanouk talks a bunch of $hit in this letter, and I'm glad that he's not the King anymore.
Thank you, trantic, for these helpful points about VN and Kampuchea.
If anyone feel like read more of these $hit loads, just follow this link:
http://www.norodomsihanouk.info.
You could find there everything and its contrary.
This guy is really pathetic.
transtic
Nov 28 2004, 09:39 AM
^ No worries, I just wanted correct what the Sihanouk said about Khmer and Vietnamese relations.. but I just can't believe that he's basically telling Cambodians to be thankful for Pol Pot. Seriously, how disrespectful can you get?
Kambolizhuz
Nov 28 2004, 04:11 PM
^Exactly, I don't it was Pol Pot primary goal to get Khmer Krom back and killing about 2 million ppl is not worth it.
PraChanMuy
Nov 28 2004, 04:20 PM
With the way sihanouk carries himself. He is more fit to be a clown than a king.
NitaKang
Nov 28 2004, 04:31 PM
I wonder how his son would turn out to be...
PraChanMuy
Nov 28 2004, 04:32 PM
QUOTE (NitaKang @ Nov 28 2004, 05:31 PM)
I wonder how his son would turn out to be...
Same here.
transtic
Nov 29 2004, 06:38 AM
Somehow I think his son knows better.
Another thing that gets to me about how he said to praise the KR is that he himself was a victim of the regime. They disrespected him, killed some of his family, and his dead daughter's ashes were destroyed, well thrown away.
ChuonCheat_Khmer
Nov 29 2004, 01:42 PM
what i notice with sihanouk supporters is that they are aggressive people. when someone says something negative about him, even if it's true, they'll threaten you and say stuff like, you won't get away with saying that if you were in cambodia. that's true but they just love to threaten people who don't support sihanouk.
norodom sihanouk is a confused man right from the get go. that's why the french gave him the throne.
KITT
Feb 28 2005, 03:38 PM
Internet translation program, not fully accurate here it is:
NOTE
NORODOM SIHANOUK about so-called "the abandonment" of Kampuchea Krom by King Norodom Sihanouk. Beijing, May 7, 2003
This "history" has been just raised, in Phnom Penh, by a controversy between S.E. SAM RAINSY, S.E. KHIEU KANHARIT & the newspaper "NEW KAMPUCHEA". In this respect, here what I have to say:
1/- All my life during, I was always useful, with a fidelity and a devotion totals, the higher interests of my Fatherland, our Nation, our People, our Race.
Under my first reign (1941-1955) and under the SRN (1955-1969), I had, with the assistance of France, successful (in 1947) to make return to our Kampuchea the provinces of Battambang, Siemreap, Kompong Thom, Stung Trèng that Thailand, with the assistance of Japan, had removed us, and I succeeded in (in 1962) making us return (by Thailand) PREAH VIHEAR, and that, thanks to an equitable verdict of the International Court of the Hague.
From 1962, year of the return of PREAH VIHEAR within KAMPUCHEA, I resisted vigorously until the end (i.e. until February 1970) against the insane claims, with the profit of "their" South-Vietnam, of our coastal islands, claims formulated by the Presidents of the successive SVN: NGO DINH DIEM, NGUYEN VAN THIEU; and counters the incursions armed with the terrestrial troops and the helicopters-gunships with these South-Vietnameses. Until my fall and that of the SRN, 18 the Mars 1970, our Kampuchea did not lose anything of its territorial integrality, of its grounds, sea and islands.
2/- All and all the Khmers worthy of this name regret bitterly and very sadly the loss of KAMPUCHEA KROM which Annamites had taken to us by the force; that, after Annamites, the French colonialists had taken to us; and that, then, France gave Emperor BAO DAI deliberately to give to this last a "chance" (moreover null) to gain the "victory" (a victory besides impossible) over its large rival HO CHI MINH.
In 1949, little time before the signature, in Paris, of the abolishing Treaty of 1949 swears French Protectorate, with the formal abrogation of the Treaty of 1863 and the Convention of 1884, S.E. ITS SANN (KKK) could, on my behalf, to have long and "muscular" discussions with French authorities, in Paris even, to make known with the French Republic this position of (1st) the Kingdom of Kampuchea and its King Norodom Sihanouk: "Kampuchea protests in advance against any transfer (possible) by France to Vietnam, of Kampuchea Krom. When, in the years 1860, France decided to conquer and colonize all Kampuchea Krom, this last was far from being conquered at 100% by the army of aggression of the ANNAM. The Army khmère of S.M. Preah ANG DUONG, Kampuchea Krom, resisted heroically and successfully against this aggression armed with conquest coming from the Empire from ANNAM. Therefore, if France, one day, decides to give up its colony called "Cochinchine", half at least this Cochinchine will have to be returned to Kampuchea ". It was there my position of King of the Khmers. But these discussions khméro-Frenchwomen could not be made "public" and that, because of one "NOT" of our French "partners".
After S.E. ITS SANN (in 1949), my spokesmen within the framework of the Royal Crusade for the complete Independence of Kampuchea (1952-1953) was S.E. PEN NOUTH and S.E. SAM SARY, formally charged by me (KING) to continue the "friendly" discussions with "Paris" on the fate of KAMPUCHEA KROM. But, finally, France will prefer to give to BAO DAI (vis-a-vis with HO CHI MINH) Cochinchine (Kampuchea Krom).
3/- Those and those which show me "to give up Kampuchea Krom" must absolutely thank and congratulate (seriously) the Memory on Mr. POL. POT and his (really) heroic KHMER ROUGE soldiers who, in 1977, 1978 until January 6, 1979, did everything to recover KAMPUCHEA KROM with the profit of their DEMOCRATIC KAMPUCHEA. In this Polpotienne war against the RSV in order to recover KAMPUCHEA KROM, at least 100 000 Khmer Rouge soldiers were killed, heroically with the combat, and at least 50 000 Vietnamese soldiers were killed. [ Between brackets, I recall that, under the "Khmère Republic" of Lon Nol, the soldiers colonialists and the colonists Vietnamese belonging to the Mode of Nguyen Van Thieu and Nguyen CAD Ky were advanced until Neak Luong which they baptized "Saigon Moi" it new Saigon (sic!) ].
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