Một cách nh́n khác về tinh thần dân tộc
Trong vài năm gần đây, người dân Việt Nam, ở trong nước cũng như ở hải ngoại thường lên tiếng bài xích nhà nước cộng sản Việt Nam, bênh vực những blogger dũng cảm đấu tranh v́ Hoàng Sa - Trường Sa, rên rỉ rằng nhục quá v́ Việt Nam dần dần cứ dâng đất cho Trung Quốc v.v.
Dân Việt Nam ở hải ngoại, đặc biệt là những người thuộc chính quyền Việt Nam Cộng Ḥa phải tị nạn sau biến cố tháng 4/1975 'ghét' nhà nước cộng sản Việt Nam và nhà nước cộng sản Trung Quốc từ xưa th́ rơ rồi.
Trung quốc đă hỗ trợ Bắc Việt Nam rất lớn trong cuộc chiến tranh Việt Nam, 'đánh bại' người Mỹ và 'lật đổ' chính thể Việt Nam cộng ḥa.
V́ vậy không rơ là họ bài xích Việt Nam và Trung Quốc là do sự thù hằn nội chiến đó, hay là thực sự muốn bảo vệ toàn vẹn lănh thổ Việt Nam, đau xót uất hận khi thấy Việt Nam “mất đất”?
Song những người dân có tri thức ở trong nước, những blogger gần đây gặp vấn đề về chính trị mà phần đông là những thanh niên đầy tâm huyết và lư tưởng th́ có lẽ khác.
Họ có vẻ như không bị ảnh hưởng bởi tư tưởng chống Cộng, chỉ đơn giản là yêu nước thôi. Thế mới có chuyện đáng bàn.
Chuyện đáng bàn
Những thanh niên này hầu hết đều lớn lên vào những năm 1980, chịu ảnh hưởng của chủ nghĩa dân tộc có điều khiển của nhà nước Việt Nam sau cuộc chiến tranh biên giới 1979, bài xích Trung Quốc, tố cáo Trung Quốc 'hơi nhiều.'
Họ không nhận ra được rằng Việt Nam thực ra cũng là một phần trong da thịt của Trung Quốc, chia sẻ nguồn gốc văn hóa và tư tưởng, và nhận được khá nhiều ân huệ từ Trung Quốc trong suốt hơn 20 năm chiến tranh (1950-1975).
Cho dù Trung quốc giúp Việt Nam là v́ tính toán chính trị của họ, được giúp đỡ để chiến thắng cũng là điều tốt mà 'ḿnh nên nhớ'. Câu “yêu ai yêu cả đường đi, ghét ai ghét cả tông ti họ hàng” trong t́nh huống này có lẽ đúng.
Điều này làm tôi liên tưởng tới hàng vạn người Trung Quốc trong những năm 1990 đă là nạn nhân của cái gọi là "state-controlled nationalism" (chủ nghĩa dân tộc có sự điều khiển) khi họ đấu tranh lên án Nhật v́ những điều đă xảy ra trong chiến tranh thế giới thứ II, đ̣i công bằng và chủ quyền với Nhật Bản.
Họ cũng đă bị công an Trung Quốc đàn áp, bịt miệng v́ khi đó nội các Trung Quốc đang muốn giải quyết “ngoại giao cấp cao” với Nhật Bản và không muốn làm mất ḷng các nhà đầu tư Nhật Bản.
Những thanh niên đó đă quá bị ảnh hưởng bởi tư tưởng chống Nhật trong Trung Quốc những năm dưới quyền Mao.
Khi t́nh h́nh đất nước thay đổi, họ không thay đổi kịp. Mao đă từng tuyên truyền rằng trong vụ thảm sát Nam kinh, hàng chục vạn người Trung Quốc đă bị giết, nhưng gần đây con số thống kê đó đă được đem ra xem xét lại về tính xác thực của nó.
Những blogger của Việt Nam bị bắt giữ gần đây cũng vậy. Họ không thích nghi theo kịp được môi trường ngoại giao giữa Việt Nam và Trung Quốc trong những năm 1990, vẫn tiếp tục sống trong cái “anti-China nationalism” (chủ nghĩa dân tộc chống Trung quốc hay bài Trung) của những năm 1980.
Câu hỏi đặt ra
Có một câu hỏi đặt ra là “Tại sao người dân thanh niên trí thức Việt nam có tư tưởng phê phán, sẵn sàng nghi ngờ, bác bỏ những điều mà nhà nước Việt Nam đang tuyên bố và thi hành, mà lại không sẵn sàng phê phán chính hiểu biết về lịch sử của họ hay những điều mà nhà nước Việt Nam tuyên bố và thi hành từ 50 năm trở lại đây?”
Chúng ta quen nghe “Lịch sử Việt Nam 4.000 năm dựng nước,” liệu có bao giờ tự hỏi xem cái con số 4.000 ngàn năm ấy lấy ở đâu ra? Liệu có đúng như vậy không? Mảnh đất Việt nam có h́nh thù thế nào trước thời Triệu Vương?
Một thực tế là lịch sử Việt Nam suốt hơn 2.000 năm từ thời Triệu Đà đến thời Nguyễn, cho dù thỉnh thoảng có tuyên bố "Sông núi nước Nam, Vua Nam ở," th́ Việt Nam vẫn luôn là một phần của Trung Quốc.
Người dân Việt Nam bắt nguồn từ Trung Quốc, Vua của Việt Nam cũng khởi tổ từ người Trung Quốc, coi vua Trung Quốc như anh như cha... từ Ngô Quyền, Đinh Bộ Lĩnh, hay Lư Công Uẩn, rồi các gia tộc họ Trần, Lê, Nguyễn, v.v...
Chúng ta đă bao giờ tự hỏi ḿnh xem lịch sử Việt Nam mà chúng ta học có đúng là lịch sử không?
Những blogger đấu tranh cho chủ quyền lănh thổ đă bao giờ đọc Đại Việt Sử Kư (Lê Văn Hưu), Đại Việt Sử Lược (tác giả khuyết danh thời Trần), hay Đại Việt Sử Kư Toàn Thư (Ngô Sĩ Liên), hay Việt Nam Sử Lược (Trần Trọng Kim,) ở dạng nguyên bản, chưa qua biên soạn, cắt xén chưa?
Họ tin rằng Hoàng Sa và Trường Sa thuộc về Việt Nam trên cơ sở nào, hay chỉ biết thế từ sách giáo khoa lịch sử Việt Nam và từ các thông tin trên đài báo chính thống của Việt Nam lưu hành từ sau năm 1975?
Từ khi nào?
Chúng ta coi Trường Sa và Hoàng sa thuộc về Việt Nam từ khi nào?
Hiệp ước Tự Đức hiến đất Cochinchina cho Pháp (1862), Hiệp ước nhà Thanh thỏa hiệp với Pháp về quyền cai trị An-nam và Ton-kin (1885), hay các tuyên ngôn độc lập tự chủ sau này có nhắc đến chủ quyền của mấy cái đảo ấy không?
Chính quyền Việt Nam Cộng Ḥa có bao giờ tuyên ngôn chủ quyền các đảo đó không, hay chỉ măi đến năm 1974 mới điều hải quân ra trấn giữ và bảo vệ? Chúng ta đă bao giờ dành thời gian nghiên cứu xác nhận thông tin trước khi đấu tranh đ̣i chủ quyền chưa nhỉ?
Chỉ biết là bắt đầu từ đầu thập niên 1970, khi giá trị của dầu mỏ trở nên rơ ràng, khi thông tin về trữ lượng dầu ở mấy đảo đó được xác nhận, và người ta nhận ra tầm quan trọng của việc xây dựng sân bay, điểm cất cánh trung chuyển và căn cứ quân sự ở Đông Nam Á, th́ một loạt 6, 7 nước cùng xông vào nhận nó là của ḿnh với những “bằng chứng lịch sử” đáng ngờ.
Xét cho cùng, đất nước Việt Nam, lănh thổ Việt Nam hiện nay có được là nhờ sự “mở mang bờ cơi” Nam tiến vào lănh thổ Chiêm Thành, Khơ-me.
Lịch sử là vậy, đất đai dân cư di dời, sở hữu chuyển đổi, do thỏa thuận cũng như do xâm lấn.
Rút cục, có thể nói chủ nghĩa dân tộc mù quáng đôi khi cũng tai hại không kém ǵ chủ nghĩa bành trướng đế quốc vậy.
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Bài viết phản ánh quan điểm riêng và lối hành văn của tác giả. Bà Đỗ Ngọc Bích đă hoàn tất chương tŕnh tiến sĩ môn Hoa Kỳ Học của Đại Học Hawaii, hiện đang sống ở New Haven và chuẩn bị bảo vệ luận án, trong khi tham gia giảng dạy tiếng Việt ở Trung Tâm Ngôn Ngữ và dịch tài liệu lịch sử cho khoa Lịch sử, ĐH Yale.
Cho đến ngày 20/04, trang web BBC Việt Ngữ đã nhận được nhiều ý kiến, và một số bài viết riêng phản bác lại quan điểm của bà Đỗ Ngọc Bích. Chúng tôi sẽ đăng dần các bài đó lên trang Diễn đàn trong những ngày tới. Ban biên tập xin cáo lỗi vì sự thiếu chính xác trong phần phụ chú về học vị của tác giả trong lần đăng bài đầu tiên.
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P.S: Don't translate this article or provoke the "you know who". Keep this discussion among Vietnamese people only.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/vietnamese/forum/2010...ngoc_bich.shtml
Lạ ǵ vụ này đâu. Những trí thức rởm đời này tự vỗ ngực coi ḿnh thoáng hơn và thoát khỏi cái chủ nghĩa dân tộc hẹp ḥi. Bằng cách tự cách ly ḿnh và suy nghĩ 180o ngược lại, họ muốn chứng minh ḿnh nằm ngoài số đông, một t́nh huống vị kỷ tâm lư. Về bản chất vẫn chưa vượt ra khỏi tầm suy nghĩ cục bộ và phiến diện khi gắn mọi thứ với Trung Quốc và nô dịch trong tư tưởng, gợi nhớ lại phần nào chú em Nguyễn Huy Thiệp tự vả vào mặt bản thân khi viết văn trong thuở nước hèn, dân mọi, a dua thời cuộc.
QUOTE (DanTriVN @ Apr 22 2010, 08:36 AM) 
P.S: Don't translate this article or provoke the "you know who". Keep this discussion among Vietnamese people only.
Why don't you keep it in a strictly vietnamese speaking forum then? This is an english speaking forum. If you don't intend it for english speaking people then it has no place here. Mods, delete please.
http://www.stars21.com/translator/vietnamese_to_english.html
A different ethnic mental
In recent years, the people of Vietnam, as well as in overseas countries often voiced, chain all the communist government of Vietnam, bravely defended the bloggers fight for Hoang Sa - Truong Sa, moaning that humiliation Vietnam so as to gradually rising land to China, etc.
Vietnam People in the diaspora, especially people of the Republic of Vietnam government to turn refugees after putting 4 / 1975 'hate' the communist government of Vietnam and the communist government of China is clear from the past and .
China has supported North Vietnam during the great war in Vietnam, 'beat' and Americans 'overthrow' Republic of Vietnam government.
So clearly they are not all chain Vietnam and China as rivals by the civil war there, or really want to protect the territorial integrity of Vietnam, when harrowing Vietnam Wrath "lost land"?
But the people who have knowledge in the country, the blogger recent political problems that most young people are full of enthusiasm and ideals, then perhaps another.
They seem unaffected by anti-Communist ideology, is simply the love of water only. New World has something worthy goals.
Transform table
These young men grew up mostly in the 1980s, influenced by nationalism is state control of Vietnam after the 1979 border war, all chains of China, China denounce 'a bit more '.
They do not realize the fact that Vietnam is also part of China in the flesh, shared cultural backgrounds and ideologies, and received many gifts from China for over 20 years of war (1950 -1975).
Whether China is helping Vietnam because of their political calculations, help to win is good also that 'I remember'. Phrase "love love both way, hate who hate their whole tribe ti" in this situation is probably true.
This made me think of thousands of Chinese in the 1990s were victims of so-called "state-controlled nationalism (nationalism with the control) when they fight for the things condemned Japan happened in World War II, demand justice and sovereignty for Japan.
They were Chinese police crackdown, which the mouth because when China wanted the resolution "high-level diplomacy" with Japan and did not want to lose our investment in Japan.
The young man was so affected by ideology against the Japanese in China under Mao years.
When the situation changes in the country, they do not change fast enough. Maoist propaganda that has been in the Nanjing massacre, thousands of Chinese were killed, but recent statistics have been brought to review the accuracy of it.
The blogger was arrested in Vietnam recently, too. They are not adapted to keep environmental diplomacy between Vietnam and China in 1990, continued to live in the "anti-China nationalism (nationalism or anti-China all Chinese) of the 1980 .
The question
There is a question of "Why people young Vietnamese intellectuals critical thought, ready to suspect, denied that the state is declared and Vietnam to implement, but which is not available critical understanding of their history or what state and Vietnam announced the implementation from 50 years ago? "
We used to hear "Vietnam 4000 year history of the Nation," whether I'm often asked if the figure was 4000 thousand years to get where? Is it not true? Vietnam has a land shapes ahead of time how Zhao Wang?
The fact that Vietnam's history over 2000 years from time to time, Nguyen Trieu Da, despite occasional claims "Rivers of South Mountain, in South King," Vietnam is still a part of China.
The people of Vietnam comes from China, Vietnam, King's departure from the Chinese team, as he regarded the king as father of China ... from Ngo Quyen Dinh Bo Linh, or Ly Cong Uan, then the clan they Tran, Le, Nguyen, etc. ..
We ever ask yourself that Vietnam's history that we learn is not true that history?
The bloggers fight for territorial sovereignty has never read, Vietnam has signed (Le Van Huu), Vietnam has brief (anonymous author Tran), Vietnam has signed or e-mail us (Ngo Si Lien), or A Brief History Vietnam (Tran Trong Kim) in their original forms, not yet compiled, not mutilation?
They believe the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa belong to Vietnam on the basis of any, or only know from a textbook history of Vietnam and from the station information on Vietnam's official newspaper circulation after 1975?
Since when?
We considered the Paracel and Spratly belong to Vietnam since when?
Self-German Treaty of land donated to the French Cochinchina (1862), Qing compromise agreement with France on An-ruled south and the Ton-kin (1885), or the declaration of independence later referred to the the rights of the few islands it?
Republic of Vietnam government has never declared sovereignty over the islands which are not, or only new thing in 1974 until the Navy to maintain and protect the town? We've never spent time studies to verify the information before fighting for sovereignty is not it?
Just know that starting from the early 1970s, when the value of the oil becomes clear, when information about oil reserves in a few islands that is confirmed, and we recognize the importance of the construction yard flight, takeoff point transit and military bases in Southeast Asia, then a series of six, seven countries rushed to get it together by ourselves with the "historical evidence" suspicious.
After all, the country of Vietnam, Vietnam's territory now has been because of the "open confines" southward into the territory of Champa, the Khmer.
History is so, land residential relocation, property conversion, as well as by agreement by the encroachment.
Ultimately, we can say blind nationalism sometimes disastrous no less imperialist expansionism that.
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Posts reflect the personal views of culture and style of the author. Ms. Do Ngoc Bich has completed a PhD subject American Studies University of Hawaii, now living in New Haven and preparing thesis defense, while participating in teaching Vietnamese Language Center and translation for historical science history, Yale University.
Until now 20.04, BBC Vietnamese website has received many comments, private messages and some argue her point of Do Ngoc Bich. We'll post the article on the site's forum in the coming days. Editorial Board would crash due to lack of accuracy in the sub-division cycle for graduation by this author in the first post time.
A different ethnic mental
In recent years, the people of Vietnam, as well as in overseas countries often voiced, chain all the communist government of Vietnam, bravely defended the bloggers fight for Hoang Sa - Truong Sa, moaning that humiliation Vietnam so as to gradually rising land to China, etc.
Vietnam People in the diaspora, especially people of the Republic of Vietnam government to turn refugees after putting 4 / 1975 'hate' the communist government of Vietnam and the communist government of China is clear from the past and .
China has supported North Vietnam during the great war in Vietnam, 'beat' and Americans 'overthrow' Republic of Vietnam government.
So clearly they are not all chain Vietnam and China as rivals by the civil war there, or really want to protect the territorial integrity of Vietnam, when harrowing Vietnam Wrath "lost land"?
But the people who have knowledge in the country, the blogger recent political problems that most young people are full of enthusiasm and ideals, then perhaps another.
They seem unaffected by anti-Communist ideology, is simply the love of water only. New World has something worthy goals.
Transform table
These young men grew up mostly in the 1980s, influenced by nationalism is state control of Vietnam after the 1979 border war, all chains of China, China denounce 'a bit more '.
They do not realize the fact that Vietnam is also part of China in the flesh, shared cultural backgrounds and ideologies, and received many gifts from China for over 20 years of war (1950 -1975).
Whether China is helping Vietnam because of their political calculations, help to win is good also that 'I remember'. Phrase "love love both way, hate who hate their whole tribe ti" in this situation is probably true.
This made me think of thousands of Chinese in the 1990s were victims of so-called "state-controlled nationalism (nationalism with the control) when they fight for the things condemned Japan happened in World War II, demand justice and sovereignty for Japan.
They were Chinese police crackdown, which the mouth because when China wanted the resolution "high-level diplomacy" with Japan and did not want to lose our investment in Japan.
The young man was so affected by ideology against the Japanese in China under Mao years.
When the situation changes in the country, they do not change fast enough. Maoist propaganda that has been in the Nanjing massacre, thousands of Chinese were killed, but recent statistics have been brought to review the accuracy of it.
The blogger was arrested in Vietnam recently, too. They are not adapted to keep environmental diplomacy between Vietnam and China in 1990, continued to live in the "anti-China nationalism (nationalism or anti-China all Chinese) of the 1980 .
The question
There is a question of "Why people young Vietnamese intellectuals critical thought, ready to suspect, denied that the state is declared and Vietnam to implement, but which is not available critical understanding of their history or what state and Vietnam announced the implementation from 50 years ago? "
We used to hear "Vietnam 4000 year history of the Nation," whether I'm often asked if the figure was 4000 thousand years to get where? Is it not true? Vietnam has a land shapes ahead of time how Zhao Wang?
The fact that Vietnam's history over 2000 years from time to time, Nguyen Trieu Da, despite occasional claims "Rivers of South Mountain, in South King," Vietnam is still a part of China.
The people of Vietnam comes from China, Vietnam, King's departure from the Chinese team, as he regarded the king as father of China ... from Ngo Quyen Dinh Bo Linh, or Ly Cong Uan, then the clan they Tran, Le, Nguyen, etc. ..
We ever ask yourself that Vietnam's history that we learn is not true that history?
The bloggers fight for territorial sovereignty has never read, Vietnam has signed (Le Van Huu), Vietnam has brief (anonymous author Tran), Vietnam has signed or e-mail us (Ngo Si Lien), or A Brief History Vietnam (Tran Trong Kim) in their original forms, not yet compiled, not mutilation?
They believe the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa belong to Vietnam on the basis of any, or only know from a textbook history of Vietnam and from the station information on Vietnam's official newspaper circulation after 1975?
Since when?
We considered the Paracel and Spratly belong to Vietnam since when?
Self-German Treaty of land donated to the French Cochinchina (1862), Qing compromise agreement with France on An-ruled south and the Ton-kin (1885), or the declaration of independence later referred to the the rights of the few islands it?
Republic of Vietnam government has never declared sovereignty over the islands which are not, or only new thing in 1974 until the Navy to maintain and protect the town? We've never spent time studies to verify the information before fighting for sovereignty is not it?
Just know that starting from the early 1970s, when the value of the oil becomes clear, when information about oil reserves in a few islands that is confirmed, and we recognize the importance of the construction yard flight, takeoff point transit and military bases in Southeast Asia, then a series of six, seven countries rushed to get it together by ourselves with the "historical evidence" suspicious.
After all, the country of Vietnam, Vietnam's territory now has been because of the "open confines" southward into the territory of Champa, the Khmer.
History is so, land residential relocation, property conversion, as well as by agreement by the encroachment.
Ultimately, we can say blind nationalism sometimes disastrous no less imperialist expansionism that.
-------------------------------------------------- -------
Posts reflect the personal views of culture and style of the author. Ms. Do Ngoc Bich has completed a PhD subject American Studies University of Hawaii, now living in New Haven and preparing thesis defense, while participating in teaching Vietnamese Language Center and translation for historical science history, Yale University.
Until now 20.04, BBC Vietnamese website has received many comments, private messages and some argue her point of Do Ngoc Bich. We'll post the article on the site's forum in the coming days. Editorial Board would crash due to lack of accuracy in the sub-division cycle for graduation by this author in the first post time.
You shouldn't be doing their jobs for them SoCal. He posted it in vietnamese, and then he writes in english that it should not be translated, as to leave certain people out of the discussion. As far as I'm concerned they can go f*ck them themselves. It was not intended to be translated and as such this thread can go to hell.
C
We should learn from each other.
We should learn from each other.
QUOTE (Cumulus @ Apr 22 2010, 07:13 AM)
You shouldn't be doing their jobs for them SoCal. He posted it in vietnamese, and then he writes in english that it should not be translated, as to leave certain people out of the discussion. As far as I'm concerned they can go f*ck them themselves. It was not intended to be translated and as such this thread can go to hell.
QUOTE (SoCal @ Apr 22 2010, 08:48 AM)
http://www.stars21.com/translator/vietnamese_to_english.html
A different ethnic mental
In recent years, the people of Vietnam, as well as in overseas countries often voiced, chain all the communist government of Vietnam, bravely defended the bloggers fight for Hoang Sa - Truong Sa, moaning that humiliation Vietnam so as to gradually rising land to China, etc.
Vietnam People in the diaspora, especially people of the Republic of Vietnam government to turn refugees after putting 4 / 1975 'hate' the communist government of Vietnam and the communist government of China is clear from the past and .
China has supported North Vietnam during the great war in Vietnam, 'beat' and Americans 'overthrow' Republic of Vietnam government.
So clearly they are not all chain Vietnam and China as rivals by the civil war there, or really want to protect the territorial integrity of Vietnam, when harrowing Vietnam Wrath "lost land"?
But the people who have knowledge in the country, the blogger recent political problems that most young people are full of enthusiasm and ideals, then perhaps another.
They seem unaffected by anti-Communist ideology, is simply the love of water only. New World has something worthy goals.
Transform table
These young men grew up mostly in the 1980s, influenced by nationalism is state control of Vietnam after the 1979 border war, all chains of China, China denounce 'a bit more '.
They do not realize the fact that Vietnam is also part of China in the flesh, shared cultural backgrounds and ideologies, and received many gifts from China for over 20 years of war (1950 -1975).
Whether China is helping Vietnam because of their political calculations, help to win is good also that 'I remember'. Phrase "love love both way, hate who hate their whole tribe ti" in this situation is probably true.
This made me think of thousands of Chinese in the 1990s were victims of so-called "state-controlled nationalism (nationalism with the control) when they fight for the things condemned Japan happened in World War II, demand justice and sovereignty for Japan.
They were Chinese police crackdown, which the mouth because when China wanted the resolution "high-level diplomacy" with Japan and did not want to lose our investment in Japan.
The young man was so affected by ideology against the Japanese in China under Mao years.
When the situation changes in the country, they do not change fast enough. Maoist propaganda that has been in the Nanjing massacre, thousands of Chinese were killed, but recent statistics have been brought to review the accuracy of it.
The blogger was arrested in Vietnam recently, too. They are not adapted to keep environmental diplomacy between Vietnam and China in 1990, continued to live in the "anti-China nationalism (nationalism or anti-China all Chinese) of the 1980 .
The question
There is a question of "Why people young Vietnamese intellectuals critical thought, ready to suspect, denied that the state is declared and Vietnam to implement, but which is not available critical understanding of their history or what state and Vietnam announced the implementation from 50 years ago? "
We used to hear "Vietnam 4000 year history of the Nation," whether I'm often asked if the figure was 4000 thousand years to get where? Is it not true? Vietnam has a land shapes ahead of time how Zhao Wang?
The fact that Vietnam's history over 2000 years from time to time, Nguyen Trieu Da, despite occasional claims "Rivers of South Mountain, in South King," Vietnam is still a part of China.
The people of Vietnam comes from China, Vietnam, King's departure from the Chinese team, as he regarded the king as father of China ... from Ngo Quyen Dinh Bo Linh, or Ly Cong Uan, then the clan they Tran, Le, Nguyen, etc. ..
We ever ask yourself that Vietnam's history that we learn is not true that history?
The bloggers fight for territorial sovereignty has never read, Vietnam has signed (Le Van Huu), Vietnam has brief (anonymous author Tran), Vietnam has signed or e-mail us (Ngo Si Lien), or A Brief History Vietnam (Tran Trong Kim) in their original forms, not yet compiled, not mutilation?
They believe the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa belong to Vietnam on the basis of any, or only know from a textbook history of Vietnam and from the station information on Vietnam's official newspaper circulation after 1975?
Since when?
We considered the Paracel and Spratly belong to Vietnam since when?
Self-German Treaty of land donated to the French Cochinchina (1862), Qing compromise agreement with France on An-ruled south and the Ton-kin (1885), or the declaration of independence later referred to the the rights of the few islands it?
Republic of Vietnam government has never declared sovereignty over the islands which are not, or only new thing in 1974 until the Navy to maintain and protect the town? We've never spent time studies to verify the information before fighting for sovereignty is not it?
Just know that starting from the early 1970s, when the value of the oil becomes clear, when information about oil reserves in a few islands that is confirmed, and we recognize the importance of the construction yard flight, takeoff point transit and military bases in Southeast Asia, then a series of six, seven countries rushed to get it together by ourselves with the "historical evidence" suspicious.
After all, the country of Vietnam, Vietnam's territory now has been because of the "open confines" southward into the territory of Champa, the Khmer.
History is so, land residential relocation, property conversion, as well as by agreement by the encroachment.
Ultimately, we can say blind nationalism sometimes disastrous no less imperialist expansionism that.
-------------------------------------------------- -------
Posts reflect the personal views of culture and style of the author. Ms. Do Ngoc Bich has completed a PhD subject American Studies University of Hawaii, now living in New Haven and preparing thesis defense, while participating in teaching Vietnamese Language Center and translation for historical science history, Yale University.
Until now 20.04, BBC Vietnamese website has received many comments, private messages and some argue her point of Do Ngoc Bich. We'll post the article on the site's forum in the coming days. Editorial Board would crash due to lack of accuracy in the sub-division cycle for graduation by this author in the first post time.
A different ethnic mental
In recent years, the people of Vietnam, as well as in overseas countries often voiced, chain all the communist government of Vietnam, bravely defended the bloggers fight for Hoang Sa - Truong Sa, moaning that humiliation Vietnam so as to gradually rising land to China, etc.
Vietnam People in the diaspora, especially people of the Republic of Vietnam government to turn refugees after putting 4 / 1975 'hate' the communist government of Vietnam and the communist government of China is clear from the past and .
China has supported North Vietnam during the great war in Vietnam, 'beat' and Americans 'overthrow' Republic of Vietnam government.
So clearly they are not all chain Vietnam and China as rivals by the civil war there, or really want to protect the territorial integrity of Vietnam, when harrowing Vietnam Wrath "lost land"?
But the people who have knowledge in the country, the blogger recent political problems that most young people are full of enthusiasm and ideals, then perhaps another.
They seem unaffected by anti-Communist ideology, is simply the love of water only. New World has something worthy goals.
Transform table
These young men grew up mostly in the 1980s, influenced by nationalism is state control of Vietnam after the 1979 border war, all chains of China, China denounce 'a bit more '.
They do not realize the fact that Vietnam is also part of China in the flesh, shared cultural backgrounds and ideologies, and received many gifts from China for over 20 years of war (1950 -1975).
Whether China is helping Vietnam because of their political calculations, help to win is good also that 'I remember'. Phrase "love love both way, hate who hate their whole tribe ti" in this situation is probably true.
This made me think of thousands of Chinese in the 1990s were victims of so-called "state-controlled nationalism (nationalism with the control) when they fight for the things condemned Japan happened in World War II, demand justice and sovereignty for Japan.
They were Chinese police crackdown, which the mouth because when China wanted the resolution "high-level diplomacy" with Japan and did not want to lose our investment in Japan.
The young man was so affected by ideology against the Japanese in China under Mao years.
When the situation changes in the country, they do not change fast enough. Maoist propaganda that has been in the Nanjing massacre, thousands of Chinese were killed, but recent statistics have been brought to review the accuracy of it.
The blogger was arrested in Vietnam recently, too. They are not adapted to keep environmental diplomacy between Vietnam and China in 1990, continued to live in the "anti-China nationalism (nationalism or anti-China all Chinese) of the 1980 .
The question
There is a question of "Why people young Vietnamese intellectuals critical thought, ready to suspect, denied that the state is declared and Vietnam to implement, but which is not available critical understanding of their history or what state and Vietnam announced the implementation from 50 years ago? "
We used to hear "Vietnam 4000 year history of the Nation," whether I'm often asked if the figure was 4000 thousand years to get where? Is it not true? Vietnam has a land shapes ahead of time how Zhao Wang?
The fact that Vietnam's history over 2000 years from time to time, Nguyen Trieu Da, despite occasional claims "Rivers of South Mountain, in South King," Vietnam is still a part of China.
The people of Vietnam comes from China, Vietnam, King's departure from the Chinese team, as he regarded the king as father of China ... from Ngo Quyen Dinh Bo Linh, or Ly Cong Uan, then the clan they Tran, Le, Nguyen, etc. ..
We ever ask yourself that Vietnam's history that we learn is not true that history?
The bloggers fight for territorial sovereignty has never read, Vietnam has signed (Le Van Huu), Vietnam has brief (anonymous author Tran), Vietnam has signed or e-mail us (Ngo Si Lien), or A Brief History Vietnam (Tran Trong Kim) in their original forms, not yet compiled, not mutilation?
They believe the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa belong to Vietnam on the basis of any, or only know from a textbook history of Vietnam and from the station information on Vietnam's official newspaper circulation after 1975?
Since when?
We considered the Paracel and Spratly belong to Vietnam since when?
Self-German Treaty of land donated to the French Cochinchina (1862), Qing compromise agreement with France on An-ruled south and the Ton-kin (1885), or the declaration of independence later referred to the the rights of the few islands it?
Republic of Vietnam government has never declared sovereignty over the islands which are not, or only new thing in 1974 until the Navy to maintain and protect the town? We've never spent time studies to verify the information before fighting for sovereignty is not it?
Just know that starting from the early 1970s, when the value of the oil becomes clear, when information about oil reserves in a few islands that is confirmed, and we recognize the importance of the construction yard flight, takeoff point transit and military bases in Southeast Asia, then a series of six, seven countries rushed to get it together by ourselves with the "historical evidence" suspicious.
After all, the country of Vietnam, Vietnam's territory now has been because of the "open confines" southward into the territory of Champa, the Khmer.
History is so, land residential relocation, property conversion, as well as by agreement by the encroachment.
Ultimately, we can say blind nationalism sometimes disastrous no less imperialist expansionism that.
-------------------------------------------------- -------
Posts reflect the personal views of culture and style of the author. Ms. Do Ngoc Bich has completed a PhD subject American Studies University of Hawaii, now living in New Haven and preparing thesis defense, while participating in teaching Vietnamese Language Center and translation for historical science history, Yale University.
Until now 20.04, BBC Vietnamese website has received many comments, private messages and some argue her point of Do Ngoc Bich. We'll post the article on the site's forum in the coming days. Editorial Board would crash due to lack of accuracy in the sub-division cycle for graduation by this author in the first post time.
ur vietnamese sucks and u have to go translate to try to claim urself u can understand viet. ha! u can't fool me ba tau!
If you want to translate, translate it right.
You translated "lên tiếng bài xích nhà nước cộng sản Việt Nam" as "chain all the communist government of Vietnam". This is wrong if you haven't noticed it.
Again, it is just the voice of one person, and it only represents her own subjective opinion. She cannot speak out for others except for herself.
She could be a Nguy who is trying to spread Nguy propaganda, and DanTriVN is just a propaganda messenger.
QUOTE (SoCal @ Apr 22 2010, 09:48 AM)
http://www.stars21.com/translator/vietnamese_to_english.html
A different ethnic mental
In recent years, the people of Vietnam, as well as in overseas countries often voiced, chain all the communist government of Vietnam, bravely defended the bloggers fight for Hoang Sa - Truong Sa, moaning that humiliation Vietnam so as to gradually rising land to China, etc.
Vietnam People in the diaspora, especially people of the Republic of Vietnam government to turn refugees after putting 4 / 1975 'hate' the communist government of Vietnam and the communist government of China is clear from the past and .
China has supported North Vietnam during the great war in Vietnam, 'beat' and Americans 'overthrow' Republic of Vietnam government.
So clearly they are not all chain Vietnam and China as rivals by the civil war there, or really want to protect the territorial integrity of Vietnam, when harrowing Vietnam Wrath "lost land"?
But the people who have knowledge in the country, the blogger recent political problems that most young people are full of enthusiasm and ideals, then perhaps another.
They seem unaffected by anti-Communist ideology, is simply the love of water only. New World has something worthy goals.
Transform table
These young men grew up mostly in the 1980s, influenced by nationalism is state control of Vietnam after the 1979 border war, all chains of China, China denounce 'a bit more '.
They do not realize the fact that Vietnam is also part of China in the flesh, shared cultural backgrounds and ideologies, and received many gifts from China for over 20 years of war (1950 -1975).
Whether China is helping Vietnam because of their political calculations, help to win is good also that 'I remember'. Phrase "love love both way, hate who hate their whole tribe ti" in this situation is probably true.
This made me think of thousands of Chinese in the 1990s were victims of so-called "state-controlled nationalism (nationalism with the control) when they fight for the things condemned Japan happened in World War II, demand justice and sovereignty for Japan.
They were Chinese police crackdown, which the mouth because when China wanted the resolution "high-level diplomacy" with Japan and did not want to lose our investment in Japan.
The young man was so affected by ideology against the Japanese in China under Mao years.
When the situation changes in the country, they do not change fast enough. Maoist propaganda that has been in the Nanjing massacre, thousands of Chinese were killed, but recent statistics have been brought to review the accuracy of it.
The blogger was arrested in Vietnam recently, too. They are not adapted to keep environmental diplomacy between Vietnam and China in 1990, continued to live in the "anti-China nationalism (nationalism or anti-China all Chinese) of the 1980 .
The question
There is a question of "Why people young Vietnamese intellectuals critical thought, ready to suspect, denied that the state is declared and Vietnam to implement, but which is not available critical understanding of their history or what state and Vietnam announced the implementation from 50 years ago? "
We used to hear "Vietnam 4000 year history of the Nation," whether I'm often asked if the figure was 4000 thousand years to get where? Is it not true? Vietnam has a land shapes ahead of time how Zhao Wang?
The fact that Vietnam's history over 2000 years from time to time, Nguyen Trieu Da, despite occasional claims "Rivers of South Mountain, in South King," Vietnam is still a part of China.
The people of Vietnam comes from China, Vietnam, King's departure from the Chinese team, as he regarded the king as father of China ... from Ngo Quyen Dinh Bo Linh, or Ly Cong Uan, then the clan they Tran, Le, Nguyen, etc. ..
We ever ask yourself that Vietnam's history that we learn is not true that history?
The bloggers fight for territorial sovereignty has never read, Vietnam has signed (Le Van Huu), Vietnam has brief (anonymous author Tran), Vietnam has signed or e-mail us (Ngo Si Lien), or A Brief History Vietnam (Tran Trong Kim) in their original forms, not yet compiled, not mutilation?
They believe the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa belong to Vietnam on the basis of any, or only know from a textbook history of Vietnam and from the station information on Vietnam's official newspaper circulation after 1975?
Since when?
We considered the Paracel and Spratly belong to Vietnam since when?
Self-German Treaty of land donated to the French Cochinchina (1862), Qing compromise agreement with France on An-ruled south and the Ton-kin (1885), or the declaration of independence later referred to the the rights of the few islands it?
Republic of Vietnam government has never declared sovereignty over the islands which are not, or only new thing in 1974 until the Navy to maintain and protect the town? We've never spent time studies to verify the information before fighting for sovereignty is not it?
Just know that starting from the early 1970s, when the value of the oil becomes clear, when information about oil reserves in a few islands that is confirmed, and we recognize the importance of the construction yard flight, takeoff point transit and military bases in Southeast Asia, then a series of six, seven countries rushed to get it together by ourselves with the "historical evidence" suspicious.
After all, the country of Vietnam, Vietnam's territory now has been because of the "open confines" southward into the territory of Champa, the Khmer.
History is so, land residential relocation, property conversion, as well as by agreement by the encroachment.
Ultimately, we can say blind nationalism sometimes disastrous no less imperialist expansionism that.
-------------------------------------------------- -------
Posts reflect the personal views of culture and style of the author. Ms. Do Ngoc Bich has completed a PhD subject American Studies University of Hawaii, now living in New Haven and preparing thesis defense, while participating in teaching Vietnamese Language Center and translation for historical science history, Yale University.
Until now 20.04, BBC Vietnamese website has received many comments, private messages and some argue her point of Do Ngoc Bich. We'll post the article on the site's forum in the coming days. Editorial Board would crash due to lack of accuracy in the sub-division cycle for graduation by this author in the first post time.
A different ethnic mental
In recent years, the people of Vietnam, as well as in overseas countries often voiced, chain all the communist government of Vietnam, bravely defended the bloggers fight for Hoang Sa - Truong Sa, moaning that humiliation Vietnam so as to gradually rising land to China, etc.
Vietnam People in the diaspora, especially people of the Republic of Vietnam government to turn refugees after putting 4 / 1975 'hate' the communist government of Vietnam and the communist government of China is clear from the past and .
China has supported North Vietnam during the great war in Vietnam, 'beat' and Americans 'overthrow' Republic of Vietnam government.
So clearly they are not all chain Vietnam and China as rivals by the civil war there, or really want to protect the territorial integrity of Vietnam, when harrowing Vietnam Wrath "lost land"?
But the people who have knowledge in the country, the blogger recent political problems that most young people are full of enthusiasm and ideals, then perhaps another.
They seem unaffected by anti-Communist ideology, is simply the love of water only. New World has something worthy goals.
Transform table
These young men grew up mostly in the 1980s, influenced by nationalism is state control of Vietnam after the 1979 border war, all chains of China, China denounce 'a bit more '.
They do not realize the fact that Vietnam is also part of China in the flesh, shared cultural backgrounds and ideologies, and received many gifts from China for over 20 years of war (1950 -1975).
Whether China is helping Vietnam because of their political calculations, help to win is good also that 'I remember'. Phrase "love love both way, hate who hate their whole tribe ti" in this situation is probably true.
This made me think of thousands of Chinese in the 1990s were victims of so-called "state-controlled nationalism (nationalism with the control) when they fight for the things condemned Japan happened in World War II, demand justice and sovereignty for Japan.
They were Chinese police crackdown, which the mouth because when China wanted the resolution "high-level diplomacy" with Japan and did not want to lose our investment in Japan.
The young man was so affected by ideology against the Japanese in China under Mao years.
When the situation changes in the country, they do not change fast enough. Maoist propaganda that has been in the Nanjing massacre, thousands of Chinese were killed, but recent statistics have been brought to review the accuracy of it.
The blogger was arrested in Vietnam recently, too. They are not adapted to keep environmental diplomacy between Vietnam and China in 1990, continued to live in the "anti-China nationalism (nationalism or anti-China all Chinese) of the 1980 .
The question
There is a question of "Why people young Vietnamese intellectuals critical thought, ready to suspect, denied that the state is declared and Vietnam to implement, but which is not available critical understanding of their history or what state and Vietnam announced the implementation from 50 years ago? "
We used to hear "Vietnam 4000 year history of the Nation," whether I'm often asked if the figure was 4000 thousand years to get where? Is it not true? Vietnam has a land shapes ahead of time how Zhao Wang?
The fact that Vietnam's history over 2000 years from time to time, Nguyen Trieu Da, despite occasional claims "Rivers of South Mountain, in South King," Vietnam is still a part of China.
The people of Vietnam comes from China, Vietnam, King's departure from the Chinese team, as he regarded the king as father of China ... from Ngo Quyen Dinh Bo Linh, or Ly Cong Uan, then the clan they Tran, Le, Nguyen, etc. ..
We ever ask yourself that Vietnam's history that we learn is not true that history?
The bloggers fight for territorial sovereignty has never read, Vietnam has signed (Le Van Huu), Vietnam has brief (anonymous author Tran), Vietnam has signed or e-mail us (Ngo Si Lien), or A Brief History Vietnam (Tran Trong Kim) in their original forms, not yet compiled, not mutilation?
They believe the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa belong to Vietnam on the basis of any, or only know from a textbook history of Vietnam and from the station information on Vietnam's official newspaper circulation after 1975?
Since when?
We considered the Paracel and Spratly belong to Vietnam since when?
Self-German Treaty of land donated to the French Cochinchina (1862), Qing compromise agreement with France on An-ruled south and the Ton-kin (1885), or the declaration of independence later referred to the the rights of the few islands it?
Republic of Vietnam government has never declared sovereignty over the islands which are not, or only new thing in 1974 until the Navy to maintain and protect the town? We've never spent time studies to verify the information before fighting for sovereignty is not it?
Just know that starting from the early 1970s, when the value of the oil becomes clear, when information about oil reserves in a few islands that is confirmed, and we recognize the importance of the construction yard flight, takeoff point transit and military bases in Southeast Asia, then a series of six, seven countries rushed to get it together by ourselves with the "historical evidence" suspicious.
After all, the country of Vietnam, Vietnam's territory now has been because of the "open confines" southward into the territory of Champa, the Khmer.
History is so, land residential relocation, property conversion, as well as by agreement by the encroachment.
Ultimately, we can say blind nationalism sometimes disastrous no less imperialist expansionism that.
-------------------------------------------------- -------
Posts reflect the personal views of culture and style of the author. Ms. Do Ngoc Bich has completed a PhD subject American Studies University of Hawaii, now living in New Haven and preparing thesis defense, while participating in teaching Vietnamese Language Center and translation for historical science history, Yale University.
Until now 20.04, BBC Vietnamese website has received many comments, private messages and some argue her point of Do Ngoc Bich. We'll post the article on the site's forum in the coming days. Editorial Board would crash due to lack of accuracy in the sub-division cycle for graduation by this author in the first post time.
ba tau, ba vit, ba que, etc. 
You are so mean.
You are so mean.
QUOTE (CaptainVietnam2000 @ Apr 22 2010, 11:09 AM)
ur vietnamese sucks and u have to go translate to try to claim urself u can understand viet. ha! u can't fool me ba tau!
She could be a Nguy who is trying to spread Nguy propaganda
Địt cụ đồng chí nhá!!! Làm đéo ǵ có con ngụy nào lại nói ngu dư buồi thế này ngoại trừ dững loại được ưu đăi ráo rục dưới chế độ ta tại Hà Lội?! Đừng gắp lữa bỏ tay người chứ ?!?
Rơ ràng sống và nhớn lên tại Hà Lội, thuộc dạng hạt giống 'đỏ' đới!!! Anh nghĩ chắc con 'giả' ngụy này 'điếc không sợ súng' (đặc điểm của giống cai trị hiện tại) v́ có ô dù ǵ đó nên không sợ bị đuổi việc khi về VN hoặc trên kiển trách, và viết bài này dưới sự chỉ đạo của Đê ta để xem phản ứng của quần chúng ra sao thôi.
Không có thằng hay con ngụy nào đang là PhD candidate lại dám vỗ ngực xưng ḿnh là ông hay bà nghè trên BBC đâu. Đồng chí từng học tại Berkeley, đ/c hiểu các danh hiệu hàn lâm đối với bọn trí thức cục phân th́ mà là quan trọng nắm nắm, và khác nhau giữa tenured/associate/lecturer/visit scholar/ instructor là dư thế lào.
Từ PHD thứ thật tại Hawaii University tới đứng lớp lại 'Gieo' th́ c̣n sặc máu, nói chi dững loại lèng mèng cỡ này.
Thôi cả làng cứ xúm vào ném đá nó đi. Qua BBC mà ném.
Địt cụ đồng chí nhá!!!
Làm đéo ǵ có con ngụy nào lại nói ngu dư buồi thế này ngoại trừ dững loại được ưu đăi ráo rục dưới chế độ ta tại Hà Lội?! Đừng gắp lữa bỏ tay người chứ ?!?Rơ ràng sống và nhớn lên tại Hà Lội, thuộc dạng hạt giống 'đỏ' đới!!!
Anh nghĩ chắc con 'giả' ngụy này 'điếc không sợ súng' (đặc điểm của giống cai trị hiện tại) v́ có ô dù ǵ đó nên không sợ bị đuổi việc khi về VN hoặc trên kiển trách, và viết bài này dưới sự chỉ đạo của Đê ta để xem phản ứng của quần chúng ra sao thôi. Không có thằng hay con ngụy nào đang là PhD candidate lại dám vỗ ngực xưng ḿnh là ông hay bà nghè trên BBC đâu. Đồng chí từng học tại Berkeley, đ/c hiểu các danh hiệu hàn lâm đối với bọn trí thức cục phân th́ mà là quan trọng nắm nắm, và khác nhau giữa tenured/associate/lecturer/visit scholar/ instructor là dư thế lào.
Từ PHD thứ thật tại Hawaii University tới đứng lớp lại 'Gieo' th́ c̣n sặc máu, nói chi dững loại lèng mèng cỡ này.
Thôi cả làng cứ xúm vào ném đá nó đi. Qua BBC mà ném.
QUOTE
They seem unaffected by anti-Communist ideology, is simply the love of water only.
LMAO, translation fail.
I love my water.
You don't get it, do you?
Government in Vietnamese means dat nuoc or sand water.
Government in Vietnamese means dat nuoc or sand water.
QUOTE (Kaosq @ Apr 22 2010, 03:04 PM)
LMAO, translation fail.
QUOTE (SoCal @ Apr 22 2010, 06:20 PM)
You don't get it, do you?
Government in Vietnamese means dat nuoc or sand water.
Government in Vietnamese means dat nuoc or sand water.
BS
'Country' in Vietnamese means 'Đất Nước' (aka Earth Water), not sand.....come on, Socal, if you have to translate, use a better program.
Đất nước + con người = VietNam
Government = chính quyền or chính phủ
QUOTE (SoCal @ Apr 22 2010, 04:20 PM)
You don't get it, do you?
Government in Vietnamese means dat nuoc or sand water.
Government in Vietnamese means dat nuoc or sand water.
What's your translation program called? Tiếng Bồi v. 1.0?
QUOTE (vietnam @ Apr 22 2010, 06:58 PM)
BS
'Country' in Vietnamese means 'Đất Nước' (aka Earth Water), not sand.....come on, Socal, if you have to translate, use a better program.
Đất nước + con người = VietNam
Government = chính quyền or chính phủ
'Country' in Vietnamese means 'Đất Nước' (aka Earth Water), not sand.....come on, Socal, if you have to translate, use a better program.
Đất nước + con người = VietNam
Government = chính quyền or chính phủ
nice job, vietnam! tell it to that ch1nk, socal who fails to be viet.
It literally means "land and water"
But usually we only use "water", I guess it's because our people lived near rivers and sea so they are more familiar with water and they use the word "water" for "country".
I love my water.
But usually we only use "water", I guess it's because our people lived near rivers and sea so they are more familiar with water and they use the word "water" for "country".
I love my water.
I love toilet you love water ok? No table anymore.
QUOTE (Kaosq @ Apr 22 2010, 05:17 PM)
I love toilet you love water ok? No table anymore.
LMAO
Does anyone else understand this?
Nope, cuz my tiếng bồi nội lực is too strong.
No who understand real huh? Speak have one sentence simple but no who understand.
Kaosp nói tiếng Việt bồi vật-vă!!!!
My attemp to transtlate his statement:
Anh iu cầu công chúa iu nước nhé? Không bàn nữa!
(So rỳ Kao, íp ai gót ít gong!!!)
My attemp to transtlate his statement:
Anh iu cầu công chúa iu nước nhé? Không bàn nữa!
(So rỳ Kao, íp ai gót ít gong!!!)
LOL fobby rules
QUOTE (Kaosq @ Apr 22 2010, 07:05 PM)
What's your translation program called? Tiếng Bồi v. 1.0?
and that is why they called it Tiếng Bồi (v. 1.0) version one dot oh oh
QUOTE (Kaosq @ Apr 22 2010, 07:17 PM)
I love toilet you love water ok? No table anymore.
three ten six ways, run is the best
[tam thập lục kế, tẩu vi thượng sách]QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Apr 22 2010, 07:20 PM)
LMAO
Does anyone else understand this?
Does anyone else understand this?
know die now
you slow pepper and you ugly tiger exceed you no understand what finish
QUOTE (vietnam @ Apr 22 2010, 07:51 PM)
She could be a Nguy who is trying to spread Nguy propaganda
Địt cụ đồng chí nhá!!! Làm đéo ǵ có con ngụy nào lại nói ngu dư buồi thế này ngoại trừ dững loại được ưu đăi ráo rục dưới chế độ ta tại Hà Lội?! Đừng gắp lữa bỏ tay người chứ ?!?
Rơ ràng sống và nhớn lên tại Hà Lội, thuộc dạng hạt giống 'đỏ' đới!!! Anh nghĩ chắc con 'giả' ngụy này 'điếc không sợ súng' (đặc điểm của giống cai trị hiện tại) v́ có ô dù ǵ đó nên không sợ bị đuổi việc khi về VN hoặc trên kiển trách, và viết bài này dưới sự chỉ đạo của Đê ta để xem phản ứng của quần chúng ra sao thôi.
Không có thằng hay con ngụy nào đang là PhD candidate lại dám vỗ ngực xưng ḿnh là ông hay bà nghè trên BBC đâu. Đồng chí từng học tại Berkeley, đ/c hiểu các danh hiệu hàn lâm đối với bọn trí thức cục phân th́ mà là quan trọng nắm nắm, và khác nhau giữa tenured/associate/lecturer/visit scholar/ instructor là dư thế lào.
Từ PHD thứ thật tại Hawaii University tới đứng lớp lại 'Gieo' th́ c̣n sặc máu, nói chi dững loại lèng mèng cỡ này.
Thôi cả làng cứ xúm vào ném đá nó đi. Qua BBC mà ném.
Địt cụ đồng chí nhá!!!
Làm đéo ǵ có con ngụy nào lại nói ngu dư buồi thế này ngoại trừ dững loại được ưu đăi ráo rục dưới chế độ ta tại Hà Lội?! Đừng gắp lữa bỏ tay người chứ ?!?Rơ ràng sống và nhớn lên tại Hà Lội, thuộc dạng hạt giống 'đỏ' đới!!!
Anh nghĩ chắc con 'giả' ngụy này 'điếc không sợ súng' (đặc điểm của giống cai trị hiện tại) v́ có ô dù ǵ đó nên không sợ bị đuổi việc khi về VN hoặc trên kiển trách, và viết bài này dưới sự chỉ đạo của Đê ta để xem phản ứng của quần chúng ra sao thôi. Không có thằng hay con ngụy nào đang là PhD candidate lại dám vỗ ngực xưng ḿnh là ông hay bà nghè trên BBC đâu. Đồng chí từng học tại Berkeley, đ/c hiểu các danh hiệu hàn lâm đối với bọn trí thức cục phân th́ mà là quan trọng nắm nắm, và khác nhau giữa tenured/associate/lecturer/visit scholar/ instructor là dư thế lào.
Từ PHD thứ thật tại Hawaii University tới đứng lớp lại 'Gieo' th́ c̣n sặc máu, nói chi dững loại lèng mèng cỡ này.
Thôi cả làng cứ xúm vào ném đá nó đi. Qua BBC mà ném.
Thôi chán chú BBC Việt ngữ rồi, từ xưa tới nay chỉ giỏi đi mót tin chứ làm ǵ có bài luận nào ra hồn, không biết bao nhiêu lần thấy mấy chú BBC phỏng vấn mà bập bẹ, lập cập trong cách dùng ngôn từ như vụ Vietnam Airlines. Cho mấy chú cũ về vườn hết rồi thế hệ khác lên mới khá được.
Mà nếu Đỗ Ngọc Bích tốt nghiệp cử nhân tiếng Anh ở Đai học KHXH & NV th́ cũng chỉ là làng nhàng thôi cũng chả phải hạt giống đâu. Qua bên đó chọn học môn Hoa Kỳ Học chưa chắc là do thực sự muốn mà dễ xin học bổng hơn, giống như qua châu Âu chọn Europe Study vậy, nên con đường đi như vậy nghiêng về khả năng chủ về mưu sinh và mưu danh chứ không chủ về con đường hàn lâm.
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Apr 22 2010, 08:14 PM)
It literally means "land and water"
But usually we only use "water", I guess it's because our people lived near rivers and sea so they are more familiar with water and they use the word "water" for "country".
I love my water.
But usually we only use "water", I guess it's because our people lived near rivers and sea so they are more familiar with water and they use the word "water" for "country".
I love my water.
I love Congchua's water, too.
QUOTE (bolide1975 @ Apr 23 2010, 07:42 PM)
I love Congchua's water, too.
dirty
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Apr 22 2010, 05:31 PM)
No who understand real huh? Speak have one sentence simple but no who understand.
QUOTE (cuteo @ Apr 23 2010, 09:36 AM)
you slow pepper and you ugly tiger exceed you no understand what finish
Does anyone understand these two sentences? lol
QUOTE (cuteo @ Apr 23 2010, 09:36 AM)
you slow pepper and you ugly tiger exceed you no understand what finish
No dare I slow pepper where. I understand right from when I new read already certainly set. I only ask stop certainly set.
what the hell
From now on, let's all speak tiếng bồi
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Apr 24 2010, 12:38 AM)
From now on, let's all speak tiếng bồi
Xigon very lemon question, don't vegetable with her.
Hiểu chết liền
QUOTE (Kaosq @ Apr 24 2010, 08:44 AM)
Xigon very lemon question, don't vegetable with her.
Kaosq writes wrong fault dictation. Return study again first grade.
j/k
lol
communism and democracy both have their own flaws you clowns
^ black and white both have their own flaws.
You can see black people at night, and you cannot see white people during the day.
You can see black people at night, and you cannot see white people during the day.
QUOTE (XigonCongchua @ Apr 24 2010, 11:33 AM)
Kaosq writes wrong fault dictation. Return study again first grade.
j/k
lol
j/k
lol
I know, but I couldn't find any other equivalent of "căi."
You guy are no door for me 
QUOTE (Kaosq @ Apr 25 2010, 03:43 PM)
I know, but I couldn't find any other equivalent of "căi."
?
You mean Cải? As in cabbage or Căi as in argue?
QUOTE (grandpapa @ Apr 23 2010, 06:11 PM)
Thôi chán chú BBC Việt ngữ rồi, từ xưa tới nay chỉ giỏi đi mót tin chứ làm ǵ có bài luận nào ra hồn, không biết bao nhiêu lần thấy mấy chú BBC phỏng vấn mà bập bẹ, lập cập trong cách dùng ngôn từ như vụ Vietnam Airlines. Cho mấy chú cũ về vườn hết rồi thế hệ khác lên mới khá được.
Mà nếu Đỗ Ngọc Bích tốt nghiệp cử nhân tiếng Anh ở Đai học KHXH & NV th́ cũng chỉ là làng nhàng thôi cũng chả phải hạt giống đâu. Qua bên đó chọn học môn Hoa Kỳ Học chưa chắc là do thực sự muốn mà dễ xin học bổng hơn, giống như qua châu Âu chọn Europe Study vậy, nên con đường đi như vậy nghiêng về khả năng chủ về mưu sinh và mưu danh chứ không chủ về con đường hàn lâm.
Mà nếu Đỗ Ngọc Bích tốt nghiệp cử nhân tiếng Anh ở Đai học KHXH & NV th́ cũng chỉ là làng nhàng thôi cũng chả phải hạt giống đâu. Qua bên đó chọn học môn Hoa Kỳ Học chưa chắc là do thực sự muốn mà dễ xin học bổng hơn, giống như qua châu Âu chọn Europe Study vậy, nên con đường đi như vậy nghiêng về khả năng chủ về mưu sinh và mưu danh chứ không chủ về con đường hàn lâm.
Giời ạ, từ bao giờ hạt giống 'đỏ' thuộc vào loại hàn lâm thật sự hử???
Loại này là 'hồng hơn chuyên' đấy mà.
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