I was going through wikipedia and it said:

According to an official source, at the end of 1974 the Hoa controlled more than 80% of the food, textile, chemical, metallurgy, engineering, and electrical industries, 100% of wholesale trade, more than 50% of retail trade, and 90% of export-import trade. Dominance over the economy enabled the Hoa to "manipulate prices" of rice and other scarce goods.


I mean wtf we are the ones who kicked the Ming out of our country yet we let immigrants manipulate prices on our own ground? Didn't the same this happen in Germany when the Jews took over all the busniesses?



In the land of opportunity (America) there are slightly more Vietnamese than Koreans, yet if you look up "List of Korean Americans" in Wikipedia you will find that there are more way successful people than "List of Vietnamese Americans"


I mean $hit, my father is a successful businessman and we talk about how Vietnamese do nails and paint people's feet in shady salons with cheap tile floors.

Anjelah Johnson's mocking of Vietnamese granted her millions and millions of Views on Youtube, probably more than our best guy (Dat Phan) can ever dream to be.

What the fu-k is the matter with us? Come on guys, we are all Viet family. tell me what you think

The part "Hoa controlled ..." is not clearlyl written and is misleading. The wiki page writer just extracted it from a poorly-written book from US library of Congress (www.loc.gov).

These lists depend on the writers.

I see many sucessful Vietnamese not listed on the list.

Vietnamese people are not stupid. We immigrated here later than the Koreans that is why we do not have as many successful people. Considering the fact that most people immigrated to the United States around 1975 we did had many achievements. Many of the prestigious schools have a lot of Vietnamese people in it. There are countless physicians, lawyers, and professionals that are Vietnamese. My uncle is a specialist doctor, and many of my other uncles and aunts are engineer. Most Vietnamese people in the nail bussinesses are new to the United States and are not quite proficient with English, so they did not attend colleges. However, the Vietnamese people that chose to go to school and make an education for themselves are as successful as can be. Many Vietnamese students at the highschool that I graduated from were the top students in our class. They scored perfect on the SAT and got accepted into prestigious schools. With the short time that we are in the United States, not only do we have Vietnamese individuals in NASA we also have them as representatives in the United States government. You should really stray from insulting your own people, and look at what we have accomplished in the short time that we are in the United States.

31 Vietnamese-Americans graduated as Valedictorian or Salutorian in Houston (Texas)

http://www.vhkhvn.org/vhkh/youth/images/VV...rogram_Book.pdf


Now, who knows who will these Vietnamese Americans become in the next 10-20 years?

Vietnamese people may not be good in other stuffs.

However, when it comes to repelling and fighting invaders, we are one of the best.

Tell me which group has fought Americans, French, Japanese, Chinese and came out victorious.

Hopefully these Vietnamese students learn to work together and assist other.

You discriminate against jews?

Believing wiki is not stupid, then i dont know what is called stupid.

Dont u mean south vietnam? ..remember it was a US puppet state which was previously controlled by the french who saw vietnamese as slaves. I think those numbers are ridiculous, they couldnt account for cho lon alone.

You cant compare vietnamese to the koreans or chinese. Most vietnamese came abroad as barefooted refugees after 1975 (most refugees was in the mid to late 80s, so we've come a long way in just a few decades. The Chinese and koreans have been here for more than a century and the modern generations came as cashed up or skilled immigrants. In a foreign land, some can be given less chances than others

No I do not discriminate Jews, nor do I believe in the Holocaust.

I was implying that the debt-paying Germans quickly overthrew the Jews and installed a powerful nation that had the strength to almost dominate Europe.
This was done by the will and talent of the German people, and I was putting up a thought provoking question how come the Germans could do it the Vietnamese couldn't.

I think nick5208 is a sexy phillipino girl.

I'm actually a sexy Vietnamese American kid

if viets are so stupid, how come we have a robotics firm in vietnam? first asian in space was viet

Vietnam should do what is necessary to protect and preserve the peace east of the Mekong River.

Better we know we are stupid, thus we need to learn more. Much you learn, much stupid you are.

Some sources said SoCal is stupid but he really are chinese

SoCal is pretty strange in that he wants Viet-Khmer-Lao unity. Very unusual very crazy, he seems like a faker (Im sorry if you arent but just what I think). What really throws me off is if he is a Chinese troll, why would he care to defend Vietnam when some Khmer trolls bash Vietnam? Yet he seems to be pro-Khmer as well.

Maybe he is just a genuinely good hearted person. Its just hard to believe on this forum... :/

^ Rather kill 100 innocents than letting a troll escape.

Vietnamese people are not stupid, although there are stupid people and smart people in everywhere.

Those Chinese-merchant economic prominence in Vietnam is just a factor of history.
They are immigrants and merchants / traders, and as a result, they are working mostly in commerce sector.
As a result, it seems that the Chinese descents are richer or "control" the economy, but actually it is a factor of history and inclinations. It's a coincidence that it turned out that way.

Also, the Vietnamese settlers in America, lots of them are uprooted refugees. Usually uprooted refugees would face bigger problem in settling and adjusting to the new society. This is different compared to Korean settlers because none of them are uprooted refugees who came not on their own volition.
However, this condition may pass after the second or third generation.

You're implying that the jews are somehow responsible for inflation, or that jews were a hindrance to Germany becoming a powerful nation. You think that jews take control of a society, and jews need to be overthrown. And you also don't believe in the holocaust. I'll never stand united with the likes of you. What's wrong with vietnamese? People like you are.

Vietnamese usually gets compliments of being "thong minh". This was never been an issue. I'm sure in 10 years when Vietnam gets richer, we will dominate Asian section in foreign universities. In many universities Vietnam is already 1st or 2nd, hard to catch up with Chinese, because their population is too high!

Vietnam should protect yourselves from China.

China is a piece of shjt.

Socal is a faker. I'll hang that monkey without a problem.

he usually made a lot stupids treath with wikipedia links

example for typical SoCal topics =





He do that like 20 times per day

What do you mean? Please clarify and elaborate.

Why don't you believe my sincerity and genuineness that I want peace and prosperity for Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam?

shut the fu-k up ch1nk

What is the difference between a Tau and a Vit?

We are getting off topic, which is Vietnam's talent and mentality.

I'd also like to throw in the fact Chinese are mining our metals, and setting up camps guarded by their military.

There was also an incident where 100 Chinese workers attacked a nearby village for whatever stupid reason, it's on youtube.

I think "You" not are Vietnamese (if you are American Vietnamese it is different than Vietnamese)

yeah I think we should get a life to get a better job
We are smart people and we don't deserve do that low job

Awesome first post!

Vietnam "defeated" Chinese, French, Japanese and Americans all when those nations are at their weakest.

Read the history about the four Chinese dominations of Vietnam and you'll notice that each time Vietnam "kicks out" the Chinese conquerers, it's when the Chinese dynasty is declining or China is in chaos. The same goes for the French when they were the weakest after World War II. The Japanese AFAIK were defeated by the Americans during World War II so they were forced to leave Vietnam. The U.S. was winning against North Vietnam until its government lost support of the people.

Point is, Vietnam was only able to "defeat" these four nations at their weakest and never in history has Vietnam invaded and conquered any of the four nations either.

Don't misinterpret history just to pump up your own confidence.


There are robotics in many countries... it's not as if Vietname INVENTED robotics.

The first Asian in Space, Pham Tuan went into space not because of Vietnam but because of the former Soviet Union. I don't believe Vietnam today even has a significant space program.

Awesome first post!

I doubt if the US was weakest in the early 70's. You're delusional.



Have you heard of the international space station?

Please read my whole post.

I specifically mentioned when U.S. was "defeated", it has already lost its people's support on the war. Low morale can also make a nation weak.


What does the ISS have to do with anything?

The last I checked, it has nothing to do with Vietnam.

Hahaha Chinese always love to make a excuse and try to justify.

Excuses, excuses. They had low morale because they have never fought in a modern day guerilla warfare and they had no real way of acheiving and sustaining victory, or even a lasting stalemate.

And what about the time the viets fought off the mongolian, were they at their weakest too?

They like to make excuses.

He forgot to mention the 3 failed mongol invasions of Vietnam but the Mongols owned their @$$.

The Manchu tried to invade VN but they failed too but the Manchu owned their @$$.

It is true Vietnam cannot invade large and powerful countries because it is, after all, a small country. But to be fair Vietnamese are very determined soldiers. You cannot discredit them with excuses like "Oh the US was weak, China was weak, France was weak."

The Song Dynasty "decided" to invade Vietnam twice and they failed. You can try to put up the excuse that the Song Dynasty was at its weakest moment but why would a nation at its weakest moment decide to invade another country?

The Mongolian "decided" to invade Vietnam three times and also failed.

The Ming succeeded in invading Vietnam but their annexation of Vietnam was short-lived. To be fair, at the time of the Ming invasion, Dai-Viet was very divided between "Tran-loyalists", "Ho Quy Ly-followers", "anti-Ho Quy Ly" factions.

The Manchu invaded Vietnam under the reign of Emperor Qianlong, one of the greatest emperors of the Qing Dynasty (the other one being Kangxi), but Qianlong's army got defeated in North Vietnam within 5 days. You cannot say the Qing Dynasty was at its weakest moment because that is not true. You cannot say the Qing Dynasty simply did not care because why would they bother to send tens of thousand of troops to invade Vietnam in the beginning if they did not care.

The French got defeated in Vietnam at Dien Bien Phu in the year of 1954. This was not the year when France was at its weakest moment. The Japanese were defeated. They got back to Vietnam, armed by the Americans, built giant fortresses to fight the Viet Minh. Tell me whether they were at their weakest moment.

The Americans started withdrawing from Vietnam in 1972. You can attribute this to the protests at home. But one would ask a question why, after nearly 20 years, the US with their most advanced and powerful weapons and technology in the world, could not defeat the Northern Vietnamese. The US had already spent a tremendous amount of money on the Vietnam War, if they continued their economy might collapse, withdrawing was their only choice. So in a sense, the Northern Vietnamese with their determination could drain the US economy and force them to accept defeat eventually.

Also to be fair, we should note that (with the exception of the Mongolian invasions which occurred when Đại Việt was relatively stable) most Chinese invasions of Vietnam took place when the country was in instability.

For example, the first Song invasion of Vietnam occurred when both the Vietnamese King and his eldest son (the crown prince) were assassinated. The heir to the throne was only 7 years old. Disputes over power in the court divided the nation and caused instability.

The second time the Song decided to invade Vietnam was also the time when Vietnam didn't have a "mature king". If I don't remember it wrong, the heir to the throne was only 7 years old too.

When the Ming invaded Vietnam, the country was in chaos. There had been food shortage for 5 years due to droughts and the incompetence of Ho Quy Ly's court. Farmer revolts occurred everywhere. The noble class also detested Ho Quy Ly because of his policies (two most unpopular policies among the nobles were: hạn điền and hạn nô). Along with that there were some Tran-loyalists that wanted to overthrow Ho Quy Ly from the throne. In this condition, no wonder when the Ming invaded us, they succeeded. Ho Quy Ly had support from neither the commoners nor the nobles.

When the Manchu invaded Vietnam, we were having one of the most raging civil wars in our history. The war of Northern Dynasty-Southern Dynasty dragged on for 50 years, followed immediately by the war of Trinh Lords-Nguyen Lords that spanned over a century. So by all means, our country was nowhere in great shape when the Manchu invaded us. But the Vietnamese still managed to defeat the Manchu.

Wow! Thanks Xigoncongchua for the information of Vietnamese's great history. I thought it was very interesting, and from our history I can see that Vietnamese people are indeed very determine and strong willed.

Well speech, xigoncongchua: very nice name

Thanks henry and coco

@henryvo: You don't know this but I used to be the princess of Viet Chat

you still are

Really?

I thought SoCal and Cubanoo have taken over. The age of Xigon was gone and now it's the age of SoCal and Cubanoo.

well we can have a renaissance

Borrowed from lilzz ... "you two geekies should find somewhere else to date , like the PM. "

Asean xigon is still yours while I have socal .