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Ogumo
The brutal slaying of a Japanese couple and their young children by a gang of Chinese students last year still haunts Japan's Chinese community and unfairly poisons Japanese attitudes toward China and the Chinese.

The first verdicts in China (two of the three accused fled to China, where they are on trial; one remains in Japan) in the high-profile case are imminent, and many Chinese residents of Japan fear that the announcement will spark another round of negative media coverage. As a result of the killings in June 2003, the number of Chinese students allowed into Japan has been drastically restricted. Many in the Chinese community feel that the press is stereotyping them as criminal, fueling a rising tide of anti-Chinese sentiment.

These troubling domestic developments come at a time when bilateral relations between Tokyo and Beijing are strained, most recently by the suspected incursion of a Chinese nuclear submarine into Japanese territorial waters. With both domestic and international issues dominated by negative images of China, the prospects for improving relations with the Middle Kingdom do not look promising.

The cold-blooded murder of the Matsumoto family in the southern Japanese city of Fukuoka is still the most emotive domestic issue clouding Sino-Japanese skies at a time of strong economic ties. Three Chinese students, Wang Liang, 22, Yang Ning, 24, and Wei Wei, 24, broke into the Matsumoto house to steal money and then brutally killed two children and their parents for about 37,000 yen in cash (about US$350). The trio later dumped the bodies in the nearby Hakata Bay, attaching weights so that the corpses would not float. (terrible. Those poor children...)

Wang and Yang fled to China, while Wei was arrested by the Japanese police and is currently on trial in Fukuoka for murder. China apprehended Wang and Yang in August 2003, indicting them in July this year. While Japan's slow justice system is still dealing with Wei, judgment in the Chinese trial appears imminent. The accused, who have admitted their guilt, are expected to receive death sentences because prosecutors have demanded "severe penalties". (Japan should model it's legal and prison systems after the chinese one.)

The prosecutors publicly acknowledged that the murders had an extremely negative effect on Chinese students in Japan, and expressed concern about the damage done to "the friendship between our two nations".

Besides catching and putting the culprits on trial, the Chinese authorities went to extraordinary lengths to assist their Japanese counterparts and offered support to the relatives of the slain family. In a rare move, the Japanese media were allowed to cover the Chinese legal proceedings and Japanese translation was provided for key sections of the trial. Despite this unprecedented level of cooperation, the Japanese media have almost exclusively focused on the negative aspects of the case.

A Chinese student, who did not wish to be named, told Asia Times Online, "This is a truly terrible crime. I feel so sad for the little children, but why are the newspapers and TV just concentrating on the nationality of the killers? (For the same reason why chinese focus on the japanese nationality when something negative happens I suppose. beerchug.gif) Japanese people have committed crimes like this in the past. Chinese people are just as shocked by what happened, but the media [seem] to be blaming us for it."

Dr Tom Ellis, a senior lecturer at the Institute of Criminal Justice Studies at Portsmouth University in the United Kingdom, offered a simple explanation. He observed, "It is an unfortunate fact that a murder committed by a foreigner is far more newsworthy than a within-nation domestic-violence death." (That is always the way. Not just in japan but china and korea as well.)

Right-wing politicians, such as Tokyo Governor Shintaro Ishihara, are exploiting this case and other crimes committed by foreigners, generating anti-Chinese sentiment and xenophobia. (If ishihara wants to exploit something it should be the latest submarine incursion by the chinese. That is far superior material.) Alarmingly, many ordinary Japanese believe Chinese and other foreign residents are largely responsible for recently rising crime rates, even though police statistics clearly show that foreign criminals account for only a minute fraction of all crimes.

William Stonehill, a foreign businessman and long-term Tokyo resident, summed up the feeling of many foreign citizens: "The number of crimes committed by foreigners is microscopic, and the whole notion of a foreign crime wave is an exaggeration of the Japanese government." (Which is also true unfortunately. The government should focus it's efforts on portraying the americans as the tyrants they truly are. )

Professor Richard Friman, director of the Institute for Transnational Justice at Marquette University in Wisconsin, described the phenomenon more dispassionately. He said, "Shintaro Ishihara has demonstrated that crime, especially foreign crime, works as an electoral/power-base issue, and on a national level Liberal Democratic Party lawmakers have followed suit. The appeal of the issue is not a new discovery for Japan and certainly not a new discovery elsewhere in the world."

Over the past two decades, crimes committed by foreigners have never exceeded about 4% of all crime in Japan, and typically the yearly average has been between 2% and 3%. Foreigners currently make up just over 1% of Japan's total population, so they are only slightly over-represented in the figures. Despite this, the police, lawmakers and the media have focused on foreign crime as if it were one of the most serious issues facing Japan. For example, five of the 16 annual Police White Paper policy reports published between 1987 and 2003 took crimes committed by foreigners as their main theme.

Dr Tom Ellis, the criminal-justice expert at Portsmouth University, explained why police forces tend to exaggerate the level of foreigner crime. He told Asia Times Online, "It is a virtually universal phenomenon that each nation finds it an appealing explanation that foreigners are far more likely to commit crimes than their own nationals. This is usually put down to cultural notions. In reality, there is often some truth in foreign or minority-group over-representation in crime, but not usually for cultural reasons. Rather, it is normally because immigrants are denied access to legitimate job markets, or at least access is far more difficult, and so involvement in illicit markets is likely to be slightly higher."

In response to the killing of the Matsumoto family, the government restricted the issuing of student visas, leading to an estimated 46% fall in the number of new students allowed to come to Japan during 2004. Surveys show that the vast majority of rejected student were Chinese.

In 2003, there were 109,508 foreign students in Japan, of which 64.7% hailed from China, with 14.5% coming from South Korea and 3.9% from Taiwan. Some believe that when the official figure for foreign students in 2004 is released, the overall number will drop below the 100,000 level. (Now there was no reason to stop the taiwanese and SK's....)


Ryoji Yamauchi, president of Asahikawa University, sees this as a backward step that will damage Sino-Japanese ties. He explained to Asia Times Online, "The government should definitely not try to restrict the number of Chinese students coming to Japan. If we are going to build a better, more internationally minded Japan, at ease with its neighbors, we desperately need as many of these young people as possible. When you see foreign and Japanese students having fun together, you know this is the future. I am proud of our foreign students - they add great dynamism to campus life and often excel. At a recent graduation, a female Korean student delivered the valedictory speech."

Yamauchi added, "The recent bad publicity generated by the murder of the Matsumoto family is regrettable. This was a highly exceptional case and the government and media should take a more responsible and measured attitude when discussing it. We need to build a better relationship with China. We certainly won't do this if we concentrate on rare acts of inhumanity and ignore all the bright young Chinese people [who] come to this country and make it a better place."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/FK13Dh01.html

Horrid these animals that vicilously murdered this family. My feelings go out to what is left of the family. The people they quoted in the article make a very good point. There are more chinese that mind their own affairs than chinese that are criminals and murderers. However this is still not a reason to persecuit the chinese that live on japanese shores. Not yet atleast... Many more articles to come.


Meatball:
I am certain that even you can agree with this.
Jasel
That's awful. I feel sorry for that family and the Chinese students who have to handle the blame of a few bad individuals. As long as people view others actions as a result of nationality or ethnicity bitter feelings will always exist.





RIP
zstar
It's just never gonna end with China and Japan ringing each others throats and ironcially trade between the 2 countries is growing every year.
berry580
Personally, as a Chinese who knows about the history of what the Japanese had done to my ancestors in WWII, I feel even a nuke on top of Tokyo is still not enough, let alone only a family dead. This is nothing, seriously.

If this murder can can be described as "cold" blooded, then what word can you use to describe the massacres of the Chinese? "Absolute zero" blooded?

You Japanese has absolutely NO right to even squeak about this.
khuanam
So the Chinese students/murderes was in their right to act the way they did?
Rad Raz
In chinese points of view, yes.
[t]
QUOTE (berry580 @ Dec 3 2004, 02:59 AM)
Personally, as a Chinese who knows about the history of what the Japanese had done to my ancestors in WWII, I feel even a nuke on top of Tokyo is still not enough, let alone only a family dead. This is nothing, seriously.

If this murder can can be described as "cold" blooded, then what word can you use to describe the massacres of the Chinese? "Absolute zero" blooded?

You Japanese has absolutely NO right to even squeak about this.
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Japanese people have every right to "squeak" about this. Anyone has a right for that matter. Stop dwelling on the past, two wrongs don't make a right. An innocent family was just murdered here, regardless of nationality/ethnicity. Your attitude of "oh they deserved it because they're Japanese" is sickening.

I hate people like you. Do the world a favor and slit your wrists please, but remember, don't slice across the wrist, slice down parallel with your arm. "Not across the street, down the road"

I'm Chinese by the way.
berry580
QUOTE (khuanam @ Dec 3 2004, 09:37 PM)
So the Chinese students/murderes was in their right to act the way they did?
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So the Japanese soldiers/murderes was in their right to act the way they did?


(If Rad Raz was to reply) In Japanese points of view, yes.

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Japanese people have every right to "squeak" about this. Anyone has a right for that matter.
Hence the Chinese has no every to even "squeak" about the millions of Chinese murdered by the Japan and let alone compensation?
QUOTE
Stop dwelling on the past, two wrongs don't make a right.
In case you don't know, the family thats been killed is the past now too. So why are people dwelling about it, you hypocrite?
QUOTE
An innocent family was just murdered here, regardless of nationality/ethnicity. Your attitude of "oh they deserved it because they're Japanese" is sickening.
MILLIONS of innocent family was just murdered by the Japnese. Your attitude of "oh its the past now, hence lets just have the Japanese masscre us" is stupidity.
Siu Wai
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MILLIONS of innocent family was just murdered by the Japnese. Your attitude of "oh its the past now, hence lets just have the Japanese masscre us" is stupidity.


I learned a cool fact...

The Japanese in interment camps during World War II received $20,000 per person as an apology from the American government.

The Chinese POWs received $15 per person from the Japanese government. Cheap. It's just the POWS, not the millions killed.

Though I have sympathy for the Japanese murdered, it is not their fault for World War II. Blame the Japanese government.
berry580
If you think that can solve the problem, then think again.
The current Japanese government still doesn't apologies and compensate for the physical and emotional damage done to the Chinese ancestors, meaning the CURRENT Japanese government supports what the Japanese government in WWII had done. Japanese citizens votes their government, meaning the majority of the Japanese believes the massacre, etc by the Japanese are correct, hence these WACKED (i.e pi$$ drinkers) Japanese basically don't deserve to be treated like a human because they're WACKED! And guess what? I felt much better when I realised two ATOMIC bombs landed on Japan, and I hope N. Korea will flatten Tokyo in the future, and hope these WACKED Japanese suffer more from earthquakes.
seira
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first let me tell you guys that i'm chinese but i also lived in japan for seven and a half years, therefore it gives me perspect on both side. yes i know what japanese government did was terrible in world war II, and i was taught so in my school(in japan). so it is not true that every japanese is in denial of this incidence. i do know that japanese government in being an @$$hole in denying this, but the society is changing. people are becoming more and more liberal and aware. so i don't find it good to stereotype all japanese that they were cold bloods because that is not true. you have right to criticize japanese gov for i'm not too found of it either, but living in japan was one of best experiencei had.
dwerbowy
I'm also chinese and hear the stories about the Japanese army and what they did in CHina during WWII and before that. Yes, some of the stories make me outraged, i do believe a formal apology is needed. However, to seek something beyond that point seems useless to me. Sure, you might feel better after you drop some bombs over Japan as a revenge, but what does that result in? The slaughter of the Japanese, and then the hatred between the 2 ethnicities perpetuates for another generation and another generation. THat's no way to solve a problem. The crimes of war should not be excused, but returning the same actions would only turn you into the same people that did this to you and all this hatred and bitterness could only hurt humanity itself.
angy
god bless their souls and may justice be served. They are ignorant and let them be ignorant but thast doesnt justify violence. maybe it'll take a few more generations be4 they get it outta their heads and if they don't then its a pity to them.
Digital Insanity
QUOTE (berry580 @ Dec 8 2004, 11:44 PM)
If you think that can solve the problem, then think again.
The current Japanese government still doesn't apologies and compensate for the physical and emotional damage done to the Chinese ancestors, meaning the CURRENT Japanese government supports what the Japanese government in WWII had done...
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The way I see it is that modern-day Japanese were intentionally deprived truth from them by the Militarist Generation como creo que cada unos pendejos hijos de las putas merezcan balas de un pinche cuerno de chivo.
葉兆峰
This was not inflicted by a government like WWII, this was by individuals.

These murderers are no better than the Japanese Murderers in China during WWII. All should be killed.

Yes, CHina has the fastest justice system in the world. The US blames China for so many executions, China has 2 Billion+ People, more population = equal crime. Why do they say CHina has such a huge execution list? Because China's justice system is 80% faster than the US, so executions accumulate faster than the US.


Yeah, dumb guys, I think CHina still has the, if execution comes, what's should the criminal experience? A nice painless shot in the head, or throguh the chest, or to be hung?

You know what I mean, you blame it on the Japanese for this murder? It is their own fault they stopped the new low with the WWII Japanese criminals. I have no pity for these Chinese, they make everyone else look bad. Sucks aye.
Phil_Huynh
and they only stole $350
and that cost 3 lives
thats stupid
and man
who could ever do that though
berry580
QUOTE (seira @ Dec 11 2004, 06:51 AM)
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first let me tell you guys that i'm chinese but i also lived in japan for seven and a half years, therefore it gives me perspect on both side. yes i know what japanese government did was terrible in world war II, and i was taught so in my school(in japan).  so it is not true that every japanese is in denial of this incidence. i do know that japanese government in being an @$$hole in denying this, but the society is changing. people are becoming more and more liberal and aware. so i don't find it good to stereotype all japanese that they were cold bloods because that is not true. you have right to criticize japanese gov for i'm not too found of it either, but living in japan was one of best experiencei had.
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It is not true that every japanese is in denial of this incidence, but its just that the majority of the Japanese are WACKED! And why? Not because I'm racist (I prefer Japanese cars over American or Australian cars, and even some European cars), but by the fact that Japanese had voted a government who denies history and a government, represented by their prime ministers who visits their WACKED, rapist and murderer ancestors (I mean @$$holes), and most of all, a government who doesn't compensate to the Chinese victims/victim's family who suffered in WWII.

Btw, you don't need to brag about living in Japan is the best experience you have, because we all know it is (especially when school girls with mini skirt (e.g 9 inches above the knee) are around you. LOL)
blatant
Dude, Seira is a real life friend of mine, she's a GIRL-

and it's not like Chinese uniforms aren't like that too sometimes.
berry580
QUOTE (blatant @ Dec 12 2004, 05:30 AM)
Dude, Seira is a real life friend of mine, she's a GIRL-

and it's not like Chinese uniforms aren't like that too sometimes.
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Oh... so you mean in general, Chinese school girl uniform's skirt tends to be shorter than the Japanese? Is that what you're saying?

Inorder to find the truth, seira, can we please have a photo of you in your Japanese school uniform (the version with a skirt)? beerchug.gif
blatant
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you're an idiot. Obviously your english teacher hated you when it was time to teach you how to read and comprehend what you're reading.

Instead of wasting all of your time being mr. ethnic hater- spend it instead on reading the basic texts of english (starting with "See Spot Run") and working your way up there.

Happy reading. biggrin.gif

*exits thread*
education
Im Chinese but I can't stress enuf that two wrongs don't make it right and on behalf of my country I want to say sorry for what happenend to the japanese family. Punishments should be handed down for criminal acts that are commited we can't just say that the chinese shuld get away with this just becuz of what the japanese did to us in WW2. Weather they want to acknowledge or apologize for what they did to us is totally up to them, but personally Im very proud to be Chinese and I feel we shud be ABOVE this and not resort to name calling and past war crimes. Everybody on this planet knows the japanese did wrong and theres alot of anger in all of us including me but with the two world wars that took place already I think everyone would agree when I say theres been enuf blood shed to last an eternity lets not start this racial garbage again. Everyone here knows China and Japan have a competition going on for dominance even though China has always been the most dominant for the most part in history and Japan has these last 10 to 15 years just started as much as (I don't like to say it) but maybe surpass us with their ability to make great cars, and become the world leader in the advancement of technology. Does this make them more SUPERIOR as I hear alot of japanese referring to themselves as HELL NO but I also feel you have to give props to them for doing there thing. Everybody knows CHina is gonna retake top spot very soon becuz everyone knows the top three superpowers in the world is the U.S, Russia, and China so Im not even worried about that. Lastly I want to remind everybody here that is Chinese to refrain from all this hate they know we got skills as well as potential and power but of course they'll never admit it so why even bother. As for the victims of the killings I want to say once again We are sorry and may you rest in peace. One thing Im proud to say the Chinese has over any other country in this world is our honour and the ability to admit were wrong!
ahmelons
I am shocked and outraged to hear this. Though the Chinese and Japanese are two different nationalities, they are all human beings. I can't believe how people can murder. It's just horrible.

*Sorry, I've been reading lots of murder cases and it really just puts me off.
Re2001fined
It sounds like those savages came from some Chinese ghetto in Japan. The root of the problem should be eliminated along with them. These people just dont randomly pick a house and rob and expertly kill a family. There are obviously gangs that target innocent people because they have a thirst of death of people weaker than them, who are worse than pathetic worms that carry knifes. Just the fact they kill children should be enough to be shot on the spot, and burned and their dirt remain returned to their families. Its worthless to point out WWII in case, because it has nothing to do with it. Even if no war happened, there will be these kinds of garbage.
Bryan_hung
QUOTE (berry580 @ Dec 9 2004, 12:44 AM)
If you think that can solve the problem, then think again.
The current Japanese government still doesn't apologies and compensate for the physical and emotional damage done to the Chinese ancestors, meaning the CURRENT Japanese government supports what the Japanese government in WWII had done. Japanese citizens votes their government, meaning the majority of the Japanese believes the massacre, etc by the Japanese are correct, hence these WACKED (i.e pi$$ drinkers) Japanese basically don't deserve to be treated like a human because they're WACKED! And guess what? I felt much better when I realised two ATOMIC bombs landed on Japan, and I hope N. Korea will flatten Tokyo in the future, and hope these WACKED Japanese suffer more from earthquakes.
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Your a fu-ken idiot. STFU. You talk $hit like china has always been a victim. You think China hasnt had her fair share of evil sins. Yes Japan did invade China and yes probably slaughter many people. But guess what thats in the past, way back before you were even sucking your mommies titty. And now you saying $hit like you wish for more people to die . Man your pathetic grow the fu-k up. Your not even human these peopled were murdered in cold blood and you try to justify those fu-ken kids who murdered that family with something that was done by a generation long gone. No one deserves to die not for any reason especially not over fu-ken a few hundred dollars and especially not their young kids. If you truly believe that their family deserved it because the japanese wronged chinese people in the past. Maybe you should read up on what the chinese government has done to her own people. Man i love China and i feel for the people who had to live in those days , but i aint gonna blame the nation of Japan for something that was done way before most of us were even born yet.
skat3r
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Is your brothers name William?
education
I agreed with most of what you said but theirs one thing you said in your post that really irked me "And probably did slaughter many people." Come'on many people I don't know if your japanese or not but please don't try to downplay what happenend to us by what some dumb people did to a japanese family. If you wanna talk about slaughter then how about japan slaughtering 20 million chinese. And it is important to this generation of chinese to because most of the people they killed were my relatives and the relatives of millions of other chinese families so you ask us how it could affect us since we weren't even born. U don't necessarly have to be born in the time it happenend to be affected. Look at the jews their still many of them that are being hated on even though they weren't born during the holocaust so I guess it shouldn't affect them too. What those chinese thugs did were wrong in this situation but look at how your reacting now just after this atrocity happenend and compare it to how you would feel if it happenend 20 million more times to 20 million more japanese families. Im willing to bet the japanese wouldn't feel to kindly towards us either.

QUOTE (Bryan_hung @ Jan 6 2005, 07:03 AM)
QUOTE (berry580 @ Dec 9 2004, 12:44 AM)
If you think that can solve the problem, then think again.
The current Japanese government still doesn't apologies and compensate for the physical and emotional damage done to the Chinese ancestors, meaning the CURRENT Japanese government supports what the Japanese government in WWII had done. Japanese citizens votes their government, meaning the majority of the Japanese believes the massacre, etc by the Japanese are correct, hence these WACKED (i.e pi$$ drinkers) Japanese basically don't deserve to be treated like a human because they're WACKED! And guess what? I felt much better when I realised two ATOMIC bombs landed on Japan, and I hope N. Korea will flatten Tokyo in the future, and hope these WACKED Japanese suffer more from earthquakes.
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Your a fu-ken idiot. STFU. You talk $hit like china has always been a victim. You think China hasnt had her fair share of evil sins. Yes Japan did invade China and yes probably slaughter many people. But guess what thats in the past, way back before you were even sucking your mommies titty. And now you saying $hit like you wish for more people to die . Man your pathetic grow the fu-k up. Your not even human these peopled were murdered in cold blood and you try to justify those fu-ken kids who murdered that family with something that was done by a generation long gone. No one deserves to die not for any reason especially not over fu-ken a few hundred dollars and especially not their young kids. If you truly believe that their family deserved it because the japanese wronged chinese people in the past. Maybe you should read up on what the chinese government has done to her own people. Man i love China and i feel for the people who had to live in those days , but i aint gonna blame the nation of Japan for something that was done way before most of us were even born yet.
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angy
its not well known over here but the japanese invasion was just as bad as the nazi's. and japan's a country as big as california and they werent even a world power like the germans.. just imagine their level of killing compared to the german. germans at least fed and kept the jewish for awhile. but the japanese shot everyone they saw, the ones they kept prisoners was so they could produce a mass body of people before they dug a hole the size of 5 football fields and chain gunned them all men,women and children. and the germans thought killing people by guns were too slow.. the japanese was able to do it with smaller numbers and without any gassing.

anyways lets get to the point here.. these chinese guys deserve whatever's coming to them so lets not blame the past. like any criminal activityslets try not look at colour and just the crime. we are a new generation and should be educated about this and learn from the past.

*edit* stats wrong before

WW2 People Dead

6 Million Jews

12 Million Chinese

Now you know why modern China has so many people in the army.
education
Are you sure its 12 million where did you get your number from?

QUOTE (angy @ Jan 7 2005, 02:50 PM)
its not well known over here but the japanese invasion was just as bad as the nazi's. and japan's a country as big as california and they werent even a world power like the germans.. just imagine their level of killing compared to the german. germans at least fed and kept the jewish for awhile. but the japanese shot everyone they saw, the ones they kept prisoners was so they could produce a mass body of people before they dug a hole the size of 5 football fields and chain gunned them all men,women and children. and the germans thought killing people by guns were too slow.. the japanese was able to do it with smaller numbers and without any gassing.

anyways lets get to the point here.. these chinese guys deserve whatever's coming to them so lets not blame the past. like any criminal activityslets try not look at colour and just the crime. we are a new generation and should be educated about this and learn from the past.

*edit* stats wrong before

WW2 People Dead

6 Million Jews

12 Million Chinese

Now you know why modern China has so many people in the army.
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Rappapa
QUOTE (angy @ Jan 7 2005, 01:50 PM)
its not well known over here but the japanese invasion was just as bad as the nazi's. and japan's a country as big as california and they werent even a world power like the germans.. just imagine their level of killing compared to the german. germans at least fed and kept the jewish for awhile. but the japanese shot everyone they saw, the ones they kept prisoners was so they could produce a mass body of people before they dug a hole the size of 5 football fields and chain gunned them all men,women and children. and the germans thought killing people by guns were too slow.. the japanese was able to do it with smaller numbers and without any gassing.

anyways lets get to the point here.. these chinese guys deserve whatever's coming to them so lets not blame the past. like any criminal activityslets try not look at colour and just the crime. we are a new generation and should be educated about this and learn from the past.

*edit* stats wrong before

WW2 People Dead

6 Million Jews

12 Million Chinese

Now you know why modern China has so many people in the army.
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Is that 6 Million innocent Jews and 12 Million Armed Chinese?
angy
this ones got a chart

http://www.hitler.org/ww2-deaths.html

wow it says 10,000,000 civilian deaths

1,324,000 military
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