Liú Bāng was born into a lower class farming family in Pei (present Pei County in Jiangsu Province).

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In ancient times, the northern Han Chinese referred to the peoples to their south collectively as the Yue. Historian Luo Xianglin has suggested that these peoples shared a common ancestry with the Xia Dynasty. There is little evidence, however, that the Yue peoples held any common identity. Historical texts often refer to the Hundred Yue tribes (Chinese: 百越; pinyin: Bǎi Yuè; Cantonese Yale: Baak Yuht; Vietnamese: Bách Việt). The "Treatise of Geography" in Han Shu notes: "In the seven or eight thousand li from Jiaozhi to Kuaiji (modern southern Jiangsu or northern Zhejiang) the Hundred Yue are everywhere, each with their own clans."

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Ancient Chinese texts do not mention Yue until the wars which opposed it to its northern neighbour, the state of Wu, in the late 6th century BC.Yue was a Non-Chinese state of the southeast that significantly shaped the history of the Spring and Autumn (Chunqiu) 春秋 period. The rulers of Yue are said to be descendants of the mythical Xia 夏 Dynasty with the surname Si 姒 or Yu 芋. Their first ancestor Wuyu 無餘, a son of King Shaokang 少康, was enfeoffed as viscount (zi 子) of Guiji 會稽. Yue often fought in alliances with Chu 楚 against Wu 吳 and finally destroyed Wu. Yue thus occupied the whole southeast of China, the modern provinces Jiangsu and Zhejiang, After several decades of conflict, King Goujian of Yue managed to destroy and annex Wu in 473 BC, and Yue became one of the powerful states in the early Warring States Period.

During the Spring and Autumn Period, its capital was in Guiji (会稽), near the modern city of Shaoxing. After the conquest of Wu, the kings of Yue moved their capital north, to Wu (modern Suzhou).

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Hmm...

No.

(Sorry for not posting more, but it's new years and this question really is ridiculous.)

You are so stupid. You can't read? How old are you? 15? Only Southern Jiangsu was included in the Bai Yue. While Liu Bang was from Pei, Northern Jiangsu. Remember Northern Jiangsu 2000 years ago had other name.

Sorry, you are Vietnamese as me but I have to tell what it really is.

My impression is that without qualification, the term "Yue" means little more than the term "Southeast Asian." That is to say, associated with a set of stereotypes in the minds of those writing about them, but in fact a complex collection of peoples grouped under a common term because the writers really didn't know much better.

Southern jiangsu is Wu kingdom.



Well, anyone with IQ>70 would understand that. Yue refer to some groups which relate to SEA tribes in mainland.

The "Treatise of Geography" in Han Shu notes: "In the seven or eight thousand li from Jiaozhi to Kuaiji (modern southern Jiangsu or northern Zhejiang)

Southern Jiangsu or Northern Zhejiang? The writer is not sure either.

You are stupid, extremely stupid, and plus very stupid. We Vietnamese are not Han you moron. PLEASE DON'T ASSOCIATED US VIETNAMESE WITH THE CHINESE. GO fu-k YOUR MOM @$$ HOLE

lol, anyway, whether Jiangsu or Zhejiang do not have much relationship with u. DNA test has proved this.
BTW I think next time that person need to study how china divide it into different province during Han dyansty.

He is having an identity crisis probably because he looks too Northeast Asian.

The Yue were diverse.

No proud Viets would claim such Yue far North like that.

Unlucky from anthropology, there is no such a term called NEA.

So any viets here who wanted to relate u to southern chinese can be called "no proud viet"?

Southern Chinese are a different breed maybe they claim the native people are related to them.




NEA = North East Asia

Looking like you, Koreans or Japanese

Have any southern chinese began to claim relate to u here?

I know of viets who claim that viets r really southern chinese

I didn't pay attention. Have you seen any?

Liú Bāng was born into a lower class farming family in Pei (present Pei County in Jiangsu Province).

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In ancient times, the northern Han Chinese referred to the peoples to their south collectively as the Yue. Historian Luo Xianglin has suggested that these peoples shared a common ancestry with the Xia Dynasty. There is little evidence, however, that the Yue peoples held any common identity. Historical texts often refer to the Hundred Yue tribes (Chinese: 百越; pinyin: Bǎi Yuè; Cantonese Yale: Baak Yuht; Vietnamese: Bách Việt). The "Treatise of Geography" in Han Shu notes: "In the seven or eight thousand li from Jiaozhi to Kuaiji (modern southern Jiangsu or northern Zhejiang) the Hundred Yue are everywhere, each with their own clans."

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Ancient Chinese texts do not mention Yue until the wars which opposed it to its northern neighbour, the state of Wu, in the late 6th century BC.Yue was a Non-Chinese state of the southeast that significantly shaped the history of the Spring and Autumn (Chunqiu) 春秋 period. The rulers of Yue are said to be descendants of the mythical Xia 夏 Dynasty with the surname Si 姒 or Yu 芋. Their first ancestor Wuyu 無餘, a son of King Shaokang 少康, was enfeoffed as viscount (zi 子) of Guiji 會稽. Yue often fought in alliances with Chu 楚 against Wu 吳 and finally destroyed Wu. Yue thus occupied the whole southeast of China, the modern provinces Jiangsu and Zhejiang, After several decades of conflict, King Goujian of Yue managed to destroy and annex Wu in 473 BC, and Yue became one of the powerful states in the early Warring States Period.

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MAP OF WU IN WARRING STATES PERIOD



AFTER YUE CONQUERED WU...THEIR BORDER STRETCH TO FARTHER NORTHEAST OF CHINA




BASE ON THIS, LIU BANG STARTED THE HAN EMPIRE FROM THE JIANGSU REGION, HIS ARMY, PEOPLE....HAS MORE RELATION TO YUE

Because none of chinese here claim they are related to u.
And again relate to the aboriginals of Southern china doesn't mean relate to u. It just mean relate to some SEA groups.

WOW, SO THEY MUST SPEAK A YUE LANGUAGE.MODERN TIME PEOPLE FROM XUZHOU SPOKE MANDARIN-ZHONGYUAN MANDARIN.
THANKS FOR UR EVIDENCE. U PROVE THAT YUE SPEAK A SINTIC LANGUAGE.

Whatever you say. Viets are not related to anyone. We are unique people now.

U need to persuade ur own people.

This kid will realize who he is when he grows older.

You know many Chinese kids think they are related to Koreans and Japanese too.

Have never seen this kind of kids.If u found this kind of chinese kids ,please tell me.(Do not prove my idea on viets again: only speak but can never give any evidence to support their ideas)

btw some Koreans like to stick to northern chinese and some japanese also like to stick to some chinese. The truth.

No, no, and no. You are assuming that conquering a country means that country's army, people, etc. becomes yours. That is not true. During the Warring States, state borders shifted many times as kings jostled for power, but this does not imply that the people in those regions changed along with the borders. When the French conquered Vietnam, did Vietnamese become French? Of course not.

Technically speaking, the area of Xuzhou was inhabited by the Huaiyi and/or Dongyi before the arrival of Zhou power. During the Eastern Zhou, it became a border region between Chu, Qi, and Wu. Later, Wu was conquered by Yue (around 470 BC), and Yue presumably had nominal control over certain parts of Jiangsu. But this ended in ~330 BC, when Yue was itself conquered by Chu. By the time Liu Bang was born, Jiangsu, along with the former lands of Wu and Yue, were all under the control of Chu, and it is for this reason that Liu Bang is sometimes considered a man of Chu by historians (because he grew up under Chu rule). However, there is some evidence that Liu Bang's family traces its ancestry to the state of Wei, and had migrated to Xuzhou from the north.

As for Liu Bang's army, they were a multi-regional force. Nominally, Liu Bang represented the state of Han (Sichuan, Chongqing, southern Shaanxi), of which he was made a king for his role in the downfall of Qin. However, in opposing Xiang Yu, the king of Chu, Liu Bang recruited from all over China. Loyalty, then, wasn't as based on nation and ethnic group as it is today; rather, people gave their loyalty to those who would benefit them, and so it was that many of the kings, chieftans, etc. of China threw their support behind Liu Bang. This was what made up Liu Bang's force, and ironically, though Liu Bang often identified with Chu culture, he would ultimately face off against Chu in the bid for emperor over China, and this is why his war with Xiang Yu is called the Chu-Han contention.

Lastly, the Han Empire was not started from the Jiangsu region. Liu Bang's power base was in the state of Han, and then in Guanzhong, from which he launched his war against Xiang Yu. Jiangsu was actually controlled by Xiang Yu, who proclaimed himself King of Chu, around this time. The Han Dynasty's eventual capitol was in Xi'an (Chang'an) in Shaanxi.

Why don't google search in your language about those kids? They try to act Korean, Japanese.

OK, in the end u make me really disappointed because u still can not find any evidence to support ur idea.
Use google search I also can see a lot of chinese kids anti Korean/Japanese.

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Although Haplogroup O3 appears to be primarily associated with Chinese populations, it also forms a significant component of the Y-chromosome diversity of most modern populations of the East Asian region. Haplogroup O3 is found in over 50% of all modern Chinese males (with frequency ranging from 30/101 = 29.7% among Pinghua-speaking Hans in Guangxi[26]" to 83.3% among Hans in Hebei[7]), about 40% of Manchurian, Korean, and Vietnamese males, about 33.3%[11] to 62.3%[12][27] of Filipino males, about 10.5%[22] to 55.6%[22] of Malaysian males, about 10.3% (4/39 Guide County, Qinghai)[16] to 44% (22/50 Zhongdian County, Yunnan)[17] of Tibetan males, about 20%[17] to 32.6%[5] of Yi males, about 25% of Zhuang[28] and Indonesian[29] males, and about 16%[14][30] to 20%[11] of Japanese males. The distribution of Haplogroup O3 stretches far into Central Asia (approx. 40% of Dungans,[20] 31% of Salars,[18] 24% of Dongxiang[18], 18% to 22.8%[11] of Mongolians, 12% of Uyghurs,[20] 9% of Kazakhs,[20] 6.2% of Altayans[31], and 4.1% of Uzbeks[20]) and Oceania (approx. 25%[11] to 32.5%[22] of Polynesians, 18%[11] to 27.4%[22] of Micronesians, and 5% of Melanesians[32]), albeit with reduced frequencies of most subclades. It should be noted that Haplogroup O3* Y-chromosomes, which are not defined by any identified downstream markers, are actually more common among certain non-Han Chinese populations than among Han Chinese ones, and the presence of these O3*

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FURTHERMORE,

BASE ON HAPLOGROUP 03 STUDY, EVIDENTLY FURTHER NORTH OF CHINA THE LESSER PRESENCE OF HAPLOGROUP 03 AS WELL AS MORE COMMON TO NON-HAN (CONSIDERED YUE NOW) THAN SO CALLED CURRENT HAN (MIXED YUE AND OTHER ETHNICS). THIS PROVE THAT YUE/HAN ORIGIN SPREAD THE HAPLOGROUP 03 TO THE REST OF CHINA DURING THE HAN RULE...

U know no one here want the truth. So u are just wasting ur time here.

Evidence? You can find it yourself.

In the end u have some progress, but I think u need to know more about O3*.
And there is a test called Y-STR, which has already prove O3*/O3a5 in southern china was from northern.
Again u are proving Yue spoke a sinitic language now. Add oil..

U give us ur opinion and obviously u need to choose some evidence to support ur idea. U never know that?
Oh, I forget to tell u a lot of asian country copied japanese fashion. And japanese followed America.But it does not mean all asians think they are related to Japanese or koreans.
I think u are also a confused kids here.

Ridiculous. A group like the Yue or the Han is not defined by a single haplogroup. I can see now that you are not interested in actually learning anything. I will respect your need to vent and kindly disengage from this thread. Sorry.

Whatever you say that makes you feel good about yourself, little girl.

HE MIGHT BE A MAN OF CHU, BUT HIS ETHNIC AND PEOPLE IN THAT REGION IS MORE LIKELY YUE DUE TO AFTER 150 YEARS OF YUE RULE.


AGREE WITH MULTI-REGIONAL FORCE LATER ....BUT LIU BANG AND HIS INITIAL SOLDERS WERE MORE LIKELY FROM THE REGION OF YUE.....

I can understand u now.Ok, u sound like a A Q lah.
U win.

U KNOW WHAT U ARE DOING HERE? U ARE PROVING YUE=HAN NOW.
AND HAVE SOME BASIC LOGIC, MOST ZHEJIANGESE TODAY MAY HAVE NEVER TRAVELLED TO VIETNAM BUT MOST HAVE BEEN TO NORTHERN AND HAVE SOME NORTHERN RELATIVES, WHICH IS SAME AS 2500-3000 YEARS AGO.

I'll give it to you again, xuzhou is in northern jiangsu, not southern .. it is included in part of shandong central plains before being incorporated to jiangsu.

HEY WHERE DID I PROVE HAN-VIET?.....HAN-YUE AS SHOWED IN THIS THREAD.

And Xuzhou did not become part of Jiangsu after 1949.
Well I support viets here have a battle with koreans, in fact Xuzhou was called Xu Yi in the past.

OK U SUCCESSFULLY PROVE YUE SPOKE A SINITIC LANGUAGE.
ADD SOME MORE INFORMATION FOR U. THE ROYAL FAMILY OF MING DYNASTY ALSO ORIGINED FROM JIANGSU. SO THEY ARE ALSO YUE.

Is this another viet chinese wannabe thread?

Some viets here want to prove that yue=han but not =viet.

shameless vietnamese go kill yourselves your ancestors must be very heart breaking to see an offspring like you tsk tsk fu-king vietcong
every chinese should start to hate them now

LOL these sad pathetic vietcong monkeys

By this logic:

All American todays are NATIVE AMERICANS since the America were populated only by native americans before the westers comes

All bloody Austrialians are Native Australians since the Austrila a few hundred years ago are populated by Native Austrailians only

Go fu-k yourself you sad monkey, you are just a subhuman, learn to live with it

Of cause we have connection with everyone, we happened to colonize there just like we have colonized you, not otherway around as genetic evidence proved, and the connection is at most 20%, nowhere near the degree to be considered as Chinese, get it? connection not mean kinship, The Afro-Americans now on average get some 15% white blood, does that mean white come from these afro-americans?

Same logic OK? go fu-k yourself you pathetic vietcong, no one in this world have less self-respect comparing to your pathetic ethnic, even Africans get way more pride than slaves monkeys

you are just a vietcong monkey who happened to blessed with advanced Chinese gene code somehow in your male part only, and nothing more, so are alot of other asians, dont think too much about that.

Go fu-k yourself you pathetic vietcong monkeys

um... wow... is someone actually claiming that the Han Dynasty is Viet? Better stop before you get laughed outta the room. This is no better than the Koreans claiming that Confucius was korean, or that Kanji's korean.

are you implying that proud Viets do claim Yues to your north as brothers? even though there's no evidence supporting vietnamese claims whatsoever?

The original Vietnamese Yues live around the Red River and the original Cantonese Yues live around the Pearl River.

Wow Viet Chat is one massive troll convention. NO REAL VIETS would ever claim Hans = Viets.

9xac
Viet are 2 nationlistic to claim our tradition enemy as our relative