The diplomatic face-off between Cambodia and Thailand is heating up. Cambodian PM Hun Sen seems to be the agitator, but the official reasons are vague and obscure. Though there are many reasons behind this complicated dispute involving internal Thai politics mixed with the Preah Vihear border claims and nationalist politics...an ASIATIMES article suspects that the Vietnamese may have a role in this:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/KK10Ae01.html
EXCERPTS: Hun Sen's main domestic opponent says the premier's overtures to Thaksin are not motivated by scoring political points or a desire to uphold Khmer nationalism, but instead are due to pressure being exerted on him by Vietnam, the invading nation which initially installed him as premier in 1985 and which the opposition still claims has influence over the CCP government.
Sam Rainsy has called the argument between Thaksin and Abhisit a "political game" to turn the Cambodian public's attention to the west, in the direction of Thailand, while ignoring the east, towards Vietnam. Antagonism among Cambodians - over inward migration and alleged land grabbing - is much higher towards Vietnam, which occupied Cambodia between 1979 and 1989, than towards Thailand, which has made less controversial service-sector inroads into the country.
"There is no doubt in my mind that Hun Sen is trying to show that he is the defender of the national interests of Cambodia and that Thailand is the real enemy of Cambodia and not Vietnam," said United States-based Cambodian economist Naranhkiri Tith.
Since the governments of Cambodia (& Laos) are seen as puppets of Hanoi...I wonder what Hanoi is thinking? Support Cambodia's challenge to Thailand or discourage it? Fighting between the Thais and Khmers will one way or another be advantageous for Vietnam. Would Hanoi care more about friendship with Bangkok or back-up its client in Phnom Penh?
Please Tell me what you think, please avoid offensive remarks.
Full Version: Vietnam's Role in the Thai-Cambodian Disputes
I think you should stop trolling, lame @$$ Khmer troll.
Viet Nam should use Thaksin Shinawatra as advisor too. He has got a lot of supporters in his country. Nothing wrong with getting advice is there?
When two angry people are fighting, you don't wanna try to stop them, otherwise you might get a pinch yourself. I dare Vietnamese government to say anything! So far they have not said anything. 
QUOTE (Buddhalove @ Nov 11 2009, 08:31 PM) 
When two angry people are fighting, you don't wanna try to stop them, otherwise you might get a pinch yourself. I dare Vietnamese government to say anything! So far they have not said anything.
China does not say anything either or US.
QUOTE (nguyenvt87 @ Nov 11 2009, 05:58 PM)
The diplomatic face-off between Cambodia and Thailand is heating up. Cambodian PM Hun Sen seems to be the agitator, but the official reasons are vague and obscure. Though there are many reasons behind this complicated dispute involving internal Thai politics mixed with the Preah Vihear border claims and nationalist politics...an ASIATIMES article suspects that the Vietnamese may have a role in this:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/KK10Ae01.html
EXCERPTS: Hun Sen's main domestic opponent says the premier's overtures to Thaksin are not motivated by scoring political points or a desire to uphold Khmer nationalism, but instead are due to pressure being exerted on him by Vietnam, the invading nation which initially installed him as premier in 1985 and which the opposition still claims has influence over the CCP government.
Sam Rainsy has called the argument between Thaksin and Abhisit a "political game" to turn the Cambodian public's attention to the west, in the direction of Thailand, while ignoring the east, towards Vietnam. Antagonism among Cambodians - over inward migration and alleged land grabbing - is much higher towards Vietnam, which occupied Cambodia between 1979 and 1989, than towards Thailand, which has made less controversial service-sector inroads into the country.
"There is no doubt in my mind that Hun Sen is trying to show that he is the defender of the national interests of Cambodia and that Thailand is the real enemy of Cambodia and not Vietnam," said United States-based Cambodian economist Naranhkiri Tith.
Since the governments of Cambodia (& Laos) are seen as puppets of Hanoi...I wonder what Hanoi is thinking? Support Cambodia's challenge to Thailand or discourage it? Fighting between the Thais and Khmers will one way or another be advantageous for Vietnam. Would Hanoi care more about friendship with Bangkok or back-up its client in Phnom Penh?
Please Tell me what you think, please avoid offensive remarks.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/KK10Ae01.html
EXCERPTS: Hun Sen's main domestic opponent says the premier's overtures to Thaksin are not motivated by scoring political points or a desire to uphold Khmer nationalism, but instead are due to pressure being exerted on him by Vietnam, the invading nation which initially installed him as premier in 1985 and which the opposition still claims has influence over the CCP government.
Sam Rainsy has called the argument between Thaksin and Abhisit a "political game" to turn the Cambodian public's attention to the west, in the direction of Thailand, while ignoring the east, towards Vietnam. Antagonism among Cambodians - over inward migration and alleged land grabbing - is much higher towards Vietnam, which occupied Cambodia between 1979 and 1989, than towards Thailand, which has made less controversial service-sector inroads into the country.
"There is no doubt in my mind that Hun Sen is trying to show that he is the defender of the national interests of Cambodia and that Thailand is the real enemy of Cambodia and not Vietnam," said United States-based Cambodian economist Naranhkiri Tith.
Since the governments of Cambodia (& Laos) are seen as puppets of Hanoi...I wonder what Hanoi is thinking? Support Cambodia's challenge to Thailand or discourage it? Fighting between the Thais and Khmers will one way or another be advantageous for Vietnam. Would Hanoi care more about friendship with Bangkok or back-up its client in Phnom Penh?
Please Tell me what you think, please avoid offensive remarks.
Hanoi thinks you should stop talking from your @$$ and use it for $hitting only. Thank you
I think Laos and Vietnam should just set back and watch the fight? 
Or we can just dance like this in the video Hanoi and Vientiane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eGRmG3u9F0...feature=related
Or we can just dance like this in the video Hanoi and Vientiane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eGRmG3u9F0...feature=related
They said that it is a problem at government level not people's. So neither US or China says anything. I don't see anything wrong in getting advice. Viet Nam should use him too, or anybody if his advice is any good. And there is no question about his expertise.
QUOTE (thekey @ Nov 12 2009, 01:57 PM)
They said that it is a problem at government level not people's. So neither US or China says anything. I don't see anything wrong in getting advice. Viet Nam should use him too, or anybody if his advice is any good. And there is no question about his expertise.
That is exactly why Hun Sen made him economics advisor. So, this has now become a Cambodian matter and I see absolutely no reason why Vietnam would want to get involved in Cambodia's personal affair at all. It has nothing to do with Vietnam and that is why they are pretty much quiet on the matter.
Well everyone knows that. That is why US and China do not bud in when they usually love to. Why Thai is moaning about it. Their lost is someone's gain and legitimately too. Thai provides heaven for people when others countries consider them as criminals. So they should take one for the check. He is an expert in the field and he still got plenty of supporters back home. A small matter really, normal people can see that.
Further accusations from Sam Rainsy against Hun Sen & Vietnam:
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/read.php?newsid=30116996&keyword=Thaksin
Excerpts:
Thailand had only recently started to unfairly challenge the status of a piece of Cambodian territory surrounding Preah Vihear temple, while Vietnam had grabbed thousands of square kilometres of land in many provinces over the last 30 years, he said.
"From a historical and geopolitical perspective Thailand is Vietnam's main rival in mainland Indochina. Therefore, weakening Thailand is in the long term interest of her rival," Rainsy said.
"To weaken Thailand, nothing is more effective than fanning the flames of internal divisions among the Thai people and supporting one fighting group against the other," he said in the letter.
The opposition leader urged Hun Sen's government to remain neutral over internal disputes in other countries.
Any spill over from the current tension or unrest in Thailand could be very detrimental to Cambodia, he said.
Hun Sen's miscalculation was like throwing oil on fire in a neighbouring country and was likely at the least to burn his fingers, and at worse, could set Cambodia ablaze, as past experiences showed when "we unnecessarily and unwisely took sides in our neighbours' internal disputes", he said.
[size="5"][/size] My Opinion: In any consequence of war, the victor takes from the defeated. Cambodia conceding territory to Vietnam is not illogical nor wrong. Khmer Rouge were defeated. If they had won, the Khmers would have taken territory from Vietnam.
Besides, if it weren't for the French, the area known today as "Laos" and "Cambodia" would not even exist. Laos & Cambodia would have broken and absorbed in the Viet and Thai domains. Vietnam and Thailand would directly border each other.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/read.php?newsid=30116996&keyword=Thaksin
Excerpts:
Thailand had only recently started to unfairly challenge the status of a piece of Cambodian territory surrounding Preah Vihear temple, while Vietnam had grabbed thousands of square kilometres of land in many provinces over the last 30 years, he said.
"From a historical and geopolitical perspective Thailand is Vietnam's main rival in mainland Indochina. Therefore, weakening Thailand is in the long term interest of her rival," Rainsy said.
"To weaken Thailand, nothing is more effective than fanning the flames of internal divisions among the Thai people and supporting one fighting group against the other," he said in the letter.
The opposition leader urged Hun Sen's government to remain neutral over internal disputes in other countries.
Any spill over from the current tension or unrest in Thailand could be very detrimental to Cambodia, he said.
Hun Sen's miscalculation was like throwing oil on fire in a neighbouring country and was likely at the least to burn his fingers, and at worse, could set Cambodia ablaze, as past experiences showed when "we unnecessarily and unwisely took sides in our neighbours' internal disputes", he said.
[size="5"][/size] My Opinion: In any consequence of war, the victor takes from the defeated. Cambodia conceding territory to Vietnam is not illogical nor wrong. Khmer Rouge were defeated. If they had won, the Khmers would have taken territory from Vietnam.
Besides, if it weren't for the French, the area known today as "Laos" and "Cambodia" would not even exist. Laos & Cambodia would have broken and absorbed in the Viet and Thai domains. Vietnam and Thailand would directly border each other.
I think Cambodia is going to lose everything . She's standing between two other much more powerful countries ( Thailand and Vietnam ) . 50% Cambodia's land will be Thai's and 50% for Vietnam !
QUOTE (LiaoFyhun @ Nov 12 2009, 01:54 PM)
I think Laos and Vietnam should just set back and watch the fight?
Or we can just dance like this in the video Hanoi and Vientiane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eGRmG3u9F0...feature=related
Or we can just dance like this in the video Hanoi and Vientiane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eGRmG3u9F0...feature=related
di chet di thang cho de lao
QUOTE (nguyenvt87 @ Nov 20 2009, 12:35 AM)
Further accusations from Sam Rainsy against Hun Sen & Vietnam:
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/read.php?newsid=30116996&keyword=Thaksin
Excerpts:
Thailand had only recently started to unfairly challenge the status of a piece of Cambodian territory surrounding Preah Vihear temple, while Vietnam had grabbed thousands of square kilometres of land in many provinces over the last 30 years, he said.
"From a historical and geopolitical perspective Thailand is Vietnam's main rival in mainland Indochina. Therefore, weakening Thailand is in the long term interest of her rival," Rainsy said.
"To weaken Thailand, nothing is more effective than fanning the flames of internal divisions among the Thai people and supporting one fighting group against the other," he said in the letter.
The opposition leader urged Hun Sen's government to remain neutral over internal disputes in other countries.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/read.php?newsid=30116996&keyword=Thaksin
Excerpts:
Thailand had only recently started to unfairly challenge the status of a piece of Cambodian territory surrounding Preah Vihear temple, while Vietnam had grabbed thousands of square kilometres of land in many provinces over the last 30 years, he said.
"From a historical and geopolitical perspective Thailand is Vietnam's main rival in mainland Indochina. Therefore, weakening Thailand is in the long term interest of her rival," Rainsy said.
"To weaken Thailand, nothing is more effective than fanning the flames of internal divisions among the Thai people and supporting one fighting group against the other," he said in the letter.
The opposition leader urged Hun Sen's government to remain neutral over internal disputes in other countries.
Rainsy is a hypocritical, racist, extremist, impractical person. HunSen treats Rainsy like trash! And Only people like Khmer Rouge underlings and Cambodian freedom fighters still worship him. So he'll never be Cambodian head of state and never have a chance to carry out another Khmer genocide.
QUOTE (LamDai @ Nov 20 2009, 03:34 AM)
I think Cambodia is going to lose everything . She's standing between two other much more powerful countries ( Thailand and Vietnam ) . 50% Cambodia's land will be Thai's and 50% for Vietnam !
That is never going to happen. The French completely and definitely ruined any chance of Thailand and Vietnam's further imperial expansion. Lao and Cambodia's existence in modern time was ensured by France.
QUOTE (quehuong @ Nov 21 2009, 05:14 PM)
Rainsy is a hypocritical, racist, extremist, impractical person. HunSen treats Rainsy like trash! And Only people like Khmer Rouge underlings and Cambodian freedom fighters still worship him. So he'll never be Cambodian head of state and never have a chance to carry out another Khmer genocide.
I can't believe someone is thankful to the French domination which led directly to US domination. Viets have been trying to live in peace with its neighbors for thousands of years. If China could not expand further into SA, and Viet ancestors have time and time demonstrated that they were not about conquest, then I think there is no ground, given that the southern part of Viet Nam was a wedding gift, it was not a usual conquest.
QUOTE (thekey @ Nov 21 2009, 11:22 PM)
I can't believe someone is thankful to the French domination which led directly to US domination. Viets have been trying to live in peace with its neighbors for thousands of years. If China could not expand further into SA, and Viet ancestors have time and time demonstrated that they were not about conquest, then I think there is no ground, given that the southern part of Viet Nam was a wedding gift, it was not a usual conquest.
Are you talking out of your AZZ again? What about the expansion into and the termination of Champa? What about the Viet expansion into Laos and Cambodia in the 1800's. The Khmer King only ALLOWED the Viet settlers to settle near Prey Nokor area because the Viet King Father of his Viet wife requested so. It was never a wedding gift as you claimed.
QUOTE (preahvihear @ Nov 22 2009, 12:36 AM)
Are you talking out of your AZZ again? What about the expansion into and the termination of Champa? What about the Viet expansion into Laos and Cambodia in the 1800's. The Khmer King only ALLOWED the Viet settlers to settle near Prey Nokor area because the Viet King Father of his Viet wife requested so. It was never a wedding gift as you claimed.
Why didn't you guys use your stare similar to the one you used to chase the French as you claimed? Who is talking out of their AZZ? The expansion was smooth as possible. As said, only Pol Pot's supporters, which you're too ashamed to confirm that you are one, are complaining about this. Your position is obvious.
The concept of "Survival of the Fittest" applies not only to the biological-evolution realm, but IT APPLIES to the system of nation-states as well. When a country becomes weak, its external rivals will seek to take advantage of the situation: this has been exhibited time and time again in history. (This is within the study of International Relations, under realist power politics.)
The Ottoman empire was "The sick man of Europe" back in the World War I era; the Ottoman Empire was defeated and lost huge amounts of territory, dwindled down to the present Turkey. In World War II, Fascist Italy tried to reconstruct the fallen ancient Roman empire by attacking Albania & Greece. Pol Pot tried to do the same thing, trying to recreate the Khmer empire. In both cases, Mussolini and Pol Pot failed miserably. China is on the same road; it is trying to claim all the past territories that were supposedly under the rule or influence of the Qing empire, e.g., Tibet, Xinjiang/East Turkestan, Taiwan, Arunachal Pradesh, other border-frontier areas. If history is an indicator, the PRC WILL FAIL TOO.
All these cases are examples of Irredentism: is any position advocating annexation of territories administered by another state on the grounds of common ethnicity or prior historical possession, actual or alleged
The Ottoman empire was "The sick man of Europe" back in the World War I era; the Ottoman Empire was defeated and lost huge amounts of territory, dwindled down to the present Turkey. In World War II, Fascist Italy tried to reconstruct the fallen ancient Roman empire by attacking Albania & Greece. Pol Pot tried to do the same thing, trying to recreate the Khmer empire. In both cases, Mussolini and Pol Pot failed miserably. China is on the same road; it is trying to claim all the past territories that were supposedly under the rule or influence of the Qing empire, e.g., Tibet, Xinjiang/East Turkestan, Taiwan, Arunachal Pradesh, other border-frontier areas. If history is an indicator, the PRC WILL FAIL TOO.
All these cases are examples of Irredentism: is any position advocating annexation of territories administered by another state on the grounds of common ethnicity or prior historical possession, actual or alleged
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