I realized why I left this forum couple of years ago. The forum is just bull$hit. Example. check out this bad @$$ skyscrapper in Saigon or wait look in the year 2050 we gonna leap over some other countries GDP or whatever. Don't sugarcoat the status. Vietnam is a communist country where rights are suppress. If I were from outer space, and this was the only forum about Vietnam I would believe the place is heaven. I am just tick off at some of ya for not reporting the other side of Vietnam. Please no more stats or tall building. How about everyday people. What do they do? How do they cope with the current problems in Vietnam. These types discussions would be appreciated.

I realized why I left this forum couple of years ago. The forum is just bull$hit. Example. check out this bad @$$ skyscrapper in Saigon or wait look in the year 2050 we gonna leap over some other countries GDP or whatever. Don't sugarcoat the status. Vietnam is a communist country where rights are suppress. If I were from outer space, and this was the only forum about Vietnam I would believe the place is heaven. I am just tick off at some of ya for not reporting the other side of Vietnam. Please no more stats or tall building. How about everyday people. What do they do? How do they cope with the current problems in Vietnam. These types discussions would be appreciated.

thang nguy nay chi muon nghe tin xau ve vietnam. Khi no thay Vietnam ta tien bo len thi no rat tuc.
neu may muon nghe tin xau ve Vietnam thi xin hay vo nhung dien dan anti-Vietnam cua chung may ma tu suong di.

I realized why I left this forum couple of years ago. The forum is just bull$hit. Example. check out this bad @$$ skyscrapper in Saigon or wait look in the year 2050 we gonna leap over some other countries GDP or whatever. Don't sugarcoat the status. Vietnam is a communist country where rights are suppress. If I were from outer space, and this was the only forum about Vietnam I would believe the place is heaven. I am just tick off at some of ya for not reporting the other side of Vietnam. Please no more stats or tall building. How about everyday people. What do they do? How do they cope with the current problems in Vietnam. These types discussions would be appreciated.

thang nguy nay chi muon nghe tin xau ve vietnam. Khi no thay Vietnam ta tien bo len thi no rat tuc.

I Please no more stats or tall building. How about everyday people. What do they do? How do they cope with the current problems in Vietnam. These types discussions would be appreciated.

I know something good about the current situation: under the guidance of our leadership, VN boasts a highest number of PhDs, surpassing the mediocre education system of VNCH which could only produce a handful of graduates who had to defense their PhDs at the top universities of France, Britain, or USA. As soon as 100% of our top administrators in Ha Noi possess their PhDs, our people will be on the way to the promised land.

If you Viet people really care about your motherland Vietnam, why don't you guys Viet around the world migrate back and try to develop Vietnam the way you wanted it to be. It is easier said than done.

Sure, we'll come back. But first, lets get rid all of commies. We dont want to collaborate with them.

The question is how ???

I realized why I left this forum couple of years ago. The forum is just bull$hit. Example. check out this bad @$$ skyscrapper in Saigon or wait look in the year 2050 we gonna leap over some other countries GDP or whatever. Don't sugarcoat the status. Vietnam is a communist country where rights are suppress. If I were from outer space, and this was the only forum about Vietnam I would believe the place is heaven. I am just tick off at some of ya for not reporting the other side of Vietnam. Please no more stats or tall building. How about everyday people. What do they do? How do they cope with the current problems in Vietnam. These types discussions would be appreciated.

I came back from Vietnam recently, I'll take a shot. You are correct, Vietnam is "communist" country and it is still poor.

The everyday Vietnamese do see their own lives improving, finding a way to get more income from a better job or through some entrepreneurial venture. Many young Vietnamese are going through school and hopefully, their knowledge can help lift Vietnam up further past the point where a better paying job cannot do.

Well said. Time is what we don't have. I am afraid I will be too old when it comes and of course by then my children will be too American to care for all this.





I came back from Vietnam recently, I'll take a shot. You are correct, Vietnam is "communist" country and it is still poor.

However, what are you trying to get with that point? That Vietnam is a hole? It sound like you are arguing that the skyscappers and project gdp increases are only skin keep and not affecting the everyday Vietnamese. That part is not true, but perhaps a more personal perspective is needed. Statistics and Skyscrapers do give a horrible job in giving a human face so it is easy to dismiss as only the commies are filling up the towers. However, in the recently years, millions did rose out of poverty, it is not like all but the elite are dirt poor. Take a motorbike down a street of Saigon and you'll see not just skyscrapers where you can question its value to the everyday people, but you can find little constructions projects everywhere. When I left, a little building was teared down so they can start building a new and better one. In almost every building is a shop, of course, not everyone is going to succeed, but some does, they become the Pho shop everyone eats or the Internet Cafe filled with people who they themselves got their money somehow. I did saw that. i did saw that the everyday Vietnamese are finding ways get a better standard of living.

The everyday Vietnamese do see their own lives improving, finding a way to get more income from a better job or through some entrepreneurial venture. Many young Vietnamese are going through school and hopefully, their knowledge can help lift Vietnam up further past the point where a better paying job cannot do. Of course, this will still take time. You can dismiss that the Skyscrapers and the statistics are for commies, but everyday Vietnamese are finding enough money to rebuild their homes or open a store, it is still a long process, and yes, for many it is faster by simply leaving. It will take time, but the changes are real on all fronts.

If you want to get rid of the commies, the best way is to cooperate. War will bring Vietnam back to the 1970's, sanctions will leave Vietnam in the same state as North Korea and Burma with regimes supported by China, but the corrupted men do age and new idealist are slowly infiltrating their ranks. As the economy gets better, more Vietnamese will be able to be more concerned about their government. First, will be concern about corruption, but eventually, it will be about democracy. You can argue the government will simply suppress them, and that's true. However, the party is already fighting over itself about how liberal they should continue with the economic policy, those younger party members might one day be more open to the demands of their people.

At the very least, taking a policy of no cooperation will hurt the everyday Vietnamese more than the communists. If pushed, the communists will just take the same path of North Korea and Burma with turning to China for just enough life to live on and the people having no means to better their lives at all.

Just wanna point out that Vietnam's market is capitalist (a mixture of command and control +free market to be precisely)with totalitarian government.

I came back from Vietnam recently, I'll take a shot. You are correct, Vietnam is "communist" country and it is still poor.

However, what are you trying to get with that point? That Vietnam is a hole? It sound like you are arguing that the skyscappers and project gdp increases are only skin keep and not affecting the everyday Vietnamese. That part is not true, but perhaps a more personal perspective is needed. Statistics and Skyscrapers do give a horrible job in giving a human face so it is easy to dismiss as only the commies are filling up the towers. However, in the recently years, millions did rose out of poverty, it is not like all but the elite are dirt poor. Take a motorbike down a street of Saigon and you'll see not just skyscrapers where you can question its value to the everyday people, but you can find little constructions projects everywhere. When I left, a little building was teared down so they can start building a new and better one. In almost every building is a shop, of course, not everyone is going to succeed, but some does, they become the Pho shop everyone eats or the Internet Cafe filled with people who they themselves got their money somehow. I did saw that. i did saw that the everyday Vietnamese are finding ways get a better standard of living.

The everyday Vietnamese do see their own lives improving, finding a way to get more income from a better job or through some entrepreneurial venture. Many young Vietnamese are going through school and hopefully, their knowledge can help lift Vietnam up further past the point where a better paying job cannot do. Of course, this will still take time. You can dismiss that the Skyscrapers and the statistics are for commies, but everyday Vietnamese are finding enough money to rebuild their homes or open a store, it is still a long process, and yes, for many it is faster by simply leaving. It will take time, but the changes are real on all fronts.

If you want to get rid of the commies, the best way is to cooperate. War will bring Vietnam back to the 1970's, sanctions will leave Vietnam in the same state as North Korea and Burma with regimes supported by China, but the corrupted men do age and new idealist are slowly infiltrating their ranks. As the economy gets better, more Vietnamese will be able to be more concerned about their government. First, will be concern about corruption, but eventually, it will be about democracy. You can argue the government will simply suppress them, and that's true. However, the party is already fighting over itself about how liberal they should continue with the economic policy, those younger party members might one day be more open to the demands of their people.

At the very least, taking a policy of no cooperation will hurt the everyday Vietnamese more than the communists. If pushed, the communists will just take the same path of North Korea and Burma with turning to China for just enough life to live on and the people having no means to better their lives at all.

First, coorperation needs trust from both parties. We dont trust the commies, they dont trust us either.

Second, the Eastern Europe's communist countries just collapsed by themselves since their peole were aware of democracy.

Third, the Viet Congs would not go backward to be like Burma or N. Korea because they have tasted the flavor of $$$. Now, for them going back to the ugly old days is just like getting away from the all-you-can-eat buffet that they're enjoying. Ngủ giường nệm quen rồi, bây giờ ngủ dưới đất chịu sao nỗi?