http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...9071801873.html

I wonder if these were Chineses who once lived North of the 17th parallel during the War. Ethnic Chineses came from the South of VN would apply to go to the West, HK or Taiwan. They would never want to live in Communist China, after being expelled or escaped from communist VN.

Wow, goddamn, and Chinese people complain about the racism in America, yet there's nothing but ethnic tension in China.

ehh, i don't think rampant descrimination, the chinese government seems to beating protestors all over china , falungong , tiananmen square, in some cases land seizures without compensation.

Um no. Chinese treat Mongolians, Filipinos, Tibetans, Uyghurs like second class citizens and even worse many times. What makes you think you're automatically not discriminated against?

its possible to descriminate based on race and ethnicity ,but systematic assault on peacefull civillians not likely.

Like what happened with the Uyghurs in Guangdong? It was started by a false rumor on rape, just because a Chinese Han was pissed that he got replaced by Uighur workers. Reminds me a lot of the racism in the US.

yep, happens everywhere. like how some companies never hire black people.

Một bài tâm sự của một người (đã từng là) Việt gốc Hoa.

http://www.talawas.de/

Da bao la "Dung nghe nhung gi CS noi"

wow that is veryy sad but cannot be avoided in countries like china and japan and korea u need to understand they are very homogenous for many many thousands years it is natural to unaccept nonchinese pplz discrimination is common in japan too i went to tokyo and people call me "black monkey" and "dirty face" sometime because i am dark they dont seem to like VIETs sometime and they always tink VIETs are illegal come to japan but thats just some pplz i have known some nice japanese pplz too so dont be unencouraged i am sure not all chinese pplz are like that!

Racism exists everywhere, but it takes on a different level when sanctioned by the government.

Some western companies try, but in the end they always get caught and sued. A recent example is L'Oreal in France.


http://guanabee.com/2009/06/loreal-sued-discrimination

usually its the smaller companies , big corporations can't really afford to do that, yep like l'oreal.

Wherever there are multiple ethnic groups living together, there is usually ethnic tension. And if they're separated, then their countries have national tension. This is human nature, like it or not.

The world isn't like the movies where everybody link up hands and sing kumbaya. Not in China, not in the US, not in Canada, not in Korea, not in Japan, not in Mongolia, not in Mexico, not in Africa, not anywhere.

Right, so Chinese shouldn't complain and be all self-righteous about racism then. However, without a shadow of the doubt, Chinese do in fact treat whites better than other Asians. The opposite applies to whites.



Chinese illegals are a much bigger problem in Japan. Chukogujin Kitanai Ne - Chinese are untouchables. Shinajin in Japanese (Ch1nk) or Jjanggae in Korean, but none for Viet though because there's not that much contact between them. I also doubt your story about Viets being called "black monkey". Filipinos aren't even called that.

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lol, they still use Shina in Japan? And what does Jjanggae really mean?

"Jjangkae" is korean equivalent to american racial slur for chinese

It is okay to be self-righteous about racism so long as you, personally, are not a racist.

wow i didnt kno that chinese are untouchable in japan i did not see too many chinese people around but alot of viets perhaps that is cos i went to tokyos little vietnam i feel sorry for non-japanese in japan sometime they lead a hard life like me when i was boat pplz i initially thought chinese pplz are ok in japan they are even signed to avex trax & helloproject lyk alan N morning musume so i dont think the situation is as bad as u say otherwise why these big company sign on chinese i hope they will sign on some viets too cause i think viet girls can be pretty too. anyway that was off topic main point is racism is there in every homogenous country we cant stop it so please, threads lyk these will not help the situation.

Chinese are the #1 of foreigners in Japan and lead the crime rate. Vietnamese in Japan are very very small. Most don't even know much about Vietnamese to hate them. But actions have shown, especially in the past, that Japanese don't think much of Chinese.

But, prove you are Vietnamese (since you are boat pplz), write out the above 4 sentences in Vietnamese language then. The Viet members here will know if you're using a translator. Also, obviously you havent been to Japan, dont know why you keep trolling but heheh, I'll let my Viet friends deal with you.

Koreans outnumber the Chinese in Japan.

As for as Japanese racists is to be a factor, Koreans and Chinese's reputations are not that swell. But they are not exactly "untouchables" or "Black in America". =P

East Asians generally share the same phenotypes so it would be rather silly for blatant racism.

True but Koreans have lowest crime rates. Ask any Japanese who the troublesome immigrants are they will say Chinese. The only thing they dont like about Filipinos (other immigrants that have a large population) is they are dark, but that's all.

Also it Seems like youve been living inside America too long where if you look like something you are something. Everywhere else except backwards and mixed blood America, race is definied by root and importantly on face features, not by color. Chinese and Korean do not share the same root. Japanese always thought Chinese were inferior untouchables but thought Koreans shared the same root enough to be "reeducated." Everywhere even during Yuan and Qing dynasty, Chinese were bottom of the class and Manchus wanted to keep their race pure by avoiding mixing from the Chinese.

The Neo-Nazis of Mongolia: Swastikas Against China
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...?iid=digg_share

And like I said... The facial features (phenotype) of Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese are not that much different.

They (Japanese, Yuan, Qing) think Chinese are inferior, but yet they copied Chinese culture...?

The Mongols are a bunch of retarded nutcase, let them die alone and destitute. That article succinctly proved how stupid they actually are.

Compared to nordic and slavic maybe but without shadow of doubt, they are very different unless you are blind or just the typical antiracist. South qinese and filipinos aint all that much different compared to dravidian and nordic but still you see the distinction?



The Mongols copyed Qinese culture? Japanese may in fact borrow some stuff but so did qinese from Indians. How do qinese view indians?



wait til you hear the Uyoku in Japan or many Coreans in everyday life.

They are merely naive youth with a lack of understanding of Nazi ideologies.

Pray Lord Buddha, don't get all anthropological on me. I am a Vietnamese, but when I go to Chinese restaurants, the Chinese people think I look like Chinese. When I go to Japan, people think I am Japanese and even speak Japanese to me. Distinctions overlapped and it is probably difficult to correctly guess a person who look East Asian or "quasi" East Asian what his nationality really is. Plus psychological mentality really affect how you view other Asians in your home country. For example, I believe anyone who look "mongoloid" to be Vietnamese when in Vietnam, but actually some of them were Chinese and Korean. I only had known this after I heard they spoke their "foreign" language.

I never said the Mongols copied Chinese culture, I said the Yuan Dynasty did. The Qing and Yuan both assimilated to Chinese culture and their rulers regarded themselves as the legitimate rulers of China. They also felt that they were the denizens of the Central Kingdom and the rightful heir of its culture.

China has strongly influenced Japan with its writing system, architecture, culture, religion, philosophy, and law. While China only picked up a few things from India, the scope of which cannot be compare to that of Chinese influence in Japan. If you cannot realize this no brainer then you really need to get a reality check. The most prominent of these Indian imports is Buddhism but when it reached China, it had became integrated with the ideas of Confucianism, Taoism and other indigenous philosophical systems so that what was initially a foreign religion came to be a natural part of Chinese civilization, albeit with a unique character.

In other words, China obviously never became Indianized like Thailand and Myanmar did but the Japanese was sinicized to become a sinoxenic culture because they copied a lot of Chinese ideas.

Indian culture



Lemme tell you, I go to Viet restaurants and Chinese restaurants, Chinese never think I look Chinese or ever confused me with Chinese; Vietnamese never think I look Viet or ever confused me for Viet. Again not the same race.



Typical American mentality where race = looking like someone . Bjork looks Mongoloid doesn't make her Mongoloid. Albino black is white skinned doesn't make them Nordic. Okay lemme give you pics.

Have you ever seen any Chinese or Viet person that looks like the following:









now, ignore the skin color and just think of any chinese you seen that share the same facial features like these folks. or maybe your not an expert yet? You know, some people have a hard time telling black albinos from whites, just from ignorance.



Yuan didn't assimilate to Qinese culture and in fact put Qinese at the bottom of the racial caste. Manchus regarded Qinese as lower than them in racial hierarchy. So did Japanese. Now what makes you think that Manchus and Mongols regarded Chinese as equals during their reign?

Chinese never even considered Qing and Yuan dynasty as China, much less Mongols and Manchus, as Chinese slogan: "Defeat the Manchu, restore Han China."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lih589iMQQ



In the past, but the West has influenced the East a whole lot more these days.



Japan did pick up a few things in the past, who else didn't. History has still shown that Japanese do not regard them as their equals. And this "East Asian" distinction is mere geography, nothing more not less.

Nice first poster. Impressively but not suprising, your post is so ridiculous that I don't even have to reply. Go back to celebrating your Altaic roots.

The only thing you proved on those pictures is how ugly some people can be. Perhaps, this is why Koreans get eye surgery to remove their "Altaic" features.

Personally I'm not too big on racial purity. Just trying to make a point against some ignorant posters here (read your PM). Thats all.

The only one that is truly ignorant here is you. Perhaps this is why your accounts never really actually last.



Does she look "Altaic" to you?

Well that doesn't really matter much because I like seeing beautiful people for a change instead of Magaret Cho.

There is one thing the idol of Altaicism Margaret Cho have in common with these Chinese people is that they are all ugly with the slanted eyes and flat face.

Not saying that all Koreans and Chinese are this way.

Beautiful people are everywhere in every race, especially in your Viet girls thread. Qinese like to distinct themselves from Southeast Asians, so do Altaics that like to distinct themselves from Chinese and everyone else. It's the way of life. You know, this is the way it is: There are the Asian unity people here (of all ethnics) that dont really see much difference in Filipinos, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Viet, etc and want unified asians. Then there are the East Asian unity (usually Qinese) people here that want to unite Qinese, Japanese, Korean, and in some instance Vietnamese. Then there are Altaic unity people that want to unite Korea, Mongolia, Japan. Then there are Central Asian unity people here that want to unite Mngolia, Kazakhstan, etc.

This is why nationalism to me is kinda dumb. You get more exclusive on each level so where does it stop? Yes Korean and Qinese are different race but who cares? Its how you make of it.



Beautiful people are everywhere in every race. And they dont look anything like Korean or Altaic to me. Clint eastwood has "squinty eyes" that doesnt make him Qinese does it?

oh great. niggas on AF talk'in bout anthropology n sheet.

Altaicized Chinese

Yea but does he also possess the flat-roundish face, the specific epicanthical fold of the same size, high cheekbones like mountains, flat and wide noses, and the jaws and mouth that resemble Margaret's? I think not my Altay.

And besides, I never said they were specifically Altaics. I simply implied that Cho have eyes and a flat face like them.

By the way for your information, that girl above with the blue contact lenses in her eyeballs is in fact and none other than: KOREAN.

It's amazing what plastic surgery and little makeup can do. See? Why can't you post pictures of people like that more often.

"The Vietnamese Chinese villagers said that despite their efforts to assimilate -- the younger generations speak Chinese dialects rather than Vietnamese -- discrimination has been a big part of their lives"

This is racism to the highest degree.

We all know Manchus mixed heavily with Qinese these days. You even got some now that look SEA:



The Manchu:





Okay then, SEAs have similar features with Qinese than Clint, yet Qinese make racial distinctions, so?



You may see that, but they look like a totally different race than Cho.


So? Whats you're point?
Do they look Qinese?



nope

That is just plain rubbish. The distinction are often blurred and likely to be overlapped. The Shatuo Turks, Khitans, Jurchens, Mongols, Manchus, as well as all sort of "miscellaneous Altaic" tribes have made their presence in China and contributed their genetics to the Han Chinese's gene pool. Don't even get me started about the genetic makeup of the Vietnamese people because whatever it may be, it is sure not uniquely different from anybody else. There are no pure nor distinct race from your perspective of Altaicism or whatever the hell it is you are advocating. In other words, these groups have more similaries than differences due to miscengenation so there that completely crush your theory of Altaics people.

Exactly. You should know by now why the Tibetans and Uighurs want independence if you havent already.

Good for you for announcing that publicly. Now if you would just carry on with your political activism instead of lecturing anthropology.

P.S. Koreans are not Altaics.

Dont know why you want to make an argument with me just showing your contempt for me to actually call out the distinctiveness of the identities of different ethnics, but okay, I'll play along.

Korean blood only consists of about 20% southern DNA and 80% Northern. The Northern root is from North Asian groups like Mongolians, Tungus, Siberians, etc. Whatever your problem with me calling out the distinctiveness is just your problem, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Our favorite Korean, but why doesn't he look Altaic?

Actually, I am a big supporter of the Tibetan Youth Congress and East Turkestan movement.

The problem with you is that your evidence are based on their biased observation and pointless lipservice. And your "alternative" accounts doesn't seem to provide you with much credential either other than the reason of which you are a useless aggravator.

Like seriously, how many accounts have you created "to let the world hear your point of view" already???

Shyn, I dont get why your so pisst when we draw out distinctions. Do Thai get pissed when Qinese say they look different and are different? Not really, because they know they're generally different. Same with Koreans and Qinese.

Imperial Japan attempted to do to Taiwan what it attempted to do to Korea, so it was mostly a matter of political expediency, rather than race. China did not submit to Japanese rule like Korea and Taiwan did; consequently, there was war, and during war, the opponent is dehumanized. Regardless, Japan knew very well that it didn't have the same claims over China that it did over Korea. You might want to ask some of the Koreans on Korean Chat why the Japanese insisted on common roots between Koreans and Japanese during the colonial era, but that after the war, when Koreans reversed the historical revisionism to claim that the Japanese nobility was actually descended from Koreans, they started denying it all over the place.

As for the Yuan and Qing, there is some evidence that the Mongols who conquered China were actually Caucasoids (red hair, green eyes, etc.), but disregarding that, the Mongols have always been a diverse Eurasian people not so very similar to other East Asians. I would not say that Koreans and Japanese are part of the same race as Mongols, not based on the genetic studies I've seen, anyhow. On the other hand, Manchus are somewhat similar to Koreans, but treated the actual Koreans like vassals. Moreover, the Manchu Banners were not only Manchu, but also Mongol and Han. They constituted a privileged military caste in China not so different than the Mughals in India, and made their decisions to segregate on primarily political grounds. The Manchus feared, in particular, that if they intermarried with Han, their privileges and nomadic martial culture would be eroded, as those of their predecessors (the Jin and the Liao) were. This was a practical decision that was later practically reversed (by the imperial family), as political necessities dictated. Ethnic sovereignty was important to Manchu political dominance and therefore they maintained their distinctiveness. When it became no longer so important, and indeed harmful, they abandoned it and intermarried at will.

This is not the same, I think, as the European racial purity view - which is that you should never intermarry under any circumstance because it dilutes the race and leads to genetic degeneration.

Well of course it was harmful, the Manchus didn't want to repeat the same mistakes as the disastrous Yuan did when it collapsed. Maybe this is why the Qing lasted like 200 years more than the Yuan. But of course they did have experience at ruling China's proper from their ancestor, the Jin/Jurchen.

However ironically enough, they have become completely sinicized (just as some of their elders worst fear) in a tradeoff for peace and prosperity. For good or for bad, we can all agreed on that the Qing was an effective government during its good years because of they way they represent themselves quite ingenious over an area as vast as China. In fact, the Qing empire appeared so orderly and prosperous in the 18th century that the French philosopher Voltaire praised the Chinese for having the most effectively organized government that the world had ever seen. European thinkers admired the powerful and learned Qing rulers as “enlightened despots,” and advised their own kings to copy Chinese methods of government.