Ever since Obama came to power, he has either ignored, insulted or hurt India.

1. He called various heads of state after coming to power including countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt but didn't call India.

2. He has classified the nuclear deal as a one-off agreement instead of the comprehensive energy and technological partnership it was meant to be when it was signed. He has said that he will decide on tech transfers to India on a case by case basis completely undermining the original agreement.

3. He has asked India to sign the NPT as a non-nuclear power again ignoring the nuclear deal.

4. He has completely re-engaged China and called it the most important relationship going against their promise of a equal relationship with India.

5. He has gone back to supporting Pakistan, offering them billions of dollars in aid and ignoring the fact that Pak is still to do anything about the Mumbai attacks and their cross-border terrorism in India.

6. He is now pushing India for talks on Kashmir completely ignoring that Pak is yet to do anything on the cross-border terrorism. He wants that so that Pak can dedicate resources to attacking the Taliban. Terrorists attacking the US in Afghanistan are bad. So are the terrorists attacking India good?

7. He has gone against outsourcing and worker visas specifically commenting about India and Indians in several speeches. He said that he wants to create jobs in Buffalo not Bangalore (specifically calling out a city in another country without bothering about sensitivities). The US's main problem is their housing market bubble and the credit crunch. It has been further worsened due to a consumption culture built on cheap chinese goods but no comments on that.

All in all, Obama is bad for India.

As the President of the United States, shouldn't he give precident to his own country over India? You make it seem like he should work for India's best interests. He wasn't elected to help India economically. Anyway India doesn't have the world stage power of China, Saudi Arabia, Israel : yet. When it does they will be able to influence things to its favor.

I agree with you over giving precendence to his own country and also the inlfuence on world affairs. If you see the overall list of items mentioned by me (incl. going back on the nuclear deal commitments) that is showing a pattern.

Obama disappoints Indians:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KG22Df01.html

Nice article. It paints the rather sober picture of a bilateral relationship in which India is in love with the US, but where that love has yet to be consummated. As with these relationships in general, the dependent party may find itself with a cold hand, as the other party takes for granted what it has and pursues what it doesn't. I think that India needs to give its partner a pinch on the cheek, lest he makes off with the wealthy dragon girl looking to get ahead. If I may make a non-PC generalization, it seems that India is too accustomed to playing the submissive role in its relationship with the West to realize that it's in the nature of the West to pursue what it doesn't have.

Your choice of words makes you sound like a pornographer. Zip up your pants.

India is in love with India. China is in love with China. Obama is in love with himself. America is preparing for a figurative civil war.

The national interests of America and India are generally consistent. However, America is a faithless ally because American domestic politics will always trump American national security interests. It's in our nature to destroy ourselves. Moreover, the hated Obama is so clueless that he discounts India's importance while allowing himself to be taken in by Pakistani perfidy.

India and China will never be allies unless they face a common danger. I see no such common danger. Their interests are generally inconsistent.

Your reference to the "dragon girl" makes you sound like an asiaphile. I'll overlook that. You seem pretty smart.

Actually, I merely extended the metaphor I found in your article. It's an interesting and refreshing way to talk about geopolitics, and not altogether inappropriate, since the relationships between nations ultimately boil down to the relationships between humans.

As for my choice of characterizations:

India & China as girls - same gender -> friends at best, rivals at worst, rarely lovers
India in love with the US - same point made in the article, and who says love is not selfish?
Cold hand - the US ignoring India's geopolitical ambitions to be its most significant ally in South Asia
Pinch on the cheek - India needs to make the US realize how important it (she) is
Wealthy dragon girl - fits with the theme! Besides, I'm afforded one exception for dramatic effect, and China is wealthy - part of the reason it (she) is so attractive to a cash-strapped US
Submissive role - again from the article, which suggests that India tried its best to align itself with US interests, in hopes of scoring a geopolitical alliance

You're interesting. Let's examine the metaphors.

India and China can be peaceful competitors at best, dangerous rivals at worst. Even if their territorial disputes are resolved, there is the matter of the "string of pearls." China needs to be able to project power in order to assure its vital trade routes across the Indian Ocean. This power will be projected in several ways, but primarily through the establishment of naval facilities and bases from the Arabian Sea across the Indian Ocean through the Andaman Sea to the Straits of Malacca and the South China Sea.

If, as and when this occurs China will have effectively encircled India in the same way China accuses the US of encircling China. Don't you just love the hypocrisy? What would you expect any aspiring great power, e.g., India, to do?

America is not perceived as a threat by the Indians. In fact, America could be very useful to India, except for one thing. America cannot be trusted.

India can be as nice to America as it wants. However, it won't matter. America is absorbed with itself. America stands on the precipice of a great internal struggle that will be waged over the course of the next generation. America must withdraw from the world for the time being.

But that doesn't mean we won't sew dragon's teeth as other powers struggle to fill the vacuum. The next generation may be very bloody.

China will never live up to its potential as long as the Chinese people are not free. However, in view of the jingoism of the Han it is not in the interest of the international community that the Chinese people be free.

My opinions evolve as time passes and new information is acquired. As a snapshot in time the above paragraphs reflect my current views in summary form.

he signed a defence pact with India a few days ago..... yea hes totally against India

This agreement allows the American defense industry to profit by arming India to the teeth. It's just business.

What use are friends if they can't help you secure your vital trade routes? Interests can be compromised in favor of other interests. This is why friendship between India and China is possible - India can help China secure its trade routes in favor of Chinese concessions elsewhere. However, friendship is not likely in the short-term, not while India is trying to align its interests with the US through being a part of the US's containment strategy. But that may change.



The same is true of Western Europe, arguably. Thunder rumbles in the distance. A storm is brewing.



Perhaps. I'm hoping nukes will keep the great powers from going overboard, but the danger of a major bloodbath is there.



China is unlikely to live up to its "potential" either way, since that "potential" is based on Western models that are not necessarily applicable to the Chinese. This is not to say that freedom wouldn't be a welcome change.

B of A,

China and India can indeed be friends if India decides to play the subservient role Canada serves in its relationship with America. What significant concessions does China have to offer India which would induce India to become China's junior partner?

Russia and China are friendly today for the sole reason that both perceive America as a threat. As soon as they cease viewing America as a mutual threat their friendship will end.

Nuclear weapons and ballistic missile technology proliferation into the hands of a couple of dozen nations, as well as non-state actors, over the next fifty years guarantees the use of nuclear weapons. For example, the withdrawal of the US Navy's Fifth Fleet from the Persian Gulf will produce a power vacuum. There will be a scramble to fill the void. The interests of Iran, Europe, China and others are not necessarily consistent. This will produce conflict. The Saudis will have no choice but to go nuclear. The Gulf States will remember the passing of Pax Americana with regret. In the mean time Americans will be engaged in a figurative civil war.

China has embraced the Western economic model hook, line and sinker. China has embraced Leninism hook, line and sinker. China is in many ways a success, but to that extent it has ceased to be Chinese.

The only reason Saudi would want nuke is because Iran wants nuked, Iran wants nuke because Israel has nuke, Israel has nuke because United States allows it to have nuke. So Pax Americana was the cause of current conflicts. Without it, peace will be more likely.




you are full of $hit. If adopting some aspects of western economic model and Leninism means China is no longer chinese, then every asian country has stopped being an asian country.

yeah, I know Obama have an agenda against countries take jobs away from US. India and China. But he knows US needs China to continue to buy treasury to fund its Stimulus plan therefore he can't hit out the banker openly.
India has little to offer therefore, Obama starts to single out India openly.

Economic cooperation. Mutual non-aggression and non-intervention. It's true that if India shoot adopt China's manufacturing-oriented development style, the two will be direct competitors. But if America falls into crisis and Europe follows, this style of development will become obsolete, as it is fundamentally based on exporting to rich Western consumers. In that case, India and China will have common economic assets in the form of their giant markets. They could sustain each other, potentially, in the absence of strong Western markets, and cooperate to keep the global resource trade going, which they both depend on.



Maybe, but a nuclear war between the great powers? I would hope that the world isn't that suicidal.



Apples seldom fall far from the tree. This is not the first time China has adopted foreign ideas, practices, and technologies, and yet remained Chinese. True, the modern revolution is more game-changing than just about all of previous history, but can it transform cultures and peoples into mirror equivalents? The potential of a country cannot be derived only from looking at their political and economic systems. Culture, history, geography, mentality, demography, etc. all matter, and I have not yet seen a very compelling prediction of China's potential that takes into account all these things.

Hi Noob,

How do you know Iran wants nuclear weapons?

You would only say that I'm full of $hit if my words have had an emotional impact on you. Good.

Oh really ? If it is "money" the reason USA is arming India then why not arm China, Iran, N. Korea, and the rest of the world ?

We all know "Money" is not the sole reason why Uncle SAM is arming India.....!!!

The recent Indo-American agreement eliminated the last vestiges of American weapons sales sanctions against India. Thus, the agreement opened the way for US defense industry sales to India.

The US has existing weapons sales sanctions against China, Iran and NK. Thus, under American law such sales cannot be made.

America sells weapons to anyone not perceived to be a threat of one type or another. How's the weather in New Jersey?

The US media is always saying that Iran wants nuclear weapons. The emotional impact is that I think what you said was retarded because you do not understand western economic model or Leninism.

So your argument that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons is based on US media. My, how authoritative.

If you were confident about your position you wouldn't feel compelled to call me names.

All the information you have is from American media. Do you have any information that suggest the contrary? If not, then you have no argument. You said you do not trust American edia, yet you bought into the whole freedom & democracy bull$hit.
Did I call you name? no. i said your argument is retarded.

Oh really ? Then why is the USA not offering the same deal (Civilian Nuclear Technology) to Pakistan when Pakistan is helping Americans fight "Terrorism" ???




Now the USA is even making up stores about Burma "wanting" to acquire Nukes. LOL.

Any country that Uncle SAM does not like will be taken care of with stupid excuses like "they want to get WMD" and Iraq is a good example.

Is Myanmar going nuclear?
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9...=1&catnum=0

Fears of a nuclear Burma
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/thailan...s-nuclear-burma

Are you a teenager?




Pakistan=A. Q. Khan nuclear proliferation network. Do I have to say more Mr. New Jersey?

Fear of Myanmar? It's the fault of the hated Obama. Don't you just hate Obama?

Of course any country that is on United States' hit list would want nukes. Iran, North Korea and Iraq all were on US' hit list.

Do you think Iran and North Korea have anything to fear from Obama? Yeah, I know. It's a tough question.

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Just because Obama isn't openly calling for attack against Iran doesn't mean that he isn't doing anything against Iran. There are rumour that CIA is engineering a color revolution in Iran, like they did in Eastern European countries.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/1...ution-for-iran/

It follows the exact same formula as the orange revolution, rose revolution, tuip revolution, all caused by one canadiate declaring that the election is rigged, then his supporters riot.

http://politicalleft.blog-city.com/iran_an..._revolution.htm

"The claim is made that Ahmadinejad stole the election, because the outcome was declared too soon after the polls closed for all the votes to have been counted.

However, Mousavi declared his victory several hours before the polls closed. This is classic CIA destabilization designed to discredit a contrary outcome. It forces an early declaration of the vote.

The longer the time interval between the preemptive declaration of victory and the release of the vote tally, the longer Mousavi has to create the impression that the authorities are using the time to fix the vote. It is amazing that people don’t see through this trick."

I think we can all agree that Obama is a really bad guy.

lol why do you hate obama so much?

Conventional corrupt politician masquerading as the son of god. AF is loaded with formerly vocal Obama supporters who are afraid to get their noses rubbed in doggy doo now that the son of god is screwing up.

Baal hates Obama because he fears the threat possessed by Black men from the waist below. LOL

Pakistan is america's rentboy in the subcontinent, useful to punish potential rivals like India. "Nuke deal" is a Control mechanism meant to cap and rollback India's nuclear deterrent and enmesh it it a maze of American inspections. Thanks to the neocolonial and anti-indian stooges in the ruling UPA (Manmohan, Sonia), India has willingly signed on all the dotted lines advanced by the Americans.

Obama is just furthering the agenda against India started by Bush. Actually there is no foreign policy difference between American Liberals and Conservatives. The Liberals hate india just as much as the conservative missionaries. india is just a benighted heathen land to these whites, meant for subjugation. Liberals do with a smile and with orientalist euphemisms and conservatives don't hide their agenda.

What page you on?

The USA is offering Nuke Deal to India is because Uncle SAM wants India to destroy China and put all East Asian Nations under Hindu control.

Wrong, Nuke deal is to domesticate a completely independent potential power center (the last remaining heathen bastion aka India). Look up Brahma Chellaney's site on this deal. China was domesticated quite a while back; Mao was a Yale Divinity school graduate in China and he destoryed the native culture in Cultural Revolution. Nehru was more mild version of same deracinating phenomenon in India, where the native sepoy/gunga din/proxy/brown sahib is given power over the natives to prevent 'true' native resurgence. Our task is to break the neocolonial fetters and show these neocolonial sepoys in power their demise. Do not fall for shadow boxing and fake outrage dramas put up by the sepoys (Maos and Nehrus). Arundhati and Romila swear by anti-westernism but they are actually the proxies for western neocolonialism; that is why they are given umpteen western awards like booker prize and Kluge chair by the westerners.

^Proof that you can catch diseases from public toilet seats.

Are you chinese, joker? Laugh on while the Western White Christians convert "your people" by the millions and the CCP pretends to be the "guardian" and the "protector" while looking away. Having a state supported church is just a convenient ruse. What 500 years of Christian (American, british, portuguese, Dutch, the entire gamut) missionaries could not accomplish in China was accomplished By Mao in the Cultural Revolution: alienation from the native chinese thought forms. You are just westerners in mind and the sorry part is you don't even realize.

Do you know who is Brahma Chellaney and what is his view of the nuke deal? What is this G2? Why Mao made a joke to Nixon about sending millions of Chinese women to America? Does it sound like great leader? The relationship went back further; it only surfaced for the world to see in the Mao-Nixon meeting. You think Chinese American economic relationship is an adversarial relationship that just dropped out of the sky without input from the Americans? HAhAHAAAA.

Communism is a western thought form, a secularized Christianity aimed against the heathen and couched in "scientific" language. It has nothing to do with best economic system, joker. Economics is just the mechanism by which subordination to western monotheism is achieved.



The same applies to China.

Why are umpteen chinese girls being exported to the "generous" whites for adoption scam. You think CCP doesn't collude? haha. carry on, you will be "praising the lord" in not too distant future.

Do you know that same Western operatives (Ian Martin) who birthed the East timor western colony were supporting the Marxists in Nepal who overthrew the native rulers recently. Same happened in China in 45. That was the colonial period when nothing happened without white man's approval. They were victors in China against the japanese. It is just that Sun yatsen was supported by one western faction, and mao was supported by another western faction (not the russians). Sun yatsen was a christian(!!) and he was allied with the communists at one time. It was just a case of one faction of western operatives winning out over another one, and both were donning the nationalist mantle!!! Nehru also donned the nationalist mantle.

Do you know that Communism was exported to the East during western europe's colonial period. Have you ever heard of wallstreet financing Bolsheviks? It is not fantasy but reality.



Do you think really China was any different. The only difference is that we are aware of the neocolonial sepoys ruling us and you are blissfully not.

Like I said, carry on. you will be "praising the lord" very soon.

I think white people are very nice. I think white people can be trusted. White people have always been very nice to me. White people are friends. I like white people. White people have nice toilet habits. There are many things to be learned from white people. White people invented the flush toilet and the toaster. White people gave us Jesus. What's not to like.

Sorry, I cannot decipher your toilet humor. You may have better luck with your white colonizer friends who shoved missionaries down your throat and got you hooked on opium while "saving" you. If this is level of discourse among the Chinese, then just hand over next millenium to the soul harvesters, next generation of Xavier, Clive, Perry, and Rhodes. Go ask Russians what is communism, they are in no delusion. They know that it is foisted onto Eastern civilizations to wreck the society and to blame the native, indigenous social structures for the colonizer's crimes. Ha, even great Mao was a pupil of the Christian Sun Yatsen.

^ @Yuyutsu your theories get too far fetched sometimes.


Manmohan Singh is a Sikh and his boss Sonia Gandhi is a Roman Catholic of Italian origin. And the Congress party to which both of them belong to is an ideological and political opponent of right-wing Hindu nationalists. So that makes your post incorrect.

Toilet humor isn't the only thing you can't decipher. You remind me of the great philosopher Sum Dum Guy.

I said "Hindu" which refers to all of India and not a few individuals.





I trust white women

MMS is a Macaulayite.

Vaman,

Recent Maoist revolution in Nepal was western sponsored "color revolution" in same fashion as the color revolutions which dot the former USSR territories. Maosit-Western/Christian nexus is well characterized now by aouthors like Ashok Sahu, Sandhya Jain, Radha Rajan, and others. We even saw it operating in Kandhamal where the Marxists acted as the hitmen of the Missionaries in eliminating the hindu activists (the Indian version of Boxers). Communism in China also started out as the same. China was not a special case. Remember Americans had the run of the Chinese theatre after 1945. The purpose of Communism is de-indigenization. It is a long-term project.



Nuke deal is a FMCT by backdoor. Look at Chellaney's articles.

Hey joker, are you enjoying 100 million soul harvesters in your ancient china. Not worried, I see. it is an effect of communism which is just masked Christianity. Instead these so-called Chinese "nationalists" are worried stiff about some innocuous native tradition like Falun Gong and harmless Buddhist Dalai Lama, while the soul harvesters are busy "planting" churches and harvesting the chinese souls by hundred million!!

Why the Blinders? Only because Communism is an ideological entity and an extreme variant of Secularism. Secularism has been characterized (by Balagangadhara) as the mask which allows Christian categories to expand (to "make sense") in a targeted heathen culture, eventually paving the way for christianization and subservience to the west.

Do you need reminder of Western Christian record in Native Americas?

What did Sun Tzu say about knowing yourself and knowing your enemy?

Is it true that most women become lesbians after sleeping with you?

You're so earnest. I know what you're saying. So what? You're here to prove extraneous facts. Focus. This thread is about trashing Obama. Get with the program.

Just the opposite. After having sex with me they become Women Rapist(s). They hunt down any men(excluding Leo Lee) they can possibly find.

That's what we suspected. Thanks for removing all doubt.