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darkupheaval
Japan is unrivaled in all technology sectors for key inventions in 2006 and 2007 according to the latest trilateral patent analysis. This means that Japan has a very capable workforce for innovation; furthermore, it suggests that Japan has a group of elite intellectuals rivaling any other group. Japan's extraordinary creativity and capabilities for innovation is supported by this evidence, which is consistent with scholastic aptitudes and intelligence quotient of the Japanese students. Moreover, Japan's geographical situation incites the government to invest heavily in technology development in contrast to basic science for greater export revenues, although there is a gradual effort to detach from that investment strategy for the prospect of a spill-over effect. Contrarily to the U.S., Japan invests mainly in the private sector, which ties innovation activities to commercial interests; for instance, investment in robotics are made as it has a foreseeable market in the future. Despite, Japan's focus on technology development, it has produced a scientific elite that includes Nobel laureates. There is no physiological factor that was found to cause high creativity. We can speculate that a genetic predisposition to high intelligence predisposes also for high creativity.
darkupheaval
QUOTE
'The Japanese are not creative, they just copy….' This prejudice often crops up when you ask Western people about the creativity of the Japanese. However, Japanese industry is at the leading edge in many industrial sectors and one cannot adhere to this prejudice any longer. Japanese creativity is interesting from two points of view. First, Japanese industry is very competitive and the success cannot be explained by a single factor, like low wages or production costs. Secondly, there is a big difference between Japanese and western civilization and a comparison shows cultural influences on creativity in understanding and practice. However, the cultural specialities which are labelled as Japanese are mostly characteristic of other East Asian cultures as well.
manko
QUOTE(darkupheaval)
'The Japanese are not creative, they just copy….' This prejudice often crops up when you ask Western people about the creativity of the Japanese. However, Japanese industry is at the leading edge in many industrial sectors and one cannot adhere to this prejudice any longer. Japanese creativity is interesting from two points of view. First, Japanese industry is very competitive and the success cannot be explained by a single factor, like low wages or production costs. Secondly, there is a big difference between Japanese and western civilization and a comparison shows cultural influences on creativity in understanding and practice. However, the cultural specialities which are labelled as Japanese are mostly characteristic of other East Asian cultures as well.

But odds are if we're talking modern day, these 'cultural specialties' were idealize by other East Asian cultures because of Japanese advancement.
hookergege
Japan is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FvQ_pp1VFI...re=channel_page
Avitech
wtf
MyNameIsVu
QUOTE (darkupheaval @ May 8 2009, 07:02 PM) *
Japan is unrivaled in all technology sectors for key inventions in 2006 and 2007 according to the latest trilateral patent analysis. This means that Japan has a very capable workforce for innovation; furthermore, it suggests that Japan has a group of elite intellectuals rivaling any other group. Japan's extraordinary creativity and capabilities for innovation is supported by this evidence, which is consistent with scholastic aptitudes and intelligence quotient of the Japanese students. Moreover, Japan's geographical situation incites the government to invest heavily in technology development in contrast to basic science for greater export revenues, although there is a gradual effort to detach from that investment strategy for the prospect of a spill-over effect. Contrarily to the U.S., Japan invests mainly in the private sector, which ties innovation activities to commercial interests; for instance, investment in robotics are made as it has a foreseeable market in the future. Despite, Japan's focus on technology development, it has produced a scientific elite that includes Nobel laureates. There is no physiological factor that was found to cause high creativity. We can speculate that a genetic predisposition to high intelligence predisposes also for high creativity.


Don't know, have not live there. I like theirs consumer product. Here in America and the West in general, they have micro bugs, supercomputer, hollographic imaging, satilites tech, silent motor, as well as biotechnology that mimic facial characteristics, and relative top of the line indicators tech,... But yeah, the American and West suck, theirs not what I would call good people. They perhaps think they are smart, but man, they are stupid and greedy and lowlife. I hope some of them burn in hell where they rightfully belongs. Ha ha ha, did not know Asian are the sucker here, ha ha ha...ha oh wait I am Asian.
GreenWasabi
In terms of commercial, or patentable, technology, Japan is the clear leader and in all patentable technology fields as indicated by the most recent data on innovation. Despite contradictory claims found on the Internet, the statement is true—those contradictory claims stem from pure ignorance, or lack of knowledge and understanding about the statistics they use to base those claims, or perhaps they are simply outdated. Per capita, both Japan and South Korea have the most patents by far than any countries. Japan is the world leader or among the best in certain science fields such as material science. Moreover, instead of the absolutist perspective of Westerners, one should adopt a more relativist perspective when interpreting those statistics. Japanese R&D investment practices differs from that of the U.S., it allocates its R&D funds in the private sector mainly—which means that investment priorities are affected by profitability. The U.S. invest more in the public sector than Japan. Moreover, Japan invest far less in basic sciences than the U.S., which the number of scientists in those respective countries suggests. The U.S. also practices patent inflation and a lot more so than Japan. For instance, the U.S. pushed for patent inflation in order to include software innovations—this can be seen as a political move in order to protect U.S. interests. Being the first mover, it greatly benefited them as they were the first to mobilize their local industry. One must know when analyzing patent statistics, that the number of patent application is less reliable than the number of patent granted. Also, international patent, contrarily to national patent, only has a procedural distinction and is not indicative of innovation. The best reliable data for important patentable innovation is the trilateral patent data. Moreover, when a group has a higher average IQ, it means it has a lot more geniuses than the group it surpasses given an equal, higher and even lower standard deviation depending on the value. Nothing suggests that East Asians have a lower standard deviation; however, we can rule out immediately any contradictory claim to the one that states that the difference is all but negligible—East Asians may even have a higher standard deviation considering biological and psychometric data we have until now. East Asians have the highest IQ out of all ethnicities and race, Ashkenazi Jews have a verbal IQ of 107.5, which corresponds roughly to an IQ of 103, they also have a higher gC than gF contrarily to East Asians.

Interesting links:

http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/02-14-04/...ion.cgi.24.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20070518/j...tion-leader.htm
Forummember
How many patents a country claims doesnt say everything about that country's creativity.

Just want to know: What are best inventions made by Japan?

I mean inventions that have (or had) a big influeance on every day life of all people like: internet, jet engine, a car, bow and arrow, sth like that.
manko
QUOTE (Forummember @ Jul 28 2009, 08:33 AM) *
How many patents a country claims doesnt say everything about that country's creativity.

Just want to know: What are best inventions made by Japan?

I mean inventions that have (or had) a big influeance on every day life of all people like: internet, jet engine, a car, bow and arrow, sth like that.


Inventions are good, but perfection are of great importance to society as well.
Zaw-Gyi
ipod
MasterChuef
East Asians have higher IQ than any other racial or ethnic group.
MasterChuef
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8fKj9V_9EA

White people are just a bunch of criminals.
Forummember
QUOTE (manko @ Jul 28 2009, 01:38 PM) *
Inventions are good, but perfection are of great importance to society as well.


That's true, but i think that it takes more creativity to invent something new then perfecting something.
colazero101
banned
BlueBlack
QUOTE (darkupheaval @ May 8 2009, 10:02 PM) *
Japan is unrivaled in all technology sectors for key inventions in 2006 and 2007 according to the latest trilateral patent analysis. This means that Japan has a very capable workforce for innovation; furthermore, it suggests that Japan has a group of elite intellectuals rivaling any other group. Japan's extraordinary creativity and capabilities for innovation is supported by this evidence, which is consistent with scholastic aptitudes and intelligence quotient of the Japanese students. Moreover, Japan's geographical situation incites the government to invest heavily in technology development in contrast to basic science for greater export revenues, although there is a gradual effort to detach from that investment strategy for the prospect of a spill-over effect. Contrarily to the U.S., Japan invests mainly in the private sector, which ties innovation activities to commercial interests; for instance, investment in robotics are made as it has a foreseeable market in the future. Despite, Japan's focus on technology development, it has produced a scientific elite that includes Nobel laureates. There is no physiological factor that was found to cause high creativity. We can speculate that a genetic predisposition to high intelligence predisposes also for high creativity.

So, what really came out of "creative Japan" lately?
BlueBlack
QUOTE (MasterChuef @ Jul 28 2009, 10:49 AM) *
East Asians have higher IQ than any other racial or ethnic group.



I don't believe any country has higher IQ than others- maybe a few points.
However, some country do study harder than others for sure.
How much of this "studying harder" improves IQ? A few points.

I know many Asians envy Japan and Korea, but if you see how much they study and work, I'm not sure if you'll still envy them. Typical high school students study from 7AM to midnight. Typical workers work 8AM to 10PM easily. The society is so competitive that you won't believe it.
Btw, they don't even have natural resources.

There is a funny story. As you may know, Japanese is known as hard workers to many westerners, and Korean is only people who think Japanese is lazy. LOL.

Many Japanese and Koreans die by what's known as a "sudden death" due to stress. The suicide rate is very high, probably #1 or 2.
All their fortune come with a heavy price.
It's not IQ that made them rich.

Are other Asian countries ready for the same?
kieshin
QUOTE (BlueBlack @ Sep 4 2009, 10:43 PM) *
So, what really came out of "creative Japan" lately?

and what's really came out of "creative USA" lately? oh no don't tell me you CREDITED all of thing came out of USA to whiteman?
kakabonga
counting patents is dumb, if you wanna see real innovation you should read science magazine's top 10 scientific breakthroughs.

http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2008/12...ghs-of-2008.ars
scarytroll
scientific breakthroughs is biased toward richer countries without inherent geographical disadvantages.
Jagger
QUOTE (Forummember @ Jul 28 2009, 01:33 PM) *
How many patents a country claims doesnt say everything about that country's creativity.

Just want to know: What are best inventions made by Japan?

I mean inventions that have (or had) a big influeance on every day life of all people like: internet, jet engine, a car, bow and arrow, sth like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_inventions
ThatWierdGuy
QUOTE (GreenWasabi @ Jul 23 2009, 10:05 PM) *
—East Asians may even have a higher standard deviation considering biological and psychometric data we have until now. East Asians have the highest IQ out of all ethnicities and race, Ashkenazi Jews have a verbal IQ of 107.5, which corresponds roughly to an IQ of 103, they also have a higher gC than gF contrarily to East Asians.

Interesting links:

http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/02-14-04/...ion.cgi.24.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20070518/j...tion-leader.htm


Your a liar Green Wasabi. Your own link says that the Ashkenazi have an IQ in the 107.5. (US Ashkenazi have IQs in at 112.5.) Your link also says nothing about Jew's fluid intelligence. (gF) In fact, it says clearly states that Jews have a quantitative reasoning of 109, and that is a good proxy for gf. You should use that superior intellect to actually read.

In addition, people forget that an IQ test, like a SAT test, is simply a test. While it is a good way to gauge someones skill in analyzing spatial, and verbal skill, it doesn't measure everything. Take for example people with bipolar. People with bipolar score higher on creativity tests, yet lower on IQ tests. Why is that? Obviously there is more to success than IQ. Any idiot can see that. http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/003110.html

Patents are also a poor proxy of creativity because patent laws vary from country to country, with the US (and the West in general) having some of the strictest patent laws in the planet. Plus, you can patent just about anything nowadays (even food recipes), hardly a good measure of creativity. This is why it is more important to measure what is being patented, as opposed to how much is patented. An Indian company had trouble bringing pills to the West due to complaints that the patent laws were too strict. http://www.pharmafocus.com/cda/focusH/1,21...-492876,00.html I will admit however, that Japan does impress me in its amount of creative innovation.

As a Jew myself, I am disturbed as the higher verbal IQ yet lower Spatial IQ as somehow meaning Jews don't excel in Math and science. (a rather unsubstantiated claim made by those who are filled with bitterness for Jews) They do excel in math and science, Jews use their verbal aptitude to exceed in both, as evident in the fact that Jews score higher on the Math SAT, and overrepresent in all the sciences and Nobel prize winners.



8.) Thirty percent of American Nobel prize winners in science and 25 percent of all American Nobel winners are Jewish.


So please, don't hate. No one is coming in here bashing Asians. http://www.koreaittimes.com/story/2979/rad...xpected-january

Part of the reason why there are fewer patents in Europe and US is because they are so expensive to maintain. (I'll go more into detail about that if asked) In Japan, patent costs are half that in the US, and in Europe they are 2 to 5 times more than the US. I am developing a software that I won't patent because it is too damn expensive. The loss in money is not worth the risk, since I can't test the idea. (we'll get more into that below)

In most countries, if an idea is different, it is patentable. Sega patented the arrow direction system in Crazy Taxi for crying out loud. There is a patent for a certain way to make buffalo wings. There are hundreds of video games each year that have original ideas, but no patents attached to them (far more original than Taxi's arrow) Why? The reason is because patents are expensive, and in the US and Europe, once an idea has been made public it can no longer be patented. Software designers aren't sure if their idea would be replicated, and since testing to the public means the idea is no longer patentable, they elect not to patent. The US has a system that deters people from obtaining patents for original ideas. Many, like me, feel the risk is not worth the reward. The risk of investing in the patent in Japan is less due to the fact that there is less damage to the owner if the property were not to sell. No wonder people file more patents there. http://books.google.com/books?id=Ve4GLlwQX...ive&f=false

In Europe, the cost of having a patent can run up to 100,000 euros. Tell me, how many here would risk investing in their idea for 100,000 dollars, without product and market response testing? I sure as hell wouldn't. If there was a patent for every new software idea I see, countries would have millions of patent grants. Actual patent grants are only a fraction of that, indicating that people are too scared to get a patent. The whole system is garbage.
KimYuShin
QUOTE (darkupheaval @ May 8 2009, 10:02 PM) *
Japan is unrivaled in all technology sectors for key inventions in 2006 and 2007 according to the latest trilateral patent analysis. This means that Japan has a very capable workforce for innovation; furthermore, it suggests that Japan has a group of elite intellectuals rivaling any other group. Japan's extraordinary creativity and capabilities for innovation is supported by this evidence, which is consistent with scholastic aptitudes and intelligence quotient of the Japanese students. Moreover, Japan's geographical situation incites the government to invest heavily in technology development in contrast to basic science for greater export revenues, although there is a gradual effort to detach from that investment strategy for the prospect of a spill-over effect. Contrarily to the U.S., Japan invests mainly in the private sector, which ties innovation activities to commercial interests; for instance, investment in robotics are made as it has a foreseeable market in the future. Despite, Japan's focus on technology development, it has produced a scientific elite that includes Nobel laureates. There is no physiological factor that was found to cause high creativity. We can speculate that a genetic predisposition to high intelligence predisposes also for high creativity.

i wouldnt question japans intuitiveness and creativity but when you say that they are unrivaled, why not consider their next door neighbors? china? taiwan? KOREA?!
i would say that one of the top innovative companies in japan is sony. they are directly rivaled by samsung in almost all aspects of technological advances. but samsung has yet to make a game console so the ps3 wins. but then we have the xbox360 (i forgot to mention america as a rival).
what say you?
@ Jagger
what are you talking about? how about sushi? judo? KA RA TE? ninjas? naruto? anime? female android? tentacle fetish? katana? tons of crap was invented by japan! and it is a very important part of many many people's lives. ps3? nintendo? mario? come one...
but i would have to argue that korea is a very great rival against japan (if we have not already surpassed the Japanese)...
ThatWierdGuy
QUOTE (KimYuShin @ Oct 5 2009, 07:39 PM) *
i wouldnt question japans intuitiveness and creativity but when you say that they are unrivaled, why not consider their next door neighbors? china? taiwan? KOREA?!
i would say that one of the top innovative companies in japan is sony. they are directly rivaled by samsung in almost all aspects of technological advances. but samsung has yet to make a game console so the ps3 wins. but then we have the xbox360 (i forgot to mention america as a rival).
what say you?
@ Jagger
what are you talking about? how about sushi? judo? KA RA TE? ninjas? naruto? anime? female android? tentacle fetish? katana? tons of crap was invented by japan! and it is a very important part of many many people's lives. ps3? nintendo? mario? come one...
but i would have to argue that korea is a very great rival against japan (if we have not already surpassed the Japanese)...



Umm, I see what you are saying but I want to correct some things.

The first tentacle rape was in Evil Dead in 1981, an American movie. Plus, it is a fictional idea, not a physical invention. I guess the definitions of inventions have changed over time.

Ninjas may actually come from China. (Historically they dressed as common peasants. The black garb did not historically exist outside of fiction)

Most historians say the Katana evolved from the Zhan Ma Dao. There is a two-handed Dao in a museum that looks almost exactly like a katana. Plus, the katana is an innovation not an invention. It is a sword.

Female Android? That idea has been floating around in Sci-Fi for 80 years. Metropolis anyone?

I wouldn't call anime an invention since animation has been around forever. If we are saying "invention" is an artistic style, modern anime owes a lot of its origins to Tezuka, who was influenced by Hollywood storyboards and Fleischer studios, and Disney. Plus, when did film media become inventions? Are we going to consider Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs an invention too? After all, its influence on animation, american and japanese included, is unparalleled.

The Ps3 is no more an invention than the 360 or a Ford Focus. (try getting anyone to say xbox is an invention, lol). Now the Atari is an invention, since it was one of the first.

The rest you listed I can say are Japanese inventions.
Gye
QUOTE (ThatWierdGuy @ Oct 6 2009, 02:56 AM) *
The first tentacle rape was in Evil Dead in 1981, an American movie.

Actually, you're off by over 150 years. Tentacle rape is still quite Japanese.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_...herman%27s_Wife
blackosama
QUOTE (ThatWierdGuy @ Oct 1 2009, 11:04 AM) *
As a Jew myself, I am disturbed as the higher verbal IQ yet lower Spatial IQ as somehow meaning Jews don't excel in Math and science. (a rather unsubstantiated claim made by those who are filled with bitterness for Jews) They do excel in math and science, Jews use their verbal aptitude to exceed in both, as evident in the fact that Jews score higher on the Math SAT, and overrepresent in all the sciences and Nobel prize winners.


Why would high verbal IQ and low spatial IQ mean don't excel in math and science? Most of science depends on high verbal IQ.
Been
Jews are no different from White people. They have the same skull type, rofl.
pugnose
QUOTE (Forummember @ Jul 28 2009, 07:33 AM) *
How many patents a country claims doesnt say everything about that country's creativity.

Just want to know: What are best inventions made by Japan?

I mean inventions that have (or had) a big influeance on every day life of all people like: internet, jet engine, a car, bow and arrow, sth like that.


japanese invented the compact disc - probably one of the most important and most used inventions in modern times. Think about how many cd's, dvds, videogames, and read-writable discs you have. Not to mention they also invented blue-ray
maxima
actually East Asians > Ashkenazi Jews.

Ashkenazi Jews IQ data is fu-king flawed, and we currently think their IQ is 103.75 while their verbal IQ is 107.5, probably mostly due to environment factors.
Forummember
QUOTE (pugnose @ Dec 8 2009, 11:02 PM) *
japanese invented the compact disc - probably one of the most important and most used inventions in modern times. Think about how many cd's, dvds, videogames, and read-writable discs you have. Not to mention they also invented blue-ray


Actually the compact disk is a Dutch invention made by Philips. Most of the development took place in the Netherlands, but together with some scientist from Sony.
banjopete
QUOTE (Forummember @ Dec 16 2009, 04:42 AM) *
Actually the compact disk is a Dutch invention made by Philips. Most of the development took place in the Netherlands, but together with some scientist from Sony.


It was developed by a joint team of engineers from both Sony and Phillips. The compact disc is a good example of why companies should work together to develop such product standards.
SuccerFan
QUOTE (maxima @ Dec 10 2009, 01:59 PM) *
Ashkenazi Jews IQ data is fu-king flawed

You don't seem to have much personal experience with Jewish people.

What they say about Jewish IQ is true, they are brilliant people.

Barret
QUOTE (SuccerFan @ Feb 21 2010, 01:15 PM) *
You don't seem to have much personal experience with Jewish people.

What they say about Jewish IQ is true, they are brilliant people.


...And you came to that conclusion based upon your personal experience? embarassedlaugh.gif



...Geez, what an idiot.
banjopete
QUOTE (Barret @ Feb 21 2010, 01:38 PM) *
...And you came to that conclusion based upon your personal experience? embarassedlaugh.gif



...Geez, what an idiot.


"Between 1901 and 2008, more than 750 Nobel Prizes were handed out. Of these, at least 163 are Jews."

Considering that they number relatively few, I'd say that is a very impressive performance. I mean just look at the Chemistry, Physics, and Economics awards. They dominate.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...ism/nobels.html
designware
According to many scientists, there is a link between working memory capacity and the ability to think creatively.

http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~d...tent=a787962535

http://www.era.lib.ed.ac.uk/bitstream/1842...issertation.pdf

Moreover, working memory capacity is closely related to g.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2485208/

East Asians not only have the highest IQ (around 106 versus and around 103.5 for Ashkenazi Jews), but they have the highest g among all racial and ethnic groups.

g is not only measurable in humans, but also in mice.

http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/23/16/6423

designware
For centuries China stood as a leading civilization, outpacing the rest of the world in the arts and sciences, but in the 19th and early 20th centuries, the country was beset by civil unrest, major famines, military defeats, and foreign occupation. After World War II, the Communists under MAO Zedong established an autocratic socialist system that, while ensuring China's sovereignty, imposed strict controls over everyday life and cost the lives of tens of millions of people. After 1978, MAO's successor DENG Xiaoping and other leaders focused on market-oriented economic development and by 2000 output had quadrupled. For much of the population, living standards have improved dramatically and the room for personal choice has expanded, yet political controls remain tight. China since the early 1990s has increased its global outreach and participation in international organizations.


https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...ok/geos/ch.html
dogHIV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUnPq-pDyeA

LOOK AT THAT LARGE FOREHEAD, IT IS THE LARGEST FOREHEAD I SAW IN MY LIFE. IF YOU DON'T CALL THAT SUPERIOR THEN WHAT IS? ROFL

HIS FOREHEAD IS AS LARGE AS THAT OF THREE AVERAGE ASHKENAZI JEWS' FOREHEADS LINED UP. embarassedlaugh.gif
Abovestood
Another problem with a number of the studies that have found that Jews have
higher verbal IQs than gentiles is that several of them are based on very small
sample sizes. For instance, Seligman (1990, p.130) writes that “Jewish verbal
superiority appears unmatched in any other ethnic group. An often-quoted 1970
study performed by the Ann Arbor Institute for Social Research shows Jewish
tenth-grade boys with an average verbal IQ equivalent of 112.8 (on the
Stanford-Binet metric) about three quarters of a standard deviation above the average
for non-Jewish white boys”. This is the Bachman (1970) study in which the
number of Jewish boys was 65. In the Herrnstein and Murray (1994) data set in
which Jews obtained a mean verbal IQ of 112.6, the sample size was 98 and was not
drawn to be nationally representative.
There is only one study of the
intelligence of American Jews in the last half century which appears to be
representative and had a reasonable sample size. This is Backman’s (1972) analysis of the
data in Project Talent, a nationwide American survey of the abilities of 18
year olds carried out in 1960. The study had sample sizes of 1,236 Jews and
1,051 white gentiles (in addition to 488 blacks and 150 Orientals). IQs for six
factors were calculated. The mean IQs of the Jews in relation to gentile white
means of 100 and standard deviations of 15 were as follows: verbal knowledge
(described as “a general factor, but primarily a measure of general
information” and identifiable with Carroll’s (1993) gc or verbal comprehension factor -
107.8; English language – 99.5; mathematics – 109.7; visual reasoning (“a
measure of reasoning with visual forms”) – 91.3; perceptual speed and accuracy –
102.2; memory (short term recall of verbal symbols) – 95.1.
These results are
consistent with the general consensus that Jews perform well on tests of
verbal ability (although not of English language) and mathematics and less well on
visual and spatial tests but the verbal IQ of 107.8 is towards the low end of
the estimates of Jewish verbal ability suggested by Herrnstein and Murray of
an IQ between 107.5 and 115.
However, the differences in the IQs for the
various abilities are so great as to raise doubts about the results.
Abovestood
Yeah, basically when we say Ashkenazi Jews have an IQ of 110 or whatever, they are simply misquoting the authors of the papers. Not only it's verbal IQ, which means that their overall IQ will be much lower--since performance IQ is not even taken into consideration, but they rely on unrepresentative and very small samples. Verbal IQ seems to be around 107, which would give them an overall IQ of 103.5, which is lower than the IQ of 105 estimated for East Asians.
Abovestood
Nobel Prize winning rate is a very poor cross-ethnic indicator of intelligence, not only it is biased against certain ethnic groups, but the whole decision process behind the grant of the prize is very controversial, and has a weak correlation to IQ. Ethnic distribution in interval groups of scientific citations for the most highly cited paper of each sample author would be more relevant, but even that is not a very good measure of intelligence as it highly depends on environmental factors.
Oyabun



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2T0qDDo1Dk
IjustWantToSay
hi
1st . patent isn't the synonymous word of invention

2nd . Japan has much more electronics companies than any country in the world and the electronics industry require registration of patents more than any other industry

3rd . having the patents doesn't necessarily mean neither you are the original inventor nor you first had the idea , Ideas/patents these days are goods that could be sold,bought and traded around the world, Multinational Corporations register their patents in the countries they are working in to preserve their rights


example ->
Korean Samsung is the world sole manufacturer of OLED displays and the advanced powerful Hummingbird multimedia processors, but neither of them is invented by Samsung (original oled inventors are American Kodak with General electric and the dutch philips / the hummingbird processor structure introduced by the American Intrinsity )

another example -> The current format, shape and other specifications of the CD are patents of Sony while the original inventors of the CD are dutch scientists .
same thing goes on the old video cassette players which introduced first by Ampex (American company) then adopted and developed by Sony, Toshiba, JVC and others (they all have patents, nevertheless non of them is the original inventor )
so, it seems very logical that japan has much more patents related to this device than America.


4th . almost every major Japanese/Korean company has many R&D centers and designing studios around the globe which employing staff from different ethnicities
so, not everything has a Japanese brand name printed on it is necessarily designed or invinted by a Japanese

examples :

Toyota Prado/land cruiser and the small hatchback Yaris are designed in France
Toyota Aurion designed by the Australian Nick Hogios
so many other examples have no time to type them


so, considering patents in a certain country as a creativity indicator of certain ethnic group is nothing but stupidity


@Green Wasabi
QUOTE
The U.S. also practices patent inflation and a lot more so than Japan.


I don't know about japan patent laws
but as ThatWierdGuy mentioned "US and Europe have the strictest patent law in the world" unlike Taiwan for example which really does practice patent inflation to counter any western claim of patent slap


http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/tai...hipments_to_us/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/13/ht...ntersues_apple/

@KimYuShin
QUOTE
ps3? nintendo? mario? come one...


these are not inventions
the 1st game console was the French Atari
even the ps3 isn't a fully blood japanese
american IBM makes the processor for it
and the grapics adapter which gives this wonderful three-dimensional graphics made by the american NVidida
even some of the greatest games ever such as Resistance, the star war, Harry Potter and EA-FIFA are coded in the US and canada .

mario and anime are just animated cartoons like tom&jerry and the simpsons
Walt disney is the first to present animated cartoon films


@MasterChuef
QUOTE
East Asians have higher IQ than any other racial or ethnic group.
White people are just a bunch of criminals.

Criminals eek.gif
you mean higher average IQ
look carefully on Richard lynn curve

you can note that
whites have a wider IQ range because these studies classify many persons other than Black and Asian as white i.e. turks, Arabs and some Hispanics can pass as whites,some of them lock really white
you can see also that in the (+120 IQ) whites have the upper hand obviously

and if you have time you may like to see this page of highest IQ records lists from the most reliable available sources
(by Tony Buzan and Catherine Cox)

another list with Case-by-case references

@abovestood
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Nobel Prize winning rate is a very poor cross-ethnic indicator of intelligence, not only it is biased against certain ethnic groups, but the whole decision process behind the grant of the prize is very controversial


blacks say the same thing if asked about the reason for the lack of Nobel Prizes laureates in their race embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif








sorry for bringing this old thread and for my bad english, but really some posts get on my nerve
crossbowmen
Europeans more creative than east asians?
NEVER, I dont know about the rest of asia but the Chinese have certainly proved its creative power being credited with 2/3 of the worlds innovations prior to the Renaissance era. The Europeans only became extremely creative after the Renaissance era which changed their way of thinking. However sadly we asians in general is still stuck with our confucist way of thinking such as being group oriented instead of individuals (which is what is needed to innovate icon_sad.gif ). This might also explain why asians are so nationalistic with japan being most as its the most group oriented.
Cellofreak89
To the comment that Japan and Korea work harder than other East Asians, I would say that Taiwan works just as hard, if not more, than Japan although I heard Korea was about the same. The high school students in Taiwan go to school from 7 am to 5 pm, then go to entrance exam prep classes from then until like 9-10 pm. But then they still do homework and study for daily quizzes and tests until like 2-3 am in the following morning. Also, the corporal punishment in Taiwan is pretty harsh, as students get beaten not only for bad behavior but also for scoring poorly on tests.

As for China, well, I heard from my friend who grew up there that Chinese high school students finish half of the math required by a college student in the US to get a math major.

Now for work hours, Taiwanese engineers have no life. Period. Like my uncle who is an engineer in Taiwan works from like 8 am to like 10-11 pm 7 days a week. I don't think Taiwan loses to Japan in work ethics, but I do admit that Japan is probably more creative than Taiwan in general because 1) they had a head start in Western values and the like (Taiwan did not have a democracy until like 1996 when Lee Teng Hui was elected President and martial law had just ended in like 1987ish) and 2) Japan had a head start on a better economy, thus giving people to be creative in a more free and economically sound atmosphere, whereas Taiwan had a long period of dictatorship where freedom of speech and thought was not tolerated and the economy in Taiwan didn't start to rise until like the late 1960s-early 1970s when the Taiwan Miracle had just begun.
OERC
QUOTE (IjustWantToSay @ Jul 29 2010, 12:38 PM) *
hi
1st . patent isn't the synonymous word of invention

2nd . Japan has much more electronics companies than any country in the world and the electronics industry require registration of patents more than any other industry

3rd . having the patents doesn't necessarily mean neither you are the original inventor nor you first had the idea , Ideas/patents these days are goods that could be sold,bought and traded around the world, Multinational Corporations register their patents in the countries they are working in to preserve their rights


example ->
Korean Samsung is the world sole manufacturer of OLED displays and the advanced powerful Hummingbird multimedia processors, but neither of them is invented by Samsung (original oled inventors are American Kodak with General electric and the dutch philips / the hummingbird processor structure introduced by the American Intrinsity )

another example -> The current format, shape and other specifications of the CD are patents of Sony while the original inventors of the CD are dutch scientists .
same thing goes on the old video cassette players which introduced first by Ampex (American company) then adopted and developed by Sony, Toshiba, JVC and others (they all have patents, nevertheless non of them is the original inventor )
so, it seems very logical that japan has much more patents related to this device than America.


4th . almost every major Japanese/Korean company has many R&D centers and designing studios around the globe which employing staff from different ethnicities
so, not everything has a Japanese brand name printed on it is necessarily designed or invinted by a Japanese

examples :

Toyota Prado/land cruiser and the small hatchback Yaris are designed in France
Toyota Aurion designed by the Australian Nick Hogios
so many other examples have no time to type them


so, considering patents in a certain country as a creativity indicator of certain ethnic group is nothing but stupidity


@Green Wasabi


I don't know about japan patent laws
but as ThatWierdGuy mentioned "US and Europe have the strictest patent law in the world" unlike Taiwan for example which really does practice patent inflation to counter any western claim of patent slap


http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/tai...hipments_to_us/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/13/ht...ntersues_apple/

@KimYuShin


these are not inventions
the 1st game console was the French Atari
even the ps3 isn't a fully blood japanese
american IBM makes the processor for it
and the grapics adapter which gives this wonderful three-dimensional graphics made by the american NVidida
even some of the greatest games ever such as Resistance, the star war, Harry Potter and EA-FIFA are coded in the US and canada .

mario and anime are just animated cartoons like tom&jerry and the simpsons
Walt disney is the first to present animated cartoon films


@MasterChuef

Criminals eek.gif
you mean higher average IQ
look carefully on Richard lynn curve

you can note that
whites have a wider IQ range because these studies classify many persons other than Black and Asian as white i.e. turks, Arabs and some Hispanics can pass as whites,some of them lock really white
you can see also that in the (+120 IQ) whites have the upper hand obviously

and if you have time you may like to see this page of highest IQ records lists from the most reliable available sources
(by Tony Buzan and Catherine Cox)

another list with Case-by-case references

@abovestood


blacks say the same thing if asked about the reason for the lack of Nobel Prizes laureates in their race embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif








sorry for bringing this old thread and for my bad english, but really some posts get on my nerve


If you look up the PISA statistics, you will notice that the SD for problem solving is far greater in Japan and South Korea than in the United States or any Western countries. Not only that, but the highest 10% outperform the highest 10% of the U.S. by around 50%, which is enormous. Problem solving ability correlates with creativity since both requires association-making abilities. Japan is the 2nd most technologically advanced country, South Korea is the 4th most technologically advanced country in terms of triadic patent family, which is the best and most broadly used innovation indicator in international comparative studies. Because of cultural differences, East Asia IQ statistics are undervalued and thus we must allow for even higher intelligence. The number of Nobel prize won is an extremely poor indicator of innovation since they are very dependent on the level of development among many other variables, perhaps thousands or more--any idiot would realize that unless he's a lowborn who wants to make himself feel better because he can't accept the fact that a large number of people are more intelligent, creative than him. The United States, because it has the largest R&D spending, the highest number of foreign-born postdoctorates (57% in 2001 were foreign born), has the world reserve currency, and very large amount of natural resources, has a considerable advantage in science and innovation, and yet Japan has a similar number of significant inventions and more than double per capita.
OERC
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