Vietnam is nothing more than a renegade province of China. Or should I refer to it as Annam 交趾? You were a part of the middle kingdom for 1000 years, you guys haven't fare too well since you've decided to go on your own. Just like Taiwan and Tibet have always been an historical part of China, but Vietnam was under Chinese rule much longer than those two. China will reclaim what rightfully belongs to her. Does the words Nan Yue ring a bell? Except you guys call it Yue Nan now. Its better to come home where you belong.

Your customs, traditions, even surnames like Nguyen, Tran, Ly, Vu, are all Chinese.

What are you, a moron?

Wiseman,


I am very disappointed in you for making these types of comments.

China doesn't think so. Vietnam doesn't think so.


This is nothing but a troll post, don't feed it.


TomAsia

Come back home? are you out of your mind? Empires invade neighboring countries so of course they have people that look like the people of the neighboring countries.

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Close and ban.

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We clearly have different culture, it only looks alike on the surface. If you scratch deep enough you will understand that we're not alike.For instance, before the arrival of the Chinese, Vietnamese women enjoyed a relatively high status in Lac society. Most of the early resistance against Chinese influence, they were led by women. According to Vietnamese tradition, the children of Lac Long Quan and Au Co were divided into two groups half went into the mountain their mother, and half went back to the sea with their father. This division of the children reflects a family system in which inheritance rights could be passed on through both meternal and paternal lines. Then came the arrival of the Chinese power on the South China sea.... Through out the ages Vietnamese people live under China's domination had to adopt Chinese culture to show that they were "civilized". That's just the way it is, VN was and is a small country in the peripheral a larger country thus it was influence by China. That is just the fact of life, thus there is nothing to be ashamed of.. Since VN was powerful we were only influenced but not totally controlled . True independence came after Ngo Quyen overthrow the pro-Han government and drown the Chinese invaders in the river Bach Dang in a navel battle. That to shows VN does not belong to China nor want to be a part of China. And our culture is not the same even though your ancestors wanted it that way. We might share similarities but we are not the same.


About the names, they can be translated into Chinese but they are not yours.


So..err dude, stop being greedy and go away.


So err thanks for the offer but no thanks. We can all be friends, though

Would China take SoCal back?

Only the cantonese who looks like SoCal want Vietnam back

Socal is a sexy man full of responsibility, honor, wit, and knowledge. I am sure every country would want a outstanding citizen such as Socal.

Socal is like Visa, accepted everywhere.

You lied, SoCal is like vietnam passport, only accepted in Vietnam

I didn't lie. It was a rhetorical statement, neither true or false. I've never said it was factual

Thank you, brother.

Your culture is Chinese culture. You Vietnamese even celebrate Chinese new year. Your old writing system was even Chinese. Most of your vocabulary even consists of Chinese borrowed language. Your architecture in your buildings is even Chinese. Your work habits and ethics are Confucian. Do you think you guys would have a fast growing economy if it wasn't for the work ethic that the Chinese gave you?

Any people that have come in contact with Chinese like the Japanese and Koreans have fare well by taking many elements of Chinese culture.

Vietnam consists of several elements and it is not all about Chinese. Please stop these types of lazy thinking. I am deeply disappointed in you. Have you traveled throughout Vietnam and visited the villages?

Vietnamese didn't overthrow the pro-han government. At that time, the Tang dynasty ended and there was no legal government, China was broken up into many pieces.

When the country finally reunite under Sung dynasty, they tried to reclaim vietnam but failed in the naval battle.

Vietnam was part of Nam Viet, a chinese dynasty (trieu da) from 207 BC to 111 BC even though it was not part of China during this time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanyue

Vietnam has been a province of China or part of chinese dynasties for 1200 years and not 1000 years.

That is interesting. Thank you for pointing that out.


According to the Vietnamese Mythology, Au Co, who is the Mother of All Vietnamese, was from the North Mountainous Region and Lac Long Quan, who is the Father of All Vietnamese, was from the South Oceanic Region.


The original Viets were from the Red River and Pearl River and the original Hans were from the Huang He River and Yangtze River.

interesting

Nobody in China want to take vietnam other than some poor cantonese who looks socal, so peace

Vietnam existed as a China's vessel state but we're not Chinese and the Bach dang battle i was talking about was in around 937. As a Chinese vessel state there were administrations that were of course pro-han like how French ruled VN for 100 years and established pro-French administration. Ngo Quyen overthrow the pro-han government and ultimately he had to face a Chinese invasion and defeated them in the river of Bach Dan.

Ihad him executed.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngo_Quyen
So that motherfawker Kiá»�u Công Tiá»â€¦n was trying to steer the country to a pro-han course so he assassinated Doung Dinh Nhe n sheet. So Ngo Quyen was like "oh no you didnt!!!!!!!" and march out of Ai and whoop that nigga's Kieu Cong's @$$ who was in cahoot with the devil...err i mean Chinese.

As for the battle of Bach Dang, China was defeated by its own incompetency and malaria. And errr We're not the same people, native Vietnamese has resistance to this disease Malaria where the Souther Han doesn't..further more we speak different languages. We might have similarities more or less through natural contact ..but C'mon dawg....what are you smoking? Though, we can be brothers...I heard China grow some good weed. And I heard marijuana helps grow new brain cells. I can roll me some blunt right now

I am for the cooperation of Vietnam-Cambodia-Laos and Guangdong-Guangxi-Yunnan because we are neighbors.

Vietnam was not a vassal state but a province of China. Please don't twist facts.
Vassal states are like korea, champa, thailand who has their local ruler and pay tribute to china only.

Did you even try to understand the link that I provided ?

The Tang dynasty ended in 906. There were chaos everywhere in china between 906 and 959 and since vietnam was part of china, there were chaos there too as there weren't any government. It was only in 938 that Ngo quyen proclaimed himself ruler. The battle of bach dang was not a battle between the whole of china and vietnam but with a small faction of the broken empire.

If the Tang dynasty didn't end, it would be impossible for vietnam to break away. Thus, vietnam broke free when china was not under any dynasty (ie. broken empire)

It was only in 960 when china was reunited by a new dynasty ie. song dynasty.
In 981, China under the new dynasty tried to reclaim vietnam but failed.

Even if the Tang Dynasty did not break, Vietnam would still keep fighting until independence. It doesn't matter it is is 1,000 years or 2,000 years.

I can't believe some people really take this thread seriously

Yeah, comparing vietnamese and chinese is like comparing nigerians with germans

So are your parents Nigerians or Germans?

Sometimes chinese young generation take it very seriously about history when they learned from school said that Vietnam are part of China in Accient time. For us, Vietnam and China would treat each other as friend is better than treating as brother, linking blood, history relation.
Here is example: You have 60% of Singapore are chinese. or Taiwan 70%. So go ahead and bring your army there to invade them... you will see what happen... people will fuk ya and said fuking chinese. A different soveignty is different owner.
Same inside the country China, you go to rob your neigbours they will kill ya.. you and ya neigbours came the same China don't ya?
It is kind of weird to see that, but in fact it is true. Look at Canada and US, or US and England ... fighting before. just like the same Vietnam and China before and china who don't want Vietnam to be independent. In fact, US and England are the same people, but china and vietnam.... well just DNA said we are haft only.
Good luck:) see ya in battle if you want to reclaim Vietnam back.
I just forget something.....Vietnamese sold to China every year 1.5 million tone of Rice can feed 300-400 million Chinese
let me calculate: Phillipine buy from Vietnam 200K tone of rice a year can feed enough 90 million phillipine.
That is why China want Vietnam be back to be apart of china without paying money for rice... is that true.

Hey unwiseman get a life instead of starting flaming topics on the net.

After the Tang dynasty broke apart, one of the pieces ie. southern han (modern cantonese) battled with the vietnamese in the battle of bach dang in 938.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Han

It was not the whole of China who battled the vietnamese in 938 AD but the cantonese.

Cool, how about the Yuan Chinese (aka Mongolians)? Did the Mongolians hire the Cantonese to fight Vietnamese too? How about the Manchurians? Hm, maybe you don't consider Mongolians, Manchurians, Cantonese pure Chinese? How about the battles in 1979? Are the attackers pure Chinese or barbarians?

China has lots of money to buy oil from Russia, paying for rice is considered chicken feed.

The reason why China wanted vietnam back is because it has a long history with vietnam. It is similar to the reason why china wanted Taiwan back.

Let's be friends and respect each other. Nobody wants to be anybody b i t c h and get screwed from behind. As long as China does not interfere in the region surrounding Vietnam, then it should be fine.

The mongolian forces came from all over asia (eg. mongolia, turks etc).

Between 906 and 960, China was broken up into several pieces (11?) of small kingdoms. Thus, you cannot say the battle of 938 represented the whole of China. China was only reunited in 960.

Vietnam was part of the southern han kingdom (ie. cantonese) after the break up. It was them that the vietnamese battled for independence.

Wiseman and cyberchina are having an identity crisis.

You are not accepted by someone now you guys are trying to prove you are more Han than the other guys.

Troll thread. Feeding the trolls leads to predictable results.

You guys can take it as a troll thread, but what I say is true. My friend is an international Vietnamese student and he told me that the majority of overseas Vietnamese are the losing side of the war. This side wants to wreck the Vietnam's economy and weaken the country through sanctions and embargoes. This is good, it will make VN weaker and when it happens China will reclaim what is rightfully hers.

Here is hoping that the overseas Vietnamese lobbies for economic sanctions and economic embargoes to make VN weak.

While there may be factions among the overseas Vietnamese that will take drastic measures if need be to hurt the Vietnamese communist party, I don't see how that could have a significant impact American-Vietnamese diplomatic & economic ties. You're forgetting there are plenty other overseas Vietnamese like myself who are anticommunist but support our country's interests.

Nguy dont have this power yet, nor they will ever have this power.

There is not any so-called southern Han kingdom, they aint Han.

There are only some Southern local states before it get taken-over by Han

Learn your history ABCs

Why not cooperate with the entire China instead of singling out the Guangdong-Guangxi-Yunnan? you get some hidden agenda here, dont you

hidden? Everyone here knows SoCal wants his NanYue back. He's reincarnation of a dead Nanyue king.

Vietnam-Cambodia-Laos and Guangdong-Guangxi-Yunnan are more balanced. It is important to consider Feng Shui and the Ying and Yang of stuffs.


Moderation and the Golden Ratio are virtues, my friends.

Did you learn about the History of Emperor Quang Trung?

You have trouble understanding english or you cannot understand the link I gave you ?

Southern Han kingdom includes the cantonese, vietnamese, guangxi after the breakup of the Tang empire.



Try telling to any cantonese in Hong Kong that they are not Han.

Now be a good boy and vamoose !

Please tell us more about the Southern Han. I am ready to listen.

Does that mean vietnamese were lost han?

Not really.


In the old days, the Viets were originally around the Red River and Pearl River area while the Hans were around the Huang He River and Yangtze River.

The Koreans are in light brown and the Japanese are in yellow.

Yeah we're blackanese, we have no relations whatsoever with East Asia, we don't even look anything like them. Like I said, you're better off comparing nigerians and germans

So are your parents Nigerian or German?