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Ties
So a while ago I asked my Vietnamese friend what he thought about Ho Chi Minh, he got really
mad at me and said that he hated him because Ho Chi Minh had killed a lot of Vietnamese people among other reasons.

I was naturally taken about because I have a lot of respect for Ho Chi Minh. I mean the guy was a class act;
wrote to the president of the United States kindly asking for the liberation of his people, tried diplomacy and when it failed
he backed up his beliefs with the blood, sweat, and tears of a true man. More over this guy kicked America's @$$ in the Vietnam war.

So I'm curious as to what the Vietnamese community at large thinks of Ho Chi Minh.
Keep in mind that my knowledge of the Ho Chi Minh and the Vietnam war are wholly from an American perspective.
SoCal
QUOTE(Ties @ Feb 24 2009, 02:13 PM) [snapback]4141807[/snapback]
So a while ago I asked my Vietnamese friend what he thought about Ho Chi Minh, he got really
mad at me and said that he hated him because Ho Chi Minh had killed a lot of Vietnamese people among other reasons.

I was naturally taken about because I have a lot of respect for Ho Chi Minh. I mean the guy was a class act;
wrote to the president of the United States kindly asking for the liberation of his people, tried diplomacy and when it failed
he backed up his beliefs with the blood, sweat, and tears of a true man. More over this guy kicked America's @$$ in the Vietnam war.

So I'm curious as to what the Vietnamese community at large thinks of Ho Chi Minh.
Keep in mind that my knowledge of the Ho Chi Minh and the Vietnam war are wholly from an American perspective.




President Ho Chi Minh is similar to Emperor Gia Long and Emperor Quang Trung. They did what they had to do to keep the country unified.

Other wise, Vietnam would be like India or Korea, which is divided into 3 parts right now: India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh; and 2 parts right now: South Korea and North Korea.
Ties
Yes but what's your opinion of the man and what he has done?
DongNghi
He is a man like us. has both weldone and baddone. and but he is great person. i love him
asean.asia
Ask the mongol what they think of Genghis Khan. kiss.gif
Watchman
Deeply respect him!
howstrange
Only stupid and corrupt fools respect a person who divides a country for an election that anybody can cancel it, which leads to war where "It takes 300 years to completely demine Vietnam", not to mention the 80 millions of litres of toxic oranges. And also he infects stupid ideology on a proud nation with long, long history of Golden Ages, to be corrupt and stupid so that it can further be enslaved.

Only corrupt and stupid fools!

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=193213
Watchman
QUOTE(howstrange @ Feb 25 2009, 03:44 PM) [snapback]4142377[/snapback]
Only stupid and corrupt fools respect a person who divides a country for an election that anybody can cancel it, which leads to war where "It takes 300 years to completely demine Vietnam", not to mention the 80 millions of litres of toxic oranges. And also he infects stupid ideology on a proud nation with long, long history of Golden Ages, to be corrupt and stupid so that it can further be enslaved.

Only corrupt and stupid fools!

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=193213


you still can't handle the true !
Bijou
QUOTE(Ties @ Feb 24 2009, 02:13 PM) [snapback]4141807[/snapback]
So a while ago I asked my Vietnamese friend what he thought about Ho Chi Minh, he got really
mad at me and said that he hated him because Ho Chi Minh had killed a lot of Vietnamese people among other reasons.

I was naturally taken about because I have a lot of respect for Ho Chi Minh. I mean the guy was a class act;
wrote to the president of the United States kindly asking for the liberation of his people, tried diplomacy and when it failed
he backed up his beliefs with the blood, sweat, and tears of a true man. More over this guy kicked America's @$$ in the Vietnam war.

So I'm curious as to what the Vietnamese community at large thinks of Ho Chi Minh.
Keep in mind that my knowledge of the Ho Chi Minh and the Vietnam war are wholly from an American perspective.


Him? HA!
jimm¥
QUOTE(howstrange @ Feb 25 2009, 05:44 PM) [snapback]4142377[/snapback]
Only stupid and corrupt fools respect a person who divides a country for an election that anybody can cancel it, which leads to war where "It takes 300 years to completely demine Vietnam", not to mention the 80 millions of litres of toxic oranges. And also he infects stupid ideology on a proud nation with long, long history of Golden Ages, to be corrupt and stupid so that it can further be enslaved.

Only corrupt and stupid fools!

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=193213


r u trying to be sarcastic?
asean.asia
^ Nhowstrange writes like a 3 years old. Do take him seriously. heart.gif
jimm¥
QUOTE(asean.asia @ Feb 25 2009, 08:17 PM) [snapback]4142494[/snapback]
^ Nhowstrange writes like a 3 years old. Do take him seriously. heart.gif

..u seem to understand him tho
NaThangThunKlakHumper
QUOTE(Ties @ Feb 24 2009, 05:13 PM) [snapback]4141807[/snapback]
So a while ago I asked my Vietnamese friend what he thought about Ho Chi Minh, he got really
mad at me and said that he hated him because Ho Chi Minh had killed a lot of Vietnamese people among other reasons.

I was naturally taken about because I have a lot of respect for Ho Chi Minh. I mean the guy was a class act;
wrote to the president of the United States kindly asking for the liberation of his people, tried diplomacy and when it failed
he backed up his beliefs with the blood, sweat, and tears of a true man. More over this guy kicked America's @$$ in the Vietnam war.

So I'm curious as to what the Vietnamese community at large thinks of Ho Chi Minh.
Keep in mind that my knowledge of the Ho Chi Minh and the Vietnam war are wholly from an American perspective.

The unanimous Vietnamese perspective is you are a very enormous ashole laugh.gif Do you see I am laffing at you?
Happy Asian
The life and achievement of Ho Chi Minh is still shrouded in mystery, however he is more respectable compared to the VNCH parasites that overran southern Vietnam. Like other leaders in Vietnamese history, Ho Chi Minh had the guts to stand up against a superior enemy and give back dignity to the Vietnamese nation after a century of humiliation at the hands of the French ciminals. In a deep contrast to the great leaders of Vietnamese history, the parasites of VNCH brought in foreign armies to butcher the Vietnamese people, and poison the Vietnamese nation with their bombs and chemicals. Based on that history, I have the utmost respect for Ho Chi Minh regardless of his past and intentions, because no matter what he is better then every single leaders of south Vietnam combined.

Ties
Ok enough with the bashing, I simply wanted to know what Vietnamese people thought of Ho.
I stated what I thought of him based on what I know of him. From what little I garnered from his
biographies, he stood up for what he believed in and cared deeply for his people. That's respectable enough in my eyes.

If you don't have anything intelligent to add, please keep your retarded statements to yourself.
"I r iz hate him N u" doesn't count as intelligent. Opinions are usually backed by reason and logic unless you're
a 3 year old.
Ties
QUOTE(howstrange @ Feb 25 2009, 02:44 AM) [snapback]4142377[/snapback]
Only stupid and corrupt fools respect a person who divides a country for an election that anybody can cancel it, which leads to war where "It takes 300 years to completely demine Vietnam", not to mention the 80 millions of litres of toxic oranges. And also he infects stupid ideology on a proud nation with long, long history of Golden Ages, to be corrupt and stupid so that it can further be enslaved.

Only corrupt and stupid fools!

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=193213


You don't make sense, I don't get what where you're trying to get at. Moreover the thread you link to specifically states
foreign armies placed those mines there.

QUOTE(Happy Asian @ Feb 25 2009, 06:35 AM) [snapback]4142536[/snapback]
The life and achievement of Ho Chi Minh is still shrouded in mystery, however he is more respectable compared to the VNCH parasites that overran southern Vietnam. Like other leaders in Vietnamese history, Ho Chi Minh had the guts to stand up against a superior enemy and give back dignity to the Vietnamese nation after a century of humiliation at the hands of the French ciminals. In a deep contrast to the great leaders of Vietnamese history, the parasites of VNCH brought in foreign armies to butcher the Vietnamese people, and poison the Vietnamese nation with their bombs and chemicals. Based on that history, I have the utmost respect for Ho Chi Minh regardless of his past and intentions, because no matter what he is better then every single leaders of south Vietnam combined.


I agree biggrin.gif , no matter what you think of the man, you have to respect him for what he was able to do.
hadoken
QUOTE(Happy Asian @ Feb 25 2009, 02:35 AM) [snapback]4142536[/snapback]
The life and achievement of Ho Chi Minh is still shrouded in mystery, however he is more respectable compared to the VNCH parasites that overran southern Vietnam. Like other leaders in Vietnamese history, Ho Chi Minh had the guts to stand up against a superior enemy and give back dignity to the Vietnamese nation after a century of humiliation at the hands of the French ciminals. In a deep contrast to the great leaders of Vietnamese history, the parasites of VNCH brought in foreign armies to butcher the Vietnamese people, and poison the Vietnamese nation with their bombs and chemicals. Based on that history, I have the utmost respect for Ho Chi Minh regardless of his past and intentions, because no matter what he is better then every single leaders of south Vietnam combined.

No such thing.
beefnoodle
Tôi nói đồng bào nghe rõ không? Không rõ ạ?
Địt mẹ cái thằng âm thanh làm ăn như con cặc.
Giờ nghe rõ rồi ạ?

Hỡi đồng bào tổ quốc.
Mọi người tưởng ta, Chủ Tịch Hồ Chí Minh, hiền lắm ạ?
Không, Bác ghê lắm!
Bác thường xuyên hút cần sa và đánh bạt.
Lâu lâu nứng cặc bác còn đi chơi đĩ nữa.

Hôm nọ bác ra đường thấy thằng nhóc
Nó nói: "địt mẹ mày thằng Hồ"
Bác không giận nó và hỏi: "bố cháu tên gì?"
nó trả lời: "Dạ, bố cháu tên Minh"
Bác nói: "Đis mẹ mày thằng Minh, mày dạy con cu mày ăn nói lếu láo thế à"


Does anyone here know more? please share
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Bác hồ vĩ đại sống mãi trong cái lồn của chúng ta!
beefnoodle
QUOTE(Ties @ Feb 25 2009, 11:21 AM) [snapback]4142815[/snapback]
You don't make sense, I don't get what where you're trying to get at. Moreover the thread you link to specifically states
foreign armies placed those mines there.
I agree biggrin.gif , no matter what you think of the man, you have to respect him for what he was able to do.


Absolutely, his spirit lives on in the VND.
The more Uncle Ho you have, the more well off you are.
You need Uncle Ho for everything.
Long live Uncle Ho.
Potatosalad
embarassedlaugh.gif beefnoodle biggthumpup.gif
Watchman
QUOTE(beefnoodle @ Feb 26 2009, 11:22 AM) [snapback]4143234[/snapback]
Absolutely, his spirit lives on in the VND.
The more Uncle Ho you have, the more well off you are.
You need Uncle Ho for everything.
Long live Uncle Ho.


you rabid dog need a muzzle to fasten up your snout then you can stop barking beerchug.gif

NaThangThunKlakHumper
QUOTE(Watchman @ Feb 26 2009, 01:27 PM) [snapback]4144240[/snapback]
you rabid dog need a muzzle to fasten up your snout then you can stop barking beerchug.gif


Very not suitable comparing cute loyal animal with him
DongNghi
As your name Beefnoodle: mặt mày như con lợn sao mày ăn cứt nên ngu như ḅ thế. Bố mẹ mày chết sớm nên không ai dậy dỗ mày hả, đồ con hoang.
Tav6
HCM is my grandpa ... i love this man love2.gif love2.gif love2.gif
beefnoodle
QUOTE(DongNghi @ Feb 26 2009, 07:59 PM) [snapback]4144633[/snapback]
As your name Beefnoodle: mặt mày như con lợn sao mày ăn cứt nên ngu như ḅ thế. Bố mẹ mày chết sớm nên không ai dậy dỗ mày hả, đồ con hoang.


Yes, I am deeply jealous for not being as well educated as Ho Chi Minh, his boyband and his children.
Vietnam has the highest abortion rate, Uncle Ho must be very proud of his children's accomplishment.
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thumbsUp
QUOTE(beefnoodle @ Feb 27 2009, 12:56 AM) [snapback]4145201[/snapback]
Yes, I am deeply jealous for not being as well educated as Ho Chi Minh, his boyband and his children.
Vietnam has the highest abortion rate, Uncle Ho must be very proud of his children's accomplishment.
laugh.gif


Umm too bad you weren't aborted. Y-neutral laugh.gif thumbsdown.gif
But we do gotta educate these horny youngsters.
DongNghi
i dont want to curse you more, Beef, this asian chat, so i think we should unite for stronger to reply other countries contenders.
beefnoodle
QUOTE(thumbsUp @ Feb 27 2009, 12:10 AM) [snapback]4145215[/snapback]
Umm too bad you weren't aborted. Y-neutral laugh.gif thumbsdown.gif
But we do gotta educate these horny youngsters.


Abortion is a crime against humanity.
Please do not use it as a joke.
coldsunlight
QUOTE(beefnoodle @ Feb 27 2009, 01:24 AM) [snapback]4145227[/snapback]
Abortion is a crime against humanity.
Please do not use it as a joke.


sir, crimes against humanity as defined by international law do not include abortion shrug.gif
I have some interest for international affairs so i just could not hold back my comment when seeing somebody pretending to be a decent man by bringing this kind of stuff out.
howstrange
Corrupt and stupid fools don't know anything about intelligence or making sense even when you explain it as plainly as it gets.

Respect, intelligence or stupidity and corruption?

Who will worship a guy who sold his country for war by dividing the country for an election where anybody could cancel it anytime and giving the other side 2 years to prepare so there will definitely be war?

Who will respect this guy? What respect? What intelligece? There is no such thing that is why there is so much corruption and people have no sense of self any more.

The guy who opens the gate of hell is responsible as much as the guy who rains hell, 300 years to clear the 3.9 times WWII bombs, 80 million litres of toxic wastes/agent orange/s. Still don't make sense, right? That is because there is no sense of right and wrong, no sense of self to begin with, no intelligence only stupidity and corruption and slaves.
beefnoodle
QUOTE(howstrange @ Feb 27 2009, 02:42 PM) [snapback]4145833[/snapback]
Corrupt and stupid fools don't know anything about intelligence or making sense even when you explain it as plainly as it gets.

Respect, intelligence or stupidity and corruption?

Who will worship a guy who sold his country for war by dividing the country for an election where anybody could cancel it anytime and giving the other side 2 years to prepare so there will definitely be war?

Who will respect this guy? What respect? What intelligece? There is no such thing that is why there is so much corruption and people have no sense of self any more.

The guy who opens the gate of hell is responsible as much as the guy who rains hell, 300 years to clear the 3.9 times WWII bombs, 80 million litres of toxic wastes/agent orange/s. Still don't make sense, right? That is because there is no sense of right and wrong, no sense of self to begin with, no intelligence only stupidity and corruption and slaves.


tôi nói đồng bào nghe rõ không?
không rõ à?
địt mẹ cái thằng âm thanh làm ăn như con cặc
Watchman
QUOTE(howstrange @ Feb 28 2009, 04:42 AM) [snapback]4145833[/snapback]
Corrupt and stupid fools don't know anything about intelligence or making sense even when you explain it as plainly as it gets.

Respect, intelligence or stupidity and corruption?

Who will worship a guy who sold his country for war by dividing the country for an election where anybody could cancel it anytime and giving the other side 2 years to prepare so there will definitely be war?


Who will respect this guy? What respect? What intelligece? There is no such thing that is why there is so much corruption and people have no sense of self any more.

The guy who opens the gate of hell is responsible as much as the guy who rains hell, 300 years to clear the 3.9 times WWII bombs, 80 million litres of toxic wastes/agent orange/s. Still don't make sense, right? That is because there is no sense of right and wrong, no sense of self to begin with, no intelligence only stupidity and corruption and slaves.


I ignored your first comment because of I do! 'ironically' respect your opinion even your assertion doesn't hold any water.
Frankly, it is a piece of crap. Obviously you do know very little about history but very eager to show your ignorance. Yet, I dont want to waste sometime to elaborate it in vain since you dont want to see the pure facts.Stop pretending to be knowledgeable and accusing folks who dissent from your belief of being ' stupidity and corruption".

Instead whoring around and looking for the $hit! may i suggest you to pick up a historical text before come here to prattle !
beefnoodle
QUOTE(Watchman @ Feb 27 2009, 07:35 PM) [snapback]4146056[/snapback]
may i suggest you to pick up a historical text before come here to prattle !


YEAH! I highly recommend the biography (or auto-biography) written by Tran Dan Tien
embarassedlaugh.gif

Note: Tran Dan Tien is HCM's pen name
vietnam
embarassedlaugh.gif

Ai yêu bác HCM hơn chúng em nhi đồng.......

Bao nhiêu thế hệ vẫn thấy đúng. Bác nói 100 năm trồng người không sai!!! beerchug.gif

Yêu Bác nhất! embarassedlaugh.gif
howstrange
QUOTE(howstrange @ Feb 27 2009, 02:42 PM) [snapback]4145833[/snapback]
Corrupt and stupid fools don't know anything about intelligence or making sense even when you explain it as plainly as it gets.

Respect, intelligence or stupidity and corruption?

Who will worship a guy who sold his country for war by dividing the country for an election where anybody could cancel it anytime and giving the other side 2 years to prepare so there will definitely be war?

Who will respect this guy? What respect? What intelligece? There is no such thing that is why there is so much corruption and people have no sense of self any more.

The guy who opens the gate of hell is responsible as much as the guy who rains hell, 300 years to clear the 3.9 times WWII bombs, 80 million litres of toxic wastes/agent orange/s. Still don't make sense, right? That is because there is no sense of right and wrong, no sense of self to begin with, no intelligence only stupidity and corruption and slaves.


Yes, don't waste time elaborating further when they can't even understand this. Let them worship the devil himself.
Legion
Who is Ho Chi Minh? I've never seen a thread of discussion about him before. Finally something new to talk about. Something new to learn. I see progress. It's good that we're seeing something new coz I am tired of people talking about the same thing over and over. beerchug.gif
chosenone22
I grew up hating the man. I was generally told of his evil doings but nobody could really elaborate on it. I guess they were told the same things and they were passing the hate onto the new generation. But as I grew up and read and study more about the man I actually respect him now. Nobody can deny that he loved his country and did whatever he could, good or bad to keep Vietnam for the Vietnamese.
XigonCongchua
Qwe123 ơi, đi lượm rác thành phố hết chưa mà vào đây nói nhảm vậy?
howstrange
QUOTE(chosenone22 @ Feb 28 2009, 02:31 PM) [snapback]4146851[/snapback]
Nobody can deny that he loved his country and did whatever he could, good or bad to keep Vietnam for the Vietnamese.


Yes, no one can deny what I say below:


QUOTE(howstrange @ Feb 27 2009, 02:42 PM) [snapback]4145833[/snapback]
Corrupt and stupid fools don't know anything about intelligence or making sense even when you explain it as plainly as it gets.

Respect, intelligence or stupidity and corruption?

Who will worship a guy who sold his country for war by dividing the country for an election where anybody could cancel it anytime and giving the other side 2 years to prepare so there will definitely be war?

Who will respect this guy? What respect? What intelligece? There is no such thing that is why there is so much corruption and people have no sense of self any more.

The guy who opens the gate of hell is responsible as much as the guy who rains hell, 300 years to clear the 3.9 times WWII bombs, 80 million litres of toxic wastes/agent orange/s. Still don't make sense, right? That is because there is no sense of right and wrong, no sense of self to begin with, no intelligence only stupidity and corruption and slaves.


Just wondering where intellingent people see the good in this?
XigonCongchua
howstrange has such a special intelligence that no one can comprehend rotflmao.gif
howstrange
QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Feb 28 2009, 02:52 PM) [snapback]4146873[/snapback]
howstrange has such a special intelligence that no one can comprehend rotflmao.gif


Only the unintelligent believe everything in what they read. You have to grow up and learn to be intelligent. Otherwise you make stupidity out of yourselves and your good ancestors. But if you want to worship the devil and be stupid and cheap, go ahead.
sks88
QUOTE(SoCal @ Feb 24 2009, 04:19 PM) [snapback]4141809[/snapback]
President Ho Chi Minh is similar to Emperor Gia Long and Emperor Quang Trung. They did what they had to do to keep the country unified.

i agree to an extent. during war time..he did what he had to do to defend his country..regardless if people viewed it as develish or not, there is not a set of rules when it comes to war, Anything goes.But he did give America a run for their money. I think he was intelligent when it came to politics, leadership..and also military strategy...do i respect him? eh not sure in that aspect because i only read a lil about him in the history books..but i respect what i listed.
XigonCongchua
howstrange's intelligence is so great that I can't comprehend. I admire him so much icon_neutral.gif
howstrange
QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Feb 28 2009, 03:29 PM) [snapback]4146912[/snapback]
howstrange's intelligence is so great that I can't comprehend. I admire him so much icon_neutral.gif


When people can't deny what you say, what else have they got left but being disagreeable and stupid. One's got to feel pity for them who even though they can't deny it can't still take it in. They only what they are used to which is, Xigon?
asean.asia
I have never heard of a 4.3 GPA stupid before, but I have heard of below average smart. Howstrange happens to be the below average smart. kiss.gif


QUOTE(howstrange @ Feb 28 2009, 03:00 PM) [snapback]4146880[/snapback]
Only the unintelligent believe everything in what they read. You have to grow up and learn to be intelligent. Otherwise you make stupidity out of yourselves and your good ancestors. But if you want to worship the devil and be stupid and cheap, go ahead.
TigerBeer
ho chi minh was a rapist. nongducmanh is his illegitimate son.
asean.asia
^ adn I am GOD. Get spread this rumor to a 1M people. kiss.gif
howstrange
QUOTE(asean.asia @ Feb 28 2009, 03:57 PM) [snapback]4146943[/snapback]
I have never heard of a 4.3 GPA stupid before, but I have heard of below average smart. Howstrange happens to be the below average smart. kiss.gif



Once again, my point is proven and none can deny what I say:


QUOTE(howstrange @ Feb 28 2009, 03:56 PM) [snapback]4146942[/snapback]
When people can't deny what you say, what else have they got left but being disagreeable and stupid. One's got to feel pity for them who even though they can't deny it can't still take it in. They only what they are used to which is, Xigon?

asean.asia
Proven to yourself is not proven proven to others. Try harder to convince others to think like you. kiss.gif

No one denies. because they don't bother to care about you. kiss.gif

However, if you love me, I'll care for you. heart.gif

QUOTE(howstrange @ Feb 28 2009, 04:02 PM) [snapback]4146954[/snapback]
Once again, my point is proven and none can deny what I say:
howstrange
QUOTE(asean.asia @ Feb 28 2009, 04:05 PM) [snapback]4146961[/snapback]
Proven to yourself is not proven proven to others. Try harder to convince others to think like you. kiss.gif

No one denies. because they don't bother to care about you. kiss.gif

However, if you love me, I'll care for you. heart.gif


They only bother to be stupid for that is all they got left when they can't deny?
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