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tam_ca
Culture: Vietnamese traditional wedding
Posted by Ricky on Sunday, 26 September 2004 (07:49:39) EDT
Contributed by Ricky

Being invited numerous times to Vietnamese friends wedding, I have learned a few points or two. In different countries, there are different ways of thinking. In wedding traditions such as Vietnamese and Chinese, there are some things that we call "limitations" what to do or what not to do. The groom and the bride have so many things to observe and do; of course, today theses are thought of as "false notion". The couple that will be married can't see each other the day before their wedding. False notion or not, seeing each other can bring bad luck and sometimes it shatter the relationship. So most families value this tradition. Today’s, however some choose not to value it.

During the night before, the bride's mom will comb her daughter 's hair. Every comb means something. The most important meaning in that comb legacy is the third comb, and at that time she will. This will bring her luck and happiness in her new home. The groom also has a really important situation when he has to answer difficult questions. The bride's friends ask him the groom some questions which is embarrassing and make him do some difficult physical challenges. After that, the couple is ready for the celebration.

There is a part of tradition that can't be forgotten. The groom must show the bride to his parent. She, the bride, gives a cup of tea to her parents in law. After all that, there is the banquet. During the dinner session groom and bride visit each of the guest tables. The guests begin to play tricks on the couple. Some of them are to see, how well they know each other. The purpose is to have fun without hurting each other. They tie an apple and ask the couple to eat it without using their hands. Most of the time they ended up kissing each other. And surely, there are many other tricks can be take part in depend on individual guest tables creativity. As a notion of a tapping on a glass applied that the guests would like the couple to engage into a kiss. I participate in tapping with along my colleague as I have learned something new.

Beyond all that tradition, there is one thing in common everywhere: the Foods. There are at least twenty dishes at Vietnamese wedding such as fish and egg rolls. Each egg rolls are made of a third vegetable and two third of meat, depending on what you like. The egg rolls should come in pairs because they are like the couple; they should be in pair, always together. There is more kind of food. Then the bride and the groom have time to enjoy themselves. The wedding continues with dancing and celebrating.

Weddings are the most memorable and unforgettable celebrations of your life. The past can be forgotten, but not in a Vietnamese wedding. As a wedding is once a lifetime celebration, you should celebrate it with your own traditions and culture.

-Ricky

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pretty cool eh? I've been to a lot that are exaclty like how they explain it in here..
supernovasp
hmm this is more chinese
tam_ca
you mean.... you never seen a vietnamese wedding before?? i've been to alot... they do everything he explains plus more he didnt explain.
sugarcane
oooh... wedding...biggrin.gif.... sooo, are you planning a wedding anytime soon, huh Tam Ca? embarassedlaugh.gif ...yus sounds pretty excited about it!! embarassedlaugh.gif icon_redface.gif icon_wink.gif ...wellies, yeah, ima also thinking Vietnamese weddings are fun...hic, there are so many dishes on weddings that everybody gets reeally stuffed... especially somee people who liikees to eat a lot ..icon_redface.gif...embarassedlaugh.gif.... Me liikees the part where we get to dance on the dance floor....aahaha embarassedlaugh.gif icon_redface.gif .
tam_ca
icon_redface.gif icon_redface.gif haha not anytime soon.... not even close lol.. the best thing about these weddings are that we all get drunk during the celebration lol..
victory.gif victory.gif
everyone gets to sing if they want too!
ngo.ngochy
== I don't think this is what happen in a Viet wedding.. I'm actually new to the first few paragraph.. and the groom + bride give a cup of wine to the other side.. I wonder if he attended a Viet-Chinese wedding??


Btw, in a Tieu Chau wedding, the groom+bride give cup of tea to the parents, brothers, sisters.. the bigger the family, the longer it'll be eek.gif
Nam Quoc Son Ha
This is definitely Chinese.
tam_ca
hmm thats weird.. i saw two weddings that did that...! maybe we just don't do it aas much anymore. but i've seen some of my relatives do that.
Rei
Have you guys got pictures of a Vietnamese wedding.

Like the traditional clothes the bride and groom wear and ceremonies, stuff like that.

Thanks in Advance
Rocky Cuong V
tam_ca i don't get why you posted this up? Are you planning to get marry Vietnamese style or something? haha
福州市长
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Oct 3 2004, 02:46 AM)
This is definitely Chinese.
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u know i saw vietnamese wedding before.. they are so similar to fuzhou ren's wedding
tam_ca
QUOTE (Cuong @ Oct 3 2004, 05:13 AM)
tam_ca i don't get why you posted this up? Are you planning to get marry Vietnamese style or something? haha
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QUOTE (vIeTpRidEs_wOrLdWiDe @ Oct 3 2004, 10:11 AM)
mine is bin
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why does everyone say that lol.... no i posted this because this is like part of our culture so i thought it would be nice to post it up.
damahu69
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Oct 3 2004, 02:46 AM)
This is definitely Chinese.
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not completely chinese.

In chinese weddings the couple are supposed to top the ceremony with 3 bows:

first bow honoring "heave and earth": 一拜天地

2nd bow honoring the parents: 二拜父母

3rd bow honoring each other: 夫妻对拜

And also in the old days, the bride is supposed to cover her face with a veil, and groom uncovers it before they go to bed. But I've never seen any bride cover her face nowadays.
ngo.ngochy
The party part is Vietnamese, but the ceremony isn't.. same with the day before the wedding and stuff icon_neutral.gif


Rei: Just picture this one bigger for the brides: usually in red; and the groom wear a more losen ao dai, nowaday more wear suit though.
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (tam_ca @ Oct 2 2004, 08:00 PM)
Culture: Vietnamese traditional wedding
Posted by Ricky on Sunday, 26 September 2004 (07:49:39) EDT
Contributed by Ricky

Being invited numerous times to Vietnamese friends wedding, I have learned a few points or two. In different countries, there are different ways of thinking. In wedding traditions such as Vietnamese and Chinese, there are some things that we call "limitations" what to do or what not to do. The groom and the bride have so many things to observe and do; of course, today theses are thought of as "false notion". The couple that will be married can't see each other the day before their wedding. False notion or not, seeing each other can bring bad luck and sometimes it shatter the relationship. So most families value this tradition. Today’s, however some choose not to value it.

During the night before, the bride's mom will comb her daughter 's hair. Every comb means something. The most important meaning in that comb legacy is the third comb, and at that time she will. This will bring her luck and happiness in her new home. The groom also has a really important situation when he has to answer difficult questions. The bride's friends ask him the groom some questions which is embarrassing and make him do some difficult physical challenges. After that, the couple is ready for the celebration.

There is a part of tradition that can't be forgotten. The groom must show the bride to his parent. She, the bride, gives a cup of tea to her parents in law. After all that, there is the banquet. During the dinner session groom and bride visit each of the guest tables. The guests begin to play tricks on the couple. Some of them are to see, how well they know each other. The purpose is to have fun without hurting each other. They tie an apple and ask the couple to eat it without using their hands. Most of the time they ended up kissing each other. And surely, there are many other tricks can be take part in depend on individual guest tables creativity. As a notion of a tapping on a glass applied that the guests would like the couple to engage into a kiss. I participate in tapping with along my colleague as I have learned something new.

Beyond all that tradition, there is one thing in common everywhere: the Foods. There are at least twenty dishes at Vietnamese wedding such as fish and egg rolls. Each egg rolls are made of a third vegetable and two third of meat, depending on what you like. The egg rolls should come in pairs because they are like the couple; they should be in pair, always together. There is more kind of food. Then the bride and the groom have time to enjoy themselves. The wedding continues with dancing and celebrating.

Weddings are the most memorable and unforgettable celebrations of your life. The past can be forgotten, but not in a Vietnamese wedding. As a wedding is once a lifetime celebration, you should celebrate it with your own traditions and culture.

-Ricky

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pretty cool eh? I've been to a lot that are exaclty like how they explain it in here..
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This is deffinately Chinese, and you've been watching too much phim tau. Turn that $hit off.
tqt
I agree with you Dai_Viet,

and tam_ca,

It is people like you that cast an impression that Vietnamese wanna be chinese. I think you need to do some deep studying of your country and you'll realize that Vietnamese culture, values and beliefs are no where near to be influenced by the chinese.

You should read the Hong Duc law by King Le Thanh Tong and you'll realize that Vietnamese culture goes against every fundamental teaching of the confucious culture. You'll also realize that Vietnam already had democracy in the feudal eras.

And please, give your VCR a break man.
DAI_VIET
It's some of these half Viet/chinese that give other the impression that Vietnam is a replica of china.

I personally don't like inter-racial marriage, but chinese is the last race of people I will think of when it comes to survival.
QUOTE
During the night before, the bride's mom will comb her daughter 's hair. Every comb means something

What the? Every comb means something? Just comb the freaking hair already!
tqt
QUOTE
During the night before, the bride's mom will comb her daughter 's hair. Every comb means something


I'm having trouble controlling my laughter when i read that passage embarassedlaugh.gif
DAI_VIET
Sometimes I wished that we'd break off from the rest of Asia and form our own island or continent. That way, we'd have nothing related to the chinese or anything with that respect.

The chinese way is too slow and the process is just terrible when it comes to death, marriage, funeral.

I know that my grandma's house in Vietnam has a picture of some chinese characters, and none of us know what those stand for. So when I get back to Vietnam. I am going to take off everything and anything that has to do with chinese or chinese related.
Emperor
^ LOL, there wouldn't be much left then. rotflmao.gif

just joking. biggrin.gif

Btw. Get rid of your username while your at it, because it has a han-viet word in it. embarassedlaugh.gif
Phil_Huynh
well i just went to a wedding like a year ago
and my cousin is vietnamese
but like most of the things u said they did
except the apple thing
or maybe i wasnt watching
but when they came around the tables first they were talking and stuff
then they had this bowl and had like 50 bags of like 8 pieces of rolled up paper inside and then they would open one of the bags then put the pieces of paper in the bowl then everyone at the table would choose one and who every got the blue one or something got a prize
wait
i think this might be like a party a week before chinese new year
hahaha
but i remember they went around the tables and starting talking
haha
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (Emperor @ Oct 28 2004, 06:10 PM)
^ LOL, there wouldn't be much left then. rotflmao.gif

just joking.  biggrin.gif

Btw. Get rid of your username while your at it, because it has a han-viet word in it.  embarassedlaugh.gif
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Hahhahaha... if by that, then the American people should create a new language for themselves huh?

And if all Viets were to take off every part of chinese in their houses, what's left will be pure and true. The remainder will be in the trash.
浪淘音
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Oct 28 2004, 06:04 PM)
Sometimes I wished that we'd break off from the rest of Asia and form our own island or continent. That way, we'd have nothing related to the chinese or anything with that respect.

The chinese way is too slow and the process is just terrible when it comes to death, marriage, funeral.

I know that my grandma's house in Vietnam has a picture of some chinese characters, and none of us know what those stand for. So when I get back to Vietnam. I am going to take off everything and anything that has to do with chinese or chinese related.
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then go back to the stone age
Emperor
QUOTE
Hahhahaha... if by that, then the American people should create a new language for themselves huh?


No, because they don't want to get rid of everything that British. Unlike the viets who want to get rid of everything Chinese.

QUOTE
And if all Viets were to take off every part of chinese in their houses, what's left will be pure and true. The remainder will be in the trash.


What's left will be French. embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
tqt
QUOTE
then go back to the stone age



You made me laugh, Mister three-square box embarassedlaugh.gif
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (浪淘音 @ Oct 28 2004, 06:15 PM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Oct 28 2004, 06:04 PM)
Sometimes I wished that we'd break off from the rest of Asia and form our own island or continent. That way, we'd have nothing related to the chinese or anything with that respect.

The chinese way is too slow and the process is just terrible when it comes to death, marriage, funeral.

I know that my grandma's house in Vietnam has a picture of some chinese characters, and none of us know what those stand for. So when I get back to Vietnam. I am going to take off everything and anything that has to do with chinese or chinese related.
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then go back to the stone age
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We'll see you there.

QUOTE
What's left will be French.

You need to learn more about geography. Or, what's left will be 1 billion heads.
浪淘音
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 28 2004, 06:19 PM)
QUOTE
then go back to the stone age



You made me laugh, Mister three-square box embarassedlaugh.gif
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care to prove me wrong? take Chinese culture out of vietnam and what you have left? stone age plus some french influences
tqt
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Oct 28 2004, 06:24 PM)
QUOTE (浪淘音 @ Oct 28 2004, 06:15 PM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Oct 28 2004, 06:04 PM)
Sometimes I wished that we'd break off from the rest of Asia and form our own island or continent. That way, we'd have nothing related to the chinese or anything with that respect.

The chinese way is too slow and the process is just terrible when it comes to death, marriage, funeral.

I know that my grandma's house in Vietnam has a picture of some chinese characters, and none of us know what those stand for. So when I get back to Vietnam. I am going to take off everything and anything that has to do with chinese or chinese related.
*


then go back to the stone age
*


We'll see you there.

QUOTE
What's left will be French.

You need to learn more about geography. Or, what's left will be 1 billion heads.
*



How much do you know about Vietnamese culture, values, and beliefs beside the stuff that you influence us?
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (浪淘音 @ Oct 28 2004, 06:24 PM)
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 28 2004, 06:19 PM)
QUOTE
then go back to the stone age



You made me laugh, Mister three-square box embarassedlaugh.gif
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care to prove me wrong? take Chinese culture out of vietnam and what you have left? stone age plus some french influences
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Such a centered chinese. Let's say that if you take everything out of china, what's left will a pot and a chopstick.
tqt
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 28 2004, 06:26 PM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Oct 28 2004, 06:24 PM)
QUOTE (浪淘音 @ Oct 28 2004, 06:15 PM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Oct 28 2004, 06:04 PM)
Sometimes I wished that we'd break off from the rest of Asia and form our own island or continent. That way, we'd have nothing related to the chinese or anything with that respect.

The chinese way is too slow and the process is just terrible when it comes to death, marriage, funeral.

I know that my grandma's house in Vietnam has a picture of some chinese characters, and none of us know what those stand for. So when I get back to Vietnam. I am going to take off everything and anything that has to do with chinese or chinese related.
*


then go back to the stone age
*


We'll see you there.

QUOTE
What's left will be French.

You need to learn more about geography. Or, what's left will be 1 billion heads.
*



How much do you know about Vietnamese culture, values, and beliefs beside the stuff that you influence us?
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Take the aspects that they learned from India instead.
Emperor
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Oct 29 2004, 01:24 AM)
QUOTE
What's left will be French.

You need to learn more about geography. Or, what's left will be 1 billion heads.
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What does "taking off everything Chinese" have to do with geography?
浪淘音
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 28 2004, 06:28 PM)
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 28 2004, 06:26 PM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Oct 28 2004, 06:24 PM)
QUOTE (浪淘音 @ Oct 28 2004, 06:15 PM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Oct 28 2004, 06:04 PM)
Sometimes I wished that we'd break off from the rest of Asia and form our own island or continent. That way, we'd have nothing related to the chinese or anything with that respect.

The chinese way is too slow and the process is just terrible when it comes to death, marriage, funeral.

I know that my grandma's house in Vietnam has a picture of some chinese characters, and none of us know what those stand for. So when I get back to Vietnam. I am going to take off everything and anything that has to do with chinese or chinese related.
*


then go back to the stone age
*


We'll see you there.

QUOTE
What's left will be French.

You need to learn more about geography. Or, what's left will be 1 billion heads.
*



How much do you know about Vietnamese culture, values, and beliefs beside the stuff that you influence us?
*



Take the aspects that they learned from India instead.
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all we got from India was Buddhism and the Swaztika symbol. the swaztika symbol currently is only used by falun gong and buddhism hasn't been popular in China for 1000 years. yes, take Indian influences out, we still have 4000 plus years of culture and civilization

vietnam on the other hand, transitioned out of the stone age 2000 years after it ended for everyone else biggthumpup.gif
tqt
Indian influenced on chinese culture is more than just buddhism

http://www.atributetohinduism.com/India_and_China.htm
浪淘音
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 28 2004, 06:34 PM)
Indian influenced on chinese culture is more than just buddhism

http://www.atributetohinduism.com/India_and_China.htm
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wow, you're dense and gullible. half that article deals with buddhist related issues. the non-buddhist stuff is mentioned regarding India only as a route from the middle east to China

that link also lists "Western Origins of Chinese Civilization" which was discredited over 50 years ago embarassedlaugh.gif2
tqt
QUOTE (浪淘音 @ Oct 28 2004, 06:50 PM)
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 28 2004, 06:34 PM)
Indian influenced on chinese culture is more than just buddhism

http://www.atributetohinduism.com/India_and_China.htm
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wow, you're dense and gullible. half that article deals with buddhist related issues. the non-buddhist stuff is mentioned regarding India only as a route from the middle east to China

that link also lists "Western Origins of Chinese Civilization" which was discredited over 50 years ago embarassedlaugh.gif2
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Are you ashamed that your culture was deeply influenced by the Indian? embarassedlaugh.gif
Emperor
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 29 2004, 01:54 AM)
QUOTE (浪淘音 @ Oct 28 2004, 06:50 PM)
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 28 2004, 06:34 PM)
Indian influenced on chinese culture is more than just buddhism

http://www.atributetohinduism.com/India_and_China.htm
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wow, you're dense and gullible. half that article deals with buddhist related issues. the non-buddhist stuff is mentioned regarding India only as a route from the middle east to China

that link also lists "Western Origins of Chinese Civilization" which was discredited over 50 years ago embarassedlaugh.gif2
*




Are you ashamed that your culture was deeply influenced by the Indian? embarassedlaugh.gif
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you're one stubborn kid.

Can you name some other things beside Buddism, the swastika, tea...?
tqt
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 28 2004, 06:54 PM)
QUOTE (浪淘音 @ Oct 28 2004, 06:50 PM)
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 28 2004, 06:34 PM)
Indian influenced on chinese culture is more than just buddhism

http://www.atributetohinduism.com/India_and_China.htm
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wow, you're dense and gullible. half that article deals with buddhist related issues. the non-buddhist stuff is mentioned regarding India only as a route from the middle east to China

that link also lists "Western Origins of Chinese Civilization" which was discredited over 50 years ago embarassedlaugh.gif2
*




Are you ashamed that your culture was deeply influenced by the Indian? embarassedlaugh.gif
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Use your chinese brain to read that link please
Emperor
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 29 2004, 01:57 AM)
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 28 2004, 06:54 PM)
QUOTE (浪淘音 @ Oct 28 2004, 06:50 PM)
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 28 2004, 06:34 PM)
Indian influenced on chinese culture is more than just buddhism

http://www.atributetohinduism.com/India_and_China.htm
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wow, you're dense and gullible. half that article deals with buddhist related issues. the non-buddhist stuff is mentioned regarding India only as a route from the middle east to China

that link also lists "Western Origins of Chinese Civilization" which was discredited over 50 years ago embarassedlaugh.gif2
*



Are you ashamed that your culture was deeply influenced by the Indian? embarassedlaugh.gif
*



Use your chinese brain to read that link please
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I'm not going to read the whole article. As far as I can see, it's mainly about buddism. And beside that, there are not much traces of "Indian culture" to be found in China.

If you want to make yourself somewhat more convincing, you'll have to name a few things.
tqt
Music, Architecture, Language, Painting, Sculpture, Literature, Mythology, Philosophy and Science.

Are those good enough for you mister Emperor? Spend the time and read the link please.
浪淘音
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 28 2004, 07:07 PM)
Music, Architecture, Language, Painting, Sculpture, Literature, Mythology, Philosophy and Science.

Are those good enough for you mister Emperor?  Spend the time and read the link please.
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you're quite dense, i've already explained to you that your link lists discredited literature as sources

Music=the indian system of music is far from the Chinese system. Hindus rely on a melodic scale system which uses alot of semi-tones while Chinese uses a harmonic system with WIDE intervals. Chinese music also uses quarter-tones which Indian music does not use

Language=LOL Indo-Aryan languages have no influence on Sino-Tibetan languages, they couldn't be further apart

Painting=Tang dynsaty paintings depicted alot of buddhist INSPIRED imagery but the techniques themselves(go to a muesum) are quite far apart

Literature=once again, this information comes from "Western Origins of Chinese civilization" which has been discredited for 50 years

Mythology=i don't remember any Huang Di, Yan Di, Yi the archer, Fu Xi-esque figures when i read Indian mythology

see thing is mr. ngyuen, you can't just list random sources, you have to take the information in your head and interpret them which you can't do because all you can do is google
Emperor
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 29 2004, 02:07 AM)
Music, Architecture, Language, Painting, Sculpture, Literature, Mythology, Philosophy and Science.

Are those good enough for you mister Emperor?  Spend the time and read the link please.
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rofl, I rather not waste my time on that.

How did indian influence the Chinese language except for the swastika word? Chinese and Indian don't even have similar words as far as I know (unlike Viet-Chinese). embarassedlaugh.gif

Painting - Styles are totally different. See for yourself: 1 2

tqt, don't even bother. you know very well that Indian culture didn't have a great impact on Chinese culture. While Chinese did have a great impact on Vietnamese.
tqt
QUOTE
tqt, don't even bother. you know very well that Indian culture didn't have a great impact on Chinese culture. While Chinese did have a great impact on Vietnamese.


The one who do not know about chinese culture being influenced by the Indian are you Mr. Emperor. And yes, the chinese have a great impact on our culture, values, and beliefs that's why we marry our cousin, bind our women's feet, jump off a cliff if your superior told us to.
福州市长
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 28 2004, 07:28 PM)
QUOTE
tqt, don't even bother. you know very well that Indian culture didn't have a great impact on Chinese culture. While Chinese did have a great impact on Vietnamese.


The one who do not know about chinese culture being influenced by the Indian are you Mr. Emperor. And yes, the chinese have a great impact on our culture, values, and beliefs that's why we marry our cousin, bind our women's feet, jump off a cliff if your superior told us to.
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i didn't know that either.. embarassedlaugh.gif2
浪淘音
QUOTE (浪淘音 @ Oct 28 2004, 07:17 PM)
QUOTE (tqt @ Oct 28 2004, 07:07 PM)
Music, Architecture, Language, Painting, Sculpture, Literature, Mythology, Philosophy and Science.

Are those good enough for you mister Emperor?  Spend the time and read the link please.
*


you're quite dense, i've already explained to you that your link lists discredited literature as sources

Music=the indian system of music is far from the Chinese system. Hindus rely on a melodic scale system which uses alot of semi-tones while Chinese uses a harmonic system with WIDE intervals. Chinese music also uses quarter-tones which Indian music does not use

Language=LOL Indo-Aryan languages have no influence on Sino-Tibetan languages, they couldn't be further apart

Painting=Tang dynsaty paintings depicted alot of buddhist INSPIRED imagery but the techniques themselves(go to a muesum) are quite far apart

Literature=once again, this information comes from "Western Origins of Chinese civilization" which has been discredited for 50 years

Mythology=i don't remember any Huang Di, Yan Di, Yi the archer, Fu Xi-esque figures when i read Indian mythology

see thing is mr. ngyuen, you can't just list random sources, you have to take the information in your head and interpret them which you can't do because all you can do is google
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tgt, read that ^, you're arguing with me, so read and rebut my points
Emperor
I wonder why you ignored 浪淘音 post and a great part of my post.

Like I said, I'm not going to read the article. 浪淘音 and I already stated how Chinese and Indian culture are different on various aspects (Music, Architecture, Language, Painting, Sculpture, Literature, Mythology, Philosophy and Science).

How about some counter arguments?

QUOTE
jump off a cliff if your superior told us to.


Good. embarassedlaugh.gif
Titanium
Just ignore tqt he is an extreme Anti-Chinese nationalist. As for Chinese influence on Vietnam, I have to admit we did kinda force it on them no denial there but either way influence is still influence coerced or not.
ghey Du Ma Pride
The last time I went to a du ma wedding was back in du ma city. It was great. Everyone ate fur. Everyone had to cough out 10 hairballs.
DAI_VIET
QUOTE (ghey Du Ma Pride @ Oct 29 2004, 12:19 AM)
The last time I went to a du ma wedding was back in du ma city. It was great. Everyone ate fur. Everyone had to cough out 10 hairballs.
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And you joined them huh? Was that your mom's wedding? Yuck! Even dogs wouldn't do that. Still, you people disgust me.
Can Cac
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Oct 29 2004, 12:22 PM)
QUOTE (ghey Du Ma Pride @ Oct 29 2004, 12:19 AM)
The last time I went to a du ma wedding was back in du ma city. It was great. Everyone ate fur. Everyone had to cough out 10 hairballs.
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And you joined them huh? Was that your mom's wedding? Yuck! Even dogs wouldn't do that. Still, you people disgust me.
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Back when I was visiting Vietnam, I saw some dumaese in du ma city. I don't think they eat dogs tho.
supernovasp
QUOTE (Can Cac @ Oct 29 2004, 12:37 AM)
QUOTE (DAI_VIET @ Oct 29 2004, 12:22 PM)
QUOTE (ghey Du Ma Pride @ Oct 29 2004, 12:19 AM)
The last time I went to a du ma wedding was back in du ma city. It was great. Everyone ate fur. Everyone had to cough out 10 hairballs.
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And you joined them huh? Was that your mom's wedding? Yuck! Even dogs wouldn't do that. Still, you people disgust me.
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Back when I was visiting Vietnam, I saw some dumaese in du ma city. I don't think they eat dogs tho.
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you spell con cac wrong, thus proving you're not vietnamese beerchug.gif Talktohand.gif
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