I bet you my bros morito byron cannot sing this song...

"Tết trung thu rước đèn đi chơi,
Em rước đèn đi khắp phố phường
Lòng vui sướng với đèn trong tay
Em múa ca trong ánh trăng rằm.
Ðèn ông sao với đèn cá chép
Ðèn thiên nga với đèn bướm bướm
Em rước đèn này đến cung trăng ..."

but my question is : Why are we, Viet and Chinese, celebrating the same holiday?

Do any of you like mooncakes? I just bought some mooncake. Darn, it comes from Canada and it's expensive, $25 for 4 inside a steel box. I have tried lot of mooncakes from Vietnam, Shanghai + Pejing China, and Canada but I like Taiwanese mooncakes better.

haha i thought this occasion was for all Chinese to celebrate how they kicked out the Mongolians...nothing related to Vietnamese or Koreans.

vietnamees and korean celebrates it because, they adapted chinese culture

Well i'm not going to flame anyone and start telling them they're stupid, becasue I promise someone that i would stop flaming people on AF...Just read the damn history....
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Tet Trung Thu, as it is known in Vietnam, or the Mid-Autumn Moon Festival as we refer to it in America, is a wonderful, ancient festival that revolves around children.

The Festival dates back as far as 15-20,000 years ago in Southeast Asia, and is traditionally held on the 15th day of the 8th Lunar Month. This year, the date of the Festival is September 2, the same day as the full moon. The Mid-Autumn Moon Festival is one of the two most popular festivals in Vietnam, and has been important to families in Vietnam for many years.

It is said that originally, the Festival came about as a way for parents to make up for lost time with their children after harvest season. The harvest was done by September, (August in the Lunar calendar) and the parents were anxious to spend time with their children and do something special with them, as well as celebrate the harvest, after spending much time working hard and away from the family. It was held under the full moon, which represents fullness and prosperity of life.

The festival is very much like a combination of our Halloween and Thanksgiving. Children parade on the streets, while singing and carrying colorful lanterns of different sizes. Some of the popular shapes include fishes, stars, butterflies and a lantern that spins when a candle is inserted, representing the earth circling the sun.

Dances are also traditional, and include the dragon dance and the flower dance.

It is customary to give Banh Trung Thu, boxes of moon cakes, which are traditionally very rich in taste. The cakes are filled with lotus seeds, ground beans and orange peels and have a bright yoke in the center to represent the moon.

Today, the Mid-Autumn Moon Festival, as well as encouraging affection for children, promotes education, poetry, dance and arts and crafts.

Many Vietnamese communities in the USA hold Mid-Autumn Moon Festivals, including Washington DC and San Jose. For families that don't live in an area with an organized Festival, have your own! It is a wonderful opportunity to share and learn about your child's culture, and a great opportunity for family fun too!

To help children get ready for the Festival, parents can help children make their lanterns and costumes for the lantern procession and discuss the history and culture of Vietnam.

Showing our love for our children and teaching of Vietnam's love for their children is a wonderful reason to celebrate!

15-20,000 years ago??? aren't u go litte bit too far ??
i don't think people know what is lunar years back then.. i wonder if vietnamese and chinese exist..

Most of the major asian countries celebrate the harvest moon festival...China, Vietnam, Korea, Japan all celebrate it. It's like the asian thanksgiving.

here is what i found out from the internet

Introduction:

Origins:
During the Northern Song Dynasty (960-1127), the 15th day of the eighth lunar month was designated as the Mid-Autumn Festival. During the Zhou Dynasty (c. 11th century - 256 BC), the night of the roundest moon of the year was an occasion for the Chinese to hold rituals to greet the cool weather and sacrifice to the Moon Goddess. By the Tang Dynasty ( AD 618 - 907) merry-making had become part of the festival, as had watching the moon rise and enjoying its full, silvery light.

In Details:
When did this festival first begin? No exact date can be found in historical documents, but scholars assume that it is related to 2 customs in China.

The first custom concerns farmers. China is an agricultural country, and farming is closely related to the seasons. In ancient times, farmers worshipped the Earth God to pray for a good harvest, when they sowed the seeds in spring. This was known as spring worship. During autumn, farmers also worshipped the Earth God to thank him for giving them a good harvest. This was known as autumn reward. Since the 15'" month of the 8th month is the time when rice paddies are harvested, some people believe that the Mid Autumn Festival came from the autumn reward ritual.

The second custom concerns worship of the moon. According to astronomy, the Mid Autumn Festival occurs at the autumn equinox. At this time, the sunlight shines vertically on the equator, equally dividing the day and night in both the southern and northern hemispheres. The moon appears in the evening with gentle winds and light clouds. This is the best time to watch the moon. People later made this day, the day to worship the moon.

that's the http://kevdesign.com/midautumnfestival/origin.htm

No I'm not far of at all. That was how the moon festival started. And yeah it was long before before the existence of both country.
Here's another source:

Don't believe everything that is said though...
http://qi-journal.com/culture.asp?-token.S...Moon%20Festival


edit:


Enough said?

er.. we shouldn't debate those stuff... since it is holiday.. we shouldn't turn it in to bloody war...

happy Tet Trung Thu vietnamese

Square mooncakes?

I thought mid-autumn occurs when the moon is at its fullest.(it should be round.)

most of vietnamese moon cake are square lol

chinese moon cakes are square too... but we also have round one.. but most of them i ate before are square

Replying to supernovasp posts:
^ most but not all.
Some are round.

Must be another North/South divide.
I don't remember eating square Mooncakes.

well most of our moon cakes are made in fujian and Guangzhou..

I have ate both square and round ones. Remember, the part that represents the moon is the yoke inside, which always round. So, it doesn't matter what the shape of the actual cake is.

Mooncakes made in the north tastes bad but are round.Cheap too.
Mooncakes overseas are a killer. they are complete rip off!

lol, i don't think u know what u are talking about.

that's what i thought too... chinese history only 5000 years old..

seriously...read my fu-ken post before making stupid replies....
Answering these ignorant question over and over again...... Pitty people just throw trash into an argument like this.

edit: I'll say this one more time. This Festival existed way before the existence of China and Vietnam. Please remember that China did not born during the existence of human race. Alot of things have before China became a country you know...

seriously, i really don't think u know what u are talking about most of the time. many times u utter laughable remarks to things u don't have much knowleage on.

no one give a crap about what you think really. And to answer your ignorant mind on this issue. Go back and read my post above your post just now, or do i have to say it again? Lolz

i read it so many times...

^ http://www.adoptvietnam.org/

edit: As for the other person that just jumps in and talk trash. Here's a little present...

20,000 years seemed a little far fetched, in South East Asia??

When did vietnam actually moved down to South East Asia?

no, it's 15,000 - 20,000 year. No one actually know the correct date of when it started.

Edit: IN answering the Thread starters question.
"Why Viet & Chinese celebrate this day?"

They simple adopted this tradition. Why..go back and read the article and the past posts.

why u say go read ur post over and over again as if it's some kind of an authorized document. yeah, i've read it and got a laugh out of it. if u take that kind of article seriously, then u really need to read more and expand ur knowaleage base. look, as far as how was the festival originated and where did it originated, there's really not much to argue about.

My point is


Was Vietnam appart of South East Asia 15-20,000 years ago?

and he is the one always helling at people...

People might be praying to the moon 15,000 - 20,000 years ago, but I don't think we can say that the Mid-Autumn Moon Festival is deriving from it. Anyway, it sounds a little bit too far fetch for me also.

lolz pitty you don't know the correct answer and you just jump in to argue about my given answers. I kind of feel like talking to a 5 year old here.
”I don’t believe you, I don’t believe you”
If you actually want to have debate, then at lease you got to prove why my source is wrong or at lease provide some information, if you believe that the evident I show is “not”, then you should provide some evident that it “is”. All your doing is acting like a baby and it isn’t worth my time in reply to you.

Hey cuong have you got another source link about Tết Trung Thu??

http://www.quangduc.com/tanman/tettrungthu.html
http://qi-journal.com/culture.asp?-token.S...Moon%20Festival
http://www.adoptvietnam.org/
http://www.familyculture.com/holidays/tettrungthu.htm

why u always talk like an immature brat. i have yet to see something intellegent come out of ur mouth except name calling, laughable mumble. 康师傅 already gave a description of how this festival was originated. if u have doubts, go read more, search on the web...there's plenty of resources. gosh, do i need to tell u how to enlighten urself? but maybe that's the case for somebady as clueless as u are.

Alright i c

There is a folklore behind the holiday. The mooncake was integrated during the Yuan dynasty when the Mongolians ruled China. Okay this one is beleivable.

But im not sure about the article by Erin Henderson, or maybe the holiday have different meanings for Chinese and Viets, and the Erin Henderson is explaining the vietnamese side??? Can someone confirm

it is the same..

[quote=歡,Sep 26 2004, 03:48 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 12:39 PM] [quote=歡,Sep 26 2004, 03:31 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 12:11 PM] [quote=歡,Sep 26 2004, 03:07 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 11:54 AM] [quote=康师傅,Sep 26 2004, 02:50 AM] [quote=歡,Sep 25 2004, 11:48 AM] [quote]The Festival dates back as far as 15-20,000 years ago in Southeast Asia[/quote]

lol, i don't think u know what u are talking about. [/quote]
that's what i thought too... chinese history only 5000 years old.. [/quote]
seriously...read my fu-ken post before making stupid replies....
Answering these ignorant question over and over again...... Pitty people just throw trash into an argument like this. [/quote]
seriously, i really don't think u know what u are talking about most of the time. many times u utter laughable remarks to things u don't have much knowleage on. [/quote]
no one give a crap about what you think really. And to answer your ignorant mind on this issue. Go back and read my post above your post just now, or do i have to say it again? Lolz [/quote]
why u say go read ur post over and over again as if it's some kind of an authorized document. yeah, i've read it and got a laugh out of it. if u take that kind of article seriously, then u really need to read more and expand ur knowaleage base. look, as far as how was the festival originated and where did it originated, i really don't see there's much to argue about really. [/quote]
lolz pitty you don't know the correct answer and you just jump in to argue about my given answers. I kind of feel like talking to a 5 year old here.
”I don’t believe you, I don’t believe you”
If you actually want to have debate, then at lease you got to prove why my source wrong or at lease show if you believe that the evident I show is “not”, then you should provide some evident that it “is”. All your doing is acting like a baby and it isn’t worth my time in reply to you. [/quote]
why u always talk like an immature brat. i have yet to see something intellegent come out of ur mouth except name calling, laughable mumble. 康师傅 already gave a description of how this festival was originated. if u have doubts, go read more, search on the web...there's plenty of resources. gosh, do i need to tell u how to enlighten urself? but maybe that's the case for somebady as clueless as u are. [/quote]
Stupid people these days.
[quote]In Details:
When did this festival first begin? No exact date can be found in historical documents, but scholars assume that it is related to 2 customs in China. [/quote]

You actually think you got something to say? Lolz, take my advice and use my present wisely..




[quote=Rei]There is a folklore behind the holiday. The mooncake was integrated during the Yuan dynasty when the Mongolians ruled China. Okay this one is beleivable.[/quote]
Yes it was intergrated, but it wasn't created.

[quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 12:53 PM] [quote=歡,Sep 26 2004, 03:48 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 12:39 PM] [quote=歡,Sep 26 2004, 03:31 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 12:11 PM] [quote=歡,Sep 26 2004, 03:07 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 11:54 AM] [quote=康师傅,Sep 26 2004, 02:50 AM] [quote=歡,Sep 25 2004, 11:48 AM] [quote]The Festival dates back as far as 15-20,000 years ago in Southeast Asia[/quote]

lol, i don't think u know what u are talking about. [/quote]
that's what i thought too... chinese history only 5000 years old.. [/quote]
seriously...read my fu-ken post before making stupid replies....
Answering these ignorant question over and over again...... Pitty people just throw trash into an argument like this. [/quote]
seriously, i really don't think u know what u are talking about most of the time. many times u utter laughable remarks to things u don't have much knowleage on. [/quote]
no one give a crap about what you think really. And to answer your ignorant mind on this issue. Go back and read my post above your post just now, or do i have to say it again? Lolz [/quote]
why u say go read ur post over and over again as if it's some kind of an authorized document. yeah, i've read it and got a laugh out of it. if u take that kind of article seriously, then u really need to read more and expand ur knowaleage base. look, as far as how was the festival originated and where did it originated, i really don't see there's much to argue about really. [/quote]
lolz pitty you don't know the correct answer and you just jump in to argue about my given answers. I kind of feel like talking to a 5 year old here.
”I don’t believe you, I don’t believe you”
If you actually want to have debate, then at lease you got to prove why my source wrong or at lease show if you believe that the evident I show is “not”, then you should provide some evident that it “is”. All your doing is acting like a baby and it isn’t worth my time in reply to you. [/quote]
why u always talk like an immature brat. i have yet to see something intellegent come out of ur mouth except name calling, laughable mumble. 康师傅 already gave a description of how this festival was originated. if u have doubts, go read more, search on the web...there's plenty of resources. gosh, do i need to tell u how to enlighten urself? but maybe that's the case for somebady as clueless as u are. [/quote]
Stupid people these days.
[quote]In Details:
When did this festival first begin? No exact date can be found in historical documents, but scholars assume that it is related to 2 customs in China. [/quote]

You actually think you got something to say? Lolz, take my advice and use my present wisely..
[/quote]
it is more believable that what u said..

Here's another article about the festival itself. It might give you an insight into its orgin.

I think the Erin Henderson article is rubbish. She probably didn't do enough research on the topic....

[quote=康师傅,Sep 26 2004, 03:55 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 12:53 PM] [quote=歡,Sep 26 2004, 03:48 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 12:39 PM] [quote=歡,Sep 26 2004, 03:31 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 12:11 PM] [quote=歡,Sep 26 2004, 03:07 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 11:54 AM] [quote=康师傅,Sep 26 2004, 02:50 AM] [quote=歡,Sep 25 2004, 11:48 AM] [quote]The Festival dates back as far as 15-20,000 years ago in Southeast Asia[/quote]

lol, i don't think u know what u are talking about. [/quote]
that's what i thought too... chinese history only 5000 years old.. [/quote]
seriously...read my fu-ken post before making stupid replies....
Answering these ignorant question over and over again...... Pitty people just throw trash into an argument like this. [/quote]
seriously, i really don't think u know what u are talking about most of the time. many times u utter laughable remarks to things u don't have much knowleage on. [/quote]
no one give a crap about what you think really. And to answer your ignorant mind on this issue. Go back and read my post above your post just now, or do i have to say it again? Lolz [/quote]
why u say go read ur post over and over again as if it's some kind of an authorized document. yeah, i've read it and got a laugh out of it. if u take that kind of article seriously, then u really need to read more and expand ur knowaleage base. look, as far as how was the festival originated and where did it originated, i really don't see there's much to argue about really. [/quote]
lolz pitty you don't know the correct answer and you just jump in to argue about my given answers. I kind of feel like talking to a 5 year old here.
”I don’t believe you, I don’t believe you”
If you actually want to have debate, then at lease you got to prove why my source wrong or at lease show if you believe that the evident I show is “not”, then you should provide some evident that it “is”. All your doing is acting like a baby and it isn’t worth my time in reply to you. [/quote]
why u always talk like an immature brat. i have yet to see something intellegent come out of ur mouth except name calling, laughable mumble. 康师傅 already gave a description of how this festival was originated. if u have doubts, go read more, search on the web...there's plenty of resources. gosh, do i need to tell u how to enlighten urself? but maybe that's the case for somebady as clueless as u are. [/quote]
Stupid people these days.
[quote]In Details:
When did this festival first begin? No exact date can be found in historical documents, but scholars assume that it is related to 2 customs in China. [/quote]

You actually think you got something to say? Lolz, take my advice and use my present wisely..
[/quote]
it is more believable that what u said.. [/quote]
The reason i call him baby is becasue he doesn't actually have anything relevant to say and to add to this debate and keep on talking crap.

no comment. ...

[quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 12:53 PM] [quote=歡,Sep 26 2004, 03:48 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 12:39 PM] [quote=歡,Sep 26 2004, 03:31 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 12:11 PM] [quote=歡,Sep 26 2004, 03:07 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 11:54 AM] [quote=康师傅,Sep 26 2004, 02:50 AM] [quote=歡,Sep 25 2004, 11:48 AM] [quote]The Festival dates back as far as 15-20,000 years ago in Southeast Asia[/quote]

lol, i don't think u know what u are talking about. [/quote]
that's what i thought too... chinese history only 5000 years old.. [/quote]
seriously...read my fu-ken post before making stupid replies....
Answering these ignorant question over and over again...... Pitty people just throw trash into an argument like this. [/quote]
seriously, i really don't think u know what u are talking about most of the time. many times u utter laughable remarks to things u don't have much knowleage on. [/quote]
no one give a crap about what you think really. And to answer your ignorant mind on this issue. Go back and read my post above your post just now, or do i have to say it again? Lolz [/quote]
why u say go read ur post over and over again as if it's some kind of an authorized document. yeah, i've read it and got a laugh out of it. if u take that kind of article seriously, then u really need to read more and expand ur knowaleage base. look, as far as how was the festival originated and where did it originated, i really don't see there's much to argue about really. [/quote]
lolz pitty you don't know the correct answer and you just jump in to argue about my given answers. I kind of feel like talking to a 5 year old here.
”I don’t believe you, I don’t believe you”
If you actually want to have debate, then at lease you got to prove why my source wrong or at lease show if you believe that the evident I show is “not”, then you should provide some evident that it “is”. All your doing is acting like a baby and it isn’t worth my time in reply to you. [/quote]
why u always talk like an immature brat. i have yet to see something intellegent come out of ur mouth except name calling, laughable mumble. 康师傅 already gave a description of how this festival was originated. if u have doubts, go read more, search on the web...there's plenty of resources. gosh, do i need to tell u how to enlighten urself? but maybe that's the case for somebady as clueless as u are. [/quote]
Stupid people these days.
[quote]In Details:
When did this festival first begin? No exact date can be found in historical documents, but scholars assume that it is related to 2 customs in China. [/quote]

You actually think you got something to say? Lolz, take my advice and use my present wisely..
[/quote]
oh it's not originated in SE asia 15-20000 years ago, as u proudly presented ur holly article? lol but seriously, there are quite a few different sayings about how it was originated, that's why u need to read more to expand u horizon instead of just believing whatever throwed at u. i say ur article is laughable because 15-20000 years ago, human kind was still in caves and there's no material or concept to make the mooncake whatsoever. it amazes me that common knowleage doesn't register in ur little head. about the festival, one thing is for certain though, it was originated from china. there's no question about it.

Anyway......

Here's another source.
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Also here's another source for everyone to Chill out a bit.
Lyrics in English:
At Mid-autumn festival,
walk around with lanterns lit.
Take them all across the town,
singing to the autumn moon.
Lanterns all in different shapes, lantern angel, lantern dream,
Lantern fish, or lantern star, lantern swan or butterfly.
Take my lantern to the sky;
take my lantern to the moon!

Lyrics in Vietnamese:
Tet trung thu ruoc den di choi.
Em ruoc den di khap pho phuong.
Long vui suong voi den trong tay
Em mua ca trong anh trang ram.
Den ong sao voi den ca chep
den thien nga voi den buom buom
em ruoc den nay den cung trang.
Den xanh lo voi den tim tim.
Den xanh lam voi den trang trang
Trong anh den ruc ro muon mau.

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He got you there coung

[quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 12:59 PM] [quote=康师傅,Sep 26 2004, 03:55 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 12:53 PM] [quote=歡,Sep 26 2004, 03:48 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 12:39 PM] [quote=歡,Sep 26 2004, 03:31 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 12:11 PM] [quote=歡,Sep 26 2004, 03:07 AM] [quote=Cuong,Sep 25 2004, 11:54 AM] [quote=康师傅,Sep 26 2004, 02:50 AM] [quote=歡,Sep 25 2004, 11:48 AM] [quote]The Festival dates back as far as 15-20,000 years ago in Southeast Asia[/quote]

lol, i don't think u know what u are talking about. [/quote]
that's what i thought too... chinese history only 5000 years old.. [/quote]
seriously...read my fu-ken post before making stupid replies....
Answering these ignorant question over and over again...... Pitty people just throw trash into an argument like this. [/quote]
seriously, i really don't think u know what u are talking about most of the time. many times u utter laughable remarks to things u don't have much knowleage on. [/quote]
no one give a crap about what you think really. And to answer your ignorant mind on this issue. Go back and read my post above your post just now, or do i have to say it again? Lolz [/quote]
why u say go read ur post over and over again as if it's some kind of an authorized document. yeah, i've read it and got a laugh out of it. if u take that kind of article seriously, then u really need to read more and expand ur knowaleage base. look, as far as how was the festival originated and where did it originated, i really don't see there's much to argue about really. [/quote]
lolz pitty you don't know the correct answer and you just jump in to argue about my given answers. I kind of feel like talking to a 5 year old here.
”I don’t believe you, I don’t believe you”
If you actually want to have debate, then at lease you got to prove why my source wrong or at lease show if you believe that the evident I show is “not”, then you should provide some evident that it “is”. All your doing is acting like a baby and it isn’t worth my time in reply to you. [/quote]
why u always talk like an immature brat. i have yet to see something intellegent come out of ur mouth except name calling, laughable mumble. 康师傅 already gave a description of how this festival was originated. if u have doubts, go read more, search on the web...there's plenty of resources. gosh, do i need to tell u how to enlighten urself? but maybe that's the case for somebady as clueless as u are. [/quote]
Stupid people these days.
[quote]In Details:
When did this festival first begin? No exact date can be found in historical documents, but scholars assume that it is related to 2 customs in China. [/quote]

You actually think you got something to say? Lolz, take my advice and use my present wisely..
[/quote]
it is more believable that what u said.. [/quote]
The reason i call him baby is becasue he doesn't actually have anything relevant to say and to add to this debate and keep on talking crap. [/quote]
again, i have yet to see anything intellegent coming out of ur mouth except name calling. well, that's typical u, i guess.

Alright this kid still want to act stupid

Shut up and stop embarassing yourself. If you learn about Australian aboriginal history it dates back to over 50,000years. And i suppose that is unbelivable as well eh. And let me tell you something here. they don't live in cave.


Lolz talking crap with any back up evident. Pitty child these day.

Also talking about Reading more. Did you even check out the Chinese article i posted and how i prove that was irrelevant. Man..this kid is so.......


edit: And you actually think u made a point? Lolz all you're saying here is. "I don't believe this, i don't believe that."

u don't have to sreaming and yelling.. u can be little more polite

Christ you sound like a whiny little girl.

Um

Some Aboriginals did live in caves (cave paintings....)


The festival was apart of chinese folklore....