America has been the super power for a long time and has helped in dealing with many problems, actually they need credit for that. But if China could have achieved her indipendence in 1776 we could be having less problems than we are having today. Who will agree with me? (By the way I am a new member)

i'd say so yea, especially if confucious was the first president

Who was confucious?

This is a no brainer.
Before say China could've achieved independence, the 1st and foremost things that will always haunt China and any S.E.A countries history is allowing so many European or Western powers come, see, take & control for a very long time.

The rebuilding mode is still in place, though China is ahead of the pack. There's still a long road to go.

Is there a possibility that china will one day develop more than U S? If so I think the way it is cooperating with African countries
is a very positive gear. Remember Europe is ahead coz they stole African resources.China is a friend of Africa and therefore
needs more cooperation to score more development goals

China arent friends with Africa. China is using africa for its resources but africans are too stupid to realize it. Chinese people are very xenophobic and we dont want anything to do with africans.

Generazion you are contradicting yourself. Why are you looking for more business opportunities in Africa. Why are Africans working in China coz we need each other for our mutual development. China needs Africa more in every new day and vise versa.Visit Africa and you will never see any one stupid

what kind of problems are you referring to? and how would China as a super power solve them? are you aware China does not like to interfere with others issues?

when did you become spokesman of China.

Just because your family left china and are considered possible traitors does not distort the true fact that us true Chinese people are honorable and there is nothing wrong with mutual benefits.

You been brainwashed by Western media into thinking China is actually a country that doesn't care about anyone else.

he invented confusion

African please do not mind Generazion. He is obviously not Chinese at all. He is just another of the many anti-China trolls who loves to spread black-propaganda against Chinese so that other people will hate us. When I say black-propaganda, what I mean is that he pretends to be Chinese and than will say a lot of hateful and racist things towards other people. The effect is that many people of other races/ethnicities will start hating Chinese.





He's obviously not Chinese, but an anti-China extremist who is purposely trying to stir up racist confilicts between Chinese and Africans. Divide-and-Conquer is the game he is playing here.

The guy is not even Chinese. But i do think that it's very important that China and Africa builds good trade relations. I think if China continues invests in Africa and help African nations develop, sometime in the future we might see a relationship between China and Africa mirroring that of US and SK. It's always good to have strong independent allies no matter in which part of the world. I hope in the future when the industry in Africa develops more the trade can evolve beyond primary industry and into more advance industries.

Most of the West have given them are empty promises. China unlike Western countries in the past is actually for a change doing something for African countries. They are giving things back to those countries by building hospitals, schools, infrastructure improvements, building major rail roads etc.

Here is an interesting article that is related to the topic. I may have posted this already, and if so, I apologize:

http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/brendanonei...on-the-chinese/

"A few months ago, at the height of the Christmas shopping season, Oxfam encouraged us Britons to give “the gift of dung” to Africa. That’s right: dung. Apparently poor African farmers like nothing better at Christmas time than to receive a bucket of $hit with which they can fertilise their crops......

Contrast this “funusual” approach to Third World development with the work of Chinese businessmen and officials in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Last week, BBC TV’s Newsnight revealed that the Chinese have a signed a trade deal with the DRC worth a whopping $9-billion. As part of this package, the Chinese will help to build 2 400 miles of road, 2 000 miles of railway, 32 hospitals, 145 health centres and two universities in the DRC.

Now, if you were (or are) a poor African struggling to make ends meet, who would you prefer to see treading a path to your village?"

nothing wrong with dungs, when the global supply of natural gas deplete, we will all go back to fertilie crops with dungs

I think China should have two approaches towards the West/Japan and another attitude towards developing countries.

Towards the imperialist powers that used to bully China, China should play straight geopolitics. Pure self-interested and opportunistic grab for power.

But with developing countries, China should increase trade ties and be pragmatic, at the same time, it should also create win win situations and act as a mentor WHEN advice is REQUESTED.

In Africa, China needs the resources, yes. However, China should also make sure that it pays for those resources with tangible benefits for the African peoples not just more money in the pockets of corrupt dictators. I am talking about buying minerals and in exchange, building infrastructure, hospitals, schools. China's experience in the past 30 years has many lessons that can be useful for other developing countries. China understands where they are coming from. When Chinese see the poverty of Africa, they see something familiar because China was just as poor only 20 years ago! So I think the Chinese model has a lot to teach the Africans and the other developing countries. Of course, our attitude should be humble and we should never lecture. Just build trade, mutual prosperity and provide guidance when requested.

I think that as current trends continue, China will surpass the US in the next 15 years. Although I live in the US, I constantly return to China and I see the very rapid progress.

What country of Africa are you from?

He is one of the greatest thinkers in ancient China. It's shocking that both of you don't know it, don't you know a little bit of China?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius

I think it is very bad for non chinese to be in this forum to develop hate and racism between the chinese
and their friends. I think Generazion is a canadian whom together with their western friends have no chance
in Africa.They have started topics here in this forum which are meant to bring hate between Africans and Chinese.They also say we are not fit to be called humans yet African Professors lecture in their universities.We have now woken up and we do not want their imperialisn any more and instead African
countries have gone to China. Most contracts mainly in Kenya, Zimbabwe, Malawi, sudan, Zambia, Mauritania etc are now in the hands of Chinese companies. In fact less than ten African countries are not fully cooperating with China
because they are still tied to western colonialism but soon we hope they will catch up with their fellow African stetes.

haozhao I am a Kenyan where Chinese walk freely and they do business with Africans comfortably. The post election
violence in Kenya was fuelled by USA with its puppet states and EU coz their candidate never won presidential race, though Obama was not in the stete house then. Yes we we love Obama coz he has a Kenyan father but America and its allies continue to lose business opportunities in Kenya the day in the day out .To my knowledge
Kenya has the highest number of Chinese among the African states. Soon China will be the superpower.

Alphonso was making a crack at Giosue Cozzarelli, a Miss Panama 2009 beauty pageant contestant who claimed 'Confucius Invented Confusion'.

Metalhead lets not get out of the topic. Do you agree that if China had attained her indepedence
in 1776 world problems would be fewer? where do you expect China in terms development 25 years
to come? who will be the super power?

I think the idea of 'superpower' will change as nationalism becomes more and more outdated. The idea of competing nations is already becoming eroded through globalised companies and the interconnectivity of the internet and the speed of travel. In the next 100 years I expect most of the world to come together under global institutions and loosely follow the EU model. Already there is talk of global laws to police global trade so as to prevent a deregulatory race to the bottom such as what caused much of the current credit crisis.
Nationalism seems rather 19th century.

I tend t agree.
I think there will be more regional economic blocks.
Perhaps even common currency within this blocks like the EU.

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There are many problems that the black africans have brought upon themselves and China cannot really changed or fix it without do things similar to the USA. Black african countries have many problems. Corrupt leaders and politicans, disease, rape and other criminal activities, crimes go unreported and when it is reported there is not punishment for the criminal. Warlords. rebels, and pirates kill those that are in their way. There is no real justice/criminal system to deter criminals. Black african countries need to solve their problems and help their people before they look to China for handouts. North african countries such as Egypt dont seem to have as many problems as the sub-saharan countries do.

Every continent or region has had their problems years ago. I agree with you but I want to let you know that sub-saharan countries are working hard to dealing with these problems since we have realized our mistakes of trusting westerns. Now China is the answer coz they do not interfering with our internal affairs. Remember we gained independence some few years ago.

Africa is that way because it's been a constant war zone. Many countries in the middle east have the same problems because of the destabilization brought by wars. China cannot do things similar to the USA, the US is infact the cause of problems in some of these countries. China can assist them to improve their infrastructure and economy so they can sustain their society, but it's up to their own governments to solve their own internal problems.

I don't think China's the answer, whatever happens now, at the end of the day, the Chinese government is responsible for Chinese interests and not the interests of African nations (or that of any other nation for that matter).

African nations must look at them selvess for the answer because that's the only way to develop, that's what independence means.

I think what he means is that China doesn't try to force its will/policy on them unlike the EU and US... For China its business for EU and US its politics, power and domination. I personally think its better for a country to find its own political model according to the conditions of the country and not be forced by foreign powers, it may not always go right but its very clear that the current system is also not working.

BTW I think the main reason that Africa has so many wars is that during the colonialism the western power just drew lines throughout Africa regardless of the difference in race or culture.

That and the Western demand for diamonds and drugs

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The fact that frontiers were traced by Western colonial powers does not alone explain the chaos we see throughout Africa. Some of the problems are that there's not enough economical incentives for a stable political environment in Africa and the sheer number of smaller diverging interest groups, which have access to arms trading networks illicitly, and the governments that want to protect their own interests. However, it is true that the arbitrary decisions of Western colonial powers have made territorial disputes worse.

Our continent needs true friends so as to handle our main problems effect-fully and not threats, force and intimidation from westerns. We are tired of the mother of all wars and their wives. China is welcome here

Don't be so naive African.

I totally agree

Maybe you would also like the West to stop giving billions of dollars for humanitarion aid and development aid to Africa every year. I wonder how well Africa would do if suddenly they wouldn't have those billions of dollars for spending every year.

Africans are not beggars. What they need are not handouts but, a serious business partner that's interesting in developing African industries and, not just someone that will throw them a crumb here and there.

Naive? ah! What we need is honesty in transacting business. Metalhead I am not naive I am serious in what I say. Come to Africa and you will see how business is carried out between Africans and Chinese yea.

What billions are you talking about? we in fact do not need them. We never beg for your money furthermore we give back with interest benefiting you more, remember what you did through IMF, you wanted us to be more poor and you become more richer. We will never accept brain washing and brain draining.

There are plenty of 'serious' Western business partners active in Africa, but they are constantly accused of being exploitative and whatnot. Yet somehow the Chinese companies are good for the black continent, even though they're making the exact same kind of deal that Western companies have been making for decades, ie aid/infrastructure in exchange for resources. I'm really at a loss to understand why it's exploitative, neo-colonial, racist etc. when one group does it, yet helpful, selfless and refreshing when another group does the exact same thing.

I think europeans need to find a more trickier way to exploit people, the old one already exposed, they can't be that stupid to keep using the same tactic over and over again

Yea its true but i think their numbered days are over. Rem trade between China and Africa during last year was worth us dollar 107 billion while that of USA was 104. What does this mean? are their days not over?

Hypothetical questions like this are really difficult to answer.

If China were the world's only superpower my guess is that it would definitely be involved in certain global conflicts. Just different ones than the US.

Hey African, don't listen to those idiots like generazion or forummember. China has always had friendly relations with African countries which were mutually beneficial. China has never imposed its values on Africa and has always respected its sovereignty. Throughout history, except for the last 200 years China has always been the centre of the global economy. Even during the Ming dynasty when our military power far exceeded that of any other nation, when our naval fleets were the envy of the world, we did not set forth in a disgusting programme of colonisation in Africa. We did not enslave people and consider them inferior because they were of a different race. As long as there is goodwill amongst the people of China and Africa then there will be more economic prosperity to come. There will always be people like generazion who try spread hatred but we must not let them succeed. I believe the relationship between our two peoples will be further enhanced as the world moves away from Amercian unilateralism and may the Chinese-African development model serve as an example to others on how people of different races can prosper together in a shared world.

White people always pose as other ethnic groups on the internet and try to stir up conflicts. It's really sad.

Chinese dont want to rule anyone nor want to save someone for some stupid "-ism", just common business.

Hey Tianjinking, infact Generazion who was banned last year sends many warning messages to me but I think he wastes his energy on all this with his friend forummember. China is a true friend and true friends can comfortably do business together. Look at what America and their puppets are doing to Kenya. They are cancelling vizas to our key ministers on the side of President kibaki in order to intimidate the President who firmly refused to be their puppets. Americans and their puppet states should pray hard that I do not one day become the president of Kenya.

Americans will do stuff like that, they often register on various websites and pretend to be Chinese, antagonizing everyone from the Japanese to Papuans.



They do, it's media brainwashing, outsourcing snobbery, self-aggrandizement, lies, money laundering and other forms of neo-imperialism.

what interesting is why do the americans keep doing the same trick? it already exposed!, geez do they think people really are that stupid?

They think everyone is stupid.