This is a couple weeks old, but would like to post it here anyway. Since i've been away for a long time.

An insert of the Article.

BANLUNG, Cambodia : While Vietnamese Montagnards fleeing repression at home play cat and mouse with police in Cambodia's dense jungles, villagers here have bravely risked arrest by helping the desperate refugees.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp.../102520/1/.html


A Vietnamese woman refugee sits with a child in a market in Banlung

What do you guys think of the Montagnards?
Do you feel pain for them?

Well they were against us in the Vietnam War and helped the U.S. So they definetly didn't care about the independance of the Vietnam War. And we were the victors. In war the losers usually get consequences.

But I think we should forgive them. I believe they helped the U.S because they were hoping the U.S would make Central Vietnam a Montagnard country for them. So I will forgive them, but no independant country for them.

Is that the sole reason why they are being treated so badly?

I don't understand why you use "we" and "they", are they not Vietnamese?

What is the difference between a normal vietnamese and a Montagnard vietnamese?

What was the point of the Vietnam war, was it for independence as you mentioned here Byron? I'm not quite sure on this one, so please inform me

The difference is that they're not related to Vietnamese by blood. Their Nationality is Vietnamese but their Ethnicity is not.

Montagnards are not the same people as Vietnamese. Different genes, different culture. They are genetically more related to Austranesians than Vietnamese people. They used to be minorities of the Cham Kingdom before we took it over.

Basically they are as different as white settlers are to native Indians though.



To free Vietnam from American imperialism and reunite the country that America separated.

So you don't consider them as Vietnamese all.

I thought the Vietnam war had something to do with communism.

Was Vietnam's past situation the same as what Korea is right now? I don't think it could be that bad, where the north hated the south etc.

It's a long story....

Please excuse my door knob brother byron. Even though he’s a Google graduate like my si fu, he still has lots to learn. He grew up in Canada. Last time I saw him jump up and down like a monkey trying to gung ho for the “winner of Vietnam war.” But I am very sure that he knows nothing about Vietnam. I am very sorry.

Montagnards ARE Vietnamese. In fact, they are more Vietnamese than Byron the Google graduate Canadian kid. (haha j/k there my dear viet bros) They are members of various ethnic groups that account for 12 percent of the total population. We call them generally “Nguoi Thuong.” The Viet tribe, called “Nguoi Kinh”, constitutes the largest ethnic group in Viet Nam and account for about 88 percent of Vietnam’s total population

There are 54 different tribes living in Vietnam. I list them according to population as follow:

1 Viet 2 Tay 3 Thai
4 Hoa (Han) 5 Kho-me 6 Muong
7 Nung 8 Hmong (Meo) 9 Dao
10 Gia Rai 11 Ngai 12 E De
13 Ba Na 14 Xo Dang 15 San Chay (San Chi)
16 Co O 17 Cham 18 San Diu
19 Hre 20 Mnong 21 Ra Glai
22 Xtieng 23 Bru (Va Kieu) 24 Tho
25 Giay 26 You Tu 27 Gieo Trieng
28 Ma 29 Kho Mu 30 Co O
31 Ta Oi 32 Cho Ro 33 Khang
34 Xinh Mun 35 Ha Nhi 36 Chu Ru
37 Lao 38 La Chi 39 La Ha
40 Phu La 41 La Hu 42 Lu
43 Lo Lo 4 Hoa (Han) 44 Chut 45 Mang
46 Pa Then 47 Co Lao 48 Cong
49 Bo Y 50 Si La 51 Pu Peo
52 Brau 53 O Du 54 Ro Mam

The Montagnards live in Central Highland. Depends on where they live along Truong Son mountain, they could be the Gia Rai, E Ed, Ba Na, or Hre tribe, and more.

After oppression against Montagnards in 2001 exposed to the world, Viet Communist government had promoted one man from Northern Vietnam Nung tribe to run the country. His name is Nong Duc Manh. They wanted to show the world that they don’t discriminate against ethnic Vietnamese.

Nevertheless, Viet government intention is to confiscate Montagnards rich ancestral lands in Central Highland for their benefit.

Yea, i was about to say..most of those montagnards are more Vietnamese than Byron will ever be

i used to live in Dalat where there are a small population of mongtanards , i talked to some kids and man i dont know what is happening to them now .... i dont really care about they helped the US or whatever , i really feel bad for them . I sometimes put myself in their situation and the Hmong situation in Laos , whew i'd rather die really ........

I must agree with this.

Hmm, not I can't imagine the patriot Byron attacking VN though.. but those Mountoners did and probably will ...

Sleeping with the enemy is no patriot :genius:

Whois sleeping with the enemy???

Take a guess

You mean Byron and the Viet communist???

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NO, that's not what I mean and you know it. Unless you're having a pea for a brain.
Do you think anything justifies the tearing of the motherland apart?

The point is they are also Vietnamese people and they are more Vietnamese than you could ever be. They speak Vietnamese, eat Vietnamese, breath Vietnamese air, listen to Vietnamese music etc.

Now show me your Vietnamese-ness.

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Surprise I knew you would say that. You know what, I have a Vietnamese friend yet he says he's an Australian, not a Vietnamese and he doesn't owe anything to the Motherland.

You're not a true Vietnamese just because the Vietnamese blood runs inside you. To be a true Vietnamese, you have to breath it, embrace it and love it. I don't see any of that from you.

Have you made an effort in learning Chu Quoc Ngu, have you made an effort to learn about Vietnamese history, culture and traditions for other purposes beside Khmer-bashing? Have you been to Vietnam and fell in love with it?


Have you?

Byron just got PWNED by his fellow viet

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Give me a break Byron. It's laughable that you think you're more Vietnamese than me just because you're "100%" Vietnamese.

Do you appreciate Vietnamese culture?
Do you appreciate traditional Vietnamese and classical/imperial music?
Do you speak Vietnamese?
Do you write Vietnamese?
Have you been to Vietnam?
Have you seen how beautiful the Motherland is?
Have you spoken and mingled with the true Vietnamese people?

HAVE YOU DONE ANYTHING FOR VIETNAM?

And don't compare my 1/2 Vietnamese to your full Vietnamese. There has been so many Vietnamese traitors that you couldn't count with all strands of hair on your head.

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ooh ooh another question should be: Are you either christian or buddhist..

Byron is 100% vietnamese..... CANADIAN-BORN Vietnamese that is..

i wanna see a pic of byron to prove he is actual viet : )

Doesn't matter where your born. I'm Vietnamese.

Your DNA is 100% Vietnamese. How did you get that DNA test? The E.P.T home pregnacey test? Are you sure? Did you see 3 pictures of Pho on the test strip or 2 picture of Pho and a Lemon?

To me Byron is a true Patroit ... much more than those pure blooded Hoas, KK, former south Vietnamese, Mountaneers... He said he would die to defend the mother land.. unlike some of those whom I just mentioned.. would die to tear the mother land apart :genius:

A true patriot that lives in Canada.

Yes not uncommon or unbelievable... there are lots of foreign born Cambodians who love their motherland , No?? There are tons of Canadian born Chinese as well who would sacrificed themselves for the motherland if the day ever came.... :genius:

It's rather absurd how he's thinking that he's more of a Vietnamese than I would ever be. Vietnamese is not just about the physical state, it's a state of mind, the mentality.

If he's truly appreciating his Vietnamese heritage then I suggest he at least try to learn Vietnamese, read and experience more about the true Vietnamese culture, history and traditions.

It doesn't help if all you're doing to show your Vietnamese-ness is Khmer-bashing.

Its one thing saying that he would die to defend his country, but in reality i don't think this would be the case. Reading some of his post, i come to the conclusion that he will only defend his country only if the odds are with him, other wise he would cower away.

For instance, if there was an argument with any khmer member he would gladly defend his country. But when the Chinese attack, he would gladly be their lap dog.

Different people will tell you different things. Byron represents the vietnamese communist point of view. They spin it as the fight for independence. Independence from what! South Vietnamese believed it was a fight for democratic society and better life for the people.

Well, the montagnard are Vietnamese. Vietnamese is a mix of different people anyway so what is the definition of a pure Vietnamese. I see the Montagnard culture as a subculture in the Vietnamese heritage but otherwise I can't see the different. But the communists apparently do.

Yeah, But those Cambodians are mostly againts the communist government behind a democratic mask. To me they are patriots, but to Cambodian government they are a security risk.

And Byron, based on his post is pro-communist for Vietnam. So his patriotism depends on who you ask. Why live freely in Democratic country and support a communist government at the same time? Don't you find that puzzling?

Well, the communist do keep the country peaceful you know... remember the Soviet Union?? it was peacefull... now with the communist gone... that area is now a war zone...

We need to provide thse Montagnards the same rights as Vietnamese Kinh citizens, or else we'll be in [huge] trouble.

You are kidding me. Remember Afganhistan? It's a warzone for ages with the Chechen. Most Russians don't like Communists.

I said the Soviet Union not afghanistan..... they were two different countries

um my dear bros, I think you and my si fu are alike. Soviet Union invaded Afghan back then. The Soviet-Afghan war went on and on for years... US helped Bin Laden to fight that war. For Russian, it wasn't peaceful back then than it's now.

I meant the USSR they kept their country at peace.... after the split.. the former country regions started fighting.. eg.. Chechnia, Georgia.. Armenia ect..... forget afghanistan it was not part of their country of the USSR..........

I've been away on a trip, and I come back to read this...lol...such good times on AF.


I just find it very ironic Byron would refer to himself as the victor in the Viet Nam War when he's living in Canada as a refugee.