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qwe123
I think it should.
It encourages people to put their faith before their nation/people
It should be outlawed.
Hitoro
yeah right! out law religion means devastation to vietnam. another civil war. What makes people if know one has no faith?
SoCal
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Oct 9 2008, 10:31 PM) [snapback]3958937[/snapback]
I think it should.
It encourages people to put their faith before their nation/people
It should be outlawed.



Do you know that Communism is also another form of religion, similar to Confucianism, Catholicism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.?
qwe123
QUOTE(SoCal @ Oct 10 2008, 07:26 AM) [snapback]3959199[/snapback]
Do you know that Communism is also another form of religion, similar to Confucianism, Catholicism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.?


stupid monkey
religion is a form of beliefs that centralized a higher being and divinity e.g god

Buddhism and Confucianism are not religions.
why? because they do not believe in any higher being
theyre a set of guidance and advice
Buddha never said he was god, nor his follower
no where in Buddhist books say that he was a god

Confucianism is a set of guidance that Confucius wrote to teach human how to live their lives
e.g people have to be loyal to the king, the king have to be loyal to the people
children must respect their elders

how is communism a religion?
in that case, capitalism is the official of USA now?

SoCal
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Oct 10 2008, 05:48 AM) [snapback]3959214[/snapback]
stupid monkey
religion is a form of beliefs that centralized a higher being and divinity e.g god

Buddhism and Confucianism are not religions.
why? because they do not believe in any higher being
theyre a set of guidance and advice
Buddha never said he was god, nor his follower
no where in Buddhist books say that he was a god

Confucianism is a set of guidance that Confucius wrote to teach human how to live their lives
e.g people have to be loyal to the king, the king have to be loyal to the people
children must respect their elders

how is communism a religion?
in that case, capitalism is the official of USA now?



Tieu De Piggy Chu Bat Gioi icon_smile.gif

Communism was found by Karl Marx, whose ancestry was Jewish.

Lenin also had some Jewish background.

Therefore, we can conclude that Vietnam and China, whose Communism ideology are also Jewish.

Use your brains and do your own research diligently icon_smile.gif
qwe123
QUOTE(SoCal @ Oct 10 2008, 07:57 AM) [snapback]3959216[/snapback]
Tieu De Piggy Chu Bat Gioi icon_smile.gif
Communism was found by Karl Marx, whose ancestry was Jewish.
Lenin also had some Jewish background.
Therefore, we can conclude that Vietnam and China, whose Communism ideology are also Jewish.
Use your brains and do your own research diligently icon_smile.gif


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youre embarrassing us with your monkey intelligence
SoCal
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Oct 10 2008, 06:04 AM) [snapback]3959220[/snapback]
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youre embarrassing us with your monkey intelligence



Tieu De Piggy icon_smile.gif

Can you handle the truth?
qwe123
QUOTE(SoCal @ Oct 10 2008, 08:05 AM) [snapback]3959221[/snapback]
Tieu De Piggy icon_smile.gif

Can you handle the truth?


how is communism a religion?
does it centralize a higher being or divinity?
SoCal
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Oct 10 2008, 06:13 AM) [snapback]3959227[/snapback]
how is communism a religion?
does it centralize a higher being or divinity?



Tieu De Piggy icon_smile.gif

Don't be a simpleton. Use your brains to think.

Communism also worships the abstract concept of a higher society, which religions emphasize in their teachings.
qwe123
QUOTE(SoCal @ Oct 10 2008, 08:15 AM) [snapback]3959230[/snapback]
Tieu De Piggy icon_smile.gif

Don't be a simpleton. Use your brains to think.

Communism also worships the abstract concept of a higher society, which religions emphasize in their teachings.


đồng chí này đúng là ngu hết thuốc chữa

religion believes IN A HIGHER BEING AND DIVINITY
their ideas are revolve around a centralized divine figure
all followers are to surrender themselves to that centralized and divine figure

communism DOESNT! communism believes in social equality and classlessness.
no one is divine, no one is centralized and no one is more important and any others
SoCal
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Oct 10 2008, 06:23 AM) [snapback]3959233[/snapback]
đồng chí này đúng là ngu hết thuốc chữa

religion believes IN A HIGHER BEING AND DIVINITY
their ideas are revolve around a centralized divine figure
all followers are to surrender themselves to that centralized and divine figure

communism DOESNT! communism believes in social equality and classlessness.
no one is divine, no one is centralized and no one is more important and any others



Tieu De Piggy icon_smile.gif


Take your time to learn more. Don't let stupidity and ignorance overwhelm you.
qwe123
QUOTE(SoCal @ Oct 10 2008, 08:27 AM) [snapback]3959236[/snapback]
Tieu De Piggy icon_smile.gif
Take your time to learn more. Don't let stupidity and ignorance overwhelm you.


can you contradict my statements?
you cant, so you used stupid tricks such as this to distract people from seeing your stupidity.

ForestGuardian
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Oct 10 2008, 01:31 AM) [snapback]3958937[/snapback]
I think it should.
It encourages people to put their faith before their nation/people
It should be outlawed.

I disagree.

Religion can be an asset. Many good moral is rooted in religion. You don't want to throw that away. You'll regret it.

However, the problem is some people abuse religion. They used it for their political causes. They used it to spy on government or their political rival. They used it to spread propaganda.... .In these circumstances, I agreed that religion should be banned. It is no longer an asset. It has no credibility .... . Who would want to learn anything from that?
qwe123
QUOTE(ForestGuardian @ Oct 10 2008, 08:31 AM) [snapback]3959242[/snapback]
I disagree.

Religion can be an asset. Many good moral is rooted in religion. You don't want to throw that away. You'll regret it.

However, the problem is some people abuse religion. They used it for their political causes. They used it to spy on government or their political rival. They used it to spread propaganda.... .In these circumstances, I agreed that religion should be banned. It is no longer an asset. It has no credibility .... . Who would want to learn anything from that?


religion dehumanizes humans, centralizes one self-proclaimed higher being, materializes women and segregate the human race from being one.
women according to the Bible are objects of men, no one is more higher than jesus, the self-proclaimed divine being.

it should be outlawed! be outstripped ! and be EXPELLED!!!!!! from the society!!!!!
ForestGuardian
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Oct 10 2008, 09:41 AM) [snapback]3959247[/snapback]
religion dehumanizes humans, centralizes one self-proclaimed higher being, materializes women and segregate the human race from being one.
women according to the Bible are objects of men, no one is more higher than jesus, the self-proclaimed divine being.

Yeah, but how do you know it isn't as it said?
qwe123
QUOTE(ForestGuardian @ Oct 10 2008, 08:51 AM) [snapback]3959257[/snapback]
Yeah, but how do you know it isn't as it said?


its written in the Bible
even the Pope and the Vatican said so
theyre against their priests getting married
theyre against marriage to an outsider of catholic
theyre against abortion, women's right, etc

RELIGION MUST BE EXPELLED!!!
ForestGuardian
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Oct 10 2008, 09:54 AM) [snapback]3959258[/snapback]
its written in the Bible
even the Pope and the Vatican said so
theyre against their priests getting married
theyre against marriage to an outsider of catholic
theyre against abortion, women's right, etc

RELIGION MUST BE EXPELLED!!!

Hey, I am talking about real religious reference, not fake.

There is no such thing as pope or Vatican in a real bible, but if you want to ban it based on people tampering with the reference materials, count me in. I hated that type of craps.
unattractiveguy
QUOTE(ForestGuardian @ Oct 10 2008, 08:57 AM) [snapback]3959259[/snapback]
Hey, I am talking about real religious reference, not fake.

There is no such thing as pope or Vatican in a real bible, but if you want to ban it based on people tampering with the reference materials, count me it. I hated that type of craps.


Yea....I'm not so fond of the whole catholic scene either.
ForestGuardian
Yep, if you can't keep it clean, get rid of it. That way it will not spread disease and infected society.
Happy Asian
It should depend on the religion, those that uses brainwashing tactics and force conversion should be outlawed completely. In that context Christianity would fall right into the category.
ForestGuardian
No shiet, there is nothing that I could hate more than the Missionary. They go all over the world and Indochina to draft poor and desperate children into their club using food and shelter as lure. To me this is no difference from a pedophile luring poor and desperate children for sex with cash. Why can they help without string attached? I though that would be a noble thing to do, and let the children decide on their own free will as they grow up. They have neither patient nor faith. Where do these fools got their idea from?
asean.asia
Catholics have higher ambition than just "brainwashing tactics and force conversion". They are advancing toward politics, so they might one day become the government of VN. Just the fact they use their church/mass time to talk about politics, their ambition is like a well with no end.kiss.gif
vietnam

embarassedlaugh.gif

Hài văi. The one religion that needs to be stamped out in VN because of its falsehood is pumped up one more notch by the government. bowdown.gif Hey, anyone here competed for it ?????

http://tintuc.timnhanh.com/kieu_bao/20080928/35A8461C/

Happy Asian
QUOTE(asean.asia @ Oct 11 2008, 11:40 AM) [snapback]3959745[/snapback]
Catholics have higher ambition than just "brainwashing tactics and force conversion". They are advancing toward politics, so they might one day become the government of VN. Just the fact they use their church/mass time to talk about politics, their ambition is like a well with no end.kiss.gif

I simply couldn't argue with you on that point, there is no word in any human languages to describe the extent of their greed. thumbsdown.gif
Happy Asian
QUOTE(ForestGuardian @ Oct 11 2008, 11:35 AM) [snapback]3959738[/snapback]
No shiet, there is nothing that I could hate more than the Missionary. They go all over the world and Indochina to draft poor and desperate children into their club using food and shelter as lure. To me this is no difference from a pedophile luring poor and desperate children for sex with cash. Why can they help without string attached? I though that would be a noble thing to do, and let the children decide on their own free will as they grow up. They have neither patient nor faith. Where do these fools got their idea from?

To answer that question I would say the Vatican laugh.gif . And you know why the Christains can't help the poor VietNamese without strings attached? Its really simple, Christian values run counter to the beliefs of the local culture, so only the most desperate people would abandon their values in return for a carrot.
ForestGuardian
I won't doubt it a moment.
vietnam
Here come the Catholic bashers...... The real savors of the poors and desperated children of Indochina. embarassedlaugh.gif Never mind that Polpot, Mao, and you-know-who had been responsible for millions upon millions of deaths in those countries.

If you want to trash-talking them, there are pleinty of writings doing that from people who actually think. You don't have to reinvent the wheel.

Yawn...

jose cuervo
QUOTE(vietnam @ Oct 10 2008, 10:15 PM) [snapback]3959948[/snapback]
Here come the Catholic bashers...... The real savors of the poors and desperated children of Indochina. embarassedlaugh.gif Never mind that Polpot, Mao, and you-know-who had been responsible for millions upon millions of deaths in those countries.

If you want to trash-talking them, there are pleinty of writings doing that from people who actually think. You don't have to reinvent the wheel.

Yawn...


No wonder, You're a Vietnamese Catholic. I've noticed only Vietnamese Catholics are the most hardcore supporters of the VNCH. They praise, the Ngo family as if they were the greatest heroes in Vietnamese history. laugh.gif

Not only that but the Viet Catholics only would fight the communists from the safety of their host nation. The first ones to flee while the RVN regime was collapsing was mainly Viet Catholics. No one's going to respect that! embarassedlaugh.gif


qwe123
QUOTE(vietnam @ Oct 11 2008, 12:15 AM) [snapback]3959948[/snapback]
Here come the Catholic bashers...... The real savors of the poors and desperated children of Indochina. embarassedlaugh.gif Never mind that Polpot, Mao, and you-know-who had been responsible for millions upon millions of deaths in those countries.

If you want to trash-talking them, there are pleinty of writings doing that from people who actually think. You don't have to reinvent the wheel.

Yawn...


catholic was originally used by the French colonists to convert Vietnamese and divided the people.
and they succeed! thats why we have people like Ngo DInh Diem, Nguyen Van Thieu, and now the Hoa Thuong (forgot his name)
and of course the lil kid vietnam
kiss.gif
ForestGuardian
QUOTE(vietnam @ Oct 11 2008, 01:15 AM) [snapback]3959948[/snapback]
Here come the Catholic bashers...... The real savors of the poors and desperated children of Indochina. embarassedlaugh.gif Never mind that Polpot, Mao, and you-know-who had been responsible for millions upon millions of deaths in those countries.

If you want to trash-talking them, there are pleinty of writings doing that from people who actually think. You don't have to reinvent the wheel.

Yawn...

Frankly, I am a pro-religion (big time), broh, but what these missionary people are doing is overboard. To me, it appear like a business hiding behind religion. They have to report back to someone for their accomplishment as a corporate officials reported progress to higher up ... . If that is what they are, they should declared it as a business, non-profit or whatever, and not hiding behind the true precious religion and destroying it as a consequence.

And when you are not honest, I mean you hide behind religion, bushes, or whatever, people become skeptical, and before you know it, their imagination turned wild, but who fault is that?
Henry123
IMO The only religion that shouldnt be outlaw are traditional religions like shamanism. All foriegn religions like christianity should go to hell.
ForestGuardian
I agree so long they have a mean in place to keep politician from abusing it, and that is not an easy task. The immoral power thirst and hungry politicians doesn't have any regard for anything.
DMLH
Chuyện tôn giáo ở VN đă có nhà nước VN lo! Mấy anh Ba Tàu lo cho đất tổ các anh trước đi.

Chiêu xưa như trái đất.
ForestGuardian
People who commented in foreign language can't be trusted. They try to hide something because they are afraid that other foreigners will find flaws in their comment.

I don't think you want to go that direction, bro. If you can write English, do it, and let everyone see what are you talking about. Sometime, you may get bashed, sometime they agreed with you, and sometime they complemented you, but they will not shoot you.
vietnam
QUOTE(jose cuervo @ Oct 11 2008, 02:01 AM) [snapback]3960013[/snapback]
No wonder, You're a Vietnamese Catholic. I've noticed only Vietnamese Catholics are the most hardcore supporters of the VNCH. They praise, the Ngo family as if they were the greatest heroes in Vietnamese history. laugh.gif

Not only that but the Viet Catholics only would fight the communists from the safety of their host nation. The first ones to flee while the RVN regime was collapsing was mainly Viet Catholics. No one's going to respect that! embarassedlaugh.gif

embarassedlaugh.gif

WRONG!!! I am a Buddist + thờ ông bà....... I just hate jerks who were too quick at blaming everything on the Catholics in VN for all the wrong reasons. Thus, digging deeper the hatred/misunderstanding between the people of VN for their own political gains.

I also hate foreign jerks who knew nothing of the Viet culture, but decided to offer their 2-cents anyway on VF. I would recommend such persons to take Viet language lessons given by Xigon before even venturing into subjects like democracy and religious conflict in VN. It's way over their heads.

asean.asia
^ No. 'vietnam' could be a cham boy, mien boy, and any other ethnic boy. Saying that he's vietnamese because he knows how to speak/read vietnamese is a big booboo. 'vietnam' philosophy is to side with anyone/any group that goes against the government of VN. Am I right, 'vietnam' kiss.gif
ltk
QUOTE(asean.asia @ Oct 11 2008, 12:25 PM) [snapback]3960314[/snapback]
^ No. 'vietnam' could be a cham boy, mien boy, and any other ethnic boy. Saying that he's vietnamese because he knows how to speak/read vietnamese is a big booboo. 'vietnam' philosophy is to side with anyone/any group that goes against the government of VN. Am I right, 'vietnam' kiss.gif

The anti-Vietnam government groups even support the Montagard who seek independent from Vietnam, and bashing Vietnam government for not supporting Tibet. thumbsdown.gif

But few knows that it's in Vietnam's interest to not support Tibet or Kosovo because if Vietnam support separatism, Vietnam also support granting independent to separatists of Vietnam as well. thumbsdown.gif
vietnam
QUOTE(asean.asia @ Oct 11 2008, 12:25 PM) [snapback]3960314[/snapback]
^ No. 'vietnam' could be a cham boy, mien boy, and any other ethnic boy. Saying that he's vietnamese because he knows how to speak/read vietnamese is a big booboo. 'vietnam' philosophy is to side with anyone/any group that goes against the government of VN. Am I right, 'vietnam' kiss.gif


WRONG, again..... embarassedlaugh.gif


asean.asia
'vietnam' likes me. This can't be wrong. kiss.gif
ForestGuardian
QUOTE(vietnam @ Oct 11 2008, 01:22 PM) [snapback]3960311[/snapback]
I also hate foreign jerks who knew nothing of the Viet culture, but decided to offer their 2-cents anyway on VF. I would recommend such persons to take Viet language lessons given by Xigon before even venturing into subjects like democracy and religious conflict in VN. It's way over their heads.

That is the stupidest thing I ever heard off. Xigon afraid of negative comment about Vietnam, that is all. So to prevent people from commenting on Vietnam, she used that stupid excuse. The truth is, it doesn't matter what culture you are. You are sad when your family is sick. You are happy when your family is doing well. You eat when you are hungry.... Like I said before. You needn't be on the moon, to know what the moon is like. And some people also know more about the moon than astronauts who have been there.
qwe123
QUOTE(vietnam @ Oct 11 2008, 12:22 PM) [snapback]3960311[/snapback]
embarassedlaugh.gif

WRONG!!! I am a Buddist + thờ ông bà....... I just hate jerks who were too quick at blaming everything on the Catholics in VN for all the wrong reasons. Thus, digging deeper the hatred/misunderstanding between the people of VN for their own political gains.

I also hate foreign jerks who knew nothing of the Viet culture, but decided to offer their 2-cents anyway on VF. I would recommend such persons to take Viet language lessons given by Xigon before even venturing into subjects like democracy and religious conflict in VN. It's way over their heads.


tell me, is Buddha considered a god in Buddhism?
vietnam
Did some foreigner just said he is more knowlegable than the Viets on certain subjects?! There is enough stupidity in this thread.
qwe123
QUOTE(vietnam @ Oct 11 2008, 10:41 PM) [snapback]3961033[/snapback]
Did some foreigner just said he is more knowlegable than the Viets on certain subjects?! There is enough stupidity in this thread.


hes still better than you
ForestGuardian
QUOTE(vietnam @ Oct 11 2008, 11:41 PM) [snapback]3961033[/snapback]
Did some foreigner just said he is more knowlegable than the Viets on certain subjects?! There is enough stupidity in this thread.

Well, if Viet people know about Viet as much as you fantasizing. There would never been any war in Vietnam. Usually, when people know they have problem they can fix it, but a lot people (including Viet) doesn't know that they have problem, and that is why sometime they created more problem instead of reducing problem. Therefore, there are foreigner that know about other aspect of Viet that Viet doesn't know yet. Comprendro?

PS: sometime the best doctor to save Viet is a foreign doctor.
Englanda
QUOTE(asean.asia @ Oct 11 2008, 12:25 PM) [snapback]3960314[/snapback]
^ No. 'vietnam' could be a cham boy, mien boy, and any other ethnic boy. Saying that he's vietnamese because he knows how to speak/read vietnamese is a big booboo. 'vietnam' philosophy is to side with anyone/any group that goes against the government of VN. Am I right, 'vietnam' kiss.gif

"đứng ngoài đái vào trong"?
vietnam
QUOTE(asean.asia @ Oct 11 2008, 12:25 PM) [snapback]3960314[/snapback]
^ No. 'vietnam' could be a cham boy, mien boy, and any other ethnic boy. Saying that he's vietnamese because he knows how to speak/read vietnamese is a big booboo. 'vietnam' philosophy is to side with anyone/any group that goes against the government of VN. Am I right, 'vietnam' kiss.gif



Are you a Chinese, speaking Vnamese comrade? embarassedlaugh.gif There is also a Chinese Khmer floating around somewhere thinking he is the cure for the problems between the Viets. embarassedlaugh.gif

I told you once before, and I'll say it again.....I am a Kinh ethnic, from a stock much better than yours. Get it?!
asean.asia
Yeah. And I'm your grandfather. Say Ong noi di con. kiss.gif

QUOTE(vietnam @ Oct 12 2008, 10:23 AM) [snapback]3961616[/snapback]
I told you once before, and I'll say it again.....I am a Kinh ethnic, from a stock much better than yours. Get it?!

vietnam
hehehe..
Khi xưa cụ kị nhà mày c̣n đang đóng khố để cày ruộng th́ cụ kị nhà tao đă có tên trong lịch sử văn học Việt Nam. Thế nhé. embarassedlaugh.gif


Bố mày bảo vậy.
Gene
The Chinese government has already outlawed recarnation (for Tibetan). Vietnam is lacking behind...

But I must say, I rather be a religious spiritual man than a bunch of bigot insecure idiots.
qwe123
QUOTE(vietnam @ Oct 12 2008, 10:47 AM) [snapback]3961638[/snapback]
hehehe..
Khi xưa cụ kị nhà mày c̣n đang đóng khố để cày ruộng th́ cụ kị nhà tao đă có tên trong lịch sử văn học Việt Nam. Thế nhé. embarassedlaugh.gif
Bố mày bảo vậy.


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