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qwe123
Beside his inspirational speeches, the guys naive gentleman.
We need a leader that will give us security, not hope.
We need a leader that will give us greater economic growth, not tax cuts.

To all of you that are against the war in the Middle East and think the US is wasting times and lives there.
How dare you dissed on what 3000 US soldiers have died for?
They died liberating an oppressed nation

DOWN WITH OBAMA!
BrooklynCarter
YEAH GO MCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!!! ^^
Tav6
OBAMA WILL BE PREZ
Kaosq
With somebody like Palin as his running mate, McCain is toast. embarassedlaugh.gif
qwe123
QUOTE(Tav6 @ Oct 6 2008, 11:07 PM) [snapback]3954364[/snapback]
OBAMA WILL BE PREZ


i want economic growth NOT tax cuts
it will do jack
jose cuervo
President Baker should be somewhere to the south of where you blasted through the wall. Hurry and save him before the terrorists discover his code.
Tav6
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Oct 6 2008, 09:25 PM) [snapback]3954388[/snapback]
i want economic growth NOT tax cuts
it will do jack



economic growth??? you think bush's economic plan is working???? cause mccain economic plan is exactly like bush's

if you really want economic growth then Obama is your ONLY option icon_wink.gif
jose cuervo
I will triumph over the Patriots and liberate us all! And we will become the Sons of Liberty!
Kaosq
If you're going to vote for McCain, move to Ohio or one of those battleground states where your vote will actually make a difference. It's pretty much a given California and the West Coast is going to vote Democrat.
qwe123
QUOTE(Tav6 @ Oct 6 2008, 11:31 PM) [snapback]3954398[/snapback]
economic growth??? you think bush's economic plan is working???? cause mccain economic plan is exactly like bush's

if you really want economic growth then Obama is your ONLY option icon_wink.gif


you know whats the first thing Obama will do
increase tax to "help" the poor
this will put more burden on our economy
how can our economy grows?


Tav6
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Oct 6 2008, 09:38 PM) [snapback]3954412[/snapback]
you know whats the first thing Obama will do
increase tax to "help" the poor
this will put more burden on our economy
how can our economy grows?



obama's economic plan is some what like Bill Clinton's plan and when Bill clinton was prez ... the US has surplus $$ so it proved that it works before biggthumpup.gif
asean.asia
No, I want McCain, because I know McCain will start WW III. I do hope to see WW III before I leave this home planet Earth. kiss.gif

Please feel for me, because I wasn't there to witness WWI and WWII. kiss.gif kiss.gif
qwe123
QUOTE(Tav6 @ Oct 6 2008, 11:50 PM) [snapback]3954424[/snapback]
obama's economic plan is some what like Bill Clinton's plan and when Bill clinton was prez ... the US has surplus $$ so it proved that it works before biggthumpup.gif


clinton favoured business, obama doesnt
asean.asia
You wish. Unless you turn to a girl, then Obama will become President. kiss.gif

QUOTE(Tav6 @ Oct 6 2008, 11:07 PM) [snapback]3954364[/snapback]
OBAMA WILL BE PREZ

jose cuervo
If you can't put the past behind you, you won't survive long
bluedestiny
What happen to my reply, it disappeared.
Let me rewrite this.
We want the US back to what it was before 2000, where the US $1 = 1.3 Euro, where Americans have excess cashes to spend. We want to have a balance budget in government spending during Clinton's term instead of a deficit by the end of 2008. So what we need is OBAMA.
By giving a tax break on the lower class, that would stimulate the economy by encouraging the poorer to spend and put more money into the market. That's where all the money come from.

I don't know how you find McCain's speech inspiration, he stuttered and didn't responded well to the debates against Obama. Especially, we wouldn't want Palin to be VP with no international diplomat experience.
Tav6
QUOTE(bluedestiny @ Oct 6 2008, 10:12 PM) [snapback]3954460[/snapback]
What happen to my reply, it disappeared.
Let me rewrite this.
We want the US back to what it was before 2000, where the US $1 = 1.3 Euro, where Americans have excess cashes to spend. We want to have a balance budget in government spending during Clinton's term instead of a deficit by the end of 2008. So what we need is OBAMA.
By giving a tax break on the lower class, that would stimulate the economy by encouraging the poorer to spend and put more money into the market. That's where all the money come from.

I don't know how you find McCain's speech inspiration, he stuttered and didn't responded well to the debates against Obama. Especially, we wouldn't want Palin to be VP with no international diplomat experience.

biggthumpup.gif beerchug.gif
Kaosq
QUOTE(bluedestiny @ Oct 6 2008, 10:12 PM) [snapback]3954460[/snapback]
What happen to my reply, it disappeared.
Let me rewrite this.
We want the US back to what it was before 2000, where the US $1 = 1.3 Euro, where Americans have excess cashes to spend. We want to have a balance budget in government spending during Clinton's term instead of a deficit by the end of 2008. So what we need is OBAMA.
By giving a tax break on the lower class, that would stimulate the economy by encouraging the poorer to spend and put more money into the market. That's where all the money come from.

I don't know how you find McCain's speech inspiration, he stuttered and didn't responded well to the debates against Obama . Especially, we wouldn't want Palin to be VP with no international diplomat experience.

Yea, I noticed that too. I honestly don't get why people said he did well in the debate. He seemed like a nervous wreck compared to Obama.
Tav6
honestly i want obama to win but i don't know if he can win .... since i don't think white americans are ready for a black prez yet ..... white voters said that they will support obama but who knows who they will vote for in private
Kaosq
I think he can. All the stupid crap Palin says is going to backfire on McCain. If it doesn't, I will seriously start to doubt Americans' intelligence even more.
Tav6
^^ I hope so beerchug.gif


but i already know how stupid americans are since the day Bush became the prez for the 2nd term bawling.gif
jose cuervo
QUOTE(Kaosq @ Oct 6 2008, 10:30 PM) [snapback]3954477[/snapback]
I think he can. All the stupid crap Palin says is going to backfire on McCain. If it doesn't, I will seriously start to doubt Americans' intelligence even more.


If Americans were smart, Ron Paul would have won the Republican nomination and would eventually win the presidency by a landslide.

XigonCongchua
McCain made Palin his running mate because he thought he could get the votes from white women or women in general...this is an insult on the intelligence of women because it assumes women are stupid enough to not tell the differences between the two candidates and between the Democrats and the Republicans.
jose cuervo
QUOTE(Tav6 @ Oct 6 2008, 10:26 PM) [snapback]3954474[/snapback]
honestly i want obama to win but i don't know if he can win .... since i don't think white americans are ready for a black prez yet ..... white voters said that they will support obama but who knows who they will vote for in private


I believe that white people should vote for their own. White Protestant men built America with their brain power and leadership, so why should they relinquish their power because of diversity? White people should enjoy the fruits of their ancestors intellectual prowess that turned America into a superpower.. The nation state that is known as USA was built by white Protestant men. Does anyone here thinks that blacks or Hispanics could have made America a superpower? Of course not.

Just like Kinh people are the masters of Vietnam. The Kinh fought for Vietnam, died for it, build it, and is currently turning it into a first world nation with it's rapid economic growth. Would it make sense to have Khmer Kroms or Hoas be in power?

Of course not.

XigonCongchua
nông đức mạnh là người nùng biggrin.gif

nhưng mà người nùng không có nước riêng của họ nên không cần ǵ phải lo...c̣n người hoa với khmer krom có nước riêng của họ nên có lẽ sẽ không ai để họ lên nắm quyền đâu.
asean.asia
^ nguoi dep nhu xixon co nuoc rieng khong kiss.gif kiss.gif kiss.gif
altractiveguy


But You both (jose cuervo and XiGonCongchua) have Chinese blood.

Very funny.
XigonCongchua
I may even have Khmer blood. Should I support the rebellious Khmer Kroms in Vietnam? embarassedlaugh.gif

I think you mis-read my posts. I have nothing against ethnic minorities except the individuals who want their own kingdom in the middle of Vietnam.
altractiveguy
QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Oct 7 2008, 02:09 AM) [snapback]3954566[/snapback]
I may even have Khmer blood. Should I support the rebellious Khmer Kroms in Vietnam? embarassedlaugh.gif


Here's the first part of that Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2qKfnyYb3o&NR=1

Seems like you don't understand what they are doing. They are asking the communist regime of Vietnam to let go of Laos and Cambodia. Because the countries are like under the Hanoi regime's control right now.

Look at their banner

"VietCong Get out of Laos"

I have never heard any VNCH say they support the Khmer Kroms in Vietnam to break away from Vietnam.
asean.asia
^ definitely cannot be a president of vietnam. Next in line. kiss.gif
XigonCongchua
since when did the VNCH care so much about Laos and Cambodia? icon_rolleyes.gif

he called Hanoi "lưu manh" and that is enough for me to despise them. Hanoi is our ancestral land, how dare they say that! and the VNCH is on their side.

many propaganda about ethnic minorities in Vietnam being persecuted are actually spread by VNCH. Why? They hate the communist so they'll do anything.
asean.asia
As a citizen of a country, one has to put the interest of that country first, regardless of right/wrong moral/immoral. I forgot. They are not vietnamese citizens. kiss.gif kiss.gif

QUOTE(altractiveguy @ Oct 7 2008, 02:14 AM) [snapback]3954569[/snapback]
Here's the first part of that Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2qKfnyYb3o&NR=1

Seems like you don't understand what they are doing. They are asking the communist regime of Vietnam to let go of Laos and Cambodia. Because the countries are like under the Hanoi regime's control right now.

Look at their banner

"VietCong Get out of Laos"

I have never heard any VNCH say they support the Khmer Kroms in Vietnam to break away from Vietnam.

jose cuervo
QUOTE(altractiveguy @ Oct 7 2008, 12:05 AM) [snapback]3954563[/snapback]
But You both (jose cuervo and XiGonCongchua) have Chinese blood.

Very funny.


I think I already explained that my cousin also uses this account. He has Chinese blood, I don't.
Ho ho, a hardcore VNCH loyalist talking about this blood or that blood.

I remember the stories of the VNCH using the con lai kids to come over to America, and after that they would kick them to the curb. And they would especially treat the half black half VIet kids the worst.
Talk about hypocrisy.


altractiveguy
QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Oct 7 2008, 02:16 AM) [snapback]3954571[/snapback]
since when did the VNCH care so much about Laos and Cambodia? icon_rolleyes.gif

he called Hanoi "lưu manh" and that is enough for me to despise them. Hanoi is our ancestral land, how dare they say that! and the VNCH is on their side.

many propaganda about ethnic minorities in Vietnam being persecuted are actually spread by VNCH. Why? They hate the communist so they'll do anything.


They mean the Hanoi regime. Like the communists always say the Saigon regime is corrupt ,puppet, "đồi trụy".

They are asking for Laos and Cambodia's freedom. You don't want Laos and Cambodia to be independent?

The minority peoples deserve basic human rights If the regime takes away their basic rights, they have the right to whine.

You may ask why the minority peoples in Vietnam are on the VNCH's side, well it may have something to do with the VNCH having treated them much better.
altractiveguy
QUOTE(jose cuervo @ Oct 7 2008, 02:19 AM) [snapback]3954575[/snapback]
I think I already explained that my cousin also uses this account. He has Chinese blood, I don't.
Ho ho, a hardcore VNCH loyalist talking about this blood or that blood.


I'm not a hardcore VNCH, FYI.

You told XigonCongChua you have chinese blood a while ago.

QUOTE(jose cuervo @ Oct 7 2008, 02:19 AM) [snapback]3954575[/snapback]
I remember the stories of the VNCH using the con lai kids to come over to America, and after that they would kick them to the curb. And they would especially treat the half black half VIet kids the worst.
Talk about hypocrisy.


But you always say they kiss white @$$ ? They love white @$$ so much but how come they kick them to the curb?

Seems like they only kiss whoever's @$$ that can help them, regardless of color, huh?
altractiveguy
QUOTE(asean.asia @ Oct 7 2008, 02:19 AM) [snapback]3954574[/snapback]
As a citizen of a country, one has to put the interest of that country first, regardless of right/wrong moral/immoral. I forgot. They are not vietnamese citizens. kiss.gif kiss.gif


This is the 21st century already. Citizens of a country nowadays don't support their government going around bullying, controlling other peoples. Even the citizens of the U.S.A protest against such acts.
jose cuervo
QUOTE(altractiveguy @ Oct 7 2008, 12:27 AM) [snapback]3954578[/snapback]
I'm not a hardcore VNCH, FYI.

You told XigonCongChua you have chinese blood a while ago.
But you always say they kiss white @$$ ? They love white @$$ so much but how come they kick them to the curb?

Seems like they only kiss whoever's @$$ that can help them, regardless of color, huh?


No I never did tell her I had Chinese blood. I told her of a cousin that had Chinese blood.

I don't know, you tell me why they treated the Con lai so bad? But it's a well known story of how the con lai were used by VNCH families and were discarded like trash once the VNCH family came over to the US. Even the old Saigon regime treated every minority but the Catholics like trash. So it's funny when you make fabrications like the VNCH treated minorities so well and human.



altractiveguy
QUOTE(jose cuervo @ Oct 7 2008, 03:15 AM) [snapback]3954614[/snapback]
No I never did tell her I had Chinese blood. I told her of a cousin that had Chinese blood.

I don't know, you tell me why they treated the Con lai so bad? But it's a well known story of how the con lai were used by VNCH families and were discarded like trash once the VNCH family came over to the US. Even the old Saigon regime treated every minority but the Catholics like trash. So it's funny when you make fabrications like the VNCH treated minorities so well and human.


Man, you don't know what you are talking about. Nguyen Van Thieu was an ethnic Cham and he was the president of South Vietnam.

About the Con Lais... They bought them, make faked documents lying that they were their relatives or adopted childrens so they could get into the U.S. After they arrived in the U.S., of course they would part... BTW these people (most of the times) didn't care about VNCH or VC or anything. They just wanted to live in the U.S., so they did that.

I know several Con Lais who are still living with their families. The Con Lais that were discarded are usually the fake cases

QUOTE(jose cuervo @ Oct 7 2008, 03:15 AM) [snapback]3954614[/snapback]
No I never did tell her I had Chinese blood. I told her of a cousin that had Chinese blood.


Haha, nobody knows for sure if it was your cousin that said it. This is the internet, you can make things up.
jose cuervo
QUOTE(altractiveguy @ Oct 7 2008, 01:23 AM) [snapback]3954622[/snapback]
Man, you don't know what you are talking about. Nguyen Van Thieu was an ethnic Cham and he was the president of South Vietnam.

ANd your point being? That's like me saying since Colin Powell was Secretary of State black people are treated really well in the USA. laugh.gif


QUOTE(altractiveguy @ Oct 7 2008, 01:23 AM) [snapback]3954622[/snapback]
About the Con Lais, they bought them, make faked documents lying that they were their relatives or adopted childrens so they could get into the U.S., After they arrived in the U.S., of course they should part... BTW these people (most of the times) don't care about VNCH or VC or anything. They just wanted to live in the U.S., so they did that.

I know several Con Lais who are still living with their families. The Con Lais that are discarded are usually the fake ones.

Sure there are a few families that didn't discard their con lai kids, but these were a rarity. the thing about the majority of the shady situations with the Con Lai are that the discarded ones had no where to go. They were promised a place to live and stay. They were usually homeless on the streets of Saigon where they entered these agreements for something better. What happened was instead of being homeless and discarded in a 3rd world nation they became homeless and discarded in a 1st world nation. And these families are usually VNCH families that used and discarded them.

Come on man, I'm well aware of these scams. Just like the whole Vietnamese marriage scams to bring someone over here for around 30k-50k. Except for the people entering these marriage scams are saying they're doing it to give the person paying the money a better life, they're doing it out of their heart and not really for money! laugh.gif
altractiveguy
QUOTE(jose cuervo @ Oct 7 2008, 03:43 AM) [snapback]3954637[/snapback]
ANd your point being? That's like me saying since Colin Powell was Secretary of State black people are treated really well in the USA. laugh.gif


Nobody ever said they were treated equal as Kinh but at least they were treated better than they have been treated by the current regime for the last 30 years. Before 1975, minority people like the Chams were exempt from military service. Like I said previously... why the minority peoples are on the VNCH's side denouncing the communist rule?


QUOTE(jose cuervo @ Oct 7 2008, 03:43 AM) [snapback]3954637[/snapback]
Sure there are a few families that didn't discard their con lai kids, but these were a rarity. the thing about the majority of the shady situations with the Con Lai are that the discarded ones had no where to go. They were promised a place to live and stay. They were usually homeless on the streets of Saigon where they entered these agreements for something better. What happened was instead of being homeless and discarded in a 3rd world nation they became homeless and discarded in a 1st world nation. And these families are usually VNCH families that used and discarded them.


Rarity? Are you sure?

Thanh Ha, Phi Nhung, Quoc Anh, etc... have families. If they were discarded, mistreated badly, they would have hated the VNCH people or the non-VC people already. But I have never heard any Con Lai complain that they were mistreated by the VNCH people or the non-VC people. Before the Con Lai program started, they just didn't care about the Con Lais much (not care doesn't equal mistreat). It was the communist regime that mistreated them badly. No school for them. Even VNCH children were not allowed to be in college.

Maybe you saw some cases like that so you assume all the Con Lai cases are like that?

And about the fake marriages, everyone is doing it, not just the Vietnamese. Chinese are doing, Mexicans are doing it, etc.
qwe123
you people are lost
Englanda
QUOTE(Kaosq @ Oct 7 2008, 12:30 AM) [snapback]3954477[/snapback]
I think he can. All the stupid crap Palin says is going to backfire on McCain. If it doesn't, I will seriously start to doubt Americans' intelligence even more.

Palin believes the Earth is 6,000 years old. That is clearly anti-science and anti-reality. McCain alone is 11,000 years old
JMAC
Mccain YAAAAAah!!!!!! beerchug.gif


























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coldsunlight
I prefer Obama-Biden. Anyway, this weekend, we will have Model UN - a kinda debating contest I am on McCain team haha. I thought it would be more interesting beerchug.gif
Tav6
this is the reason why NO ONE should vote for McCain

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=176097 embarassedlaugh.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
Kaosq
All those men who vote for McCain are doing so only because they think Palin's a MILF. laugh.gif
qwe123
too all supporters of Obama
who is he? what has he achieve in politics?
change? what is change? what will change?
chingy
Obama know nothing about foreign policy
Gene
QUOTE(jose cuervo @ Oct 7 2008, 01:56 AM) [snapback]3954555[/snapback]
I believe that white people should vote for their own. White Protestant men built America with their brain power and leadership, so why should they relinquish their power because of diversity? White people should enjoy the fruits of their ancestors intellectual prowess that turned America into a superpower.. The nation state that is known as USA was built by white Protestant men. Does anyone here thinks that blacks or Hispanics could have made America a superpower? Of course not.

Just like Kinh people are the masters of Vietnam. The Kinh fought for Vietnam, died for it, build it, and is currently turning it into a first world nation with it's rapid economic growth. Would it make sense to have Khmer Kroms or Hoas be in power?

Of course not.


And Hispanics are not white? The last time I check they're considered "white" or Caucasian. And what was that?blacks didn't help built this country!?
Are you serious? I'm sure "minorities" has contributed a lot to this country (U.S).

Your definition of "diversity" is bull$hit because it's based on the following assumption: people who look different must think different because of it.
Why not just assume that diversity comes from within, regardless of their skin color, sex, age or religion?

Lastly, Obama has no tie or connection to any country in Africa (not that I know of)he is American and proud of being a part of the U.S's society. I don't see why people should not vote for him if they believe he could be a good leader. After all, they're voting for an American. Fortunately your opinion doesn't mean $hit and it does not reflect the U.S's constitution.

The American founding fathers kick @$$. biggthumpup.gif I need to hang out with people like them, instead of backward dumbass motherfu-kers promoting stupid $hit.

jose cuervo
QUOTE(Gene @ Oct 9 2008, 02:43 AM) [snapback]3957588[/snapback]
And Hispanics are not white? The last time I check they're considered "white" or Caucasian. And what was that?blacks didn't help built this country!?
Are you serious? I'm sure "minorities" has contributed a lot to this country (U.S).

Your definition of "diversity" is bull$hit because it's based on the following assumption: people who look different must think different because of it.
Why not just assume that diversity comes from within, regardless of their skin color, sex, age or religion?

Lastly, Obama has no tie or connection to any country in Africa (not that I know of)he is American and proud of being a part of the U.S's society. I don't see why people should not vote for him if they believe he could be a good leader. After all, they're voting for an American. Fortunately your opinion doesn't mean $hit and it does not reflect the U.S's constitution.

The American founding fathers kick @$$. biggthumpup.gif I need to hang out with people like them, instead of backward dumbass motherfu-kers promoting stupid $hit.


Hispanics are not considered white, especially by the WASPs unless they're from Spain. You should read "How the Irish became White". Maybe in a few generations when many Hispanics become the majority and achieved some sort of parity with the WASPs in SES (socio-economic standing).

And Obama does have connection with Africa, his father is a Kenyan. And read my last post carefully. I alluded that the American founding fathers who happened to be all WASPs, who masterminded the creation of this country and were good leaders that guided this nation into what it is.

If the blacks were the founding fathers of this country, I seriously doubt this country would be a world superpower, more than likely it be another hellhole like the many African countries. Politically incorrect to say but true.

Without WASPs like Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Abraham Lincoln, FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, this country wouldn't be what it is today. Their descendants should be in power because of the fruits of their ancestors labors.

Blacks were just free and cheap labor. they had no role in masterminding and mapping out the creation of the USA and turning it into a superpower.
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