believe me regan u can find it in lao history now im not talking about the very first kingdom of the ailao people that way before lanxang im talking about lanxang history fa ngum was raised in the khmer court like a son

According to the Khmer Text, Fa Ngum exiled to Angkor at about 8 years of age. His father lost his throne to a rival, possibly his uncle, a Mongol puppet. Jayavarman VII raised Fa Ngum like he was a son to him. When Fa got older, Jayavarman married him to his daughter Phreah Neang Keaw(She was described as pure as "glass"). And a wedding gift of 30,000 of Angkors finest Soilders.

With Those men, Fa Ngum marched north and took the Throne from his fathers rival.

thats really interesting to know, though if khmers had so many soldiers why didnt they reclaim there territory from thai or lao b4?

^ That was long before the decline...

[quote=ranmatatsumaru,Sep 28 2004, 02:04 PM]
^
yes, Thais and Laos are very similar in culture and religion. Even the Thai language is mutually intellible to Lao speakers but not necessarily vice versa. However, Laos is considered to be a communist state and Thailand a constitutional monarchy so there's little hope of unification

180 years ago after Siam (Thai) ransacked Vientiane, took its people
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A vast territory, from Khonkain to Ubon and its people around 16-18m
are now called Lao Isan.
Thai government rewrite history book and deny that 1826 holocaust in
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Prabang to Lao people.
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From the past many writers, poet or some intellectual who talk about
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any trace.
Local government official in Isan are from the south, they act as a
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Isan people are fighting for their identity, right to be equal among
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The fight is just begun!!!!
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Isan will rise again
Express yourself on Isan's issue on this link

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[quote=cHemon,Feb 9 2006, 12:18 PM]
Lao Isan... Can I call you Mr.Cut&Paste?

If you like just call King with one eye! 2

Yep, Fa Ngum was taught, coached, and mentored by the Khmer Greatest King Jayavarman VII. That was why Fa Ngum was great like his God-father Jayavarman VII. The Khmer Empire reached their peak under Jayavarman VII.

heheh, very interesting. Please control yourself, don't get too excited, its only a harmless subject. Well, first of all, I'm not certain if Laos or the kingdom of Lan Xang ever invaded Cambodia. I've read many books on Laos and I don't think any of them mentioned anything about Laos going into war with Cambodia or vis versa. For the most part the kingdom of Lan Xang was at peace with Cambodia. There could have been a lot of mixing, no doubt, a lot of Laotians from the south and Isan are darker than people from the North, but the Laotians didn't destroy Cambodia. But if you have more information on the account of Laos attacking Cambodia please provide it. The French formed the country called present day Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam. Under the French, Muang Xieng Teng (Stung Treng) was given to Cambodai and Sibsong Chathai in Tonkin was given to Vietnam.

In any case, enough with the subject, but I'm interested in knowing what the Khmers called the people of Lan Xang perhaps a 100 years ago or before that.

Cheers!

Very interesting, Samsenethai, instead of SameseneLao?

Shampoo: Thai has a meaning in names and it doesn't directly mean the country of Thailand.

Fa Ngum. The only thing that I don't like is if a Khmer person acts as if Khon Lao or Khon Thai owe them something just because Lan Xang emerged with the help of 10,000 Khmer men. OR That Thailand had some Khmer influences. I know that you guys will respond with "we want some credit and history was re-written" and other things. But this is how I feel. Even with the soldiers backing him up, Chao Fa Ngum is very brave for going back and claiming what was already his.

To menghuy:

The numeral system that Khmer, Thai, and Laos share today came from the Hindu-Arbaic numeral system. So, don't act as if the Khmers originated that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphs_used_w..._numeral_system

Value 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
East-Arabic ٠ ١ ٢ ٣ ٤ ٥ ٦ ٧ ٨ ٩
Far-East-Arabic ۰ ۱ ۲ ۳ ۴ ۵ ۶ ۷ ۸ ۹
Bengali ০ ১ ২ ৩ ৪ ৫ ৬ ৭ ৮ ৯
Devanagari ० १ २ ३ ४ ५ ६ ७ ८ ९
European 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Gujarati ૦ ૧ ૨ ૩ ૪ ૫ ૬ ૭ ૮ ૯
Gurmukhi ੦ ੧ ੨ ੩ ੪ ੫ ੬ ੭ ੮ ੯
Kannada ೦ ೧ ೨ ೩ ೪ ೫ ೬ ೭ ೮ ೯
Limbu ᥆ ᥇ ᥈ ᥉ ᥊ ᥋ ᥌ ᥍ ᥎ ᥏
Malayalam ൦ ൧ ൨ ൩ ൪ ൫ ൬ ൭ ൮ ൯
Oriya ୦ ୧ ୨ ୩ ୪ ୫ ୬ ୭ ୮ ୯
Telugu ౦ ౧ ౨ ౩ ౪ ౫ ౬ ౭ ౮ ౯
Thai ๐ ๑ ๒ ๓ ๔ ๕ ๖ ๗ ๘ ๙
Tibetan ༠ ༡ ༢ ༣ ༤ ༥ ༦ ༧ ༨ ༩
Lao ໐ ໑ ໒ ໓ ໔ ໕ ໖ ໗ ໘ ໙
Tamil ௦ ௧ ௨ ௩ ௪ ௫ ௬ ௭ ௮ ௯

You're too sweet and beautiful Miss Lover. I love you too

mzlvr droppin some knowledge...

Hahaha well said, mizzy.

Don't even try to flip the script, Lao folks know wassup but the thais are the ones that don't acknowledge the influence from Cambodia. Why should we "sugarcoat" references to the past in an attempt to appease your ego. The thais have gone out of their way to rule out historic facts which invalidates their stance and replace them with the most retarded theories. Its only when Khmers dispute the bull$hit, the thais cry out foul when in actuality we are telling it like it is.

So please mrs. luver. stop crying cause sbeechan pwned your @$$.

How'd did she pwn me? Just because you're in her support club, doesn't mean she pwned me...lol She had no proof and no substance. Funny how you brought it up in this thread. Go eat some more sour grapes, maybe that will help you get over it.

Ridiculous, the Thai script is definately influenced by Sanscriptic palitic variances as seen in earlier scripts in Java, as well as by the earlier Monnic peoples.

Thai script is influenced by the Mon, not the Khmer.

Its more of the Thai influencing the Khmer, as the latter were conquored peoples by the Thai Empire of Ayuthaya and Siam in the past.

Something to keep in mind:

The Mon Script


and...

The Thai Script


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The Central Taic civilizations of Ayuthaya and Sukkothaiya conquored Monnich civlizations and intermingled with the indegnous peoples and with that adopted the preexisting culture and writing systems and added a Taic flare to it.

Considering many Thais have high Monnic blood in them, and considering the Monnic peoples were the ones that spread indic culture to south east asia, its more realistic to say that the Thai were influenced by the Indian via our Mon ancestors.

The Khmers were merely people that lived in the east (and were enemies of the mon kingdoms of harupanjaya and siampura), the Khmers were merely conquored peoples by the latter Ayuthayanic Empire and the recent Siamic empire (which controlled more than half of what is now present day khampuchea).

Keep that in mind.

Khmers borrowed alot from the Thai, who ruled over the Khmers for a good 4-5 centuries.

The Thai script was "invented" by King Ramkhamheang in 1283 with heavy influence by Khmer. Mon influence the Burmese script.

Is there prove that the so-called Ramkhamheang invented the script? I thought King Monkut invented Ramkhamheang.

lol siri. there is no such thing as "7th century" Thailand.

As you can see from the timeline below, Thai and Lao evolved from Old Khmer.

[quote name='Mizz_Luv3r' date='Oct 31 2006, 08:01 PM' post='2441245']
Shampoo: Thai has a meaning in names and it doesn't directly mean the country of Thailand.

Fa Ngum. The only thing that I don't like is if a Khmer person acts as if Khon Lao or Khon Thai owe them something just because Lan Xang emerged with the help of 10,000 Khmer men. OR That Thailand had some Khmer influences. I know that you guys will respond with "we want some credit and history was re-written" and other things. But this is how I feel. Even with the soldiers backing him up, Chao Fa Ngum is very brave for going back and claiming what was already his.

To menghuy:

The numeral system that Khmer, Thai, and Laos share today came from the Hindu-Arbaic numeral system. So, don't act as if the Khmers originated that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphs_used_w..._numeral_system

Value 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
East-Arabic ٠ ١ ٢ ٣ ٤ ٥ ٦ ٧ ٨ ٩
Far-East-Arabic ۰ ۱ ۲ ۳ ۴ ۵ ۶ ۷ ۸ ۹
Bengali ০ ১ ২ ৩ ৪ ৫ ৬ ৭ ৮ ৯
Devanagari ० १ २ ३ ४ ५ ६ ७ ८ ९
European 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Gujarati ૦ ૧ ૨ ૩ ૪ ૫ ૬ ૭ ૮ ૯
Gurmukhi ੦ ੧ ੨ ੩ ੪ ੫ ੬ ੭ ੮ ੯
Kannada ೦ ೧ ೨ ೩ ೪ ೫ ೬ ೭ ೮ ೯
Limbu ᥆ ᥇ ᥈ ᥉ ᥊ ᥋ ᥌ ᥍ ᥎ ᥏
Malayalam ൦ ൧ ൨ ൩ ൪ ൫ ൬ ൭ ൮ ൯
Oriya ୦ ୧ ୨ ୩ ୪ ୫ ୬ ୭ ୮ ୯
Telugu ౦ ౧ ౨ ౩ ౪ ౫ ౬ ౭ ౮ ౯
Thai ๐ ๑ ๒ ๓ ๔ ๕ ๖ ๗ ๘ ๙
Tibetan ༠ ༡ ༢ ༣ ༤ ༥ ༦ ༧ ༨ ༩
Lao ໐ ໑ ໒ ໓ ໔ ໕ ໖ ໗ ໘ ໙
Tamil ௦ ௧ ௨ ௩ ௪ ௫ ௬ ௭ ௮ ௯
[/quote



yes you a right that khmers numeral system was developed from from early numeral systems before it,but khmers numeral system was developed by the khmers and used until today even before Thailands first kingdom in southeast asia,thailands script are developed from ancient scripts but it numeral system are not it is adopted from the khmers numeral system. if you look at all other numeral systems none of them look like khmers numeral system only the thais and laos numeral system look alike which was adopted from it.

khmer people were not just merely enemies of the mon kingdoms. the khmer and mons came from the same blood lines, khmer people had one of the most powerful kingdoms in southeast asia and at its peak it conquerd most of the mon and cham kingdoms and ruled over much of the land that is called thailand,southern laos, and south vietnam and influence most of the new kingdoms in southeast asia. thailand influence cambodia in alot of ways,but dont forget thais first kingdoms were heavely influence by khmer angkor kingdom and lived under khmer rule for centuries too.

you may not like it, but unfortunately for you it's true, and a gross understatement at that.

i confess i don't know much lao history other than what i've read here and on wikipedia. as a khmer, i certainly don't hold laos in any sort of debt. i don't know any who do to be honest. more than anything, i'm very proud of the way king jayavarman vii treated fa ngum. this chapter in history speaks volumes about the type of ruler jayavarman was - a powerful man of impeccable character.

The Cham of Vietnam letter looks more like the Lao, perhaps we first got it from them, then to Lanna-Sukkhothai and lastly to Ayuthaya.