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Trinket
Jul 24th 2008
From The Economist print edition
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Social networks and video-sharing sites don’t always bring people closer together

“NATION shall speak peace unto nation.” Eighty years ago, Britain’s state broadcasters adopted that motto to signal their hope that modern communications would establish new bonds of friendship between people divided by culture, political boundaries and distance.

For those who still cling to that ideal, the latest trends on the internet are depressing. Of course, as anyone would expect, governments use their official websites to boast about their achievements and to argue their corner—usually rather clunkily—in disputes about territory, symbols or historical rights and wrongs.

What is much more disturbing is the way in which skilled young surfers—the very people whom the internet might have liberated from the shackles of state-sponsored ideologies—are using the wonders of electronics to stoke hatred between countries, races or religions. Sometimes these cyber-zealots seem to be acting at their governments’ behest—but often they are working on their own, determined to outdo their political masters in propagating dislike of some unspeakable foe.

Consider the response in Russia to “The Soviet Story”, a Latvian documentary that compares communism with fascism. If this film had come out five years ago, the Kremlin would have issued an angry press release and encouraged some young hoodlums to make another assault on Latvia’s embassy. Some Slavophile politicians would have made wild threats.

These days, the reaction from hardline Russian nationalists is a bit more subtle. They are using blogs to raise funds for an alternative documentary to present the Soviet communist record in a good light. Well-wishers with little cash can help in other ways, for example by helping with translation into and from Baltic languages.

Meanwhile, America’s rednecks can find lots of material on the web with which to fuel and indulge their prejudices. For example, there are “suicide-bomber” games which pit the contestant against a generic bearded Muslim; such entertainment has drawn protests both in Israel—where people say it trivialises terrorism—and from Muslim groups who say it equates their faith with violence. Border Patrol, another charming online game, invites you to shoot illegal Mexican immigrants crossing the border.

From the earliest days of the internet the new medium became a forum for nationalist spats that were sometimes relatively innocent by today’s standards. People sparred over whether Freddie Mercury, a rock singer, was Iranian, Parsi or Azeri; whether the Sea of Japan should be called the East Sea or the East Sea of Korea; and whether Israel could call hummus part of its cuisine. Sometimes such arguments moved to Wikipedia, a user-generated reference service, whose elaborate moderation rules put a limit to acrimony.

But e-arguments also led to hacking wars. Nobody is surprised to hear of Chinese assaults on American sites that promote the Tibetan cause; or of hacking contests between Serbs and Albanians, or Turks and Armenians. A darker development is the abuse of blogs, social networks, maps and video-sharing sites that make it easy to publish incendiary material and form hate groups. A study published in May by the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, a Jewish human-rights group, found a 30% increase last year in the number of sites that foment hatred and violence; the total was around 8,000.

Social networks are particularly useful for self-organised nationalist communities that are decentralised and lack a clear structure. On Facebook alone one can join groups like “Belgium Doesn’t Exist”, “Abkhazia is not Georgia”, “Kosovo is Serbia” or “I Hate Pakistan”. Not all the news is bad; there are also groups for friendship between Greeks and Turks, or Israelis and Palestinians. But at the other extreme are niche networks, less well-known than Facebook, that unite the sort of extremists whose activities are restricted by many governments but hard to regulate when they go global. Podblanc, a sort of alternative YouTube for “white interests, white culture and white politics” offers plenty of material to keep a racist amused.

Tiny but deadly

The small size of these online communities does not mean they are unimportant. The power of a nationalist message can be amplified with blogs, online maps and text messaging; and as a campaign migrates from medium to medium, fresh layers of falsehood can be created. During the crisis that engulfed Kenya earlier this year, for example, it was often blog posts and mobile-phone messages that gave the signal for fresh attacks. Participants in recent anti-American marches in South Korea were mobilised by online petitions, forums and blogs, some of which promoted a crazy theory about Koreans having a genetic vulnerability to mad-cow disease.

In Russia, a nationalist blogger published names and contact details of students from the Caucasus attending Russia’s top universities, attaching a video-clip of dark-skinned teenagers beating up ethnic Russians. Russian nationalist blogs reposted the story—creating a nightmare for the students who were targeted.

Spreading hatred on the web has become far easier since the sharp drop in the cost of producing, storing and distributing digital content. High-quality propaganda used to require good cartoonists; now anyone can make and disseminate slick images. Whether it’s a Hungarian group organising an anti-Roma poster competition, a Russian anti-immigrant lobby publishing the location of minority neighbourhoods, or Slovak nationalists displaying a map of Europe without Hungary, the web makes it simple to spread fear and loathing.

The sheer ease of aggregation (assembling links to existing sources, videos and articles) is a boon. Take anti-cnn.com, a website built by a Chinese entrepreneur in his 20s, which aggregates cases of the Western media’s allegedly pro-Tibetan bias. As soon as it appealed for material, more than 1,000 people supplied examples. Quickly the site became a leading motor of Chinese cyber-nationalism, fuelling boycotts of brands and street protests.

And then there is history. A decade ago, a zealot seeking to prove some absurd proposition—such as the denial of the Nazi Holocaust, or the Ukrainian famine—might spend days of research in the library looking for obscure works of propaganda. Today, digital versions of these books, even those out of press for decades, are accessible in dedicated online libraries. In short, it has never been easier to propagate hatred and lies. People with better intentions might think harder about how they too can make use of the net.
selenai1
A Vietnamese is born to hate the Chinese, before the internet. Thanks to the internet, now the ordinary Chinese know how the Vietnamese hate them. This knowledge may help the Chinese to choose to continue to bully or to try to defuse the anger. It's up to them because they are stronger than us. All we could do is to react.
SoCal


It is an inferiority complex to think a Han is better than a Viet. Unless we get rid off this negative feeling and channel it into doing something productive, then we have wasted a lots of our precious time.
qwe123
AF Chinese Chat is a perfect example yo
kiss.gif
selenai1
QUOTE(SoCal @ Aug 2 2008, 10:47 AM) [snapback]3846813[/snapback]
It is an inferiority complex to think a Han is better than a Viet. Unless we get rid off this negative feeling and channel it into doing something productive, then we have wasted a lots of our precious time.

You mean we should love the Chinese? No can do, man. The hatred is genetic.
Gene
^^What are you talking about? Through out history I've never heard of an anti-Chinese movements of any kind.

The Chinese always start $hit and Vietnamese people dealt with it accordingly. No hate, no love. It's like taking out the garbage you don't want to do it but you have to.
selenai1
QUOTE(Gene @ Aug 2 2008, 11:54 AM) [snapback]3846872[/snapback]
^^What are you talking about? Through out history I've never heard of an anti-Chinese movements of any kind.

The Chinese always start $hit and Vietnamese people dealt with it accordingly. No hate, no love. It's like taking out the garbage you don't want to do it but you have to.

There is no hate movement, but you can witness the hatred here. Find other Viet forums, same thing.
Gene
QUOTE(selenai1 @ Aug 2 2008, 11:15 AM) [snapback]3846890[/snapback]
There is no hate movement, but you can witness the hatred here. Find other Viet forums, same thing.

I don't know about other Viet forum but the so call hatred here is usually started by Chinamen. They always come in here and spill their insecurity and rhetorical bull$hit. They're always in Korean forum, Japanese forum, etc.. pissing people off as well.

Don't take it too seriously, have some fun beerchug.gif


selenai1
QUOTE(Gene @ Aug 2 2008, 12:25 PM) [snapback]3846903[/snapback]
Don't take it too seriously, have some fun beerchug.gif

I am having fun bashing the Chinese! btw I don't hate any Chinese individually.
Pogpog
QUOTE(selenai1 @ Aug 2 2008, 08:29 PM) [snapback]3846906[/snapback]
I am having fun bashing the Chinese! btw I don't hate any Chinese individually.



it's just like saying 'i hate you but...damn! i really hate you!!!'
Trinket
QUOTE(selenai1 @ Aug 2 2008, 10:09 AM) [snapback]3846837[/snapback]
You mean we should love the Chinese? No can do, man. The hatred is genetic.


there is no any genetic hating trait proofed exist! please give me the references for your claim
I myself, believe that hatred isn't something hardwired but learned behavior. However, it is true that one of human motivation forces is unconscious fear. The unconscious fear profoundly affects on our behavior, preferences, and judgments.
well let's me be rude here, we are merely a bunch of cowards. We fear everything differ to us, anything we cant apprehend, even the unknown. And whatever beliefs we hold are based mostly on group identity because of standing in a group provides us a sense of security, a source of power to subdue those fears. Consequently group behavior produces a sort of unconscious stereotypes that our group is better, superior to the rest. That's seed of all hatred.

Yet, those biased stereotypes wont transmute easily to xenophobia unless triggered deliberately by massive propaganda. Subsequently, stereotypes are fortified so often that they can become firmly rooted in our mind. Make us to be bigoted in false impressions.

Well, I would like to ask some keyboard warriors to stop spread the seed of hatred. Put the emotions aside and let's the rational thoughts ahead. And if you really love Vietnam as much as some of you claim, you're better stop harassing and find the constructive things to do.
Trinket
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Aug 2 2008, 09:49 AM) [snapback]3846816[/snapback]
AF Chinese Chat is a perfect example yo
kiss.gif


No, AF Viet Chat is a perfect example
qwe123
QUOTE(Trinket @ Aug 2 2008, 11:51 AM) [snapback]3846947[/snapback]
No, AF Viet Chat is a perfect example


oh honey
youre too kind
when it comes to internet trolling, BS talks, act hard, bad mouthing, diseases spreading, political brainwashing, etc
Vietnamese are very good at it........
but we are a lil kid compared to Master chinese
kiss.gif
selenai1
QUOTE(Trinket @ Aug 2 2008, 12:49 PM) [snapback]3846942[/snapback]
there is no any genetic hating trait proofed exist! please give me the references for your claim

Here is the proof. When I was born, translated in english, I yelled something like China sucks!
QUOTE
Well, I would like to ask some keyboard warriors to stop spread the seed of hatred. Put the emotions aside and let's the rational thoughts ahead. And if you really love Vietnam as much as some of you claim, you're better stop harassing and find the constructive things to do.

To be fair you should go the Chinese forum and advice them not to go around nuking everyone. Now don't try be keyboard peace makers.


Trinket
QUOTE(selenai1 @ Aug 2 2008, 11:57 AM) [snapback]3846954[/snapback]
Here is the proof. When I was born, translated in english, I yelled something like China sucks!

To be fair you should go the Chinese forum and advice them not to go around nuking everyone. Now don't try be keyboard peace makers.


That;s alright.
So you're better to bring the fire into their chat, Dont you dare that. Let's the peace be here!
Trinket
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Aug 2 2008, 11:57 AM) [snapback]3846953[/snapback]
oh honey
youre too kind
when it comes to internet trolling, BS talks, act hard, bad mouthing, diseases spreading, political brainwashing, etc
Vietnamese are very good at it........
but we are a lil kid compared to Master chinese
kiss.gif


haha you must be kidding! laugh.gif you are the most foul mouth in AF
Gene
There is nothing wrong with having hatred if you know how to take advantage of it. Hate is a powerful emotion if you use it right. Turn the poisonous sting and anger to fuel your ambition. You're be good in school, art, science, running, vandalizing, suicide bombing and even hijacking planes and ram them into building. So on and so forth...Chose a profession and use hatred as motivation. And good luck
qwe123
QUOTE(Trinket @ Aug 2 2008, 12:09 PM) [snapback]3846966[/snapback]
haha you must be kidding! laugh.gif you are the most foul mouth in AF


ohh honey
youre so kind and modest
but i think the title "King of BS" belongs to the posters of Chinese Chat
i am kindergarten compared to those PHDs
i have a long road to travel to get to where theyre now

kiss.gif
Trinket
QUOTE(Gene @ Aug 2 2008, 12:12 PM) [snapback]3846971[/snapback]
There is nothing wrong with having hatred if you know how to take advantage of it. Hate is a powerful emotion if you use it right. Turn the poisonous sting and anger to fuel your ambition. You're be good in school, art, science, running, vandalizing, suicide bombing and even hijacking planes and ram them into building. So on and so forth...Chose a profession and use hatred as motivation. And good luck


totally agree!
So you're prefect for drafting, Come one, Vietnam people army needs a strong guy like you!
selenai1
QUOTE(Trinket @ Aug 2 2008, 01:01 PM) [snapback]3846960[/snapback]
That;s alright.
So you're better to bring the fire into their chat, Dont you dare that. Let's the peace be here!

There are a lot of Chinazis over there. They boast they could take on Americans and win. I dare not go there.
vietnam
QUOTE(selenai1 @ Aug 2 2008, 12:54 PM) [snapback]3847026[/snapback]
There are a lot of Chinazis over there. They boast they could take on Americans and win. I dare not go there.

what video game they are playing currently? embarassedlaugh.gif
qwe123
QUOTE(selenai1 @ Aug 2 2008, 12:54 PM) [snapback]3847026[/snapback]
There are a lot of Chinazis over there. They boast they could take on Americans and win. I dare not go there.


be careful yo
they gonna unlease SARS 2 Hypo
Gsw
QUOTE(selenai1 @ Aug 2 2008, 12:54 PM) [snapback]3847026[/snapback]
There are a lot of Chinazis over there. They boast they could take on Americans and win. I dare not go there.

And the vietnamese over here boast that they can beat china. beerchug.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
qwe123
QUOTE(Gsw @ Aug 2 2008, 01:28 PM) [snapback]3847063[/snapback]
And the vietnamese over here boast that they can beat china. beerchug.gif embarassedlaugh.gif


cmon yo
lets have a chivalrous bare fists fight
i wanna see what kinda balls you have
Gsw
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Aug 2 2008, 01:36 PM) [snapback]3847069[/snapback]
cmon yo
lets have a chivalrous bare fists fight
i wanna see what kinda balls you have

Where do you live? biggthumpup.gif


Anyways, I am fu-king sick of all the posters in VN chat saying China always wants to beef with VN.
Look at these:



How many topics do you see in Chinese chat that are anti to VN?
And how many topics do you see in VN chat that are anti to China?

That's right.

I respect the people here that sticks for Vietnam for whatever reason but I would say half of them use 'chinaman', 'chinese', etc in their posts. So low, so low.
XigonCongchua
most topics that originally intend to make peace always turn into flame baits sure.gif

Mods should close this one too because I can see where it's going. The next day I come back there's gonna be a big flame here.
qwe123
QUOTE(Gsw @ Aug 2 2008, 01:48 PM) [snapback]3847083[/snapback]
Where do you live? biggthumpup.gif
Anyways, I am fu-king sick of all the posters in VN chat saying China always wants to beef with VN.
Look at these:

How many topics do you see in Chinese chat that are anti to VN?
And how many topics do you see in VN chat that are anti to China?

That's right.

I respect the people here that sticks for Vietnam for whatever reason but I would say half of them use 'chinaman', 'chinese', etc in their posts. So low, so low.


typical 5 yuan mao's soldier kiss.gif
is that your full time job?
you think that i dont know that chinese say **** in chinese (text) chats only?
you do it too, its just that youre more hidden......

cut the crab
lets have a bare fists fight
chinese vs VIETNAMESE

i admire the chinese army, nation and people
i really wanna see what kind balls they have.....

xuanzang
why aren't you mod yet ? confused.gif

QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Aug 2 2008, 01:54 PM) [snapback]3847088[/snapback]
most topics that originally intend to make peace always turn into flame baits sure.gif

Mods should close this one too because I can see where it's going. The next day I come back there's gonna be a big flame here.

XigonCongchua
Ben is starting to accept application in the second week of August ~ the mods will have to approve me first before Ben interview ~ but it looks like many mods dislike me so I'm not sure shrug.gif
Gsw
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Aug 2 2008, 01:56 PM) [snapback]3847093[/snapback]
typical 5 yuan mao's soldier kiss.gif
is that your full time job?
you think that i dont know that chinese say **** in chinese (text) chats only?
you do it too, its just that youre more hidden......

cut the crab
lets have a bare fists fight
chinese vs VIETNAMESE

i admire the chinese army, nation and people
i really wanna see what kind balls they have.....

I dare you to go find one post of mine that talks about vietnamese that's not responding to some china bashing.

And I don't have a job. I'm in High School. kiss.gif

So about this fist fight, have you suggested it to other forums? Make a commercial or something and the ppl will flow in. beerchug.gif
qwe123
QUOTE(Gsw @ Aug 2 2008, 02:05 PM) [snapback]3847108[/snapback]
I dare you to go find one post of mine that talks about vietnamese that's not responding to some china bashing.

And I don't have a job. I'm in High School. kiss.gif

So about this fist fight, have you suggested it to other forums? Make a commercial or something and the ppl will flow in. beerchug.gif


1 300 000 000 chinese vs 83 000 000 VIET
at the border in a bare fists fight
who do you think will win?
kiss.gif
Gsw
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:12 PM) [snapback]3847110[/snapback]
1 300 000 000 chinese vs 83 000 000 VIET
at the border in a bare fists fight
who do you think will win?
kiss.gif

The northern chinese will not enjoy the subtropical conditions and thus gives you viets an unfair advantage.
qwe123
QUOTE(Gsw @ Aug 2 2008, 02:14 PM) [snapback]3847112[/snapback]
The northern chinese will not enjoy the subtropical conditions and thus gives you viets an unfair advantage.


how about 650 000 000 chinese vs 83 000 000 VIET at the border
and then we get that done we'll take on the rest?kiss.gif


you know that you will lose because you know that chinese are disunified
their selfishness made them careless and self-served human beings
Even Ho Yuan Jiap, Wong Fei Hung said so

us Viet are unified
your number means nothing!

kiss.gif
selenai1
QUOTE(Gsw @ Aug 2 2008, 02:28 PM) [snapback]3847063[/snapback]
And the vietnamese over here boast that they can beat china. beerchug.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

We beat Chinese numerous times in the past and and would beat China again in the future.
selenai1
QUOTE(Gsw @ Aug 2 2008, 02:48 PM) [snapback]3847083[/snapback]
Where do you live? biggthumpup.gif
Anyways, I am fu-king sick of all the posters in VN chat saying China always wants to beef with VN.
Look at these:

How many topics do you see in Chinese chat that are anti to VN?
And how many topics do you see in VN chat that are anti to China?

That's right.

I respect the people here that sticks for Vietnam for whatever reason but I would say half of them use 'chinaman', 'chinese', etc in their posts. So low, so low.

Only four threads? There should be more bashing not less laugh.gif
Gsw
QUOTE(selenai1 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:31 PM) [snapback]3847121[/snapback]
Only four? There should be more bashing.

I was being conservative.
qwe123
QUOTE(Gsw @ Aug 2 2008, 02:32 PM) [snapback]3847123[/snapback]
I was being conservative.


oi kid
the mao's photo in your sig looks great
its perfect to hang in the toilet
it will make people poo faster and easier
kiss.gif
Gsw
QUOTE(qwe123 @ Aug 2 2008, 02:38 PM) [snapback]3847130[/snapback]
oi kid
the mao's photo in your sig looks great
its perfect to hang in the toilet
it will make people poo faster and easier
kiss.gif

Actually, I could care less for Mao ZeDong. But thanks for the suggestion. It will make me rich and someday, I'll buy everything you've own. biggthumpup.gif
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