Conventional hardware balances
Vietnamese total jet fighter 490
Chinese total jet fighter 2300
Vietnamese Ballistic missile : 480. Range 300,550.720 960 km
Chinese Ballistic missile 1800, Range 300,600,900, 1800,1500, 4000,8000,12000 km
Vietnamese total Sam = 5900 in active.
Chinese total sam = 7200 in active.
Vietnamese Anti-Aircraft Gun 18,000
Chinese Anti-Aircraft Gun 7,000
Vietnamese Tank 2600,54,55,63, 72
Chinese tank 6500, 54,55, 63, 80,90
Vietnamese battleship 125
Chinese battleship 290
Vietnamese submarine 4 in active
Chinese submarine 30 in active
Vietnamese super mortars 7000
Chinese mortar 5500
Vietnamese Multiple -Rocket launchers 930
Chinese Mutipple rocket launchers 1400
Vietnamese infantry 480.000 in active
Chinese infantry 2.000.000 in active
Vietnamese artillery 3200
Chinese Artillery 6800
Some chinese in their forum think that. in this time we fight with our domestic made weapons. copied variant like them. then can not take superior to their army...........well....wellll.... no one sign contract with them. I have to fight with you with my own weapon.
Anyway, Chinese want to win this battle? remember 1979 200.000 thousand chinese attack the border when vietnam army in Cambodia. Just military and local army fight 80 thousand millita. It cost chinese 60,000 PLA profesional within one month and they said vietnam had experience fight with french and American Therefore achievement are notthing hahahah. Well,So we don't want war, But don't play dirty and invade land and Sea from other country. Remember vietnam is not like Taiwan.
May be in this time we will see how US, France, Russia and England, Korea, Japan, India send to vietnam new hardware to test.
overall, chinese are bigger but the rule 4-1 or 5-1 to dominate the battle.. I don't know don't they dare to bring everything they got to fight with vietnam?. They think if they win..then, Indonesia, Thailand, Philline, Korea, Japan will scared them and US will not bother them in Pacific sea. We wait the diplomatic channel to solve but ... their call.
Full Version: Vietnam and China military balance.
Copy and paste from one the chinese posters.
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=168805
Before any military actions. Take out the water supply.
The main branch of rivers, red river north and mekong river at the south.Both rivers orignated from inside of CHina.
Build Dams to reroute the water so, no more water flow into their rivers. Make them run out of water first.
After they become weak due to lack of water supply, then launch the 3 pongs surgical strikes.
China would do all clock bombing to destroy their roads, and infrastructures and send them back to the Stone Age
For me, Economic war and sabotage is wasy of the future. Countries can be destroyed through economic sabotage.
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=168805
Before any military actions. Take out the water supply.
The main branch of rivers, red river north and mekong river at the south.Both rivers orignated from inside of CHina.
Build Dams to reroute the water so, no more water flow into their rivers. Make them run out of water first.
After they become weak due to lack of water supply, then launch the 3 pongs surgical strikes.
China would do all clock bombing to destroy their roads, and infrastructures and send them back to the Stone Age
For me, Economic war and sabotage is wasy of the future. Countries can be destroyed through economic sabotage.
QUOTE(EazyMoney @ Aug 1 2008, 07:38 PM) [snapback]3845881[/snapback]
Copy and paste from one the chinese posters.
Before any military actions. Take out vietnamese water supply.
The main branch of rivers, red river north and mekong river at the south.Both rivers orignated from inside of CHina.
Build Dams to reroute the water so, no more water flow into their rivers. Make them run out of water first.
After they become weak due to lack of water supply, then launch the 3 pongs surgical strikes.
China would do all clock bombing to destroy their roads, and infrastructures and send them back to the Stone Age
They think they are good at guerilla warfares, well Take out their water and food supply and they'll become dry monkeys...
Before any military actions. Take out vietnamese water supply.
The main branch of rivers, red river north and mekong river at the south.Both rivers orignated from inside of CHina.
Build Dams to reroute the water so, no more water flow into their rivers. Make them run out of water first.
After they become weak due to lack of water supply, then launch the 3 pongs surgical strikes.
China would do all clock bombing to destroy their roads, and infrastructures and send them back to the Stone Age
They think they are good at guerilla warfares, well Take out their water and food supply and they'll become dry monkeys...
And how much effort is going to put into building dams what would engulf the Mekong River? Do you know how strong the force of water would be? The water would probably breaks any dam that you build and drown your country before it hurt us.
And good luck with your "around the clock bombing", your aircrafts will become target practice for our SAMs
Tension between the two countries escalated since the Khmer Rouge attacked Vietnam, so part of VN's regular army were already stationed up north just in case of a Chinese invasion. It was Vietnam's regular army going up against China provincial army...mostly from Guadong, Guangxi area.
Don't forget our anti-tank weapons and anti-ship missiles
Do Sino have gut to spend everything they got to rob the sea route and the vietnamese island? Stop the idiot thinking. The island belong to china in 3 century?. Then why vietnamese are living there 500 years? Their strategies are dumb. They won't tell. but the world understand what they are trying to do.
1] pressure vietnam to stop to sign with any country for oil exploring.
2] make vietnam to share resources oil field in vietnam terriory.
3] make falsification document to the world that is the dispute between vietnam and china.
4] try to invade if someday they can in order to block US influence of Asia.
5] pretend to fight with Taiwan to increase military power.
6] try to fight with vietnam to scare other Asean nation cuz vietnam is millitary leading in SEA. and only one country have ability to retaliate China.
They are thinking like that ..but who let them do it. even vietnam total collasped. But we can make Sino Cripple. And we wait for India, US, Japan, Russia, Indonesia, Korea tear them apart. Do you get it Mr. Sino. The rule to become Superpower are never get fu-king with local power if so both = lose. stillll have chance for Sino to call the cards hahahah. play fair, Don't buff it
1] pressure vietnam to stop to sign with any country for oil exploring.
2] make vietnam to share resources oil field in vietnam terriory.
3] make falsification document to the world that is the dispute between vietnam and china.
4] try to invade if someday they can in order to block US influence of Asia.
5] pretend to fight with Taiwan to increase military power.
6] try to fight with vietnam to scare other Asean nation cuz vietnam is millitary leading in SEA. and only one country have ability to retaliate China.
They are thinking like that ..but who let them do it. even vietnam total collasped. But we can make Sino Cripple. And we wait for India, US, Japan, Russia, Indonesia, Korea tear them apart. Do you get it Mr. Sino. The rule to become Superpower are never get fu-king with local power if so both = lose. stillll have chance for Sino to call the cards hahahah. play fair, Don't buff it
It is unfortunate that our country has neglected developing a strong navy.
Without a strong navy, we are limited to defense only.
However, it is never too late to build a strong navy.
Without a strong navy, we are limited to defense only.
However, it is never too late to build a strong navy.
I am not saying that we should start a war, but your comparison is a bit off at least. Vietnam has only a few dozen true modern jet fighters while china has hundreds. Vietnam's tanks are also outdated types while china's type 99 tank is among the best in the world at the moment. Also the navy, just look at vietnamese ships, and look at china's , you know you don't make a chance. Chinese submarines are now the nr 1 headach of US navy, how much chance you think vietnamese navy got ? More important, china can mass produce most of the modern weapons it has, vietnam can only mass produce old ones.
The last sino-vietnam war is not a good reference, in 1979, PLA was in the worst shape since founding. The two decades was wasted on political struggle, good officers were replaced by idiots who only cared about political struggle, army was poorly trained, poorly equipted. Most soldiers who took part of the war had no idea how a real battle was, some never fired a gun, officers had no idea either. They greatly underestimated the difficulty of mountainous terrein and the jungle, when they faced a bunker built half way in a cliff, they had no weaon to take it out.
But if today war break out, thing will be very different. Current PLA is a very capable army, well trained and well armed. This time china will first destroy vietnamese airforce and navy, then use GPS guided precise weapons to take out bunkers, tanks, artilleries etc. Most chinese tanks fire gun lanuched, laser guided missile , will take out vietnamese tanks before they can fire back. Chinese has a whole range of new, modern artilleries, vietnamese artilleriy units will be wiped out in short time. Air, ship, land launched cruise missiles will take out any important hidden targets that appears.
China has prepared for a war with taiwan+US for all these years, if used on vietnam, I don't expect vietnamese army to last long this time. Compare with 1979, it's not only weapons that changed, it's training, mentality, professionality, everything has changed, it's a brand new army.
But again, this is only an assesment of how the war will be like IF it takes place, vietnam knows that the balance of power with china has changed greatly since 1979, in military, economy and international influrence, china overwelms vietnam greatly.
What also different is, china no longer has a huge soviet army at it's northern border, US is counting on china's economy. For vietnae, confront china now is not wise.
How big is the chance that china invades vietnam, I think it's close to zero, whoever think otherwise are not serious. If you go to china you know the last thing people want is war, everyone is expecting a long periode of peace and prosperity, that's why so many people are so happy. The worst that can happen between china and vietnam is a limited conflict over the islands. Two countries need to sit down and talk to solve the problem, that's the best for everyone. However, vietnam need to be realistic, if you think you can face a giant 10 times bigger and stronger, and yet get an equal l share of the cake, then you are fooling yourself, that's not how real world works, never was, never will.
The last sino-vietnam war is not a good reference, in 1979, PLA was in the worst shape since founding. The two decades was wasted on political struggle, good officers were replaced by idiots who only cared about political struggle, army was poorly trained, poorly equipted. Most soldiers who took part of the war had no idea how a real battle was, some never fired a gun, officers had no idea either. They greatly underestimated the difficulty of mountainous terrein and the jungle, when they faced a bunker built half way in a cliff, they had no weaon to take it out.
But if today war break out, thing will be very different. Current PLA is a very capable army, well trained and well armed. This time china will first destroy vietnamese airforce and navy, then use GPS guided precise weapons to take out bunkers, tanks, artilleries etc. Most chinese tanks fire gun lanuched, laser guided missile , will take out vietnamese tanks before they can fire back. Chinese has a whole range of new, modern artilleries, vietnamese artilleriy units will be wiped out in short time. Air, ship, land launched cruise missiles will take out any important hidden targets that appears.
China has prepared for a war with taiwan+US for all these years, if used on vietnam, I don't expect vietnamese army to last long this time. Compare with 1979, it's not only weapons that changed, it's training, mentality, professionality, everything has changed, it's a brand new army.
But again, this is only an assesment of how the war will be like IF it takes place, vietnam knows that the balance of power with china has changed greatly since 1979, in military, economy and international influrence, china overwelms vietnam greatly.
What also different is, china no longer has a huge soviet army at it's northern border, US is counting on china's economy. For vietnae, confront china now is not wise.
How big is the chance that china invades vietnam, I think it's close to zero, whoever think otherwise are not serious. If you go to china you know the last thing people want is war, everyone is expecting a long periode of peace and prosperity, that's why so many people are so happy. The worst that can happen between china and vietnam is a limited conflict over the islands. Two countries need to sit down and talk to solve the problem, that's the best for everyone. However, vietnam need to be realistic, if you think you can face a giant 10 times bigger and stronger, and yet get an equal l share of the cake, then you are fooling yourself, that's not how real world works, never was, never will.
QUOTE(JazzyQueen @ Aug 1 2008, 07:30 PM) [snapback]3845873[/snapback]
Conventional hardware balances
Vietnamese total jet fighter 490
Chinese total jet fighter 2300
Vietnamese Ballistic missile : 480. Range 300,550.720 960 km
Chinese Ballistic missile 1800, Range 300,600,900, 1800,1500, 4000,8000,12000 km
Vietnamese total Sam = 5900 in active.
Chinese total sam = 7200 in active.
Vietnamese Anti-Aircraft Gun 18,000
Chinese Anti-Aircraft Gun 7,000
Vietnamese Tank 2600,54,55,63, 72
Chinese tank 6500, 54,55, 63, 80,90
Vietnamese battleship 125
Chinese battleship 290
Vietnamese submarine 4 in active
Chinese submarine 30 in active
Vietnamese super mortars 7000
Chinese mortar 5500
Vietnamese Multiple -Rocket launchers 930
Chinese Mutipple rocket launchers 1400
Vietnamese infantry 480.000 in active
Chinese infantry 2.000.000 in active
Vietnamese artillery 3200
Chinese Artillery 6800
Some chinese in their forum think that. in this time we fight with our domestic made weapons. copied variant like them. then can not take superior to their army...........well....wellll.... no one sign contract with them. I have to fight with you with my own weapon.
Anyway, Chinese want to win this battle? remember 1979 200.000 thousand chinese attack the border when vietnam army in Cambodia. Just military and local army fight 80 thousand millita. It cost chinese 60,000 PLA profesional within one month and they said vietnam had experience fight with french and American Therefore achievement are notthing hahahah. Well,So we don't want war, But don't play dirty and invade land and Sea from other country. Remember vietnam is not like Taiwan.
May be in this time we will see how US, France, Russia and England, Korea, Japan, India send to vietnam new hardware to test.
overall, chinese are bigger but the rule 4-1 or 5-1 to dominate the battle.. I don't know don't they dare to bring everything they got to fight with vietnam?. They think if they win..then, Indonesia, Thailand, Philline, Korea, Japan will scared them and US will not bother them in Pacific sea. We wait the diplomatic channel to solve but ... their call.
Vietnamese total jet fighter 490
Chinese total jet fighter 2300
Vietnamese Ballistic missile : 480. Range 300,550.720 960 km
Chinese Ballistic missile 1800, Range 300,600,900, 1800,1500, 4000,8000,12000 km
Vietnamese total Sam = 5900 in active.
Chinese total sam = 7200 in active.
Vietnamese Anti-Aircraft Gun 18,000
Chinese Anti-Aircraft Gun 7,000
Vietnamese Tank 2600,54,55,63, 72
Chinese tank 6500, 54,55, 63, 80,90
Vietnamese battleship 125
Chinese battleship 290
Vietnamese submarine 4 in active
Chinese submarine 30 in active
Vietnamese super mortars 7000
Chinese mortar 5500
Vietnamese Multiple -Rocket launchers 930
Chinese Mutipple rocket launchers 1400
Vietnamese infantry 480.000 in active
Chinese infantry 2.000.000 in active
Vietnamese artillery 3200
Chinese Artillery 6800
Some chinese in their forum think that. in this time we fight with our domestic made weapons. copied variant like them. then can not take superior to their army...........well....wellll.... no one sign contract with them. I have to fight with you with my own weapon.
Anyway, Chinese want to win this battle? remember 1979 200.000 thousand chinese attack the border when vietnam army in Cambodia. Just military and local army fight 80 thousand millita. It cost chinese 60,000 PLA profesional within one month and they said vietnam had experience fight with french and American Therefore achievement are notthing hahahah. Well,So we don't want war, But don't play dirty and invade land and Sea from other country. Remember vietnam is not like Taiwan.
May be in this time we will see how US, France, Russia and England, Korea, Japan, India send to vietnam new hardware to test.
overall, chinese are bigger but the rule 4-1 or 5-1 to dominate the battle.. I don't know don't they dare to bring everything they got to fight with vietnam?. They think if they win..then, Indonesia, Thailand, Philline, Korea, Japan will scared them and US will not bother them in Pacific sea. We wait the diplomatic channel to solve but ... their call.
come on, let's not talk about politics
Vietnam has only 30-40 Su27/30. china has 300 Su27/30/J11/J11B, 100 J10 (not counting 100 long range naval JH7)
if i were an staff officer, i would immediately spot the disparity.
Recommendation (if conflicts break)
China: overwhelming air strike + sea blockage, avoid engaging ground force.
Vietnam: Engage protracted teeth-grinding groud battle.
Vietnam has only 30-40 Su27/30. china has 300 Su27/30/J11/J11B, 100 J10 (not counting 100 long range naval JH7)
if i were an staff officer, i would immediately spot the disparity.
Recommendation (if conflicts break)
China: overwhelming air strike + sea blockage, avoid engaging ground force.
Vietnam: Engage protracted teeth-grinding groud battle.
QUOTE(MrShao @ Aug 1 2008, 07:13 PM) [snapback]3845973[/snapback]
come on, let's not talk about politics
Vietnam has only 30-40 Su27/30. china has 300 Su27/30/J11/J11B, 100 J10 (not counting 100 long range naval JH7)
if i were an staff officer, i would immediately spot the disparity.
Recommendation (if conflicts break)
China: overwhelming air strike + sea blockage, avoid engaging ground force.
Vietnam: Engage protracted teeth-grinding groud battle.
Vietnam has only 30-40 Su27/30. china has 300 Su27/30/J11/J11B, 100 J10 (not counting 100 long range naval JH7)
if i were an staff officer, i would immediately spot the disparity.
Recommendation (if conflicts break)
China: overwhelming air strike + sea blockage, avoid engaging ground force.
Vietnam: Engage protracted teeth-grinding groud battle.
Our strategy is to build support among common people and gride it out against opponents.
Since our country is located below the Tropic of Cancer, then take advantage of the humid and hot weather and use it against opponents. It is a natural barrier that can protect us.
That's why it is so important to protect and grow our forest. Forest can protect us from the enemies.
Either die of thirsty or take a chance and invade China. Any better method to make vietnamese more determined to win.
QUOTE(EazyMoney @ Aug 1 2008, 07:38 PM) [snapback]3845881[/snapback]
Copy and paste from one the chinese posters.
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=168805
Before any military actions. Take out the water supply.
The main branch of rivers, red river north and mekong river at the south.Both rivers orignated from inside of CHina.
Build Dams to reroute the water so, no more water flow into their rivers. Make them run out of water first.
After they become weak due to lack of water supply, then launch the 3 pongs surgical strikes.
China would do all clock bombing to destroy their roads, and infrastructures and send them back to the Stone Age
For me, Economic war and sabotage is wasy of the future. Countries can be destroyed through economic sabotage.
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=168805
Before any military actions. Take out the water supply.
The main branch of rivers, red river north and mekong river at the south.Both rivers orignated from inside of CHina.
Build Dams to reroute the water so, no more water flow into their rivers. Make them run out of water first.
After they become weak due to lack of water supply, then launch the 3 pongs surgical strikes.
China would do all clock bombing to destroy their roads, and infrastructures and send them back to the Stone Age
For me, Economic war and sabotage is wasy of the future. Countries can be destroyed through economic sabotage.
QUOTE(xuanzang @ Aug 1 2008, 09:12 PM) [snapback]3845972[/snapback]
I am not saying that we should start a war, but your comparison is a bit off at least. Vietnam has only a few dozen true modern jet fighters while china has hundreds. Vietnam's tanks are also outdated types while china's type 99 tank is among the best in the world at the moment. Also the navy, just look at vietnamese ships, and look at china's , you know you don't make a chance. Chinese submarines are now the nr 1 headach of US navy, how much chance you think vietnamese navy got ? More important, china can mass produce most of the modern weapons it has, vietnam can only mass produce old ones.
The last sino-vietnam war is not a good reference, in 1979, PLA was in the worst shape since founding. The two decades was wasted on political struggle, good officers were replaced by idiots who only cared about political struggle, army was poorly trained, poorly equipted. Most soldiers who took part of the war had no idea how a real battle was, some never fired a gun, officers had no idea either. They greatly underestimated the difficulty of mountainous terrein and the jungle, when they faced a bunker built half way in a cliff, they had no weaon to take it out.
But if today war break out, thing will be very different. Current PLA is a very capable army, well trained and well armed. This time china will first destroy vietnamese airforce and navy, then use GPS guided precise weapons to take out bunkers, tanks, artilleries etc. Most chinese tanks fire gun lanuched, laser guided missile , will take out vietnamese tanks before they can fire back. Chinese has a whole range of new, modern artilleries, vietnamese artilleriy units will be wiped out in short time. Air, ship, land launched cruise missiles will take out any important hidden targets that appears.
China has prepared for a war with taiwan+US for all these years, if used on vietnam, I don't expect vietnamese army to last long this time. Compare with 1979, it's not only weapons that changed, it's training, mentality, professionality, everything has changed, it's a brand new army.
But again, this is only an assesment of how the war will be like IF it takes place, vietnam knows that the balance of power with china has changed greatly since 1979, in military, economy and international influrence, china overwelms vietnam greatly.
What also different is, china no longer has a huge soviet army at it's northern border, US is counting on china's economy. For vietnae, confront china now is not wise.
How big is the chance that china invades vietnam, I think it's close to zero, whoever think otherwise are not serious. If you go to china you know the last thing people want is war, everyone is expecting a long periode of peace and prosperity, that's why so many people are so happy. The worst that can happen between china and vietnam is a limited conflict over the islands. Two countries need to sit down and talk to solve the problem, that's the best for everyone. However, vietnam need to be realistic, if you think you can face a giant 10 times bigger and stronger, and yet get an equal l share of the cake, then you are fooling yourself, that's not how real world works, never was, never will.
The last sino-vietnam war is not a good reference, in 1979, PLA was in the worst shape since founding. The two decades was wasted on political struggle, good officers were replaced by idiots who only cared about political struggle, army was poorly trained, poorly equipted. Most soldiers who took part of the war had no idea how a real battle was, some never fired a gun, officers had no idea either. They greatly underestimated the difficulty of mountainous terrein and the jungle, when they faced a bunker built half way in a cliff, they had no weaon to take it out.
But if today war break out, thing will be very different. Current PLA is a very capable army, well trained and well armed. This time china will first destroy vietnamese airforce and navy, then use GPS guided precise weapons to take out bunkers, tanks, artilleries etc. Most chinese tanks fire gun lanuched, laser guided missile , will take out vietnamese tanks before they can fire back. Chinese has a whole range of new, modern artilleries, vietnamese artilleriy units will be wiped out in short time. Air, ship, land launched cruise missiles will take out any important hidden targets that appears.
China has prepared for a war with taiwan+US for all these years, if used on vietnam, I don't expect vietnamese army to last long this time. Compare with 1979, it's not only weapons that changed, it's training, mentality, professionality, everything has changed, it's a brand new army.
But again, this is only an assesment of how the war will be like IF it takes place, vietnam knows that the balance of power with china has changed greatly since 1979, in military, economy and international influrence, china overwelms vietnam greatly.
What also different is, china no longer has a huge soviet army at it's northern border, US is counting on china's economy. For vietnae, confront china now is not wise.
How big is the chance that china invades vietnam, I think it's close to zero, whoever think otherwise are not serious. If you go to china you know the last thing people want is war, everyone is expecting a long periode of peace and prosperity, that's why so many people are so happy. The worst that can happen between china and vietnam is a limited conflict over the islands. Two countries need to sit down and talk to solve the problem, that's the best for everyone. However, vietnam need to be realistic, if you think you can face a giant 10 times bigger and stronger, and yet get an equal l share of the cake, then you are fooling yourself, that's not how real world works, never was, never will.
Damn, you're wordy.
summary: "VN should gives into China's demands because we have better weapons and well prepared."
Sounds like a bunch of terrorists, to me.
Why the heck do you guys want to fight us Chinese so badly???
But unfortunately for all the violent nationalists, both CN and VN, it's never gonna happen. China's never going to attack Vietnam again, there's no reason for us to do so, we already control the Parcels and chunk of the Spratleys so there is nothing much gain.
So if there is another Sino-Vietnamese war, you Vietnamese would be the ones to start it. But fair warning, if you did start a war with a China, expect to pay a high price...
Just maintain the status quo for the sake of peace and tranquility...
But unfortunately for all the violent nationalists, both CN and VN, it's never gonna happen. China's never going to attack Vietnam again, there's no reason for us to do so, we already control the Parcels and chunk of the Spratleys so there is nothing much gain.
So if there is another Sino-Vietnamese war, you Vietnamese would be the ones to start it. But fair warning, if you did start a war with a China, expect to pay a high price...
Just maintain the status quo for the sake of peace and tranquility...
QUOTE(xuanzang @ Aug 1 2008, 10:12 PM) [snapback]3845972[/snapback]
I am not saying that we should start a war, but your comparison is a bit off at least. Vietnam has only a few dozen true modern jet fighters while china has hundreds. Vietnam's tanks are also outdated types while china's type 99 tank is among the best in the world at the moment. Also the navy, just look at
When I read the folks put up the AAA battery number, I realized he has not lived up with the military advances.
One decisive advantage china possess is satellite technology. Simply put it “I can see you, you can’t see me’. Vietnam military could be hit without knowing what hit them. Like US, China possesses GPS/North Star capability. Missile capability of china is no equal in Asia. Vietnamese military will have no choice but go underground. And their Sam system can’t even turn on because it is also the homing radar welcoming the cruise missiles.
Can you think of any effective Vietnamese air-defense countermeasure?
QUOTE(SoCal @ Aug 1 2008, 10:20 PM) [snapback]3845988[/snapback]
Our strategy is to build support among common people and gride it out against opponents.
Since our country is located below the Tropic of Cancer, then take advantage of the humid and hot weather and use it against opponents. It is a natural barrier that can protect us.
That's why it is so important to protect and grow our forest. Forest can protect us from the enemies.
Since our country is located below the Tropic of Cancer, then take advantage of the humid and hot weather and use it against opponents. It is a natural barrier that can protect us.
That's why it is so important to protect and grow our forest. Forest can protect us from the enemies.
i totally agree with you.
QUOTE(xuanzang @ Aug 1 2008, 09:12 PM) [snapback]3845972[/snapback]
But if today war break out, thing will be very different. Current PLA is a very capable army, well trained and well armed. This time china will first destroy vietnamese airforce and navy, then use GPS guided precise weapons to take out bunkers, tanks, artilleries etc. Most chinese tanks fire gun lanuched, laser guided missile , will take out vietnamese tanks before they can fire back. Chinese has a whole range of new, modern artilleries, vietnamese artilleriy units will be wiped out in short time. Air, ship, land launched cruise missiles will take out any important hidden targets that appears.
China has prepared for a war with taiwan+US for all these years, if used on vietnam, I don't expect vietnamese army to last long this time. Compare with 1979, it's not only weapons that changed, it's training, mentality, professionality, everything has changed, it's a brand new army.
China has prepared for a war with taiwan+US for all these years, if used on vietnam, I don't expect vietnamese army to last long this time. Compare with 1979, it's not only weapons that changed, it's training, mentality, professionality, everything has changed, it's a brand new army.
How would Chinese GPS guide weapons can take out our bunkers, tanks, artilleries? Are you telling me that Chinese can detect and track most of the position of our artilleries, tanks and bunkers and deliver your guide precision weapons to hit them ? If that is the case, the U.S would not risk losing thousand of aircraft by launching airstrikes against our targets during the war.
And for your tanks, they will get bogged down in the mountainous terrain of VN, that's when our anti-tank weapons come in to hit you from all over directions and so does our artilleries units which are scattered from different positions (and mobile too), your tank units will be wiped out by our infantries right away.
VN still have thousand of SAMs 3+, well maintained, updated, and load of AAA to challenge any kind of airstrikes by Chinese. And if you try to do any kind of naval bombardment or landing against our coast, you'll be hit hard by our coastal artilleries and a whole bunch of anti-ship missiles
China gave up that war not because they were hopeless, but because they didn't want a war.
you are all lunatics 
QUOTE(MrShao @ Aug 1 2008, 09:45 PM) [snapback]3846051[/snapback]
When I read the folks put up the AAA battery number, I realized he has not lived up with the military advances.
One decisive advantage china possess is satellite technology. Simply put it “I can see you, you can’t see me’. Vietnam military could be hit without knowing what hit them. Like US, China possesses GPS/North Star capability. Missile capability of china is no equal in Asia. Vietnamese military will have no choice but go underground. And their Sam system can’t even turn on because it is also the homing radar welcoming the cruise missiles.
Can you think of any effective Vietnamese air-defense countermeasure?
One decisive advantage china possess is satellite technology. Simply put it “I can see you, you can’t see me’. Vietnam military could be hit without knowing what hit them. Like US, China possesses GPS/North Star capability. Missile capability of china is no equal in Asia. Vietnamese military will have no choice but go underground. And their Sam system can’t even turn on because it is also the homing radar welcoming the cruise missiles.
Can you think of any effective Vietnamese air-defense countermeasure?
Horming radar welcoming the cruise missiles? Same thing we faced during the U.S war and U.S lost thousand of aircrafts and the U.S even admitted that it cost them 3 times more to destroy a Vietnamese target
China attacked Vietnam, and now you say "didn't want a war".
How about you say everything.
How about you say everything.
QUOTE(chymali @ Aug 1 2008, 09:54 PM) [snapback]3846078[/snapback]
China gave up that war not because they were hopeless, but because they didn't want a war.
QUOTE(kiengiang @ Aug 1 2008, 10:58 PM) [snapback]3846093[/snapback]
Horming radar welcoming the cruise missiles? Same thing we faced during the U.S war and U.S lost thousand of aircrafts and the U.S even admitted that it cost them 3 times more to destroy a Vietnamese target
Cruise missile can be fired far away from the range of Sam system. I don’t think 1960’s 70s, US had Cruise Missile . that’s why they have to fly sorties really close to the sam site. to make matter worst, to avoid radar detection, they have to fly low which becomes vulnerable to AAA. You are right on the effectiveness of Sams during that era. But since then, world moved on. Iraqi’s Sam system was no avail during the Gulf war precisely because American learn the lesson of vietam. That’s why the first phrase of air attacks is about Cruise Missile V.S. SAM/radar detection.
QUOTE(MrShao @ Aug 1 2008, 10:14 PM) [snapback]3846142[/snapback]
Cruise missile can be fired far away from the range of Sam system. I don’t think 1960’s 70s, US had Cruise Missile . that’s why they have to fly sorties really close to the sam site. to make matter worst, to avoid radar detection, they have to fly low which becomes vulnerable to AAA. You are right on the effectiveness of Sams during that era. But since then, world moved on. Iraqi’s Sam system was no avail during the Gulf war precisely because American learn the lesson of vietam. That’s why the first phrase of air attacks is about Cruise Missile V.S. SAM/radar detection.
What is the range of Chinese cruise missiles? Just curious. I think the SAM can still turn on and off for a certain time to avoid being detected by cruise missiles, that's just my take on it.
If they want a fight so bad, than fight.
You may as well go and throw yourself in front of an oncoming truck. There's no big difference.
You may as well go and throw yourself in front of an oncoming truck. There's no big difference.
Chill. The opinions on here are not the opinions of Vietnam or the people in Vietnam. They are mainly cowboys inherited from Bush if they are Americans of vietnamese root.
QUOTE(chymali @ Aug 1 2008, 10:19 PM) [snapback]3846156[/snapback]
If they want a fight so bad, than fight.
You may as well go and throw yourself in front of an oncoming truck. There's no big difference.
You may as well go and throw yourself in front of an oncoming truck. There's no big difference.
QUOTE(kiengiang @ Aug 1 2008, 11:17 PM) [snapback]3846151[/snapback]
What is the range of Chinese cruise missiles? Just curious. I think the SAM can still turn on and off for a certain time to avoid being detected by cruise missiles, that's just my take on it.
rule of thumb: at least 300-700Km. naval version is 800-100Km.
you are right Sam can turn on and off - a favorite tactic of Vietnam. after you turn on the radar, you have to leave immediately. But with china commanding the space, where can you go? Modern day satellite made no different between day and night. I think china had one radar-imaging satellite, meaning in theory it will penetrate jungle coverage. America had it long time ago. that's why chinese air bases are fitted with lead plate on the roof.
We have licence to produce SAM from Russia then you said chinese Aircraft can fly zic zac to avoid Sam Russia.?
Sam 3, 4, 5,6, 7, 13,14 18 that viet producing now. Suppose you have some electronic to avoide but can you avoide PMU1, PMU2?
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k196/RC_PLANE/RECO0483.jpg
our boys are peaceful with you but don't play dirty
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k196/RC_PLANE/SA7.jpg
our sam are ready
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k196/RC_PLANE/Ronglua.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k196/RC_...ophongkhong.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k196/RC_.../Leudachien.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k196/RC_...E/Haiquan06.jpg
coast line cruise missile 550 km to detect yourship
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3261/261000...40f2ccf.jpg?v=0
Your tank 80,90,99 .............. <> Vietnamse made New version of DKZ. for this.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s108/ba.../DKZtaiZ125.jpg
http://www.quansuvn.net/index.php?action=d...ttach=579;image
Sam 3, 4, 5,6, 7, 13,14 18 that viet producing now. Suppose you have some electronic to avoide but can you avoide PMU1, PMU2?
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k196/RC_PLANE/RECO0483.jpg
our boys are peaceful with you but don't play dirty
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k196/RC_PLANE/SA7.jpg
our sam are ready
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k196/RC_PLANE/Ronglua.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k196/RC_...ophongkhong.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k196/RC_.../Leudachien.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k196/RC_...E/Haiquan06.jpg
coast line cruise missile 550 km to detect yourship
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3261/261000...40f2ccf.jpg?v=0
Your tank 80,90,99 .............. <> Vietnamse made New version of DKZ. for this.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s108/ba.../DKZtaiZ125.jpg
http://www.quansuvn.net/index.php?action=d...ttach=579;image
did i say cruise missle have longer range than S-300 PMU 1?
QUOTE(MrShao @ Aug 1 2008, 10:34 PM) [snapback]3846178[/snapback]
rule of thumb: at least 300-700Km. naval version is 800-100Km.
you are right Sam can turn on and off - a favorite tactic of Vietnam. after you turn on the radar, you have to leave immediately. But with china commanding the space, where can you go? Modern day satellite made no different between day and night. I think china had one radar-imaging satellite, meaning in theory it will penetrate jungle coverage. America had it long time ago. that's why chinese air bases are fitted with lead plate on the roof.
you are right Sam can turn on and off - a favorite tactic of Vietnam. after you turn on the radar, you have to leave immediately. But with china commanding the space, where can you go? Modern day satellite made no different between day and night. I think china had one radar-imaging satellite, meaning in theory it will penetrate jungle coverage. America had it long time ago. that's why chinese air bases are fitted with lead plate on the roof.
Yes, China has satelitte and so does the U.S and they tried hard to locate our SAM sites and failed and so did the U.S tried very hard to locate the Scud batteries in the middle of the desert in Iraq and fail miserably too so satellite does not mean you can see stuff like you want to believe it is capable of seeing, including tracking our tank, and artillery position and try to deliver your cruise missiles against each and every one of those positions. The U.S had satellite and they had terrible time trying to locate our SAM sites and when they did try to destroy them, most of the time they failed because we did use our turn-on-and off mode of the radar to avoid being detected. You have to know when to turn on, the duration of the turn on and off and all kind of other tactics to defeat being detected by the aircrafts which are pretty much still classified by VN. Otherwise, the U.S with their satellite would have not lost that many aircrafts in VN.
QUOTE(MrShao @ Aug 1 2008, 10:47 PM) [snapback]3846196[/snapback]
did i say cruise missle have longer range than S-300 PMU 1?
S-300PMU1 can shoot down cruise missile I believe
Damn, yall talking about this you're some real generals. Yall talking like it's some sort of fu-kin video game where people can just die and then be replaced like ants. All of yall are a bunch fu-king cowards as far as in concerned. Yall sittting at home in front of your computer screens arguing about which country has better and more tools of death like it's some sort of game or competition. In the real world, when there's a global conflict, people die for real. Yall disgust me.
We are just having some casual discussion about military weapons and tactics, no need to get angry like that
QUOTE(kiengiang @ Aug 1 2008, 11:51 PM) [snapback]3846202[/snapback]
Yes, China has satelitte and so does the U.S and they tried hard to locate our SAM sites and failed and so did the U.S tried very hard to locate the Scud batteries in the middle of the desert in Iraq and fail miserably too so satellite does not mean you can see stuff like you want to believe it is capable of seeing, including tracking our tank, and artillery position and try to deliver your cruise missiles against each and every one of those positions. The U.S had satellite and they had terrible time trying to locate our SAM sites and when they did try to destroy them, most of the time they failed because we did use our turn-on-and off mode of the radar to avoid being detected. You have to know when to turn on, the duration of the turn on and off and all kind of other tactics to defeat being detected by the aircrafts which are pretty much still classified by VN. Otherwise, the U.S with their satellite would have not lost that many aircrafts in VN.
maybe you watched the movie 'behind the enermy line'. American flies a predictable route, so that serbian guesses it right, catching F18 by surprise. in real life, i believe it was F16 (correct me if i am wrong). again, i'm merely theorizing chinese capacities on the paper. real battle is different. you made some good pionts. well taken.
QUOTE(kiengiang @ Aug 1 2008, 11:53 PM) [snapback]3846205[/snapback]
S-300PMU1 can shoot down cruise missile I believe
you could be right. i was under the impression it can shot down aircraft and fixed trajectory Ballistic missile. again, you could be right.,
QUOTE(MrShao @ Aug 1 2008, 11:00 PM) [snapback]3846212[/snapback]
maybe you watched the movie 'behind the enermy line'. American flies a predictable route, so that serbian guesses it right, catching F18 by surprise. in real life, i believe it was F16 (correct me if i am wrong). again, i'm merely theorizing chinese capacities on the paper. real battle is different. you made some good pionts. well taken.
I agree that real battle is very different but I do see your points about Chinese military capabilities.
QUOTE(kiengiang @ Aug 2 2008, 12:05 AM) [snapback]3846220[/snapback]
I agree that real battle is very different but I do see your points about Chinese military capabilities.
nice chat. i have go night night now. have a good night.
QUOTE(xuanzang @ Aug 1 2008, 09:12 PM) [snapback]3845972[/snapback]
The last sino-vietnam war is not a good reference, in 1979, PLA was in the worst shape since founding. The two decades was wasted on political struggle, good officers were replaced by idiots who only cared about political struggle, army was poorly trained, poorly equipted. Most soldiers who took part of the war had no idea how a real battle was, some never fired a gun, officers had no idea either. They greatly underestimated the difficulty of mountainous terrein and the jungle, when they faced a bunker built half way in a cliff, they had no weaon to take it out.
But if today war break out, thing will be very different. Current PLA is a very capable army, well trained and well armed. This time china will first destroy vietnamese airforce and navy, then use GPS guided precise weapons to take out bunkers, tanks, artilleries etc. Most chinese tanks fire gun lanuched, laser guided missile , will take out vietnamese tanks before they can fire back. Chinese has a whole range of new, modern artilleries, vietnamese artilleriy units will be wiped out in short time. Air, ship, land launched cruise missiles will take out any important hidden targets that appears.
China has prepared for a war with taiwan+US for all these years, if used on vietnam, I don't expect vietnamese army to last long this time. Compare with 1979, it's not only weapons that changed, it's training, mentality, professionality, everything has changed, it's a brand new army.
But if today war break out, thing will be very different. Current PLA is a very capable army, well trained and well armed. This time china will first destroy vietnamese airforce and navy, then use GPS guided precise weapons to take out bunkers, tanks, artilleries etc. Most chinese tanks fire gun lanuched, laser guided missile , will take out vietnamese tanks before they can fire back. Chinese has a whole range of new, modern artilleries, vietnamese artilleriy units will be wiped out in short time. Air, ship, land launched cruise missiles will take out any important hidden targets that appears.
China has prepared for a war with taiwan+US for all these years, if used on vietnam, I don't expect vietnamese army to last long this time. Compare with 1979, it's not only weapons that changed, it's training, mentality, professionality, everything has changed, it's a brand new army.
PLA got their asses kicked during the sino-vn war because of bla bla bla. I wondered what excuses are they going to have in the future war if they get their @$$ kick again, the excuses might be like because our army is the army of the "CLONES", our weaponology is also "CLONES", our army never be in actual battles and all we do just go around pick on armless people like Tibetians, oh dont forget the only time we use the tanks in actual battle is when we use them to run over the students at the Tianament square and our army is bla bla bla. All I can say now as we are in 21 century, VN already have new tactics awaiting for your paper tiger army and get your new excuses ready.
QUOTE(MrShao @ Aug 1 2008, 11:10 PM) [snapback]3846226[/snapback]
nice chat. i have go night night now. have a good night.
G'night
Just take it to international court for peaceful resolution, damn you fake Chinese peace makers. You want peace but you don't want to stop stealing and bullying. What kind of bu shi is that?
QUOTE(xuanzang @ Aug 1 2008, 08:12 PM) [snapback]3845972[/snapback]
I am not saying that we should start a war, but your comparison is a bit off at least. Vietnam has only a few dozen true modern jet fighters while china has hundreds. Vietnam's tanks are also outdated types while china's type 99 tank is among the best in the world at the moment. Also the navy, just look at vietnamese ships, and look at china's , you know you don't make a chance. Chinese submarines are now the nr 1 headach of US navy, how much chance you think vietnamese navy got ? More important, china can mass produce most of the modern weapons it has, vietnam can only mass produce old ones.
The last sino-vietnam war is not a good reference, in 1979, PLA was in the worst shape since founding. The two decades was wasted on political struggle, good officers were replaced by idiots who only cared about political struggle, army was poorly trained, poorly equipted. Most soldiers who took part of the war had no idea how a real battle was, some never fired a gun, officers had no idea either. They greatly underestimated the difficulty of mountainous terrein and the jungle, when they faced a bunker built half way in a cliff, they had no weaon to take it out.
But if today war break out, thing will be very different. Current PLA is a very capable army, well trained and well armed. This time china will first destroy vietnamese airforce and navy, then use GPS guided precise weapons to take out bunkers, tanks, artilleries etc. Most chinese tanks fire gun lanuched, laser guided missile , will take out vietnamese tanks before they can fire back. Chinese has a whole range of new, modern artilleries, vietnamese artilleriy units will be wiped out in short time. Air, ship, land launched cruise missiles will take out any important hidden targets that appears.
China has prepared for a war with taiwan+US for all these years, if used on vietnam, I don't expect vietnamese army to last long this time. Compare with 1979, it's not only weapons that changed, it's training, mentality, professionality, everything has changed, it's a brand new army.
But again, this is only an assesment of how the war will be like IF it takes place, vietnam knows that the balance of power with china has changed greatly since 1979, in military, economy and international influrence, china overwelms vietnam greatly.
What also different is, china no longer has a huge soviet army at it's northern border, US is counting on china's economy. For vietnae, confront china now is not wise.
How big is the chance that china invades vietnam, I think it's close to zero, whoever think otherwise are not serious. If you go to china you know the last thing people want is war, everyone is expecting a long periode of peace and prosperity, that's why so many people are so happy. The worst that can happen between china and vietnam is a limited conflict over the islands. Two countries need to sit down and talk to solve the problem, that's the best for everyone. However, vietnam need to be realistic, if you think you can face a giant 10 times bigger and stronger, and yet get an equal l share of the cake, then you are fooling yourself, that's not how real world works, never was, never will.
The last sino-vietnam war is not a good reference, in 1979, PLA was in the worst shape since founding. The two decades was wasted on political struggle, good officers were replaced by idiots who only cared about political struggle, army was poorly trained, poorly equipted. Most soldiers who took part of the war had no idea how a real battle was, some never fired a gun, officers had no idea either. They greatly underestimated the difficulty of mountainous terrein and the jungle, when they faced a bunker built half way in a cliff, they had no weaon to take it out.
But if today war break out, thing will be very different. Current PLA is a very capable army, well trained and well armed. This time china will first destroy vietnamese airforce and navy, then use GPS guided precise weapons to take out bunkers, tanks, artilleries etc. Most chinese tanks fire gun lanuched, laser guided missile , will take out vietnamese tanks before they can fire back. Chinese has a whole range of new, modern artilleries, vietnamese artilleriy units will be wiped out in short time. Air, ship, land launched cruise missiles will take out any important hidden targets that appears.
China has prepared for a war with taiwan+US for all these years, if used on vietnam, I don't expect vietnamese army to last long this time. Compare with 1979, it's not only weapons that changed, it's training, mentality, professionality, everything has changed, it's a brand new army.
But again, this is only an assesment of how the war will be like IF it takes place, vietnam knows that the balance of power with china has changed greatly since 1979, in military, economy and international influrence, china overwelms vietnam greatly.
What also different is, china no longer has a huge soviet army at it's northern border, US is counting on china's economy. For vietnae, confront china now is not wise.
How big is the chance that china invades vietnam, I think it's close to zero, whoever think otherwise are not serious. If you go to china you know the last thing people want is war, everyone is expecting a long periode of peace and prosperity, that's why so many people are so happy. The worst that can happen between china and vietnam is a limited conflict over the islands. Two countries need to sit down and talk to solve the problem, that's the best for everyone. However, vietnam need to be realistic, if you think you can face a giant 10 times bigger and stronger, and yet get an equal l share of the cake, then you are fooling yourself, that's not how real world works, never was, never will.
i guess you guys are not smart as far as I can see, do you guys really think we would fight you guys with our crappy weapons when war occurs? The reason why we didn’t developed new weapons was because we don’t have money at the moment, but rather spend too much money in military when we lack of money why don’t we just purchase them when push comes to shove? Don’t you guys see our PM just had a meting with Bush, they are negotiating if they could get support and purchase some weapons from the U.S. Also, tell me where did we got those weapons to fight with American in the Vietnam’s war? It’s was from Russia, and we will doing the same thing as we did in the past….If war occurs between Vietnam and china I am sure as hell will go back to Vietnam to kill some china men
We shouldn't hope for a war w/ China, but it seems that Chinese government is pushing us to the end. Of course, in the event of an all of war, the entire region would be in turmoil because the disputed islands are very far south and near the water of other asean nations. (Unlike the border wars in 1979 and 1988, which fought mainly along the Sino-Vietnam border) Hopefully, that alone will deter China from actually acting out its verbal aggression. Too much at stake here.
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We shouldn't hope for a war w/ China, but it seems that Chinese government is pushing us to the end. Of course, in the event of an all of war, the entire region would be in turmoil because the disputed islands are very far south and near the water of other asean nations. (Unlike the border wars in 1979 and 1988, which fought mainly along the Sino-Vietnam border) Hopefully, that alone will deter China from actually acting out its verbal aggression. Too much at stake here.
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i agree, we have to do what we have to do right?
We shouldn't hope for a war w/ China, but it seems that Chinese government is pushing us to the end. Of course, in the event of an all of war, the entire region would be in turmoil because the disputed islands are very far south and near the water of other asean nations. (Unlike the border wars in 1979 and 1988, which fought mainly along the Sino-Vietnam border) Hopefully, that alone will deter China from actually acting out its verbal aggression. Too much at stake here.
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i agree, we have to do what we have to do right?
they're not pushing us. dont dream that one day china will return the islands to us. land disputes are always unsolved.
QUOTE(MrShao @ Aug 2 2008, 06:00 AM) [snapback]3846212[/snapback]
maybe you watched the movie 'behind the enermy line'. American flies a predictable route, so that serbian guesses it right, catching F18 by surprise. in real life, i believe it was F16 (correct me if i am wrong). again, i'm merely theorizing chinese capacities on the paper. real battle is different. you made some good pionts. well taken.
You people can go back to the Sebian war to see how the serbians fooled US strikes .Most of the claimed hits revealed to be faked tanks or radar stations.And Vietnamis is excellent in concealing her military assets before ennemy attacks
Once again ,Vietnam would not go to war,she prefers economic growth.
"Soldiers, guns, tanks - that is all normal to the Vietnamese. There is nothing special about war. War is what is normal."
Bảo Ninh
Bảo Ninh
You guys don't realize that after the gulf wars everything changed fundamentally, the gulf wars demonstrated the power of precise bombing with satellite imaging, GPS guiding and laser guiding. Now underground bunkers and hidden positions can be detected by satellite, then taken out, china has it's own bunker buster. The tactic of hiding in bunkers, waiting for enemy, then ambush is past time.
Personally I don't dislike vietnamese at all, I think most chinese don't dislike vietnamese, but nations have their own interests, we can get along, or not, it depends on many factors. Look at the relationship between china and US, we traded with each other, have numerous cooperations, doing business, but at the same time we are preparing for wars against each other and even threating with nuclear attack sometimes, relationships between states are complex, if you make it personal you will go crazy.
Vietnam shouldn't get itself in a position to compete with china, look at taiwan, they have 200km of water as natural barrier, far more advanced weapons and stronger economy, plus US support, still they have chosen not to confront with china but to cooperate. Vietnam should do the same. Of course the fact that china is stronger and bigger doesn't mean chinese members should disrespect vietnam and vietnamese, on a personal level we are all ordinary people having fun in an online chat, nobody is better than other.
Personally I don't dislike vietnamese at all, I think most chinese don't dislike vietnamese, but nations have their own interests, we can get along, or not, it depends on many factors. Look at the relationship between china and US, we traded with each other, have numerous cooperations, doing business, but at the same time we are preparing for wars against each other and even threating with nuclear attack sometimes, relationships between states are complex, if you make it personal you will go crazy.
Vietnam shouldn't get itself in a position to compete with china, look at taiwan, they have 200km of water as natural barrier, far more advanced weapons and stronger economy, plus US support, still they have chosen not to confront with china but to cooperate. Vietnam should do the same. Of course the fact that china is stronger and bigger doesn't mean chinese members should disrespect vietnam and vietnamese, on a personal level we are all ordinary people having fun in an online chat, nobody is better than other.
On paper, no, but war is more than paper, vietnamese army is famous for it's cunningness and ability to improvise, and china never fought a modern war in which air-navy-ground-space forces worked together. So it won't suprise me if vietnamese air-defense is harder to destroy then expected. They may also aquire more mobile air-defense systems. I don't think going underground is a good choice today, they need to keep on moving.
QUOTE(MrShao @ Aug 1 2008, 09:45 PM) [snapback]3846051[/snapback]
When I read the folks put up the AAA battery number, I realized he has not lived up with the military advances.
One decisive advantage china possess is satellite technology. Simply put it “I can see you, you can’t see me’. Vietnam military could be hit without knowing what hit them. Like US, China possesses GPS/North Star capability. Missile capability of china is no equal in Asia. Vietnamese military will have no choice but go underground. And their Sam system can’t even turn on because it is also the homing radar welcoming the cruise missiles.
Can you think of any effective Vietnamese air-defense countermeasure?
One decisive advantage china possess is satellite technology. Simply put it “I can see you, you can’t see me’. Vietnam military could be hit without knowing what hit them. Like US, China possesses GPS/North Star capability. Missile capability of china is no equal in Asia. Vietnamese military will have no choice but go underground. And their Sam system can’t even turn on because it is also the homing radar welcoming the cruise missiles.
Can you think of any effective Vietnamese air-defense countermeasure?
A few years ago I bought a television set that was made in China, the god damn thing only lasted a few months. If the Chinese can't produce decent consumer products then they simply cannot produce complex military hardware that actually works, so we Viets should let the Chinese members enjoy their wet dream of being a superpower, and ignore whatever they have to say. Arguing with these Chinese is pretty like talking senses with the VNCH low-lifes, don't waste your time.
QUOTE(Happy Asian @ Aug 2 2008, 12:07 PM) [snapback]3846965[/snapback]
A few years ago I bought a television set that was made in China, the god damn thing only lasted a few months. If the Chinese can't produce decent consumer products then they simply cannot produce complex military hardware that actually works, so we Viets should let the Chinese members enjoy their wet dream of being a superpower, and ignore whatever they have to say. Arguing with these Chinese is pretty like talking senses with the VNCH low-lifes, don't waste your time.
Yeal yeal. then let's the guns do the talking!
You dont need to waste your time for auguring
QUOTE(xuanzang @ Aug 2 2008, 04:25 AM) [snapback]3846711[/snapback]
You guys don't realize that after the gulf wars everything changed fundamentally, the gulf wars demonstrated the power of precise bombing with satellite imaging, GPS guiding and laser guiding. Now underground bunkers and hidden positions can be detected by satellite, then taken out, china has it's own bunker buster. The tactic of hiding in bunkers, waiting for enemy, then ambush is past time.
Personally I don't dislike vietnamese at all, I think most chinese don't dislike vietnamese, but nations have their own interests, we can get along, or not, it depends on many factors. Look at the relationship between china and US, we traded with each other, have numerous cooperations, doing business, but at the same time we are preparing for wars against each other and even threating with nuclear attack sometimes, relationships between states are complex, if you make it personal you will go crazy.
Vietnam shouldn't get itself in a position to compete with china, look at taiwan, they have 200km of water as natural barrier, far more advanced weapons and stronger economy, plus US support, still they have chosen not to confront with china but to cooperate. Vietnam should do the same. Of course the fact that china is stronger and bigger doesn't mean chinese members should disrespect vietnam and vietnamese, on a personal level we are all ordinary people having fun in an online chat, nobody is better than other.
Personally I don't dislike vietnamese at all, I think most chinese don't dislike vietnamese, but nations have their own interests, we can get along, or not, it depends on many factors. Look at the relationship between china and US, we traded with each other, have numerous cooperations, doing business, but at the same time we are preparing for wars against each other and even threating with nuclear attack sometimes, relationships between states are complex, if you make it personal you will go crazy.
Vietnam shouldn't get itself in a position to compete with china, look at taiwan, they have 200km of water as natural barrier, far more advanced weapons and stronger economy, plus US support, still they have chosen not to confront with china but to cooperate. Vietnam should do the same. Of course the fact that china is stronger and bigger doesn't mean chinese members should disrespect vietnam and vietnamese, on a personal level we are all ordinary people having fun in an online chat, nobody is better than other.
It's fine that we respect each other. However, when a nation is being unreasonable to claim that the whole Southeast Asia Sea belongs to them, then it is a sign of disrespect towards other nations. Our land is full of our ancestors' blood and sweat and it won't be taken granted by us.
QUOTE(Trinket @ Aug 3 2008, 03:11 AM) [snapback]3846969[/snapback]
Yeal yeal. then let's the guns do the talking!
You dont need to waste your time for auguring
You dont need to waste your time for auguring
Another brave cyber internet warrior
Let's see if your gun could work
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