I'm tired of those evil Chinese claim that Spratly is their's. We discovered the Islands first and sent ppl to settle there, and so it is clearly Viet land. Then, the Chinese want to come and make their empire by taking our land. Just not fair. . Also, if you notice, lot of the southern part of China was supposed to be Viet's.

It's okay, this we've been argueing for the past 6 months of AF already. And no one has any clear evidence.

So you want Southern China to join the great Vietnamese empire?

Even if the chinese gave southern china to Vietnam, no Vietnamese in this world would want it.

It's already polutted.

Yeha because you couldn't possibly economically support it. If it ever became one country the power would be based in Hong Kong, Guangzhou, Shanghai, Macao, Zhuhai, etc.

You really did not understand my point. Would you think any Vietnamese would support a country/empire in which the Vietnamese only make up 10-20% of the whole population? You guys would overwhelm us with your numbers.

That's true, no Viet would TRULY want Guangdong. It's strong, yes, but just adds to the frustrations.

Okay.. well back on topic. Vietnam already has one of the largest islands on the Spratly chains and the only country to build an airstrip there. They'd be pretty greedy to take over the islands of 5 or 6 other countries.

Every country has had some form of historical/geographical claim on the islands. In the modern world it's take what you can because legitimacy doesn't matter on paper.

lol, Vietnamese wish they could annex Southern Chinese, HK and Macau.

South China doesn't belong to Vietnam.

Spratly Island belongs to China. The end of discussion.

It's funny because you actually think you have a say in something

Haha, the same Khmer attitude :P

Hmm, depends on which part of Southern China we're talking about & which point in history we're taking into perspective.

Which is?

2 tỉnh Quảng Đông, Quảng Tây.

uhm no since when :P we actually owned it lol

spratly belong to china,

No it doesn't, it doesn't belong to anybody. I'm sure you don't even know where's it located...

*quickly goes to google, and search*

yes i do, when i was in china we learned about spratly island

You mean paracell

how u say those in chinese

Spratly Islands rightfully belongs to Vietnam because the fact that we have an airport built by SOUTH VIETNAM, during the Vietnam War, is evidence that the U.N recognized it as Vietnamese territory.

Fact is China didn't claim it until AFTER someone said there could potentially be oil. Surprise surprise.

Next time when China claims something belongs to them, can they do it before anyone actually occupies it???

At this point I'm willing to SHARE the Spratly islands and let whoever occupies what islands to keep them and begin drilling oil.

But China doesn't want that. They complain when we try to have airflights from the islands WE occupy or when we try to drill for oil. Obviously China is trying to buy time.

If it wasn't for the U.S fleet already there, who knows what China would attempt.

As for Cambodians, they should be lucky they even have a country after what we did to them, and mercifully gave their whole country back, let alone even trying to talk about our territorial disputes.

WE DON'T WANT SOUTHERN CHINA.

WE OWN SPRATLY.

END OF DISCUSSION.


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It is always an interesting and very amusing when little new educator joint in.

As for vietnam to give Kampuchea krom back it won't happen cause Vietnam never did. Maybe in the future when the war is going to burst .


Go ahead Byron your turn.,little smart mouth.

Agreed. It's not matter how much evidence China can come up with. We Viet people are strong, we defeated them before, we can do it again. Besides, the US will support us. The Airport we built there with the US support shows that #1, we own the land, and #2 US will support us because they know we are right.

If any Chinese want to still claim that Spratly is theirs, they can go rot in hell.

hey, i have no knowledge of this spratly deal til i came to this hurr forum. so tell me, what do us viets call the spratly islands since we first discovered them? and why is it spratly today instead of something like nha con heo

As for the child here, he will always listen to his master, even if he has to kill his family.

Sorry Kamphachea Krom doesn't violate U.N rules and International Law since there was no International law back in 1750 when we took it.

But the Spratlys issue has been in U.N conferences since it is a valid case since it wasn't until the 1970s that there was a dispute.

Besides we still occupy the majority of the islands, unlike all of Kampachea Krom belongs to us now.

If anyone should have ths Spratly Islands based on geography it's the Phillipines since they're the closest.

The UN doesn't give a crap about Spratly. It's funny that Taiwan actually owns the largest island but they're the furthest away.

haha...these arguement are really funny. Everybody is giving one line rejoinders. No it belongs to my country. NO it belongs to my country. That doesn't seems to resolve anything.

Well, it belongs to Vietnam. There I joined the fray.

Nope it doesn't belong to any countries. It belongs to me god damn it.

Goddamnit I hope it sinks int the ocean for good....

so what kinda vietnamese name is spratly anyway?

Truong Sa

see, i knew there was a viet name for the spratly islands.. but doesn't troung sa mean faraway street?

scratch that. i was thinking about duong

but then, it'd be faraway school

Spratly islands is the NanSha Dao
Paravel islands are XiaSha Dao I think.

They belong to ROC actaully(occupied since WW2) but since Chiang Kai Shek wanted to avoid confronting an American ally(South Vietnam) he did not raise the issue but instead let the PRC deal with it.

Taiwan occupies the largest island of Paracel/spratly but the south Vietnamese grabbed all the small ones.

It would have been awesome to see Chiang Kai Shek kick some south Vietnamese @$$.

I t could have happened.. South VN was in a death struggle with North VN... they could care less about those islands....

Actually it was South Vietnam that started the whole thing back in the Seventies, North Vietnam only carryed on from where they left off.

First spratly island conflict was PRC vs South Vietnam
Second spratly island conflict was PRC vs Vietnam

dammit

Truong Sa!!! - the composer Truong Sa makes dope songs too

fosho its Viet Nam's

you only name your child after places inside your country - lol

I thought China held all of the Paracel Islands and some of the Spratly Islands. China won the Paracels in that conflict with Vietnam so Taiwan shouldn't have any claim to it.

The damn Soviets were useless.. useless allies good for nothing.. I hope the Chechens get their Independence and soon

PRC was just lucky with the Paracel islands that South Vietnamese ships didn't fight back.

Firing against a ship of another country is considered an act of war, so before the captains can give orders to fire, they have to call a someone in a higher chain of government.

We all know the president of South Vietnam is an American puppet and they called the U.S telling if they can fire back on the Chinese ships, but of course by then, America was more friendly with China, since China promised to help the U.S fight against the spread of Soviet Communism.

So basically South Vietnam got betrayed by the U.S and couldn't fire on the ships.

Back then South Vietnam had the 4th largest airforce in the world and U.S ships.

The 7th Fleet would have stopped the Chinese in their tracks if they had permission to destroy the Chinese ships from long distance since back then they had American weaponry.


So our loss of the Spratly's is because of Americans and Vietnamese-American butt kissers.

I mean't in 1988 when the Soviets were supposidly our allies.. they did nothing to help.. those gutless russians

U.S is a $hit ally. I wouldn't be surprised when Nixon met with Mao Zedong they had a deal to give Mao Zedong the Paracel Islands in exchange for halting communism in SEA, since they didn't need South Vietnam anymore.

Be careful on the naming.

I'd say they'll all $hit allies... If I was leader I'll go nukes all the way... tens of thousands with shields and all. I'lll hit them all. for their betrayals.. eliminate alll yea

The next major event in the South China Sea was the Chinese military operation on the Paracel Islands. Chinese air and sea forces moved quickly against South Vietnamese forces stationed there, on January 19, 1974. The Vietnamese were routed, losing 48 soldiers, a patrol boat and a U.S. advisor who was with them. The President of Vietnam requested help from the U.S. Seventh Fleet that was stationed in the Philippines but they did not respond. This battle was followed by a rash of claims in the South China Sea. Vietnam, China, Taiwan, and the Philippines restated their claims to all or part of the islands located there. After the fall of Saigon in 1975, communist North Vietnam immediately attacked the Spratlys and removed the South Vietnamese forces.

In 1988, the Spratly Islands saw the first armed conflict over the islands in 14 years. On March 14, forces from the PRC and Vietnam did battle, sinking two Vietnamese naval vessels and leaving as many as 74 Vietnamese dead (numbers vary from source to source). Following this engagement, the Vietnamese claimed that Chinese forces would not let them salvage their equipment or rescue their men. The PRC stated that the Vietnamese were still on the offensive "under the pretext of carrying out rescue operations" and later refused to negotiate accusing Vietnam of "aggression and expansion." In response to these events, the Taiwanese government stated that they would be reinforcing the garrison on Itu Aba that it has possessed since 1956. One other occurrence of note: the Soviet Fleet located at Cam Rahn Bay in Vietnam was apprised of the situation but chose not to respond, much like the U.S.'s response to the Paracel invasion.

http://www.niagara.net/cowac/unfinal.html


Just wanna clear something up so I'm not sure what you exctly meant: Of course the 7th Fleet was armed with American weapons - it IS American. The 7th fleet's purpose was to patrol the Taiwan Strait to prevent the PRC from invading Taiwan. This all started in 1950 when China entered the Korean War.

I blame South Vietnam and US more than I do China for losing the Paracels.

http://members.tripod.com/~doanket/hoangsa/hsrinh.html



U.S gave South Vietnam bad intelligence probably due to Nixon's trip to China and sold South Vietnam out.



Chinese attacked with 11 warships vs. Vietnam's 4 ships. Vietnam's airforce which was the 4th largest in the world at that time was too far to make strikes on those Chinese ships.