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Byron
http://www.vov.org.vn/2004_09_01/english/kinhte1.htm

QUOTE
The British Economist magazine recently run an article about the Vietnamese economy, affirming that Vietnam has one of the highest growth rates in Asia. Foreign direct investment (FDI) in Vietnam accounts for more than eight percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in 2003, even higher than that of China in terms of proportion. However, this is not a surprise as Vietnam has always maintained an economic growth rate of 7.4 percent during the past 10 years. Such a growth rate is also predicted for this year. Thanks to the continued growth rate, the lives of Vietnamese people throughout the country have been constantly improved.

According to the World Bank (WB), in 1993, 58 percent of Vietnam’s population was the poor. By 2002, that figure fell to 29 percent.

Vietnam’s growth rate is sustainable, the article said. Despite having been seriously affected by SARS in 2003 and the bird flu epidemic in 2004, the Vietnamese economy has maintained a high growth rate. Even towards the end of the 1990s, when the monetary crisis in South-east Asia started in Thailand in 1997 and drove regional economies to the brink of regression, Vietnam’s growth rate never dropped below 4.8 percent.

The article quoted Associate Professor Dr Do Duc Dinh, Deputy Editor in chief of the World Economic magazine run by the Institute of the World Economy, Science and Society of Vietnam, as saying that Vietnam’s export turnover in 2003 reached almost US$20 billion.

Worth of note was that exports to the US doubled in 2003 from 2002 following the signing of the bilateral trade agreement (BTA). Regardless of US lawsuits against Vietnam for dumping catfish and shrimp on its markets and the imposition of garment and textile quotas on Vietnamese businesses, exports are continuing to remain healthy.

From 2001-2003, Vietnam’s garment and textile exports to the US marked a sharp increase, from US$47 million to US$2.4 billion.

The sharp increase was attributable to improvements in State policies on agriculture and land allocation to poor farmers and high export growth rates on the back of a cheap workforce. In addition to this, the promulgation of the Enterprise Law in 2000 facilitated small businesses’ activities and created more jobs for workers, thus making substantial contributions to the growth rate of the national economy. Under the Enterprise Law, more than 50,000 enterprises were set up in Vietnam in late 2002.

Vietnam is seen as a champion among developing countries

The 2004 Vietnam Report released by the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) has highlighted Vietnam’s achievements in poverty reduction as the first and largest goal of eight Millennium Development Goals (MDGs). MDGs were pledged by State President Tran Duc Luong and leaders from 188 nations around the world in 2000.

Vietnam has made great strides in primary school education, clean water supplies, environmental protection, food security and reduction of mortality rate for children under five years old and mothers as well as improvements in the birth rate.

These achievements are very impressive as Vietnam’s per capital income stands at only US$400 per year. Vietnam has intensified huge investments in human resource development and illiteracy eradication across the country to lay a firm foundation for later successes in the renewal process, which was initiated in 1986. The UNDP report said during the past 15 years, thanks to continued economic growth, Vietnam is regarded as a champion among developing countries. It has reduced the poverty rate by a half, from 70 percent in the 1980s to around 29 percent in 2002. The achievement has helped Vietnam move closer and closer to MDGs targeting poverty reduction
tongbao_vince
Vietnam still has a higher poverty rate than China. On the big scale of things it is still and always be less than China in terms of economics. China grows from 8-13% a year. Even if it were 'growing' faster doesn't mean it will ever come close to rivaling China's.

Equatorial Guinea's growth rate is at least 20% a year. icon_rolleyes.gif

So what is the exact point of this post? Glad to see Vietnam doing better but out of the entire article that mentions China just once - you highlight that particular line.
Byron
I never said Vietnam would ever beat China. I said Vietnam is growing faster. Obviously when you are more poor you will grow faster usually.
Clean
QUOTE (tongbao_vince @ Sep 3 2004, 02:46 PM)
Vietnam still has a higher poverty rate than China. On the big scale of things it is still and always be less than China in terms of economics. China grows from 8-13% a year. Even if it were 'growing' faster doesn't mean it will ever come close to rivaling China's.

Equatorial Guinea's growth rate is at least 20% a year. icon_rolleyes.gif

So what is the exact point of this post? Glad to see Vietnam doing better but out of the entire article that mentions China just once - you highlight that particular line.

sure.gif I see some people have nothing better to do than just come in and put down other people's nation...

Honestly, does every single post created by a Viet have to turn into some suspicious anti-Chinese flame war? Jeez man. Like Byron said, it has nothing to do with general economics, just growth rate.

AND the point of this thread is to inform VIETS about Vietnam's current condition. It's like saying to Viets, although most of the hype is towards Chinese growth, Vietnam is also experiencing growth, so lets cheer for the home crowd. WOOT WOOT.

Jeez, fricken some people just have nothing better to do than go and assume the worst of every thread sure.gif
Nam Quoc Son Ha
At the moment, the Chinese economy is expanding at a faster rate than Vietnam's. But from an economic point of view, Vietnam is still underperforming (other tiger economies were expanding between 9-15% during their early stage of economic development like Vietnam is currently going through). There are many reasons to this, such as slow economic/political reform and we're still shut out of the World Trade Organization. China, on the other hand is showing signs of overheating (which prompted the central government to take measures to curb the growth) at around the 9.3% barrier.

Thus I can say that with good economic policies and management, it is not impossible for Vietnam to achieve sustainable economic growth of 8-9% while China settling at 7% in the long run.

Being a smaller country, Vietnam has the benefit of being able to achieve a faster economic growth without destabilizing the economic equilibrium and cause overheating.
supernovasp
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 3 2004, 06:28 PM)
At the moment, the Chinese economy is expanding at a faster rate than Vietnam's. But from an economic point of view, Vietnam is still underperforming (other tiger economies were expanding between 9-15% during their early stage of economic development like Vietnam is currently going through). There are many reasons to this, such as slow economic/political reform and we're still shut out of the World Trade Organization. China, on the other hand is showing signs of overheating (which prompted the central government to take measures to curb the growth) at around the 9.3% barrier.

Thus I can say that with good economic policies and management, it is not impossible for Vietnam to achieve sustainable economic growth of 8-9% while China settling at 7% in the long run.

Being a smaller country, Vietnam has the benefit of being able to achieve a faster economic growth without destabilizing the economic equilibrium and cause overheating.

Yea, reformation is a big thing that Vietnam goverment needs to work on. Why are those upper officials are so stubborn,,, icon_twisted.gif
Nam Quoc Son Ha
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Sep 3 2004, 06:42 PM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 3 2004, 06:28 PM)
At the moment, the Chinese economy is expanding at a faster rate than Vietnam's. But from an economic point of view, Vietnam is still underperforming (other tiger economies were expanding between 9-15% during their early stage of economic development like Vietnam is currently going through). There are many reasons to this, such as slow economic/political reform and we're still shut out of the World Trade Organization. China, on the other hand is showing signs of overheating (which prompted the central government to take measures to curb the growth) at around the 9.3% barrier.

Thus I can say that with good economic policies and management, it is not impossible for Vietnam to achieve sustainable economic growth of 8-9% while China settling at 7% in the long run.

Being a smaller country, Vietnam has the benefit of being able to achieve a faster economic growth without destabilizing the economic equilibrium and cause overheating.

Yea, reformation is a big thing that Vietnam goverment needs to work on. Why are those upper officials are so stubborn,,, icon_twisted.gif

Of course they want the system to remain the same so they can exploit it and get away with it.
Byron
Yes... grow.... grow.... yesssssssss......
福州市长
damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year...
Nam Quoc Son Ha
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 4 2004, 10:41 PM)
damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year...

Damn my family is richer than you... so what's your point? confused.gif
Jigoku Z
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 4 2004, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 4 2004, 10:41 PM)
damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year...

Damn my family is richer than you... so what's your point? confused.gif

He point was "damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year..." I'm not flaming so don't report me embarassedlaugh.gif
Nam Quoc Son Ha
QUOTE (Jigoku Z @ Sep 4 2004, 10:52 PM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 4 2004, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 4 2004, 10:41 PM)
damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year...

Damn my family is richer than you... so what's your point? confused.gif

He point was "damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year..." I'm not flaming so don't report me embarassedlaugh.gif

I'll flame you anyway, you're cool with that? icon_wink.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
福州市长
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 4 2004, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 4 2004, 10:41 PM)
damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year...

Damn my family is richer than you... so what's your point? confused.gif

i'm not talking about u... i'm talking about those people lived in vietnam
Jigoku Z
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 4 2004, 10:54 PM)
QUOTE (Jigoku Z @ Sep 4 2004, 10:52 PM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 4 2004, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 4 2004, 10:41 PM)
damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year...

Damn my family is richer than you... so what's your point? confused.gif

He point was "damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year..." I'm not flaming so don't report me embarassedlaugh.gif

I'll flame you anyway, you're cool with that? icon_wink.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

Typical Nam Q Son HAHAHA.... embarassedlaugh.gif Well I'm glad to see Vietnam is doing better...
福州市长
QUOTE (Jigoku Z @ Sep 4 2004, 10:56 PM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 4 2004, 10:54 PM)
QUOTE (Jigoku Z @ Sep 4 2004, 10:52 PM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 4 2004, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 4 2004, 10:41 PM)
damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year...

Damn my family is richer than you... so what's your point? confused.gif

He point was "damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year..." I'm not flaming so don't report me embarassedlaugh.gif

I'll flame you anyway, you're cool with that? icon_wink.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

Typical Nam Q Son HAHAHA.... embarassedlaugh.gif Well I'm glad to see Vietnam is doing better...

everyone wants vietnam can do better...
Nam Quoc Son Ha
QUOTE (Jigoku Z @ Sep 4 2004, 10:56 PM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 4 2004, 10:54 PM)
QUOTE (Jigoku Z @ Sep 4 2004, 10:52 PM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 4 2004, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 4 2004, 10:41 PM)
damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year...

Damn my family is richer than you... so what's your point? confused.gif

He point was "damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year..." I'm not flaming so don't report me embarassedlaugh.gif

I'll flame you anyway, you're cool with that? icon_wink.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

Typical Nam Q Son HAHAHA.... embarassedlaugh.gif Well I'm glad to see Vietnam is doing better...

I'm just mucking around dude, relax embarassedlaugh.gif

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everyone wants vietnam can do better...

Not everyone. Certainly not racist skinhead CNA members. You're a CNA member aren't you, Jigoku?
福州市长
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 4 2004, 11:00 PM)
QUOTE (Jigoku Z @ Sep 4 2004, 10:56 PM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 4 2004, 10:54 PM)
QUOTE (Jigoku Z @ Sep 4 2004, 10:52 PM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 4 2004, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 4 2004, 10:41 PM)
damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year...

Damn my family is richer than you... so what's your point? confused.gif

He point was "damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year..." I'm not flaming so don't report me embarassedlaugh.gif

I'll flame you anyway, you're cool with that? icon_wink.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

Typical Nam Q Son HAHAHA.... embarassedlaugh.gif Well I'm glad to see Vietnam is doing better...

I'm just mucking around dude, relax embarassedlaugh.gif

QUOTE
everyone wants vietnam can do better...

Not everyone. Certainly not racist skinhead CNA members. You're a CNA member aren't you, Jigoku?

u talking about me or jig??
hsinchi
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 4 2004, 10:57 PM)
QUOTE (Jigoku Z @ Sep 4 2004, 10:56 PM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 4 2004, 10:54 PM)
QUOTE (Jigoku Z @ Sep 4 2004, 10:52 PM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 4 2004, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 4 2004, 10:41 PM)
damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year...

Damn my family is richer than you... so what's your point? confused.gif

He point was "damn u guys only earn 400 US dollars per year..." I'm not flaming so don't report me embarassedlaugh.gif

I'll flame you anyway, you're cool with that? icon_wink.gif embarassedlaugh.gif

Typical Nam Q Son HAHAHA.... embarassedlaugh.gif Well I'm glad to see Vietnam is doing better...

everyone wants vietnam can do better...


Thanks beerchug.gif
VietNamDNCongHoa
Economic growth is always good news for Viet Communist Party. It would help the party members richer and the poor people poorer. Where do you think they get the money to send their children studying oversea, or built their mansions? From their behinds? No, major factories in VN owned by government, or by high ranking people and their relatives.

This year so far, Viet Nam has exported 3.37 billion USD worth of textiles and garments, a 38.3 percent increase over the same period last year.
The export value would have been higher if there had been no problems with exports to the US. The mismatch between the number of US-bound exports that were granted export licenses by the Vietnamese side and those registered by the US customs led to a temporarly halt in the granting of visas to some Vietnamese products. To reduce non-tariff trade barriers, Vietnamese businesses have joined hands with their American partners in a new type of venture: American businesses sell raw cotton to their Vietnamese partners, who will use it to make garments for exports back to the US. This is considered a closed-circuit production model beneficial to both sides.
So far this year, 631 Vietnamese garment makers, accounting for half of those exporting products to the US, have received orders for 2004. In EU market, however, Viet garment makers faced problem with competition from Chinese. Garments are not restricted by quotas in EU. Therefore it contributed to a decline in exports to garment market.

The tourist industry in VN also enjoys healthy growth. Vietnam received 168,295 visitors from the US, mostly Viet Kieu, in the first seven month of this year, up 34.3% on-year.

As Vietnam economy depends more and more on US market, it‘s now the time to pressure Vietnamese communist government for political reform.

Most Viet overseas are seeking the peaceful democratization of Vietnam, specifically by pressuring the Vietnamese communist government leadership to abandon its authoritarian rule. Vietnam should have a pluralistic democracy. Viet communist government should respect individual freedom and human rights.
tqt
QUOTE
Economic growth is always good news for Viet Communist Party. It would help the party members richer and the poor people poorer.

Go join iamViet forum
QUOTE
As Vietnam economy depends more and more on US market, it‘s now the time to pressure Vietnamese communist government for political reform.

Pressuring the Vietnamese government to become a puppet of the U.S like the great Quoc Gia Viet Nam Cong Hoa during the war?
VietNamDNCongHoa
QUOTE (tqt @ Sep 5 2004, 12:09 AM)
QUOTE
Economic growth is always good news for Viet Communist Party. It would help the party members richer and the poor people poorer.

Go join iamViet forum
QUOTE
As Vietnam economy depends more and more on US market, it‘s now the time to pressure Vietnamese communist government for political reform.

Pressuring the Vietnamese government to become a puppet of the U.S like the great Quoc Gia Viet Nam Cong Hoa during the war?

What's the difference? They are now doing the same thing.
herosword
QUOTE
As Vietnam economy depends more and more on US market, it‘s now the time to pressure Vietnamese communist government for political reform.

Most Viet overseas are seeking the peaceful democratization of Vietnam, specifically by pressuring the Vietnamese communist government leadership to abandon its authoritarian rule. Vietnam should have a pluralistic democracy. Viet communist government should respect individual freedom and human rights.


Hmmm...exactly the same point I been trying to sell all those times. Now someone else can talk about it and I can save a lot of typing time.

QUOTE
Economic growth is always good news for Viet Communist Party. It would help the party members richer and the poor people poorer.


No doubt that economic growth is positive developement for the Communist Party as you say, but it is not necessary true that the poor will get poorer. Even if the communist government is corrupt and does steal a large portion of the wealth (fuk them) there still the trickle -down effect so that Vietnamese people's life will be improved.

I hate the communist government but if you truly want a peaceful transition from an authoritarian regime to democratic regime you should be rooting for economic growth in Vietnam. When people's belly are full and they are more educated, they have more time to think about democracy and human rights. In the mean time, pro-democracy forces can still protest and bring international pressure to bear Vietnam so that it will open up in terms of political freedom.

QUOTE
Vietnam still has a higher poverty rate than China.


That's dubious. If you have creditable source bring it out. It's got a larger economy but doesn't mean that it's people got a better quality of life.
KTB
Should Beware any economic ties heavily relying on any individual market ,
its tying one's neck with anoother one's hand.
福州市长
man i don't want to see vietnam become another puppet state
VietNamDNCongHoa
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 5 2004, 09:38 AM)
man i don't want to see vietnam become another puppet state

No one wants to see VN as a puppet state. But everyone wants to see a Vietnam without restriction in religions, and individual rights.
福州市长
QUOTE (VietNamDNCongHoa @ Sep 5 2004, 11:47 AM)
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 5 2004, 09:38 AM)
man i don't want to see vietnam become another puppet state

No one wants to see VN as a puppet state. But everyone wants to see a Vietnam without restriction in religions, and individual rights.

there no religion freedom in vietnam??
VietNamDNCongHoa
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 5 2004, 11:55 AM)
QUOTE (VietNamDNCongHoa @ Sep 5 2004, 11:47 AM)
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 5 2004, 09:38 AM)
man i don't want to see vietnam become another puppet state

No one wants to see VN as a puppet state. But everyone wants to see a Vietnam without restriction in religions, and individual rights.

there no religion freedom in vietnam??

No. Unlike China, there is no religious freedom in VN. VC jailed Catholic priests, Protestant Minister, Buddish monks and several heads of other religions. They put up their people to become head of religious organization. That created outrage. Besides, they took away lands and close Christian churches in Central Highland. That created unrest.


Hundreds Of Vietnamese Christians Killed Over Easter Weekend

VIETNAM (ANS) -- An estimated 400 Christians have been killed in brutal repression of peaceful and prayerful demonstrations by Montagnard Christians in the Central Highlands of Vietnam, according to the Barnabas Fund, quoting information from The Montagnard Foundation.

The report states that on Saturday April 10, 2004 up to 400,000 Vietnamese Christians, from the Degar people, gathered in several Vietnamese cities to demonstrate against the government’s refusal to allow them to follow the Christian faith freely.

"The demonstrators in the cities, which included the Central Highland city of Buonmathuot, were attacked by soldiers, police and other Vietnamese civilians. The Christians were shot at, beaten with electric batons and bombarded with rocks and stones. Hundreds were killed (400 according to one report) and many others have suffered broken bones," the Barnabas Fund said.

A press release on April 9 from the Montagnard Foundation, an organization representing the largely Christian Degar people, drew attention to the planned demonstrations, which were to include a specific call for the Vietnamese government to lift the embargo on international human rights monitoring in the Central Highlands area.

In a word of warning concerning the demonstrations the Foundation cautioned that “Without the direct intervention of law abiding states, the UN and the European Commission, the repression against the Montagnards will be bloody.”

The Montagnard Foundation believes this incident may spark a refugee crisis, with thousands likely to head for the Cambodian border. To add to the woes of these people, the Cambodians have closed this border to refugees.

In a statement issued after the demonstrations had begun, Kok Ksor, the President of the Montagnard Foundation said that no attempt was made by the Christians to use violence. He also stated that the Christians are not seeking independence, merely the right to worship freely.

The Foundation has said, “Our people cannot continue suffering this way as the Vietnamese government continues to arrest, electric shock torture, and kill our peaceful hill tribe people for being Christian or for trying to save our ancestral land from being confiscated.”

Further details, quotes and photos on this and other stories may be available for news editors on request to Barnabas Fund and the Montagnard Foundation.

Barnabas Fund works to support Christian communities mainly, but not exclusively, in the Islamic world where they are facing poverty and persecution.

Barnabas Fund The Old Rectory, River Street, PEWSEY, Wiltshire, SN9 5DB, UK. Tel: +44(0)1672 564938, Fax: +44(0)1672 565030, E-mail: info@barnabasfund.org Web: www.barnabasfund.org

The Montagnard Foundation is dedicated to the Preservation of the Indigenous Peoples of Central Vietnam.
福州市长
QUOTE (VietNamDNCongHoa @ Sep 6 2004, 09:58 PM)
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 5 2004, 11:55 AM)
QUOTE (VietNamDNCongHoa @ Sep 5 2004, 11:47 AM)
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 5 2004, 09:38 AM)
man i don't want to see vietnam become another puppet state

No one wants to see VN as a puppet state. But everyone wants to see a Vietnam without restriction in religions, and individual rights.

there no religion freedom in vietnam??

No. Unlike China, there is no religious freedom in VN. VC jailed Catholic priests, Protestant Minister, Buddish monks and several heads of other religions. They put up their people to become head of religious organization. That created outrage. Besides, they took away lands and close Christian churches in Central Highland. That created unrest.


Hundreds Of Vietnamese Christians Killed Over Easter Weekend

VIETNAM (ANS) -- An estimated 400 Christians have been killed in brutal repression of peaceful and prayerful demonstrations by Montagnard Christians in the Central Highlands of Vietnam, according to the Barnabas Fund, quoting information from The Montagnard Foundation.

The report states that on Saturday April 10, 2004 up to 400,000 Vietnamese Christians, from the Degar people, gathered in several Vietnamese cities to demonstrate against the government’s refusal to allow them to follow the Christian faith freely.

"The demonstrators in the cities, which included the Central Highland city of Buonmathuot, were attacked by soldiers, police and other Vietnamese civilians. The Christians were shot at, beaten with electric batons and bombarded with rocks and stones. Hundreds were killed (400 according to one report) and many others have suffered broken bones," the Barnabas Fund said.

A press release on April 9 from the Montagnard Foundation, an organization representing the largely Christian Degar people, drew attention to the planned demonstrations, which were to include a specific call for the Vietnamese government to lift the embargo on international human rights monitoring in the Central Highlands area.

In a word of warning concerning the demonstrations the Foundation cautioned that “Without the direct intervention of law abiding states, the UN and the European Commission, the repression against the Montagnards will be bloody.”

The Montagnard Foundation believes this incident may spark a refugee crisis, with thousands likely to head for the Cambodian border. To add to the woes of these people, the Cambodians have closed this border to refugees.

In a statement issued after the demonstrations had begun, Kok Ksor, the President of the Montagnard Foundation said that no attempt was made by the Christians to use violence. He also stated that the Christians are not seeking independence, merely the right to worship freely.

The Foundation has said, “Our people cannot continue suffering this way as the Vietnamese government continues to arrest, electric shock torture, and kill our peaceful hill tribe people for being Christian or for trying to save our ancestral land from being confiscated.”

Further details, quotes and photos on this and other stories may be available for news editors on request to Barnabas Fund and the Montagnard Foundation.

Barnabas Fund works to support Christian communities mainly, but not exclusively, in the Islamic world where they are facing poverty and persecution.

Barnabas Fund The Old Rectory, River Street, PEWSEY, Wiltshire, SN9 5DB, UK. Tel: +44(0)1672 564938, Fax: +44(0)1672 565030, E-mail: info@barnabasfund.org Web: www.barnabasfund.org

The Montagnard Foundation is dedicated to the Preservation of the Indigenous Peoples of Central Vietnam.

no wonder vietnamese in here hates vietnam so much, u know whenever i was talking to my vietnamese friend's parents about communist, they will say bad communist, blah blah..
it is so cool to talk to u guys..learn something new everyday
aaronly
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 6 2004, 10:22 PM)
QUOTE (VietNamDNCongHoa @ Sep 6 2004, 09:58 PM)
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 5 2004, 11:55 AM)
QUOTE (VietNamDNCongHoa @ Sep 5 2004, 11:47 AM)
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Sep 5 2004, 09:38 AM)
man i don't want to see vietnam become another puppet state

No one wants to see VN as a puppet state. But everyone wants to see a Vietnam without restriction in religions, and individual rights.

there no religion freedom in vietnam??

No. Unlike China, there is no religious freedom in VN. VC jailed Catholic priests, Protestant Minister, Buddish monks and several heads of other religions. They put up their people to become head of religious organization. That created outrage. Besides, they took away lands and close Christian churches in Central Highland. That created unrest.


Hundreds Of Vietnamese Christians Killed Over Easter Weekend

VIETNAM (ANS) -- An estimated 400 Christians have been killed in brutal repression of peaceful and prayerful demonstrations by Montagnard Christians in the Central Highlands of Vietnam, according to the Barnabas Fund, quoting information from The Montagnard Foundation.

The report states that on Saturday April 10, 2004 up to 400,000 Vietnamese Christians, from the Degar people, gathered in several Vietnamese cities to demonstrate against the government’s refusal to allow them to follow the Christian faith freely.

"The demonstrators in the cities, which included the Central Highland city of Buonmathuot, were attacked by soldiers, police and other Vietnamese civilians. The Christians were shot at, beaten with electric batons and bombarded with rocks and stones. Hundreds were killed (400 according to one report) and many others have suffered broken bones," the Barnabas Fund said.

A press release on April 9 from the Montagnard Foundation, an organization representing the largely Christian Degar people, drew attention to the planned demonstrations, which were to include a specific call for the Vietnamese government to lift the embargo on international human rights monitoring in the Central Highlands area.

In a word of warning concerning the demonstrations the Foundation cautioned that “Without the direct intervention of law abiding states, the UN and the European Commission, the repression against the Montagnards will be bloody.”

The Montagnard Foundation believes this incident may spark a refugee crisis, with thousands likely to head for the Cambodian border. To add to the woes of these people, the Cambodians have closed this border to refugees.

In a statement issued after the demonstrations had begun, Kok Ksor, the President of the Montagnard Foundation said that no attempt was made by the Christians to use violence. He also stated that the Christians are not seeking independence, merely the right to worship freely.

The Foundation has said, “Our people cannot continue suffering this way as the Vietnamese government continues to arrest, electric shock torture, and kill our peaceful hill tribe people for being Christian or for trying to save our ancestral land from being confiscated.”

Further details, quotes and photos on this and other stories may be available for news editors on request to Barnabas Fund and the Montagnard Foundation.

Barnabas Fund works to support Christian communities mainly, but not exclusively, in the Islamic world where they are facing poverty and persecution.

Barnabas Fund The Old Rectory, River Street, PEWSEY, Wiltshire, SN9 5DB, UK. Tel: +44(0)1672 564938, Fax: +44(0)1672 565030, E-mail: info@barnabasfund.org Web: www.barnabasfund.org

The Montagnard Foundation is dedicated to the Preservation of the Indigenous Peoples of Central Vietnam.

no wonder vietnamese in here hates vietnam so much, u know whenever i was talking to my vietnamese friend's parents about communist, they will say bad communist, blah blah..
it is so cool to talk to u guys..learn something new everyday

only a handful of vietnamese still hate vietnam, i honestly see no reasons to hate vietnam now, i rather have peace, stable government, and a fast growing economy then a stupid so call rebellion with chaos and deaths just to restore a fake democracy in vietnam
Nam Quoc Son Ha
I don't think Vietnamese people who "hates" Vietnam hates Vietnam, they're rather anti-government and anti-communism.
DaiNamViet
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 6 2004, 11:27 PM)
I don't think Vietnamese people who "hates" Vietnam hates Vietnam, they're rather anti-government and anti-communism.

Its true, I hate those VC pigs madgo.gif madgo.gif madgo.gif madgo.gif
Rocky Cuong V
^ lolz i like VC actually, but i don't like Governement.
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