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Nano
What do you think of the Japanese bushido code? The Japanese samurai warrior code which led to the heroic (some, not me, but some might say foolish) fighting of the Japanese in WW2. Do you think that modern Japanese have lost it and it's a shame? Or is it out of age, too old for today's wars? Or do you think it's a foolish and easy way to die?

wonda51

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What do you think of the Japanese bushido code? The Japanese samurai warrior code which led to the heroic (some, not me, but some might say foolish) fighting of the Japanese in WW2. Do you think that modern Japanese have lost it and it's a shame? Or is it out of age, too old for today's wars? Or do you think it's a foolish and easy way to die?


i think it is a shame that the Japanese lose the Bushido
Nano
QUOTE(wonda51 @ Jul 2 2008, 03:04 AM) [snapback]3787698[/snapback]
i think it is a shame that the Japanese lose the Bushido


Yes, I agree, Japanese culture seems to be losing ground to pop and american culture
Mangafan2
that's not a bad thing.
the bushido code can still be maintained by just training it.
you don't have to use it in real life matters.
it's only for the better that there aren't any wars anymore that they can use the bushido code for.
wonda51
QUOTE(Nano @ Jul 2 2008, 04:22 AM) [snapback]3787756[/snapback]
Yes, I agree, Japanese culture seems to be losing ground to pop and american culture



someone would say kamikazes were stupid...
however , do you remenber a movie " independence day"
a pilot plunged into UFO with plane to defend.......... icon_wink.gif
i think Japanese's idea is different with Chinese and korean because of Bushido.
The Japanese shows respect to even enemy's dead or enemy
There is no custom of hitting the whip to the dead.


anyway, Japan is standing and exsisting on so many young men's sacrifices .They tried to defend the country at the expense of their life. As far as exsisting this history in Japan, I believe Japan would restore in every her crisis for them.


today is a peace era...
and bushido's main idea is to find the death. that is, poupose of the life...

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Kamikaze

Thoughts by Lieutenant Ryoji Uehara
Born September 27, 1922
Graduated from the Department of Economics, Keio University

This was written by him the night before the assault.

I feel deeply honored and privileged to have been chosen to become a member of the Army's "Special Attack Corps," which embodies the glory of Japan. Having delved deeply into logic and philosophy at my university, what I am about to say can be described as the ideology of liberalism. What is obvious to me is the inevitable triumph of liberty. An inherent and essential element of all humans, freedom cannot possibly be destroyed. Even though at times such feelings may be suppressed internally, they are constantly fighting to emerge and will eventually prevail. This is a belief and truth stated by the Italian philosopher Benedetto Croce

It is a clear fact that authoritarian and totalitarian governments may at times flourish; but ultimately they will be defeated. We can see the truth of that when observing the governments that are playing leading roles in the world war, as manifested by the defeat of Fascist Italy, not to mention Nazi Germany. Authoritarian governments are disappearing one after the other, crumbling like buildings without a foundation. The universality of this truth is now being tested by reality. Just as history has shown in the past, liberty will once again prevail and flourish.

These beliefs that I hold may turn out to be catastrophic for my homeland; but the fact that what I have believed in all along has proven correct gives me nothing but satisfaction. Today's struggle, whatever form it may take, stems from differences in ideology; and the result is predictable on the basis of those belief systems. Thus, the ambition of having my beloved Japan become a mighty empire like that of Great Britain must remain unfulfilled.

If the leadership positions in Japan had been held by those who truly love Japan, my country would not have been driven into the situation it faces today.

My dream was to be a person able to take pride in being a Japanese, no matter where one may be in the world.

What one of my friends once said is true: a pilot of the Special Attack Corps is merely a mechanical instrument. He just steers the apparatus. He is only a molecule within a steel device intended to stick fast to an enemy aircraft carrier, possessing neither personality nor emotions.

If one thinks about it rationally, this act is incomprehensible. These pilots are simply suicidal. This is a phenomenon that occurs only in a country such as Japan, a nation that places so much emphasis on the spiritual aspect of life.

Since I am nothing but a machine, I have no right to state my case. I only wish that the Japan that I dearly love will someday be made great by my fellow citizens.

In such an emotional state, my death may accomplish nothing. Nonetheless, as I stated at the outset, I feel quite honored to have been chosen to be a member of the Special Attack Corps. True, once inside an aircraft, I am a mere instrument; but when not aboard, I do have emotions and passion.
When the woman for whom I cared so dearly passed away, I died with her, emotionally. I believe that she waits for me in Heaven, where we will be reunited. Death does not frighten me, because it occurs as part of the process of going to Heaven.

Tomorrow is the day for the assault. My motivation is highly unorthodox, so it is not worthy of public notice. I just wish to express the true feelings inside me. Please forgive me for my disorganized thoughts. Tomorrow a man who has always advocated the values of freedom and liberty will depart from this earth. Although he may appear forlorn, he is in fact very content.

Once again, please forgive my rambling.

Date of death: May 11, 1945

Among his effects left behind was a book on philosophy written by Benedetto Croce. In the book there were markings here and there. When one strings together the characters so marked, it reads as follows: "Goodbye, my beloved Kyoko. I loved you so much; but even then you were already engaged, so it was very painful for me. Thinking only of your happiness, I suppressed the urge to whisper into your ear that I loved you. I love you still."


at first ,Their intentions are succeeded.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=8ury5nqEuwA
Nano
To say that Kamikaze are stupid is not only very dishonourable, it itself is stupid. The Kamikazis died for their country, sacrificed their lives, litteraly, for Japan. Regardless of what you may think about such an action, the truth is, they are dead, and they died willingy for Japan. That has to be respected, opinions aside.
orangesoda
QUOTE(wonda51 @ Jul 2 2008, 06:51 AM) [snapback]3787810[/snapback]
The Japanese shows respect to even enemy's dead or enemy
There is no custom of hitting the whip to the dead.


LOLOL BULL$hit. Ever hear about about Japan's war crimes in China, Korea, and what they did to POWs? Or look at Unit 731.

Anyway, the whole "kamikaze/bushido" thing is retarded. Only naive anime dorks and japanophiles glorify it.

The Japanese were evil and extremely foolish during WW2. It's like Japanese society was this giant cult that worshipped their stupid emperor as a god -- the same emperor who kowtowed to General MacArthur at the end of the war.

The kamikaze pilots were no different from fanatical Muslim suicide bombers. Like them, they were brainwashed cultists fed tons and tons of propaganda.

The surrendering Japanese soldiers who saw through the bull$hit propaganda and realized that Americans weren't coming to torture them along with killing and raping their families are the ones that should be honored. They were the most intelligent and courageous.
Chillin
it was crazy, but it definitely gave the warriors an edge..
but yea, it lead them to do some wacky shiet, (e.g. when mongols invaded japan)

Mangafan2
kamikazes were only done by japanese who had no life or weren't mentally stable.
they used to get drunk aswell before crashing into stuff.
wonda51
QUOTE(Mangafan2 @ Jul 4 2008, 03:55 PM) [snapback]3791686[/snapback]
kamikazes were only done by japanese who had no life or weren't mentally stable.
they used to get drunk aswell before crashing into stuff.


it was a just ceremony of good bye.
only one shot of sake...

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=aQlcxo3gOJ0
wonda51
Japanese Bushido: An Untold Story between British and Japanese Soldiers

Former British Naval Officer Sir Fall comes to Japan 60 years after the war to tell an untold story of respect and bravery on the battlefield. The Japanese Officer had not told anyone of this story.

http://www.oniazuma.com/2008/01/japanese-b...ry-between.html
Dokbokki
QUOTE(wonda51 @ Jul 6 2008, 12:24 PM) [snapback]3793695[/snapback]
Japanese Bushido: An Untold Story between British and Japanese Soldiers

Former British Naval Officer Sir Fall comes to Japan 60 years after the war to tell an untold story of respect and bravery on the battlefield. The Japanese Officer had not told anyone of this story.

http://www.oniazuma.com/2008/01/japanese-b...ry-between.html


Stop posting that www.oniazuma.com, that's personal blog site.
Are you author of oniazuma.com ?
wonda51
QUOTE(Dokbokki @ Jul 9 2008, 10:08 PM) [snapback]3801647[/snapback]
Stop posting that www.oniazuma.com, that's personal blog site.
Are you author of oniazuma.com ?

????
this is a TV document....LOL


http://hnn.us/roundup/comments/22336.html
if there were such like girls in korea, there would not be korean war..
http://specific-asian-flash.web.infoseek.co.jp/otome.html

Joseph Stalin said " 19th Aug is a sad day for Russian"
then he gave up to land hokkaido
manko
QUOTE(Nano @ Jul 1 2008, 03:43 PM) [snapback]3786777[/snapback]
What do you think of the Japanese bushido code? The Japanese samurai warrior code which led to the heroic (some, not me, but some might say foolish) fighting of the Japanese in WW2. Do you think that modern Japanese have lost it and it's a shame? Or is it out of age, too old for today's wars? Or do you think it's a foolish and easy way to die?



What's the need for "Bushido code" in an Era of Peace, especially when Japan has become a Pacifist nation? This is also an Era of Convenience so long as it's this Era, any Population will grow differently then their ancestors did. Most of us don't live in harsh conditions that they lived in.
KJlost
QUOTE(Nano @ Jul 2 2008, 09:05 AM) [snapback]3787970[/snapback]
To say that Kamikaze are stupid is not only very dishonourable, it itself is stupid. The Kamikazis died for their country, sacrificed their lives, litteraly, for Japan. Regardless of what you may think about such an action, the truth is, they are dead, and they died willingy for Japan. That has to be respected, opinions aside.


Willingly eh? Country under threat of complete and total defeat, charges of cowardice thrown about with the weight of treason, and the government making heros out of few successful attacks. Yep, completely and honestly willing and all-volunteer affair, no pressure whatsoever.
tristan215
i respect the japanese of the samurai way.

but the japanese now are just white people @$$ kissers, sorry no offence.

anyway that bushido code is long gone, and the samurai with it.

the only thing now for the japanese is to hope that the americans will defend there country now lol.
furball
Bushido:

1) Offer your @$$ to your superiors
2) @$$ rape your inferiors

The above two lines just about sums Bushido. And I guess this also explains Japan's fascination with anal sex all throughout its history.
ChoSeungHuiIsMyHero
QUOTE(furball @ Jul 20 2008, 06:44 PM) [snapback]3821357[/snapback]
Bushido:

1) Offer your @$$ to your superiors
2) @$$ rape your inferiors

The above two lines just about sums Bushido. And I guess this also explains Japan's fascination with anal sex all throughout its history.


Hmm....actually that sounds exactly like the living code for modern Koreans. No wonder Korean men are so preoccupied with holding each others hands and gay sex. Ever walk into a Korean bathhouse? If you are a foreigner, they always stare at your penis. It's like those cockoreans have an obsession for other men's d!cks.

kunomchu
having beheading contests on unarmed captives is sure honorable. lol
Benn
What Bushido that whomever started was talking about the buddhist influence stuff.

Not every samurai followed bushido, although there suppose to @$$ not every damn American politician abide by the Constitution (bush) although theresuppose to.

besides like European knights, most samurai were given rights be punk anyone around....they can cut or punish any peasant if they wanted to.

the bushido code followers are to highlight the best of samurais..
AznYamimusha00
It is a shame that Bushido is gone. The sense of honor an duty are gone. Some of you may have different views, but i think that Japan has lost it's way. I don't mean to offend anyone by these words, it's just the words of a lost warrior. I am bearig the burden of a samurai spirit. I'm not Japanese, but I wish I was. I have a spiritual sense. I have seen spirits and feel their presense. Forgive my rudeness, I am Billy Mitsamphanh. I am 17, Laotian, and Nippon-crazed. Everything I said is true.

If Japan had not changed, Bushido would have led the way to a peaceful era.
nurby
Lol, consumerism, mass media and endless amount of porn and have reduced japanese to an almost infant-like state.
AznYamimusha00
QUOTE (nurby @ Jul 26 2009, 10:46 PM) *
Lol, consumerism, mass media and endless amount of porn and have reduced japanese to an almost infant-like state.

I agree, but are you sure it wasn't American influence or the Coming of the Black Ships of Matthew Perry?
mrsallonby
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What do you think of the Japanese bushido code? The Japanese samurai warrior code which led to the heroic (some, not me, but some might say foolish) fighting of the Japanese in WW2.


Japan in WWII is a demonstration of brainwashing/ultra-nationalism/fascism than bushido. Bushido was long dead, though some remnants of it survive.

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but are you sure it wasn't American influence or the Coming of the Black Ships of Matthew Perry?


So a big guy with guns show up, and you abandon your spiritual/philosophical/ethical/political tenets? I don't know much, but that doesn't really sound like Bushido.

The fazing out of bushido seemed more to do with internal struggles (feudal lords vs. emperor), and the winner replaced the feudal code of bushido with fukoku kyohei.
nurby
QUOTE (AznYamimusha00 @ Jul 27 2009, 07:13 AM) *
I agree, but are you sure it wasn't American influence or the Coming of the Black Ships of Matthew Perry?


sure, it's American influence, consumerism can dumb-down Japanese just like it has dumbed down Americans.
manko
QUOTE (AznYamimusha00 @ Jul 26 2009, 11:05 PM) *
It is a shame that Bushido is gone. The sense of honor an duty are gone. Some of you may have different views, but i think that Japan has lost it's way. I don't mean to offend anyone by these words, it's just the words of a lost warrior. I am bearig the burden of a samurai spirit. I'm not Japanese, but I wish I was. I have a spiritual sense. I have seen spirits and feel their presense. Forgive my rudeness, I am Billy Mitsamphanh. I am 17, Laotian, and Nippon-crazed. Everything I said is true.

If Japan had not changed, Bushido would have led the way to a peaceful era.

Bushido was never widespread or as common as Japan would have you believe.

QUOTE (nurby @ Jul 26 2009, 11:46 PM) *
Lol, consumerism, mass media and endless amount of porn and have reduced japanese to an almost infant-like state.

Not really. The problem is lack of militaristic responsibility.

QUOTE (mrsallonby @ Jul 27 2009, 01:33 PM) *
Japan in WWII is a demonstration of brainwashing/ultra-nationalism/fascism than bushido. Bushido was long dead, though some remnants of it survive.

The only way you could follow Bushido is if you were brainwashed. Bushido may have been followed but not as common as you think in the past. If you look behind facade of Japanese culture, you'll realize it's much more complex than that.

QUOTE (mrsallonby @ Jul 27 2009, 01:33 PM) *
So a big guy with guns show up, and you abandon your spiritual/philosophical/ethical/political tenets? I don't know much, but that doesn't really sound like Bushido.

The fazing out of bushido seemed more to do with internal struggles (feudal lords vs. emperor), and the winner replaced the feudal code of bushido with fukoku kyohei.

Feudal lords became modern day Politicians. It took a while but they learned so things didn't change much from feudal times. Family bloodlines still run $hit today.

QUOTE (nurby @ Jul 27 2009, 02:35 PM) *
sure, it's American influence, consumerism can dumb-down Japanese just like it has dumbed down Americans.

Consumerism only dumbs down who you want it to dumb down. It insures the top dogs remain the top dogs as long as they do right.
nurby
QUOTE (manko @ Jul 27 2009, 04:54 PM) *
Not really. The problem is lack of militaristic responsibility.


really? Germany depand on US military for protection, yet i don't see them become infants.
manko
QUOTE (nurby @ Jul 27 2009, 08:47 PM) *
really? Germany depand on US military for protection, yet i don't see them become infants.


Germans have a little something called conscription.
AznYamimusha00
QUOTE (nurby @ Jul 27 2009, 01:35 PM) *
sure, it's American influence, consumerism can dumb-down Japanese just like it has dumbed down Americans.

I have some questions for all of you:
What would Japan be like if the feudal system remained?
Would things have changed still?
What are your thoughts about th Remnant's of Bushido?
nurby
QUOTE (manko @ Jul 27 2009, 04:54 PM) *
Consumerism only dumbs down who you want it to dumb down. It insures the top dogs remain the top dogs as long as they do right.


As long as they do right? I don't think so. consumerism is about creating false needs, so you keep buying what it tells you you need, instead of what you really need. What people really need is normal human relationship, not this
manko
QUOTE (nurby @ Jul 27 2009, 11:49 PM) *
As long as they do right? I don't think so. consumerism is about creating false needs, so you keep buying what it tells you you need, instead of what you really need. What people really need is normal human relationship, not this


Instead of ranting your same view about consumerism, read what I wrote. What people really need is not the concerns of who stay in power unless it compromises their power.
nurby
QUOTE (manko @ Jul 27 2009, 11:57 PM) *
Instead of ranting your same view about consumerism, read what I wrote. What people really need is not the concerns of who stay in power unless it compromises their power.


The only thing that can compromise their power is if people care enough to vote them out of power.
nurby
QUOTE (manko @ Jul 27 2009, 11:57 PM) *
Instead of ranting your same view about consumerism, read what I wrote. What people really need is not the concerns of who stay in power unless it compromises their power.


The only thing that can compromise their power is if people care enough to vote them out of power. However, consumerism help keep them distracted.
nurby
QUOTE (AznYamimusha00 @ Jul 27 2009, 10:23 PM) *
What are your thoughts about th Remnant's of Bushido?


I think now Bushido is mostly taught to salarymen so they will work hard and be completely loyal to the corporation they work for.
AznYamimusha00
QUOTE (tristan215 @ Jul 20 2008, 05:52 PM) *
i respect the japanese of the samurai way.

but the japanese now are just white people @$$ kissers, sorry no offence.

anyway that bushido code is long gone, and the samurai with it.

the only thing now for the japanese is to hope that the americans will defend there country now lol.

That's not true, there are still some of us who practice Bushido. The samurai are gone, but their spirit lives on in the people.
AznYamimusha00
QUOTE (nurby @ Jul 28 2009, 02:17 AM) *
I think now Bushido is mostly taught to salarymen so they will work hard and be completely loyal to the corporation they work for.

A pity. The code of honor is reduced to economic uses, rather than military buildup.
I see that the code means well for loyalty. The salarymen are the samurai, while the corporation is the daimyo; but the overall battle is determined by the hardest workers and business negotiations.
mrsallonby
QUOTE (nurby @ Jul 28 2009, 03:17 AM) *
I think now Bushido is mostly taught to salarymen so they will work hard and be completely loyal to the corporation they work for.


Bushido isn't just about loyalty; it involves an ethical philosophy on life, integrity, and personal judgment
The Japanese corporations try to insure loyalty by family corporatism, or "on the same boat" mentality. You just follow the orders regardless of its rectitude
Ty-Rex
QUOTE (furball @ Jul 21 2008, 08:44 AM) *
Bushido:

1) Offer your @$$ to your superiors
2) @$$ rape your inferiors

The above two lines just about sums Bushido. And I guess this also explains Japan's fascination with anal sex all throughout its history.

That about sums it up.
AlexJones
It's also about standing up for what's right in our hearts. And fighting tyranny in all forms and keeping our honor. To uphold our spirits and love each other as human beings and fight the cowardly scums who want to destroy life.
Maoism
People on here are idiots. Much of this thread is wrong and misinformed, but I'd rather have you guys be wrong than to be right. So, carry on.
Czechoslovakia
when one has shame one self beyond repair i believe one should exercise bushido and rip their guts out.
kfighter
We Japanese have not lost our Bushido Code. It is within our MMA fighters like Kawajiri, Minowa, Aoki, and so on. They are the modern samurai.
lilasiankid
QUOTE (Nano @ Jul 1 2008, 02:43 PM) *
What do you think of the Japanese bushido code? The Japanese samurai warrior code which led to the heroic (some, not me, but some might say foolish) fighting of the Japanese in WW2. Do you think that modern Japanese have lost it and it's a shame? Or is it out of age, too old for today's wars? Or do you think it's a foolish and easy way to die?



I guess you can say they lost it or you could say they aren't as insane anymore lol. If it was around, everyone in Japan today would commit seppuku. embarassedlaugh.gif

Before the Atom bombs were dropped on Japan, the Japanese leaders were ready for all Japanese to fight against the American invasion of their homeland and they wanted Japan as a nation and it's people to have one final, glorious ending.
YourMuDoIsWeak
QUOTE (kfighter @ Oct 10 2009, 01:03 AM) *
We Japanese have not lost our Bushido Code. It is within our MMA fighters like Kawajiri, Minowa, Aoki, and so on. They are the modern samurai.

I think the Kyokushin and Daido guys epitomize it much more.
chiuchimu
QUOTE (kfighter @ Oct 10 2009, 12:03 AM) *
We Japanese have not lost our Bushido Code. It is within our MMA fighters like Kawajiri, Minowa, Aoki, and so on. They are the modern samurai.


I don't know.

I think your trying to say "fighting Spirit" to which I totally agree. But, Bushido code has more to do with how a samurai is to serve his Lord. It also is about how one should conduct oneself but that's about it.

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