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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/sin.../349592/1/.html

THE HAGUE: The International Court of Justice (ICJ) at The Hague in the Netherlands has awarded sovereignty of Pedra Branca island to Singapore, while the sovereignty of Middle Rocks has been awarded to Malaysia.

The world court delivered the judgment on Friday, after several rounds of written and oral pleadings by disputing countries Singapore and Malaysia. The ICJ last heard arguments from both sides in November 2007.

For Pedra Branca, ICJ's 16-member bench voted 12-4 in favour of Singapore. Ownership of Middle Rocks, a maritime feature 0.6 nautical miles from Pedra Branca, was voted 15-1 to Malaysia.

As for South Ledge, Awn Shawkat Al-Khasawneh, the Acting President of International Court of Justice, said: "The Court has not been mandated by the parties to draw the line of delimitation with respect to the territorial waters of Malaysia and Singapore in the area in question. In these circumstances, the court concludes that for the reasons explained above, sovereignty over South Ledge, as a low tide elevation, belongs to the State in the territorial waters of which it is located."

The verdict brings to a close a 28-year row between the two neighbours. The dispute arose in 1980 when Singapore protested against a new Malaysian map of its maritime boundaries, which claimed the islet for itself.

Years of bilateral talks failed to resolve the matter and the parties agreed to seek the intervention of the UN court.

Pedra Branca, which Malaysia calls Pulau Batu Puteh, is located some 24 nautical miles to the east of Singapore and it commands the entire eastern approach to the Singapore Strait, through which almost 900 ships pass daily.

Pedra Branca also houses the Horsburgh Lighthouse, the oldest feature on the island which was built by the British between 1847 and 1851.

Leaders from both Singapore and Malaysia had said they would accept the ICJ's decision and stressed that whichever way it went, it would not affect bilateral ties.

Diplomat and Dean of the S Rajaratnam School of International Studies, Barry Desker, said the judgement indicates that Southeast Asia is moving to accept the broader norms of international law.

He added that it augurs well for the dispute settlement mechanism of the ASEAN Charter and will set precedence for the way Singapore and Malaysia deal with their other outstanding bilateral issues.

Mr Desker said: "In the past, the tendency in ASEAN was to try and resolve issues purely by mediation or negotiations between two parties. The result was that issues or disputes between parties in the region tended to go on and on without completion, without successful negotiation.

"I think we are now moving in the direction of accepting a turn to international law – a willingness to accept international arbitration and this bodes well for issues in which there are bilateral differences." biggthumpup.gif

tangawizi
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progen

Shocking. I was not aware of that the world court can settle territorial disputes.

I thought that gunboats were the only way to settle territorial disputes.

tangawizi
Which rock did u come out from, Harbin?? embarassedlaugh.gif

Well, it's not surprising as both the judicial systems of Msia and SG are British in origin, so it's quite easy for both nations to refer their disputes to an anglo-system for settlement.

China, on the other hand, is definitely an odd-ball. I don't know if they'll ever refer any dispute to any form of international legal forum like this ICJ? For example the quesiton of Taiwan's sovereignty. They'd rather fight and have gunboat diplomacy right?
progen
QUOTE(tangawizi @ May 23 2008, 07:45 PM) [snapback]3714560[/snapback]
Which rock did u come out from, Harbin?? embarassedlaugh.gif

Well, it's not surprising as both the judicial systems of Msia and SG are British in origin, so it's quite easy for both nations to refer their disputes to an anglo-system for settlement.

China, on the other hand, is definitely an odd-ball. I don't know if they'll ever refer any dispute to any form of international legal forum like this ICJ? For example the quesiton of Taiwan's sovereignty. They'd rather fight and have gunboat diplomacy right?


Ha ha ha, funny.

Well, nowadays, China has more gunboats, and therefore naturally prefer them over ICJs, or whatever.

DutchEastIndiesMan
Gunboats are nothing compare to destroyers, cruisers, frigates...... embarassedlaugh.gif
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Esfandiari
QUOTE(tangawizi @ May 23 2008, 07:45 PM) [snapback]3714560[/snapback]
Which rock did u come out from, Harbin?? embarassedlaugh.gif

Well, it's not surprising as both the judicial systems of Msia and SG are British in origin, so it's quite easy for both nations to refer their disputes to an anglo-system for settlement.

China, on the other hand, is definitely an odd-ball. I don't know if they'll ever refer any dispute to any form of international legal forum like this ICJ? For example the quesiton of Taiwan's sovereignty. They'd rather fight and have gunboat diplomacy right?


You're so damn right!! China is a war-prone country in settling disputes! I just hate it each time they threaten to invade Taiwan if it declares independence, though as a principle, I do agree that Taiwan is a part of China but unification should be done peacefully..

I think Malaysia and Singapore have shown maturity in agreeing to settle their territorial disputes peacefully through ICJ. Sure, many Malaysians are disappointed at not winning Batu Puteh/Pedra Branca but at the end of the day, most of us in Malaysia sigh with relief that the this thorn-in-the-flesh or pain-in-the-as* problem is now solved once and for all. Besides, we win Middle Rocks, so that compensates. The two countries can now look forward for better relations.

A Singapore-Malaysia war over Batu Puteh/Pedra Branca isn't worth the crap!!

But heck..no way will we ever take the Sabah case to ICJ to settle our dispute with Philippines claims over Sabah!! Heheheheh! $hit!! Sabah is just fuc-ing too humongous to gamble at ICJ!! Uh uh no way!! Sorry Pinoys, you can keep on insisting ICJ, but no way!!!! If we lose Sabah at ICJ...heaves forbids...all of us in Malaysia will commit suicide simultaneously!!Then Philippines can take all of Malaysia as well because we're all dead!!! Hahahahha!!!
progen

Luckily that you had two rocks so that ICJ can award one of each. I wonder what would happen if you only had one rock.

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But heck..no way will we ever take the Sabah case to ICJ to settle our dispute with Philippines claims over Sabah!! Heheheheh! $hit!! Sabah is just fuc-ing too humongous to gamble at ICJ!! Uh uh no way!! Sorry Pinoys, you can keep on insisting ICJ, but no way!!!! If we lose Sabah at ICJ...heaves forbids...all of us in Malaysia will commit suicide simultaneously!!Then Philippines can take all of Malaysia as well because we're all dead!!! Hahahahha!!!


I surmise that if you had only one rock, the dispute would still have to be settled by gunboats.

Esfandiari
QUOTE(progen @ May 24 2008, 08:46 AM) [snapback]3715628[/snapback]
Luckily that you had two rocks so that ICJ can award one of each. I wonder what would happen if you only had one rock.
I surmise that if you had only one rock, the dispute would still have to be settled by gunboats.


Corrections: actually 3 rocks in that dispute with Singapore! One for Singapore (Pedra Branca), one for Malaysia (Middle Rocks) and one for the little girl who lives down the lane!!!
tangawizi
Actually they are not just rocks... the fact that the ICJ awarded Middle Rocks to Malaysia means that all the sea territory up to the Middle Rocks belong to msia. There will still be alot of nitty gritty to work out as to the protocol for access by msian and sg navies on their waters towards the rocks...
Meruboy
If only Israelites agree to bring the Gaza & Golan Heights issues to ICJ beerchug.gif

I think there's a third island in despute, and the result could go either way. Maybe both countries should jointly develop the rock island (what's its name??) and save everybody's time & money. What do you think?
tangawizi
Develop the third island rock? What into a casino???? eek.gif There is only burung berak on that island ... it's tiny isn't it??? embarassedlaugh.gif
ricochet
QUOTE(tangawizi @ May 28 2008, 05:50 PM) [snapback]3722736[/snapback]
Develop the third island rock? What into a casino???? eek.gif There is only burung berak on that island ... it's tiny isn't it??? embarassedlaugh.gif


wonder how will singapore draws her borders...so far out. How was it when xmas island was under singapore....any idea?
tangawizi
Hmmm.... dunno... maybe at the time, we didn't own that xmas island long enough to draw any map???
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