Hi all,

I am a Vietnamese and new here. This is my very first post. But I am afraid it is also the last one. These days, I have read a lot of insulting messages back and forth especially those involving the Vietnamese and the Chinese. While, I have to admit that, some Chinese did give inappropriate comments, some of my fellow Vietnamese, as I observed, also have been overusing nationalism. Who started it first? I don't know. When it starts, it never stops. But I think, whoever participates in giving insulting posts more or less contributes into the accumulation of hatred attitude and is at fault. The relationship between two groups of people is not something that if another group of people don't like, then they destroy. They don't need that relationship, others do.

Well, I admire your patriotism. However, to the best of my knowledge, this kind of nationalism is kinda a distorted one. Images of military victories in the past are never meant to be used this way. Saying "kicking somebody's @$$ back to their country" is never appropriate to anyone as you will hurt feelings of other people of the same ethnic group who are irrelevant. Those people didn't do any crimes to your people and my people. I notice that some members of other groups are not as hostile to you as you might think. They participated in many friendly discussions with you. I am new here and have read those posts. I don't think you guys who have been here months or years didn't know that. Also, some of you do not hate them as much as they thought. Some of you never hesitate to post news that shows achievements that people of other groups have made. But how come it goes this way? Surprisingly, just hours after that, you are bashing each other. It's so disappointing and sad.

To newcomers, please observe carefully before you post something regarding to your nationalism. It might make you to feel good or feel proud. Trust me, it doesn't if it is used to "fight" or to "counterattack". This place is not where you join in just to fight someone, some people or to counterattack some attacks, or even to express your hatred. If it is that place, then I am going to wrong place. Otherwise, I think, we better say positive and constructive things and be tolerant with hostile comments. Or ignore them totally. Figthing back doesn't mean you are brave. Being tolerant doesn't mean you don't love your nation. If you act otherwise and use derogatory terms and languages toward others even just trying to counterattack, you might make your people's image look very badly instead of improving it.

The same things I should say to the relationship of Vietnamese members and other groups as well.

This is what I swear by joining this AF besides the given guideline by AF: I am not seeking to insult and will not participate in insulting any individual, any people, or nation in any circumstance even when my people, my nation, and I myself get insulted. If I happen to do so, I will automatically withdraw myself from AF permanently.

I have tried not to be offensive to anyone. Hope no one gets offended. Otherwise, I honestly apologize. If I am not welcomed here, I am sorry, I will go immediately.

By the way, my name is Ðặng Quang Hưng, from Maryland, USA.

Uhhh, welcome to AF.

Nice Intro.

Welcome to AF, I like you already! Stay.

Haha! Welcome to Af Bro.

NEway, we got alot of Viets and Alot Chinese in this Site....and yes there is a few that paticipate members that is like that, how ever don't get discarded on af members. I'm a Viet myself, and i get along quiet well with the Chinese, as well as the Khmers.

Hi, welcome to AF. I agree with what you said, but sometimes, we have to take it to the extremes. Other case, it's out of anger.

Don't forgot alot of people just like to have fun...

The hostilities between different nations are hilarious. Though, some people do go overboard sometimes, I'm not even going to name names. You know who they are.

Welcome.

Well, I guess I am on of those "distorted nationalist" huh? Sometimes I do it for fun because it's out of bordom, sometimes I do because it's not what I was taught, and sometimes it's out of my pride.

Right?

Most of the times, it's for entertainment and read people's reactions and it's pretty interesting. But you won't see that kind of racial stuffs here anymore, because I think that era is now gone after April of 2004, I think. That's when the Chinese and Khmers came in the Viet section and started battling the Viets at the same time. That was fun!

Hah...I just know that I am one of the people you're talking about. I make no apologies for what I've said in the past. I will say, however, that my pride in being Vietnamese and my embrace of my culture may come across as condescending towards others, and it very may be, but that isn't my intention. As for others times when I'm just openly offensive, it's only in response to offensive remarks towards Viets by others, and again, I will not apologize nor express regret in making those comments.


One of my best friends at school is 100% Chinese and we bend over backwards to help each other whenever we can. Any offensive remarks I've said are only directed towards those hateful to Vietnamese and is not directed towards anyone else, either on this forum or in real life.

Any Viet victories in the battle between Viet and Khmer and Chinese?

LOL. What do you think? Those Chinese don't come in here anymore, nor do the Khmers. And the [Viet] members that were there, are still here, whereas, the anti-Viets are not. We always have our victories when it comes to nationalism and unity. But once the foreign threat is over, you'll see civil war in the Viet section again. LOL. So much like in real life.

I'm not just going to do nothing when my country and my pride is trampled upon by belligerent non-Vietnamese.

Life is precious, but sometimes it is neccessary to kill. Think about it

I joined this forum with the same idea. I find most of the posts funny, but then sometime I'm in a bad move and it just tick me the wrong way.

One thing I've learned from AF, Asians are more different than from each other than we think.

lolz, you see! Man all ya Flame war has scared a member away.......um er lolz. But then again it also attracts members...so what eva.

Yeah, I learned the same $hit when I first because a member in here, especially with the narrow nationalism and Asian vs. Asian hatred in here. Those kind of people should be hanged, because it only prevents peace and unity among us Asians.

Thanks for all the welcomes and nice replies,

Sorry for not knowing how to quote it correctly. But don't worry. I am not going to attack anyone.



First, as I said, I absolutely have no intention to wage a war between the fellow Vietnamese. So I hope this won't turn out to be a "civil war" here. Second, don't say this problem won't happen again. It will if we continue to say something negative, sensitive, and insulting both explicitly and implicitly with or without being provoked first. Furthermore, more new people will come. They haven't experienced all this. The possibility of this happening again and again is not small at all.



Sorry Mr. Dai Viet, I quoted you twice. This doesn't mean I have you on my list. It happens that you made some interesting points. I hope you understand.

Ah, some people just do it for fun and to entertain themselves? So they didn't mean it ? That's why I observed normally people are quite friendly. Just moment after that they start bashing. Oh but trust me, this "superiority and nationalism" game is not funny nor entertaining at all. You play it, addicted to it, and need more and it hurts. I don't know how entertaining it is when people start playing with "skin color" and "their ancestors". It may not hurt those who started it. Many others get hurt and find it so unpleasant to read. And again, please don't say that "That's when the Chinese and Khmers came in the Viet section and started battling the Viets at the same time." You know for sure, they don't agree with you. I myself, did read those posts back at that time. And it's not so obvious. Some of our fellow Vietnamese also started it, added to it, brought it to higher levels of tension, etc. To be honest, many bad features that other groups possess, are possessed by ourselves. Many other good features we have it. Others have them too, more or less. Very often, a member creating a new topic totally unaware of how sensitive his or her messages are to others. People didn't mean to hurt anyone but they do. So don't shout out loud the following things and the likes(these are partially made up based on some subjects I read here, so please don't think I misquote any of you)
- "we are smartest asians, we are smarter than ..., or even just we are smart and intelligent people." Other people won't agree with this as you know for sure as it is not fact. It also implies they are dumber. Is that true ? No
- "we are so proud of being Vietnamese because we achieved this and that, etc." while sometimes this is quite acceptable but I don't see any good point of going to public places and shout it out loud. And don't say it is not offensive at all because that implies other people can't achieve that because they are not Vietnamese. They can do whatever we can and vice versa. In fact, they have achieved things that we haven't. So if you are proud of achieving something or being something, in my opinion, we'd better keep it our heart. Instead, we act humble. This way we will learn much more respect from others. Imagine how a French think about you if you tell him to his face "we beat you badly at Dien Bien Phu." We lost and won battles as other people did. When we lost we don't want to be looked down, if we won, then don't make it such a big deal.



Mr. Nero, I didn't target you intentionally. I apologize if what I said is offensive to you. Lots of ppl say lots of things. I hardly remember who say what. It's not important to apologize. Other people did say bad also yet they didn't say they are sorry. Deep inside, they want to change. Others don't. But please, I beg you let it go. This is not the matter of life and death. I myself have many Chinese friends. They are all nice. We all know our history was bitter. But it is still history, we don't let it obsess our lives and destroy our friendship. Who won who lost, who conquered who being conquered no point to mention. Be tolerant with those who say it, and ready to back upif you say it. You guys might say I am not proud of being Vietnamese. Yes or No doesn't matter. I will keep it deep in my heart and act humble.



Mr. Clean, too much of this already. You can find it all over the places in this AF. They are lengthy in series. Many find reading them exciting. Many others find them so unpleasant to read.
We have our heroes. They have their heroes. Our heroes were acknowledged in Chinese books. Their heroes were admired by many Vietnamese historians. True that we disagree on many things. But at least, some respect has been shown. I hope this kind of topic should be stopped here.
Regarding to the Cambodians, I think we should also respect them more. Many comments of our fellows on their physical looking are quite inappropriate. History is bitter. Don't make it worse. They have reasons to hate us. We have reasons to not be hated. Being tolerant with them is the best.
At extremes, ignore totally.



Mr. NQSH, if your pride is hurt, mine is hurt too. Do something when your pride is hurt. I will do the same but not like this, not in this situation. We can save this time to talk and do constructive things about our country. This is not a battle, killing is not needed. Using pride to fight in this situation, we gain nothing. Prides from both sides are all damaged. It's like "cùng nhau vạch áo cho người xem lưng".



I agree. But also, Asians are closer than we thought even though we look down on each other. That's why non-Asians call us Asians. Look it this way. many Westerners are racist toward us. Yes. But many of them don't care at all. Many many other Westerners treat us very well even joining in the fight against discrimination toward us. Yet some of us still develop prejudice against them, play national pride over them, being proud so much about our "superior" intelligence over them. That's not right nor true. Why ? I think everybody knows the truth in their mind. The thing is their heart might tell him a different thing. Also, they are not intelligent than we are. The truth is we are generally poor. They are far more advanced. Do something here not just claiming we are more intelligent, nor fighting in insulting words. Respect them all but do something, constructive and contributive, of course. Again, this comparison is not to bring up more hateful topics. So please don't be so sensitive and don't take it too literally.

Thanks guys. when you are calmed down, you guys are smart. I have much to learn from you. As you get angry, no offense, you all lost your mind. That happens to me too. So calm down and talk. I will do the same. My article is quite lengthy and unpleasant to read itself. Sorry and have a nice day.

Say it to Byron

oh please! stop being mr nice guy. We already know you such a hypercrite. If you want to stay then stay. We're careless if you leave here as a matter of fact.

Give him Moderator powers!!!

hsinchi, you're right in every way.

I write things that might offend other people, but I personally don't attack people's skin colors nor the way they look. I only attack when being attacked. Or at least, that's what I think.

I know some people in here would post pictures up from other ethnics and criticize them for being dark or others, but I don't usually participate in that topic at all. Doesn't interest me.

Way to go Đặng Quang Hưng of Maryland.

That's cool. Dai Viet.
I hope we are all glad. Where are you from anyway? Vietnam?

Oh please dude, he's right. He's not being a hypocrite, he just posted 3 posts, how does that make him a hypocrite? Come on now... may be we're going too far when it comes to nationalism that it blinds our view about other cultures.

Nope, I am from Minnesota. My name is Tuấn.

come to my house drink thai tea smoke a litle weed and have sex with asian hooker to celebrate

You and your weed and sex...


:genius:

You haven't been here long enough to understand why we're so hypercharged sometimes. I can't blame you.

Yea, that reminds me of one member, he\she came back after a long layoff.. and was pretty cool for the first several weeks.. then started getting anti Viet , finally topped it off by saying he would eliminate the "nam man" ----

Ok then. Let's say you are right. Let me hang around a little bit and blame me later then. (jk)

Tuấn, if you have a chance to be in Washington D.C. area and if we can get along well from now until then, hope can see you.

I also join in for fun. Why don't create a funny topic like "muscle contest" where people can post pics of their muscle as long as it's not so nasty. This way if ppl like to discriminate, there's nothing to discriminate. :-)

yea all asian are equally ugly no need to fight

Wow! you're a Ðặng. i'm gonna have to ask my parents if they know ya because frankly, i don't know any other Ðặng's since everybody is like... nguyen or truong or hoang or what-have-you

what city in Maryland and how old are u also ?? lol

So ? are you a Ðặng too? No, while Ðặng is not very popular, it's not that unpopular either.

I am from Silver Spring. 35 hehe.

oh im from Maryland too , was thinking to hang out with u but haha you are too old for a teen like me ...

Yeah Hưng, how old are you?

And I'd like to visit D.C., too. It'd be awesome to visit the capital of the world.

its the capital of US haha . I visited W.DC 2 times but i hate it , all the traffic and sh!t

Actually saying 35 i was kidding. I am 31 and half chắc giá. :-) Nah, Washington D.C. is not that bad. It's not very awesome either. IT's true, there's traffic and stuff, but pple still like to come. There are museums, historical sites. Cherry blossom on the first week of April is, yeah, kinda awesome. Well, it depends to people. :-)

Don't mind to make friends with young guy if you don't mind and if you are over 18 hehe. I don't want to be like Michael Jackson hehe. (j/k)

VietPrides_WW what city in MD are you ? Laurel, Rockville, Germantown or ... even Silver Spring? If convenient, let's go eat breakfast at Eden center sometime.

I've never been to D.C., I want to see all that government buildings and their architectures, looks so classical and it reveals some sort of power whenever you look at those buildings.

I love Roman and Greek architecture style. There are only 2 cities I want to live in besides Vietnam, D.C. and New York.

Dude, that's a little errh... không lể phép there. LOL.

Anyways anh Hưng, I am 20. Chào anh. <<<shakes hands>>> Hehehe...

Blah Blah Blah.....who wants to start a race war?

Como?

you i want a "muscle showing off" war.

I hope I am not too old in here.



Why do you like NY.? I have been there twice before and after 9/11. Visiting is fine. Living there? not recommended. my own opinion.

and Yeah ...

hehe , cha('c la` no'i va^.y ko dduoc le^~ phe'p cho la('m ta.i vi` em chi? mo*'i 19 tuo^?i , co' gi` thi` xin lo^~i anh , ko pha?i che^ anh gia` , ma` ta.i vi` em co`n nho? tho^i . Em o*? Columbia va` co' 1 mo*' ba.n o Silver Spring ...

Nah, you're not old in here. I know some members that are over 40 in here. LOL.

I've never been to NYC, but from movies and stuffs, I like how life is over there. Busy streets, tall buildings, and lots of diversity.

It's ok. We can hang around sometime then. Wow Columbia gần Baltimore cũng phải 40 phút lái xe mới tới D.C. When visiting D.C., let me know.

it wont be anytime soon , hehehe i hate DC

Don't be fooled by Hollywood.



Anytime. Thôi tớ đi ngủ nghen. Good night Tuấn and .. VietPride_WW. Forgot to ask your name. Later then. Buồn ngủ quá.

Good night , te^n em la Hu`ng !!

LOL. VPWW, I didn't know your name is Hùng. LOL.

Noone is too old.


I LOVE THE IDEA!!!! .. I won't participate



Xin lỗi nếu Hy nói chuyện không có lễ phép lắm

haha , now u do , but whats so funny about my name ??

Hi Hùng, it's a nice name. It's very close to mine.

Hi Hy, a nice name too.



Yup, 31 coi vậy chứ còn son trẻ lắm.




Yeah, Hy có thể lảm giám khảo.



Being "lễ phép" is a good feature in our culture. I also have to keep that toward other members who are older than I am too. However, at the same time, don't be so distant.