http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1RUPAkMWSc

VNCH, don't burn down my video store now....

Hardcore VC, try to learn something about the man, try to understand what he truly represents.

Peace and love!

<3

Now, wouldn't that be nice.

Good documentary.

did he have any children ????

William J. Duiker
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William J. Duiker is a former United States Foreign Service officer and Professor of History at Penn State University. His area of expertise is East Asia; while in the Foreign Service he spent several years in Vietnam, where an injury left him with partial hearing in one ear.

Duiker is the author of Ho Chi Minh: A Life, the first comprehensive biography of Ho Chi Minh using sources from Vietnam. He recently retired from teaching.

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Boy, did you just open a can of worms!

Genom, I think it's a good effort to bring such a documentary to this forum. However, I found Prof. Duiker, the man was interviewed extensively for the program compiled his biography of HCM using sources from VN. I would question the objectiveness of such sources on the ground that no official documents of HCM ever shows he was flawed in any shape or form. In this day and age, many of them were exposed to be propagandas (on the same level of Le van Tam ).
In a future democratic VN when the Vietnamese historians can judge HCM w/o being censored, then we'll see.

GenomVirues,

Next time go find sources that use Nguy sources. They know more about President HCM than President HCM knows about himself.

Has this documentary been approved by our government? Because If it hasn't, it's probably full of lies.

No, actually the prez. , using a pseudoname, wrote a book worshipping himself......isn't that funny?!

Cut the crap comrade, in the future Viets historians of all strips will judge this man. Read the book about Mao by his private doctor, yet????! Sure put the fire out of worshipping the great leader!

Yeah, current Secretary General is the son of President HCM, right.

Who knows????? Didn't he say "we, including him, are all the prez.'s children" to the press?!

something will never change...cut it out you two. Well I guess it's better to fight about this over the internet...just don't kill each other in real life

I protest, comrade asian started it first!!!

The phrase "who knows" can come out of your mouth. Must be an April fool. I was advocating you to be vietnam child prodigy historian who knew everything before finishing school and in your early 20s.

Thanks, but at least I questioned what I read.......isn't that by itself worth recommended?!

Thanks for the video tô trứng nấm

It's a very good and informative documentary.

Nonconstructive comments from hard-core people here should be ignored.

Ho Chi Minh was about 5'6 or more, not 4'11. Find a picture of him being beside Mao (a 5'10 guy). I wonder if the guy who wrote his biography ever met him in person?

The first fact was already false .

you know there will never be a negative documentary on HCM because all we know of him comes from the communist party, so he could've been cleaning toilets in a french prison and we'll never hear of it

you forgot about Nguy sources.

Ho Chi Minh VAN TUE! VAN TUE! VAN VAN TUE!

"Nguy" sources includes everything and anything that doesn't follow the official guidelines of the VCP, the "Nguy-est" regime of them all!!!!

IMO,
the current economic and social inequality in Vietnam right now have washed away the true meaning of Ho Chi Minh, his followers, his and their quest for a free Vietnam.
if Vietnam is a rich nation now, HCM will be worship like George Washington.

i dont like him
i dont hate him
im not with him
im not against him

but I HAVE TO GIVE HIM A HONOURABLE SALUTE

Don't forget to kowtow. But emperor is not enough. Let's go with "Nam Mo Ho Chi Minh".

If..... if.......and if..........

The VN war is over almost 34 years comes the end of this April. What has become of Vietnam, and its once proud people????!

"The end justifies the mean", the VCs like this line very much and use it to justify all the wrong doing they committed. For HMC, "the end" was the unified communist world, as in his words :" dan 5 Chau den Dai Dong"; "the mean" was the hijacking of Vietnameses' nationalism and turning it into a war of brothers killing brothers to the end.

In the fight against the French, there were many political parties of which the VCP was one. Sadly, VCP history only claimed the credits for themselves and branded everyone else who dares raise the point as "phan dong".

Got to go.......will continue...

as if you 3 que did a wonderful job
your forces back then were just as corrupted and selfish as the VC's of today.

Whatever faults the VNCH had, and they had many, they never once signed any treaty making any concession of Vietnam territory to foreigners. Can the VPC, lead by HCM, claimed the same? Their society had many corruptions, but their press was free to criticize the goverment, their people could form protests, their public schools almost entirely free of charges, their university system produced graduates that could compete w/ other countries in the region or even better, their litteratures were much more human, and their music was still heard by millions who were born after the war.......What freedom can the current police regime offer to its people????!

You'd better quit!!

But South Viet Nam was not under the yoke of 'the French', the crux of the communists', was it? Fact is...It was the Soviet Union that proposed South Viet Nam be admitted to the UN with full membership and ALL the political implications and baggages such membership usually carries. Why not such an admittance? Both sides have their own economic system, political structures, militaries and ideological sponsors, the USSR and the US. It was only the whinings from North Viet Nam that the Kremlin finally withdrew its nomination. Since when is corruption a credible justification for war? The commies of today, too young to remember much or any at all about the war and living in the West, defends the current corrupt government Viet Nam as merely a necessary painful evolutionary step towards full democracy. So why not apply this argument to the Viet Nam War? Because that would make the VCs responsible for an unnecessary war that set Viet Nam back a full generation. With the two Koreas, at least half of the Koreans made something out of their half of the country within the same timespan. But Viet Nam?

Have you seen anything more grostesque than having HCM sharing the room w/ Buddha and Vua Hung Vuong????? Only a rotten commie could think of such a thing to safeguard his business investment in Binh Duong!!!

I remember we were forced to hang a picture of HCM above the altar inside our home. Like we had to worship him like a Saint. I didn't understand much back then, but one thing I knew, we were scared of the Cong An.

"force"??? give me a break! attempting a case of "appeal to emotion with lies"? lolz doesn't work anymore kid!!!

btw, go and read sophie quinn-judge (currently a prof at temple university) for an even more thoroughly researched account of Ho Chi Minh. she actually dug hard into soviet files as well as the french and chinese

so sad topics like this always get ruined by the hard core people

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I thought "appeal to emotion with lies" is the bloody commies' specialty.

"force" is a good, but not completed, way to describe the commies......."bao luc Cach Mang" is better.

you 3 que were the one that broke the Geneva Agreements
so wtf are you on about monkey?
wheter you or your 3 que friends like it or not, Vietnam is Vietnam, theres no such thing as North, Central or South, or any Cap/COm bull$hit

I approve of criticizing the curing regime...

I criticize Catholic and Christians all the time for using Jesus to enrich themselves. Rich people should not have any special rights nor should be above the laws. All people should have equal protection under the laws, I support the common man. Let's face it, only a small portion of the population will ever be rich and the common people will forever be wages slaves, statically speaking. I truly love democratic values...i do...I get really mad when O.J Simpson gotten away with murder simply because he has money. =[

Anyways, this documentary kicks @$$!...stop hating

That's ok, karma's a b1tch, OJ's back in jail where he belongs.

Argument from one who knows he is an intellectual corner. Face it, commie, your kind is responsible for a needless war, even your sponsor, the USSR, knew it, when it proposed South Viet Nam be admitted to the UN with full membership. In doing so, the USSR considered the previous Geneva Agreements worthless.

tryta avoid my point arent you
hahaha

hcm is a dog, no more, no less...

cool guy

I don't know what rocks your crawled under back then. Everyone in SaiGon back then knew it damn well if you didn't follow their instructions they'd put you in jail. You could never give them a reason good enough for not hanging the picture of HCM. My mom had to go to meetings (hop to dan pho) every week or so.

you mean, he WAS?
the guy is dead
leave him alone
go pick on the livings

hahha

So what HCM has passed on to communis hell (oppp, paradise) to report his acheivements to Marx and Lenin????? The political structure that he imported in VN is still in full operating mode, although it is getting harder and harder for the regime to justify themselves.

HCM said:" Nothing is more precious than independence, freedom, and happyness". Where is our independence? Since HCM signed the treaty w/ China in March 1950, he had effectively put half of VN into the communist orbit. Since then until 1975, that half of Vietnam never once experienced anything remotely close to his hyped remarks. ( You can look to any contemporary communist society of any country to imagine what happened to the N. Vietnamese at the time. They all followed the road of repressions, fear, and finally cowered to submission.)

What happened between 1975 and 1986, same thing w/ a unified VN now indebted to China and Soviet, losing its territory left and right to the same comrade brother who gave the VCP the means to prolong such horrendous war upon its Southern brothers. Freedom and happyness were replaced by terror and sorrow for the losing half of Vietnam as an entire population was punished, leading to the tragedy of the Boat People.

From 1986 to now, economics freedom is allowed, but the political structure making sure that the class benefit mostly from such policies changes are the communist cadres and their families. People don't call them "Red Capitalists" for nothing. Happyness is very supperficial, if one must put up w/ corruptions w/o any meaningful redress. From the moment one is born in the hospital, greasing the nurses and doctors, to the day one dies, paying the local polices/ government officials fee for proper burial..........and everything in between.......thus, the culture of "phong bi" becomes the way of living . Don't blame that on the "phan dong" trying to corrupt the system!!! Once again HCM was propped up as a shield to the corrupted VCP. Ask yourself this question :" Do we, Viets, have any independence (integrity of territory and sovereignty), freedom (in our thinking and expressing of our thoughts), and happyness ( in the most basic ways such as having enough foods to eat, seeing children going schools instead of dropping out to help their parents making end meets, colleges graduates can find decents jobs w/o having to pay for their slots, hospitals provide healthcare w/o nurses and doctors waiting for "phong bi" from patients..................................just too many to list, sigh!!!)

Viet historians still judge harshly King Le Chieu Thong for asking the Chinese help in the fight w/ Nguyen Tay Son. In the same extent, to King Gia Long for bringing in the French, eventhough w/o him, Vietnam territory would not emcompass the Southern land, including Saigon as it is now. So, in the future when the political climate is right, Viet historians will have objective jugdment of HCM, too.

What point was that? None that I can see. Is there one Viet Nam? Should there be one Viet Nam? Of course there should be only one. But the point that YOU evaded is that the Viet Nam War was not about 'the French', as many would like to lie to the world, but about Ho Chi Minh being blinded by communism and seek to turn the whole of Viet Nam into a vassal state for the Chinese and the Soviets. The point here is that there were two POLITICALLY distinct Vietnams: North and South. Rhetorics will get you nowhere, kid. There are two POLITICALLY distinct Koreas but only one Korea. Is that too much beyond your intellect? But then given the sorry records of communism, we can see that communists were/are never very smart in the first place.

and i assumed that you 3 que fought for the benefit of the people? not you CON CAC?
the more you bark, the more retarded you sound.

Servere symptom of self-denial..................Time (spent in rereading Vietnamese history) is best cure for it........

Signed: Vietnam, M.D. hahahahahahahaha

whose history?
Nguy's history?
3 que's history?
WOW those are real history
hahahaha

Have you read the announcement of Ban Tuyen Huan cua Dang Cong San Viet Nam?????

no honey
but please, enlighten me with your 3 que knowledges!

Enjoy!!!
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Thong bao tu Ban Tuyen Huan cua Dang Cong San Viet Nam:

Theo nghi dinh so 00T ( tuc la khong khong thay), cac dong chi cong an mang tren cac dien dan khong duoc goi cac Viet Kieu yeu nuoc bang nhung chu nhu "phan dong", "3 que" hay bat cu mot ten vo hoc nao khac. Dang ta bay gio da vung manh nen can mot bo mat dep hon. Dang ta di tien phong trong phong trao an cap cua toan dan. Dang ta cung di tien phong trong viec moi TU BAN ngoai quoc vao de cung boc lot cong nhan Vietnam. Quan trong nhat, Dang ta khong the chap nhan nhung chi trich tu bat cu ai vao su nghiep lanh dao cung nhu su nghiep an cap cua cac dang vien.

Tu day tro di, cac dong chi cong an mang nen nho rang Dang ta di tien phong trong phong trao ban nuoc cau an. Do do, dung choc vao bon hai ngoai, chung no biet nhieu hon cac dong chi trong van de thong tin.

"Ki" ngay 16 thang 4 nam Con Chuot (Cong)

So, no comment from you, qwe???? Did you read the announcement???? I found it very amusing...........

you gotta love the 3 que and their BS.
in your dream that the VC will do that.
give me your sources....not from the 3 que please.