Since Viet is a Mon-Khmer language, would the Kinh have looked like Khmer before the Chinese conquest?

yeah they had a nose and eyes and ears so i'm pretty sure they looked like khmer

I doubt we looked Khmer. I think it's more likely that we were light skinned, and part of the mongoloid race, but were around the area so long ago that no one really knows why we're there.

I say that because if you go to Vietnam northern Vietnamese, the original Viets, are light skinned, and as you go south people get darker. And that's mainly due to two factors, Cham and Khmer intermingling as well as a hotter sun. This indicates that Viets got the dark genes as time went by, and as we historically went south, not got paler as time went by.

Plus, if you look at the Muong ethnic minority, the Viet's CLOSEST blood relatives, no one is any closer, they are light skinned and look pretty much light skinned Viet. They are northern and history has it that they are Kinh who separated from the pack and moved to the mountains about a thousand years ago. So they didn't mix with the Chinese much either, but they are light, and it's not like they mix with the Khmer either.


http://www.nhandan.org.vn/english/identity/20030621.html

They're not dark like how Chinese stereotype us, but they are light skinned. The Muong are probably more pure Viet than most Kinhs are.

PurE Kinh Vietnamese:

Menikani that girl looks different.........
Muong's clothing looks very Malay.

hahaha @ the pic

Hmmm.. IDK, but she looks pretty pure Viet to me. That's how the majority of Northern Viets look.

i still find her more attractive than cambodians

Well, ancient Viets probably traded and interacted with the Malay more than they did with the Chinese due to the proximity. We only picked up the Chinese stuff after they came in and forced it down our throats. That's why the Muong who went to the mountains and hence avoided the Chinese are different to the Kinh who had lots of cultural influence. The Muong have more cultural similarities with the Thai tribes and such probably, even though intermarriage is not too common, though it probably does happen sometimes, the Muong trade goods more with the minority tribes around them and hence pick up influence i guess. BUT, genetically we are the same group (the Kinh and Muong).



Uhh, no... She'd be considered a minority in northern Vietnam. She has the skin but not the delicate features.

I can say this as a Viet and as someone who see Viets in Vietnam through travel (long time ago though).

yea Muong and Kinh tribes' culture before sinocized are a lot alike with Thai.. .I think

wtf her eyes show that she is Chinese x-(
I never see any Viet have that kind of eyes in Vietnam. Her eyes are just a little bit small and a little bit long to be Viet.

Stop stereotyping chinese men..

Ok, people please do not "tell" her what's her (the girl in the picture) ethnicity!!!
The only one who knows her ethnicity is HERSELF.

Well are the ones in Vietnam today mostly the same ones before Chinese conquest?

How many Vietnamese intermarried or mated with Chinese during the Chinese conquest? Just because your country is taken over by another doesn't mean your looks automatically change.

I'm sure there were intermingling, but the question is how much?

viet eye is double leds that look more like korean eye

Her eyes would be more Korean, not Chinese. All of her individual features would make her out to be some ethnicity more northern-looking than Chinese, except her fleshy nose, but when you put it all together, I'm pretty sure she's Chinese. Anyways, this is lame, not to mention talking about someone without their permission. Stop.

http://vietsingle.com/index.php?l=1&k=1&h=&d=2&a=18

Go here and just randomely pick a few pictures to look at of these Vietnamese users on this Vietnamese website.

Here are some random links of pictures I'm choosing without looking at their pictures.

http://vietsingle.com/pro.php?ID=87741&l=1

http://vietsingle.com/pro.php?ID=227773&l=1

http://vietsingle.com/pro.php?ID=176186&l=1

http://vietsingle.com/pro.php?ID=89217&l=1

http://vietsingle.com/pro.php?ID=199140&l=1

*Note I just copied and pasted the first 5 hits of these pictures without looking at them first, so I'm not being bias in the way I'm chose the pictures since I haven't seen them during the time I copied and pasted them.

Not sure how does a pure Khmer look like?? or pure Kinh ?

According to these two guys khmers and Kinhs look like this

Menikani






Byron

i, for one, would like to know exactly what the ancient viets look like because i'm shallow and i only judge people by the way they look rather than the content of their character. plus i am also curious so i hope someone has 5,000 year old photos. i really do.

What's all this stupid craps about? Ancient Viets look like modern Viets. End of story.

People should stop making fun of other people's pictures.

Modern Viets look like ancient Viets, and that is it! It's been for 4 thousand years, it's not like 4 million years that Vietnamese people have evolved since.

Kinh is Kinh. there is no difference whether it's pre-chinese or post chinese.

Wow, many of these Muongs are very light... my mother says they are savages though, barbaric Indians...

the muong in most part are even lighter than the southern chinese, people consider them to be barbarians because they live in the mountains

^^my mommy told me they ate chickens and cows. very barbaric...

You sure it's the Muong your talking about or the Hmong?

Muong are Viet, Hmong are different. Muong ONLY live in the north of Vietnam in the mountains, you being 75% Chinese, your most of your ancestors never even HEARD of the Muong. The Hmong are a MUCH more famous group.



LOL, you mean steak and chicken wings?

Iam pretty sure , she said mhueng , she said their language is a little simlair to ours.. Kinh.. My momma lived with them for twenty something years... running around with spears and arrows ...


Yes a Hindu would probably consider u a savage...


Do they still perform sacrifices? ...

I don't think Chinese are capable of changing the Viet look that much or even at all.

I guess, they are primitive compared to us Kinh though. You have to remember that they live in the mountains, plus they split from us over a thousand years ago and stayed in the mountains for over a thousand years. Throughout history only a few times have they come down from the mountains in massive numbers, and most of those times were because the Kinh were having a war and they came down to support us. They still see themselves as very much our brothers, and for that i do the same for them.

Compared to other minorities though they're probably a bit more advanced.

Yea, thats kool... you read that blue book "The Birth of Vietnam"? I remember reading something like that.. we formed alliances against foreign attacks ...



Wow those minoritys are preety backwards ----

Whoa whoa whoa? They used to be our people and the split away? Well they still live in Vietnam right? So they aren't really separated from us. So why didn't we invite them to live and integrate with us then? I mean if they are the same genetically as us and we used to be one and we live in the same country then why separate?

Because they live in the high land, and Kinh live in lowland.
That's where the word "Kinh" comes form.

Wait it says they were part of us until they split in the 10th century. Didn't we free ourselves from Chinese rule in the 9th century? So shouldn't they have been sinosized like us?

They splitted with us many times. First being the first time the Chinese came. Then they came down and help us fought the Chinese, and after we won they went back to the highland again.

much like the mons and the khmers who are blood relatives. the same with the tibetans and burmans, the shans,tais and laotians.

Brave people, but we should at least upgrade their hunting weapons and replace those crossbows with rifles.

Huh? Viet is Mon-Khmer language? I thought we Kinh (Viet) belong to Viet-Muong language group?

There are brief descriptions of the customs, habits, cultures, and costumes of 54 ethnic groups in Vietnam at the link below

http://www.datviet.com/vietnam/overview/muong.htm
It said the Muong belong to Viet-Muong language group

No Vietnam is a Mon-Khmer language. There is lots of evidence to support this which you can read in "The Birth of Vietnam" which I have.

beofre the 90's vietnamese was group in the sino tibetan language, then a few scholars decided that vietnamese have some of the basic words which are closely related to the mon-khmer language family, to this day the vietnamese language is still a mystery..no one really know exactly where it comes from

Ah comon, don't swallow their crap.. Vietnam and Cambodia didn't even share a common border until 1750's... our language is completely different like day and night.....

I don't think Khmer and Mon-Khmer are the same. Vietnamese is part of the Mon Khmer group since we were influenced by other Southern Chinese tribes and we share the same words with other Southern Chinese minorities.

Southern Chinese tribes's language families are Tai-dai languages

Yeah ok. But anyway, I want to change my Southern accent to a Northern one. Has anyone ever been able to switch accents?

Well, that's why it makes me think that even though the Chinese forced many things on us, the GENERAL POPULACE were left unscathed. For example, even though the official language was Chinese, it was mainly just the ruling class who had to communicate with the Chinese rulers who learned Chinese etc...

The Muong who split from us were probably mainly from the peasant class rather than the upper class who had to communicate with the Chinese, and so they had minimal Chinese influence on them. That's what i think atleast. Because you read the Birth of Vietnam right? I read most of it, and it seems like the Chinese as a whole didn't migrate into Vietnam much, heck, even some of the Chinese appointed officials were stopped at the border and forced to go back by the Viets. The Chinese didn't want to fight so they just name the person who had the power to force the Chinese official back as the head, and case closed. Throughout the 1000 years of rule it was mainly by name, they barely did jack $hit for us. It's not like they came in and made us advanced, they only exploited us just like the French did, but considering the time era, the Chinese were worse to us (less restrictions from internatinoal expectation).



Actually Viet is part of the Mon Khmer language group. But fact is, the Viet language is still so different from the other langauges in the group that the linguists created the Viet-Muong branch within the Mon Khmer group for us Viets. This is because like someone said, we used to be part of the Sino-Tibetan group, then changed to Mon Khmer. No one really knows where our language comes from, it's all just educated guesses.

i can speak both vietnamese and cantonese fluently, and i can tell you vietnamese and cantonese share so much similarity in term of vocabularies but the grammars structures are a tiny bit different

We Northern can do Southern easily, I don't know about Southerners though...

oh ok, thanks for clarifying

anyway, it's just an unclear concept. Should I trust those scholars hehe (j/k)

is that you in the avatar july rain? if it is then i think you are HOT

Cantonese and Vietnamese is not related... Cantonese is a Dialect of the Han... many words and expressions are simlair , but he language is different...

that is why i said the vocabularies are similar, espeically those old han-viet words

There's this ONLY word that only occurs in Vietnamese and Cantonese but not in
Mandarin

trai=jai=male