What do Koreans think about the Turkic people? We are (as I like to describe it) Cousins. We both along with the Mongols speak an Altaic language and our vocabulary is very common. I have noticed a lot of Koreans tend to take Turkish as a secong language in Universities. The World Cup match between South Korea and Turkey in particular left viewers amazed at the amount of friendship and happiness both teams held for each other while holding each others flag and running across the field together.

What do Koreans think about the establishment of an Altaic union similar to the European union based on cultural and national awareness. Friendship between all Altaic nations as well as people of Altaic nationality to be able to travel to other Altaic countries without the requirement of Visa's. This all, of course would take a long time to establish.

I am a Tatar, and ever since the disintegration of the Soviet Union 5 Turkic republics gained independance (Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakistan) there have been quite a lot of movement for a union like Turan/Altaic to be set up. This idea is particularely strongest amongst Azeris and Tatars.

dude they're asians i think you're talking about the wrong people

Turkish are Asians as well. I think he means the relationship that has been established between South Korea and Turkey since they helped them during North and South-Korean War.

This is very interesting,
I didn't know these things about our language.

Politically, I know that Turkish would
like to entry in Europe Union!

Even if they are more near to middle est !!???!!

korean culture is v interesting... it's a melting pot of many different cultures:
mongol descent, atlatic grammar and sentence structure, han chinese vocab (more than 50% of korean words have their roots in e chinese language), japanese and american influence (even tho koreans dun really like either of these to varying extents)...

so i personally dun think that koreans particularly identify themselves as the atlatic pp group...

another Pan-Altaicist? The term Altaic refers to a linguistic family, not cultural, not racial , not geographical. Koreans are rather Sinisized and they do not share similar traits with the Turkish at all. This idea of union is totally absurd.

hmmm..I never heard of Turkic people

I agree. And even the linguistic links between Korean and Japanese and the Turkic and Altaic family is not really agreed upon. However, Korea and the Turkic nations can still be friends for other reasons.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_people

Do you mean Turkish?

Language set up and all is close to hebrew. I never heard this relation. Turks aren't asian though they are arabs. Some of the northren european groups like magyars and such do have mongol blood from when the hordes swept europe. Could just be left over of effects of mongol occupation.

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What is this Malay Union all about? I'd support it if it's a cultural awareness organization. But from posts, you seem to be promoting separatism in the countries you've stated above and pushing toward your pan-Malay empire.

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Turkey and Korea don't have much in common. They are good friends indeed, but their social living conditions are too different, just look at the religions.




Wrong! The Turkish aren't Arabs, they're Asians :genius:

Perhaps Turkish and Korean shared an Altaic long in eons long past. However, today, the two are completely different countries. Except for a few academicians who may share comraderie because of their shared study on the Altaic languages. I doubt most Koreans and Turks would view each other as comrades. Perhaps they could be friends, but obviously, the cultural differences are too large.

Turkey has become part of the Islamic/European worlds. Korea is very much a part of East Asia.

I find that whole region of europe the most interesting even though in this century it is forgotten in obscurity. Romania, Moldavia, Transylania etc. It is believed the attila and the huns settled in that area and that there is quite a bit of mongol heritage. It is the most haunting, beautiful and fecund places in europe and I think a much more richer, deeper and intriguing history. Even though Germany, Great Britain, America, Canada, France etc the more 'norse' countries are centerstage this century, they got nothing on these hidden gems of europe and their past glory. Also, it shows how much migration and the infusion of different races shapes cultures and history. Attila is believed to be from the korean peninsula. Even the germans have an asian angle(unfortunately) and the russians. There is also a hint of this interwoven in the languages even though it is romanized. Nations are a blend of many things and the happenstance of history. It would be an honor to visit that area and see the carpathian mountains myself.

turkish is asian???
i don't think so cause they are more similar with arabs and caucasian than mongoloid race(asian)look at their appearence and their skin.

Keep in mind, to Europeans, who named the continents, "Asia" is the equivlent of "Others". Asia is the largest continent and the only one that contains people of different races. In Asia, we have East Asians, Southeast Asians, South Asians, and Central Asians. I guess Turkey would fall in the category of Central Asian.

True. Quite a few of them could easily pass for heartland European.

Still, because of past invasions, they are considered to be "Asiatic", a rather flimsy archaic category which includes practically every person living in the continent of Asia, of native nationality. More on that later.

Anyways, I think there is some truth that koreans and turks to the connectoin between them. The first yang family in korea originated from chinese turks (not sure if they are the same). And the Koran mentioned korea in their scriptures if I am correct (correct me if I'm wrong).

Yeah, and Genghis Khan was Japanese.

Genghis Khan was half-Turkic

Assuming you don't consider the Mongols to be Turkic, based on what evidence?

Origin of huns

A tribe known as the Xiongnu existed in western China at the time of the Han Dynasty (the last two centuries BC). They divided into two groups, the smaller of which migrated southwards. The majority, however, went north-west in search of new homes. They found their way into the valley of the Volga and, in the second half of the Fourth Century, attacked the Alans (a people related to the Sarmatians, who lived between the Volga and the Don).

After routing the Alans, they then went on to conquer the Ostrogoths and drive the Visigoths westwards. Early in the Fifth Century, they seem to have been reinforced by fresh hordes, and had become so powerful that, by the time of the Emperor Theodosius the Great, the Romans felt obliged to pay them a substantial tribute. Still, the Hunnic Empire could not pose a serious threat to the Empire; its economy was too primitive, its internal divisions too great, and Hunnic skills in strategy and siege-craft too lacking to defeat a sophisticated, organised opponent.

The Mongol are definitely not Turkic. Many scholars have believed that Genghis Khan was probably half-Turkic because his mother came from a Turkic tribe (which i can't remember the name). Furthermore, contemporary sources claim that Genghis Khan had green eyes and red hair so i think it might be true that he was half Turkic.

I'd have to see more evidence. Portraits of Genghis Khan depict him as looking strongly Mongol, with the characteristic wide round face and wide cheekbones, short nose and mono-fold almond-shaped eyes. If he had any Caucasoid blood, it would have had to be insignificant. We already discussed this to death at CNA last week.

I can hardly care less if Genghis Khan was African. I'm just telling you what i've heard about him only.

If you aren't sure, or even care, about what kind of information you are claiming to be true, you are not responsible enough to be spreading your unproven information at all. At least apologize and admit that you are wrong when proven so.

When a newspaper prints an article, they have fact-checkers checking the facts making sure they are correct. If something that was printed happened to be false and was discovered, the newspaper would print a retract and apologize.

Are you a irresponsible person?

It's people like you that keep false myths alive.

I'm not wrong nor do i need to apologize anything. Contemporary sources claim that he was half-Turkic. I posted something that i know about him from reading. I do not owe any of you any apology.




Let me enlight you once and for all. When a newspaper prints something, it does not have any responsibilies to prove what it writes is correct. All it needs to do is to claim that it got the information from "someone" and that is good enough for their defense. If you want to confirm this, get yourself educated and take a course in BUSINESS LAW. Why do you think the National Enquirer doesn't get sued by many Hollywood stars? Think about it

You can blabber all you want. The point is, you are spreading false information and when proven wrong, your excuse is that "you don't care." That seems rather irresponsible.

Prove to me that i'm wrong nor i'm right. I don't spread any false information. I'm telling you what i know about him. Unlike you, you probably never heard that he was probably half Turkic either.

Unless you have strong reliable evidence to prove that Genghis Khan is half Turkic and has "green eyes" and "red hair" as you claimed, then you are just spreading false information.

Are you pretending to be an idiot? Like i said, Genghis Khan was half Turkic based on history sources. Damo used a portrait of Genghis Khan to prove me wrong. How about someone pull out a portrait of Genghis Khan with green eyes and red hair to prove that he is wrong and prove that Damo information was false.

I want to remind you that most of the English sources written about the Mongols were translated from Chinese sources, not Turkish sources. The Turk had more contact with the Mongols then the Chinese had and i highly doubt that the Turk knew less about the Mongols then the Chinese.

"history sources"... ha!

A while ago, you "reminded" me that the Asian warriors of my signature was Mongolian, but not Turkic. I'm still amazed by your wide knowledge of the Mongol.

No, I said those warriors are Mongolian and not Vietnamese. I never once mentioned anyone being or not being Turkic. Please at least attempt to control your urge to manipulate others' words...

*yawn*
son, Genghis Khan's mother, Keuhlun, was from Hongjilah tribe, which was located in Huluenbeir, northern Inner Mongolia, where many Evenks live. ( Evenks : A Chinese ethnicity, Tungus-Manchu related). If anything, she'll be more a Mongol-Manchu than a Turk. It's funny to read your ignorant claim, your continuous denial is even ridiculous.

Yes, i remembered that you said those warriors were not Vietnamese. I'm only shocked by your ability to tell that those warriors was Mongolian but not Turkic warriors.



Like i said, i don't care what nationality he was. I used to think that he was a pure Mongolian but recently i've encounted sources that wrote about him having green eyes and red hair and he was probably a half Turk himself. I bet all of you ignorant probably have never heard of him as half-Turkic either right?

Are you arguing that those are Turkic warriors? Hahahaha...

Your ignorant about the Mongol army is quite shocking. Do you even know that most of the soldiers of the Mongol armies were Turkic warriors? That's why i was shocked by your ability to distinguish a Mongol from a Turkic in that picture.

proof? give me the numbers

Have you ever read anything about Mongol warfare? It seems to me like you don't know anything about the Mongol army at all.

I want the names of all Mongol generals, commanders, soldiers. The bloodlines. Genghis Khan and his subordinates' family trees.

Hahaha...

jiayou

Go ask a Mongolian if you don't believe that most of their armies were made up of Turkic warriors, if you're interested in history instead of avenging me for giving you such a hard time to your claim that the chinese control the economies of south east asia. I bet you the Mongols don't have anything to hide about.

no... just, no. you're the only korean i've ever known who claims this.

Go ask an Indonesian how Chinese control their economy and why they riot. You can call me ignorant all you want, I will continue to ask you for the proofs of your unsupported claims.

The Indonesian mass don't know any truth to what the media keeps telling them either.

Back to the Mongol. Have you ever used your brain to think why the Mongols still had many men while they engaged in so many campaigns?

back to topic. First you claimed Geghis Khan's mother was a Turk, which is untrue. and you haven't acknowledged it. His dad is from Chiyen Tribe, located at Wonan River, Eastern Mongolia, not likely to be a Turk either. Now you're trying to distract people by bringing in the "warriors".

Genghis was problably half Turkic based on history sources written about him. I don't know if he was half Turkic or not either. I'm merely telling you what i've heard about him.

The Mongol armies were made up of Turkic warriors can be confirmed by the Mongolian historians. The Mongols have no motive of trying to discredit themselves by claiming that their thundering calvary archers were indeed non-Mongols.

btw, it's the "Onon" river.

The fact that the Mongols fought with and recruited Turkics and Tartars, and that their imperial acquisitions included Turkic-populated territories, does not make the Mongols who came from Mongolia and Northeast Asia Turkic by any means.


Yes, I've heard claims that he was Turkic. But I've also recently heard claims that Attila was Korean. As 直隸總督 pointed out, Ghenghis Khan's mother and father came from Inner Mongolia and Eastern Outer Mongolia. And as I showed you, he had a strongly Mongolian facial structure.

These claims that Mongolia and Northeast Asia, were once crawling blonde/redheaded people are in fact very popular with the neo-Nordicist crowd. Would one of these "recently encountered sources" happen to be named "Karl Earlson", by any chance?


He's the only person of ANY nationality I've ever known to claim this