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forumjunky
Most of the ones I see with the last name Ly are half Vietnamese and half Chinese. I actually like my last name a lot but its sure to raise a few eyebrows because this last name is not so common as the other one, Le. Le is pure Vietnamese but is Ly also considered the same?
landsknechts
Most of the Ly had to change their last name to Nguyen ......
forumjunky
QUOTE(landsknechts @ Feb 13 2008, 08:09 PM) [snapback]3497010[/snapback]
Most of the Ly had to change their last name to Nguyen ......



Reall? For what reason? Ly is also Vietnamese. Is it just too much of a grey area?
shinnasuka
QUOTE(forumjunky @ Feb 13 2008, 11:02 PM) [snapback]3496995[/snapback]
Most of the ones I see with the last name Ly are half Vietnamese and half Chinese. I actually like my last name a lot but its sure to raise a few eyebrows because this last name is not so common as the other one, Le. Le is pure Vietnamese but is Ly also considered the same?

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do you know
about 40% percent of vietnamese in North have chinese blood
I think I have chinese blood too
Even the last name Nguyen,there are a lot of people with the same last name came for China 1000 years ago
But Vietnamese's soul define the definiton of Vietnamese,not the blood,not the NDA.

Lư,Nguyễn,Lê,Trịnh, đều là pure Vietnamese hết!
vietman
QUOTE(forumjunky @ Feb 14 2008, 12:02 AM) [snapback]3496995[/snapback]
Most of the ones I see with the last name Ly are half Vietnamese and half Chinese. I actually like my last name a lot but its sure to raise a few eyebrows because this last name is not so common as the other one, Le. Le is pure Vietnamese but is Ly also considered the same?

I know a few Le who are Chinese. Some Chinese don't consider Le to be real chinese last name, but a tribal one from South China. What about Ly Thuong Kiet, Ly Thai To, Ly Cong Uan, are they pure Vietnamese?
lamplight
QUOTE(forumjunky @ Feb 13 2008, 11:12 PM) [snapback]3497014[/snapback]
Reall? For what reason? Ly is also Vietnamese. Is it just too much of a grey area?



Nguyen was not popular until 13th century when all Ly were forced to change their family name into Nguyen. This is because the name of the Emperor at that time is Tran Ly. So for a period of 300 years there is no Ly in Vietnam.
XigonCongchua
QUOTE(forumjunky @ Feb 13 2008, 09:02 PM) [snapback]3496995[/snapback]
Most of the ones I see with the last name Ly are half Vietnamese and half Chinese. I actually like my last name a lot but its sure to raise a few eyebrows because this last name is not so common as the other one, Le. Le is pure Vietnamese but is Ly also considered the same?

yes period
tyentr99
QUOTE(lamplight @ Feb 14 2008, 04:28 PM) [snapback]3498792[/snapback]
Nguyen was not popular until 13th century when all Ly were forced to change their family name into Nguyen. This is because the name of the Emperor at that time is Tran Ly. So for a period of 300 years there is no Ly in Vietnam.


This is only partly correct. I've never heard of a Vietnamese emperor named Tran Ly, I think you might have gotten the wrong information some where. Basically what happened was that in the 13th century the Tran family usurped the throne from the Ly family. Tran Thu Do, the head of the Tran clan, who even though was never the emperor was basically the one running stuff from behind the scenes decided to get rid of the Ly family so they couldn't have any chance to revolt back. Other than killing off many of the Ly royal family he also decreed that everyone with the family name of Ly must change their family name to Nguyen, so technically there really shouldn't be any pure Viet Ly's today. Also, Le and Ly are two totally different last names and they are pronounce differently in Vietnamese.
canister
Do you wish to be Chinese or something?
XigonCongchua
QUOTE(tyentr99 @ Feb 14 2008, 09:33 PM) [snapback]3499375[/snapback]
This is only partly correct. I've never heard of a Vietnamese emperor named Tran Ly, I think you might have gotten the wrong information some where. Basically what happened was that in the 13th century the Tran family usurped the throne from the Ly family. Tran Thu Do, the head of the Tran clan, who even though was never the emperor was basically the one running stuff from behind the scenes decided to get rid of the Ly family so they couldn't have any chance to revolt back. Other than killing off many of the Ly royal family he also decreed that everyone with the family name of Ly must change their family name to Nguyen, so technically there really shouldn't be any pure Viet Ly's today. Also, Le and Ly are two totally different last names and they are pronounce differently in Vietnamese.

I think he was thinking of Trần Lư who was the father of Trần Cảnh who was the first king of the Trần dynasty

QUOTE(canister @ Feb 14 2008, 10:32 PM) [snapback]3499477[/snapback]
Do you wish to be Chinese or something?

he's ethnically Chinese embarassedlaugh.gif
gosutron
^ Lol what? He doesnt look chinese to me :P.

Anyway, I've never met a Ly so I wouldnt know. kekekkeke
canister
QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Feb 15 2008, 01:41 AM) [snapback]3499497[/snapback]
he's ethnically Chinese embarassedlaugh.gif


Are you sure about that?
XigonCongchua
^ he said it in another topic
his family has Triều Châu (Teochew) origin but he was born in Vietnam
hugo boss
QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Feb 15 2008, 02:27 PM) [snapback]3500976[/snapback]
^ he said it in another topic
his family has Triều Châu (Teochew) origin but he was born in Vietnam


his parents were born in Vietnam, he said he was born in the USA
XigonCongchua
^ uh huh that's why he's Vietnamese Chinese embarassedlaugh.gif
jose cuervo


Here you go. Henry Ly of Virginia Tech. One of the victims. A Hoa from VN.

Anyone with the last name Ly today is more than likely a Hoa.

hugo boss
QUOTE(jose cuervo @ Feb 15 2008, 03:00 PM) [snapback]3501055[/snapback]


Here you go. Henry Ly of Virginia Tech. One of the victims. A Hoa from VN.

Anyone with the last name Ly today is more than likely a Hoa.


XigonConchua and Henry Ly would make a nice couple embarassedlaugh.gif
XigonCongchua
my friend's mom in Vietnam was a Lư and she's pure Viet
McFly
QUOTE(shinnasuka @ Feb 13 2008, 09:30 PM) [snapback]3497126[/snapback]
laugh.gif
do you know
about 40% percent of vietnamese in North have chinese blood
I think I have chinese blood too
Even the last name Nguyen,there are a lot of people with the same last name came for China 1000 years ago
But Vietnamese's soul define the definiton of Vietnamese,not the blood,not the NDA.

Lư,Nguyễn,Lê,Trịnh, đều là pure Vietnamese hết!



I think more from the South have Chinese blood (Cho Lon). Me and a lot of my relatives are Chinese blood. Also a lot of Chinese migrated to the South for business back in the days.
XigonCongchua
QUOTE(McFly @ Feb 15 2008, 04:55 PM) [snapback]3501174[/snapback]
I think more from the South have Chinese blood (Cho Lon). Me and a lot of my relatives are Chinese blood. Also a lot of Chinese migrated to the South for business back in the days.

what's your last name?
xeemlauj
are Huynh and Nguyen the same thing?

is Cooc a Vietnamese last name too? because there two Asian kids during high school with the last name Cooc.
I don't know if it's korean or vietnamese or chinese. lol
McFly
QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Feb 15 2008, 03:57 PM) [snapback]3501180[/snapback]
what's your last name?



XigonCongchua, I don't think your last name can really make out what you are. Take me as an example. Everyone on my mom side of the family is Teochew. My great-grandfather on my dad's side is also Chinese who married my great-grandmother who is Vietnamese. Since my great-grandmother was the 2nd wife so my grandfather (her son) was not allowed to carry on his dad's last name. The first wife didn't allowed that. He was forced to take his mom's last name. So therefore I have a pure Vietnamese last name. Though, I have a lot of Chinese(over 50%) in my by blood, I'm 110% Vietnamese by heart and soul.


XigonCongchua
QUOTE(xeemlauj @ Feb 15 2008, 05:03 PM) [snapback]3501198[/snapback]
are Huynh and Nguyen the same thing?

is Cooc a Vietnamese last name too? because there two Asian kids during high school with the last name Cooc.
I don't know if it's korean or vietnamese or chinese. lol

no Nguyễn and Huỳnh aren't the same
Hoàng and Huỳnh have the same origin though

no Viet last name has two same consecutive letter

QUOTE(McFly @ Feb 15 2008, 05:10 PM) [snapback]3501215[/snapback]
XigonCongchua, I don't think your last name can really make out what you are. Take me as an example. Everyone on my mom side of the family is Teochew. My great-grandfather on my dad's side is also Chinese who married my great-grandmother who is Vietnamese. Since my great-grandmother was the 2nd wife so my grandfather (her son) was not allowed to carry on his dad's last name. The first wife didn't allowed that. He was forced to take his mom's last name. So therefore I have a pure Vietnamese last name. Though, I have a lot of Chinese(over 50%) in my by blood, I'm 110% Vietnamese by heart and soul.

I know I was just asking icon_wink.gif
The grandmom on my dad's side has a chinese-like last name because her dad was chinese too but she's Vietnamese by soul.
McFly
QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Feb 15 2008, 04:17 PM) [snapback]3501227[/snapback]
no Nguyễn and Huỳnh aren't the same
Hoàng and Huỳnh have the same origin though

no Viet last name has two same consecutive letter
I know I was just asking icon_wink.gif
The grandmom on my dad's side has a chinese-like last name because her dad was chinese too but she's Vietnamese by soul.



A friend of mine thought the last name NG was Vietnamese. I had to prove to him that it's not.

I found out that the NG surname is a Chinese surname used mostly in Singapore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commo...es_in_Singapore


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huang

Huang (Chinese: 黃) is a Chinese surname. While Huang is the pinyin romanisation of the word, it may also be romanised as Houang, Wong, Vong, Bong, Ng, Uy, Wee, Oi, Oei or Ooi, Ong, Hwang, or Ung due to pronunciations of the word in different dialects and languages. The surname is known as Hoàng or as Huỳnh (phonetically pronounced, "Hoo-yen") in Vietnamese, and Hwang, Whang in Korean.


In Vietnamese there's no surname 'NG'. NG = Hoàng or as Huỳnh in Vietnamese


XigonCongchua
^ Ng = Ngô in Vietnamese

but the spelling of Ng obviously shows that it's not Vietnamese
have you ever seen a Vietnamese word without a vowel? embarassedlaugh.gif
blacklight
QUOTE(lamplight @ Feb 14 2008, 08:28 PM) [snapback]3498792[/snapback]
Nguyen was not popular until 13th century when all Ly were forced to change their family name into Nguyen. This is because the name of the Emperor at that time is Tran Ly. So for a period of 300 years there is no Ly in Vietnam.

The Tran family was muscling the Ly family from power and in the process, they gave the Lys the option of changing their names to Nguyen - or die. Ly is definitely an old, respected if not revered Vietnamese family name. Ly Thai Tho was one of our greatest greatest kings ever.
Qkhanh
QUOTE(McFly @ Feb 15 2008, 06:55 PM) [snapback]3501174[/snapback]
I think more from the South have Chinese blood (Cho Lon). Me and a lot of my relatives are Chinese blood. Also a lot of Chinese migrated to the South for business back in the days.

I agree

A lot of my Vietnamese friends over here have parents from the south, and they have chinese last names or claim to be part chinese.

My Dad is also from the south and is mostly chinese with the last name Du
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