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fujisan_8
Can anyone point out some customs of these two countries that are different? To me it seems 99% of Vietnamese culture/customs/beliefs is exactly the same as China's.

I can see visible differences between Japan and Korean cultures as compared with China's though.
PervertBurger
99%? Are you sure?
Byron
Food is very different.

Language and writing system.

Views of Women.
PervertBurger
QUOTE (Byron)
Views of Women.


Whats the difference?
Byron
I got work right now I'll come back and tell you with articles supporting the views of women in Vietnamese and Chinese culture as well as other differences between the 2 cultures.
Rocky Cuong V
QUOTE (fujisan_8 @ Aug 11 2004, 01:05 AM)
Can anyone point out some customs of these two countries that are different? To me it seems 99% of Vietnamese culture/customs/beliefs is exactly the same as China's.

I can see visible differences between Japan and Korean cultures as compared with China's though.

beerchug.gif Thats exactely correct. And 99% of Greeks culture/customs/beliefs is exactly the same as Great Britian as well. sure.gif
khuanam
aRE U BEGGING FOR A FLAME WAR?
supernovasp
QUOTE (fujisan_8 @ Aug 10 2004, 10:05 AM)
Can anyone point out some customs of these two countries that are different? To me it seems 99% of Vietnamese culture/customs/beliefs is exactly the same as China's.

I can see visible differences between Japan and Korean cultures as compared with China's though.

It's closed to Southern Chinese culture too be exact , such as like Vietnamese architectures are similar to Southern Chinese architecture, while Korean architectures are similar to Northern Chinese and Japanese.

There are some small differences here and there.
rudeboy
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Aug 10 2004, 11:42 AM)
QUOTE (fujisan_8 @ Aug 10 2004, 10:05 AM)
Can anyone point out some customs of these two countries that are different? To me it seems 99% of Vietnamese culture/customs/beliefs is exactly the same as China's.

I can see visible differences between Japan and Korean cultures as compared with China's though.

It's closed to Southern Chinese culture too be exact , such as like Vietnamese architectures are similar to Southern Chinese architecture, while Korean architectures are similar to Northern Chinese and Japanese.

There are some small differences here and there.

In terms of customs, clothing, food, and the nitty-gritty of culture (views and values), even northern Chinese culture is far different from Japanese culture and somewhat to Korean. I think the closest culture to China is Viet, even though most people don't know this. It's not surprising since China (on a person-to-person level) has always had more contact with the south, even prehistorically, then with Japan or Korea.
福州市长
well let me tell u guys la.. i have very close vietnamese friends and their families also my friends..and i found out their thinking and culture are very similar with us..and i'm from southern China... the food are similar(those foold in chinese restaurant not real chinese food)
nPm858
Well... in Vietnamese weddings, the bride wears that red cone shape hat.
Tav6
QUOTE (nPm858 @ Aug 10 2004, 02:35 PM)
Well... in Vietnamese weddings, the bride wears that red cone shape hat.

you mean this kind of hat?

Huynh
well in china there house r like in the open, like when u want to go to other room u got to go to the court(which is open to the outside)
aaronly
QUOTE (fujisan_8 @ Aug 10 2004, 10:05 AM)
Can anyone point out some customs of these two countries that are different? To me it seems 99% of Vietnamese culture/customs/beliefs is exactly the same as China's.

I can see visible differences between Japan and Korean cultures as compared with China's though.

i wouldnt say they are 99 percent the same, more like 85 percent the same
Rappapa
There's a difference between Vietnamese Ao Dai and Chinese QiPao(sp?) dresses. I think the Chinese dress looks 100% better. Besides, it's vibrant colors make the person stand out. Not the dull, dead colors of Vietnamese Ao Dai.
chynagongju
QUOTE (Rappapa @ Aug 10 2004, 07:58 PM)
There's a difference between Vietnamese Ao Dai and Chinese QiPao(sp?) dresses. I think the Chinese dress looks 100% better. Besides, it's vibrant colors make the person stand out. Not the dull, dead colors of Vietnamese Ao Dai.

I always wondered about that too. Is there a difference between the Ao Dai and the Qi Pao?? confused.gif
Byron
But then again Japan and Korean robes look similar to each other as well.

Not to mention European cultures are similar to each other as well with same architecuture design in castles and clothing.

Basically everyone copies each other.
supernovasp
QUOTE (Byron @ Aug 10 2004, 09:15 PM)
But then again Japan and Korean robes look similar to each other as well.

Not to mention European cultures are similar to each other as well with same architecuture design in castles and clothing.

Basically everyone copies each other.

Korean and Japanese clothes are not a like.
Byron
The Kimono and that Korean robe look alike to me.
supernovasp
How can this:


look like this:

supernovasp
QUOTE (Rappapa @ Aug 10 2004, 08:58 PM)
There's a difference between Vietnamese Ao Dai and Chinese QiPao(sp?) dresses. I think the Chinese dress looks 100% better. Besides, it's vibrant colors make the person stand out. Not the dull, dead colors of Vietnamese Ao Dai.

My taste, ao dai looks more pretier and flowing more than cheungsam.

What are dead colors?
Byron
They are similar and are as different as the Ao Dai is to that Chinese dress.
supernovasp
QUOTE (Byron @ Aug 10 2004, 09:33 PM)
They are similar and are as different as the Ao Dai is to that Chinese dress.

Kimono and Hanbok structures are totally different. Hanbok is puffy and big, while Kimono is more tighten and wrapped around the body. Hanbok has fitted sleeves, while Japanese ones are big. Kimono is wrapped around with the belt-like thing (forgot its proper name) with a pillow-like thing in the back, while Hanbok is not wrapped by any belts, but it has a small bow IN FRONT. The color schemes are quite different too.
福州市长
korean dress and japanese u can tell how big the women's chest are..
supernovasp
QUOTE (福州市长 @ Aug 10 2004, 09:53 PM)
korean dress and japanese u can tell how big the women's chest are..

I don't think so but yukata (summer kimono) definitely can tell how big the women's boobies are.... embarassedlaugh.gif
福州市长
i think qi pao and vietnamese dress are more easier to wear..
fiji
QUOTE (Rappapa @ Aug 10 2004, 08:58 PM)
There's a difference between Vietnamese Ao Dai and Chinese QiPao(sp?) dresses. I think the Chinese dress looks 100% better. Besides, it's vibrant colors make the person stand out. Not the dull, dead colors of Vietnamese Ao Dai.

I think Vietnamese Ao Dai looks better. Try not to be bias as I can. Is QiPao the Chinese long dress that girls wore at shanghai's clubs in the early 1900s? If that's the one, then Ao Dai is in another class compared to it. Ao Dai is something you can wear to special events. It's elegant and classy and there's plenty of variations to match the event. QiPao is something you can only wear to nightclub or to portray that Eastern's exotic. The dress itself is short sleve and doesn't have pants that come with it, correct?

Dead color, I have no clue what you're talking about. Unless you mean when worn by older women, they usually wear darker color.

Other differences:

Fish sauce, I don't think Chinese eat with fish sauce, or do they? Most food are different, but that's obvious since living in different region people eat different kinds of food. Culture, we are very different, Chinese is too strict on the confucious thing. Beside those mentioned, I guess we are very alike, even the government, same type of government trying to move the same direction.
supernovasp
QUOTE (fiji @ Aug 10 2004, 10:01 PM)
even the government, same type of government trying to move the same direction.

I'm not proud or feeling any kind of happiness about modelling after Chinese, but then Vietcom are just pigs who want their power. embarassedlaugh.gif
福州市长
oh boy boy..u don't judge stuff base on the TV..there are long sleeve and short sleeve qi pao..ok...and theres various colors and design
chinese do eat fish sauce....and lots western/chinese people wear qi pao at special events
and vietnamese cloth look like the cloth man wears long time ago..
Rappapa
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Aug 10 2004, 09:30 PM)
QUOTE (Rappapa @ Aug 10 2004, 08:58 PM)
There's a difference between Vietnamese Ao Dai and Chinese QiPao(sp?) dresses. I think the Chinese dress looks 100% better. Besides, it's vibrant colors make the person stand out. Not the dull, dead colors of Vietnamese Ao Dai.

My taste, ao dai looks more pretier and flowing more than cheungsam.

What are dead colors?

Ahh a canto speaking friend beerchug.gif

Dull colors, compare them with the Ao Dai and CheungSam. It's like Pale yellow compared to Bright yellow.

The Korean dress looks like a Oversized Baby Doll dress embarassedlaugh.gif
The Female Kimono does not. There's clearly a difference.
supernovasp
QUOTE (Rappapa @ Aug 10 2004, 10:14 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Aug 10 2004, 09:30 PM)
QUOTE (Rappapa @ Aug 10 2004, 08:58 PM)
There's a difference between Vietnamese Ao Dai and Chinese QiPao(sp?) dresses. I think the Chinese dress looks 100% better. Besides, it's vibrant colors make the person stand out. Not the dull, dead colors of Vietnamese Ao Dai.

My taste, ao dai looks more pretier and flowing more than cheungsam.

What are dead colors?

Ahh a canto speaking friend beerchug.gif

Dull colors, compare them with the Ao Dai and CheungSam. It's like Pale yellow compared to Bright yellow.

The Korean dress looks like a Oversized Baby Doll dress embarassedlaugh.gif
The Female Kimono does not. There's clearly a difference.

Be specific (pictures?), like Qibao, Ao dai comes with many colors. Go to Vietnam and see the aoyais, they're very pretty.
Byron
I prefer the Ao Dai without that silly looking hat that looks too big for their head.

福州市长

when u wear qi pao..make u look like a rich woman
Byron
I hope Vietnam will one day get rid of Western clothing and everyone wears Vietnamese traditional clothing instead.
Rappapa
http://www.pathfind.org/pf/Journey/viet%20nam/ao_dai.htm
^Ao Dai

http://asianideas.com/blousesshirts.html
^QiPao

I guess it's because of the glimmering effect of the silk shrug.gif

I like the QiPao more anyways. It's more...how you say...high class.

*Edit* Spell check
福州市长
those qi pao in your website are ugly..u should go to qi pao store in NYC..those cloth looks hot hot hot
Rappapa
I was looking for bright pretty colored QiPao's embarassedlaugh.gif
Rocky Cuong V
QUOTE (Byron @ Aug 11 2004, 01:26 PM)
I hope Vietnam will one day get rid of Western clothing and everyone wears Vietnamese traditional clothing instead.

er....lets hope not... sure.gif
Rappapa
QUOTE (Cuong @ Aug 10 2004, 10:39 PM)
QUOTE (Byron @ Aug 11 2004, 01:26 PM)
I hope Vietnam will one day get rid of Western clothing and everyone wears Vietnamese traditional clothing instead.

er....lets hope not... sure.gif

I second that sure.gif
fiji
QUOTE (Rappapa @ Aug 10 2004, 10:32 PM)
http://www.pathfind.org/pf/Journey/viet%20nam/ao_dai.htm
^Ao Dai

http://asianideas.com/blousesshirts.html
^QiPao

I guess it's because of the glimmering effect of the silk shrug.gif

I like the QiPao more anyways. It's more...how you say...high class.

*Edit* Spell check

I guess we are all a little biased. You show Ao Dai as it is worned by everyday people for god no how old ago, maybe 30 years ago? And for the QiPao you showed is from an online store that would be worn to a party. confused.gif

There are variation of Ao Dai to wear to party and social events. The wedding variation is extremely gorgeous and I must say the most beautiful dress I've ever seen, with the hat too.

I think QiPao is cute too, but comparing high-class... I guess it is elegant since people wear it back then in shanghai for social events and parties, but like I've said before it's kinda like presenting oriental exotics to western people, and I maybe that was the point back then in shanghai. Ao Dai is more elegant and doesn't required showing any meat.
supernovasp
QUOTE (Byron @ Aug 10 2004, 10:26 PM)
I hope Vietnam will one day get rid of Western clothing and everyone wears Vietnamese traditional clothing instead.

Life goes on. You can't control people, fashions, trends, and such, unless you are a facist.. like some of people in this forum.

Change is the hardest thing to accept, but you must learn, because change is essential to every society.
supernovasp
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Rappapa
QUOTE (fiji @ Aug 10 2004, 10:49 PM)
Ao Dai is more elegant and doesn't required showing any meat.

There are also different variations of the QiPao. Ones that don't require the showing of meat.

Besides, the Ao Dai came from China embarassedlaugh.gif

Whats the quote I'm looking for..."ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!" embarassedlaugh.gif
supernovasp
QUOTE (Rappapa @ Aug 10 2004, 11:01 PM)
QUOTE (fiji @ Aug 10 2004, 10:49 PM)
Ao Dai is more elegant and doesn't required showing any meat.

There are also different variations of the QiPao. Ones that don't require the showing of meat.

Besides, the Ao Dai came from China embarassedlaugh.gif

Whats the quote I'm looking for..."ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!" embarassedlaugh.gif

Ao dai comes from Ao tu than which doesn't come from Chinese :S

You want sparkling $hits? Fine

cds
Philosophy/Religions are the same. Different language.
Would you guys please lower the percentage since it may hurt my Vietnamese nationalism? embarassedlaugh.gif
Yeah if you can tell the difference between Ao Dai and QiPao, you can tell the difference between Vietnamese and Chinese embarassedlaugh.gif

What's the difference?

Rappapa
That Ao Dais got a dull colored sleeve. Compare it to the Chinese one embarassedlaugh.gif

http://www.vietbc.com/Longdress/
^It says that sources of the Ao Dai are not clear. It may have been developed in China :genius:

*Edit*:

"'Ao Dai' is the traditional dress for Vietnamese women. Developed from Chinese court clothing in the early 1900s." - http://www.geocities.com/christine_quan/ao_dai.htm

There's a dull colored Ao Dai in that site as well embarassedlaugh.gif
vi3tlamgurl
the only simular thign about both dresses is the neck part and hmm...it has a long split at the end? lol..but i really like both dresses
supernovasp
QUOTE (Rappapa @ Aug 10 2004, 11:14 PM)
That Ao Dais got a dull colored sleeve. Compare it to the Chinese one embarassedlaugh.gif

http://www.vietbc.com/Longdress/
^It says that sources of the Ao Dai are not clear. It may have been developed in China :genius:

There are many stylish variations in color and collar design. Originally, the ao dai was loosely tailored with four panels, two of which were tied in back.

There that's ao tu than..


Most of typical Cheungsam don't have sleeves. I think it sucks to try to find something ugly to bash on others icon_rolleyes.gif

And the site you gave sucks because it's contradicted. First it said "Over the time, it changed with the fashion trends from long tunic to short tunic" which is originally ao tu than. Ao tu than is worn way before the 1900s. The ethnic Jing in China migrated from Vietnam in the 1600-1700 still wears ao tu than to this day.
Rappapa
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Aug 10 2004, 11:17 PM)
QUOTE (Rappapa @ Aug 10 2004, 11:14 PM)
That Ao Dais got a dull colored sleeve. Compare it to the Chinese one embarassedlaugh.gif

http://www.vietbc.com/Longdress/
^It says that sources of the Ao Dai are not clear. It may have been developed in China :genius:

There are many stylish variations in color and collar design. Originally, the ao dai was loosely tailored with four panels, two of which were tied in back.

There that's ao tu than..


Most of typical Cheungsam don't have sleeves. I think it sucks to try to find something ugly to bash on others icon_rolleyes.gif

And the site you gave sucks because it's contradicted. First it said "Over the time, it changed with the fashion trends from long tunic to short tunic" which is originally ao tu than. Ao tu than is worn way before the 1900s. The ethnic Jing in China migrated from Vietnam in the 1600-1700 still wears ao tu than to this day.

Keep reading to the part where it says "A short history of the Aó-Daì:" icon_rolleyes.gif

Before 1900's? They all say 1930's or so.
aaronly
QUOTE (cds @ Aug 10 2004, 11:08 PM)
Philosophy/Religions are the same. Different language.
Would you guys please lower the percentage since it may hurt my Vietnamese nationalism? embarassedlaugh.gif
Yeah if you can tell the difference between Ao Dai and QiPao, you can tell the difference between Vietnamese and Chinese embarassedlaugh.gif

What's the difference?


fine i will lower the percentage to 80 percent beerchug.gif
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