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SantaKlaws
I am making this problem public becase one particular member, Titanium, has repeatedly advocated sexual slavery and child prostitution of North Korean refugees, and it seems the mods are doing nothing about this. Titanium has also advocated the massacre of Tibetans, and I don't think the mods did anything about it. While I believe that different views should be tolerated and embraced, I feel that Titanium has crossed the line in openly advocating such atrocities and outright violation of human rights. Titanium's behavior should not be tolerated, and this kind of behavior should be strongly discouraged with effective measures, such as warnings and bans.

This is the latest example of his problematic behavior:
QUOTE(Titanium @ Jan 30 2008, 07:33 AM) [snapback]3458620[/snapback]
You do have make a valid point BUT on the same token the women from your Northern borders are a bit less pricy no? After all, these North Korean women aren't even looking for a quick buck. They are looking for something that's an even greater necessity.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/arch...2/10/2003283761
http://www.antislavery.org/homepage/resour...port%202005.pdf
<a href="http://www.refugeesinternational.org/content/article/detail/890/" target="_blank">
http://www.refugeesinternational.org/conte...cle/detail/890/</a>

Price is not the only issue at hand here, believe it or not importing NK women might actually be a good counterbalance to the growing gender imbalance.


http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=3458620

Another thread where he openly lauds prostitution of North Korean children has been deleted, but I'm sure the mods can get their hands on it, assuming the mods can still see deleted threads.

He also openly advocates genocides of "problematic" peoples:
QUOTE(Titanium @ Nov 8 2006, 10:28 AM) [snapback]2461116[/snapback]
I agree, if the Qing had properly wiped out these problematic peoples during their reign like they should have, none of this would be a problem today. That was another terrible mistake during the Qing. Oh well with projects like the Qinghai Railway complete, the coffin will finally be nailed. Oh and BTW I'm not against Chinese minorities, the Zhuang, Yao, Li, Naxi, etc. are all good peoples. They don't cause any problems and they don't threaten to secede. The Zhuang is China's model minority, 15 million strong and they don't cause any trouble whatsoever. They're not like Tibetans, Inner Mongols, or Uighurs at all.


http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...p;#entry2461116

This kind of behavior should not be tolerated, and I strongly ask the mod community and the administrator to put strong measures into effect to discourage this kind of behavior and, if possible, prevent it from happening again.
Wardrum80
I second you
Suijen
The second link was over a year ago, and I'm not sure what the offense is in the first link. If he deserves a warning, then let him have one; that's what warnings are for. He's not a troll to me.
Dette
Sometimes one's thread is not favorable to a few but it is to many.

There are some issues which MODS don't really pay attnetion with or might probably not find it abusive.

But there are times we can't control the OP for posting what he desire to post.

And on the other hand, the MODS has the responsibility to maintain balance between the OP and the responders in a thread.
ChinaSoldier
Coming from Santa this is just too much of "the pot calling the kettle black"
SantaKlaws
QUOTE(Dette @ Jan 31 2008, 07:25 PM) [snapback]3462141[/snapback]
Sometimes one's thread is not favorable to a few but it is to many.

There are some issues which MODS don't really pay attnetion with or might probably not find it abusive.

But there are times we can't control the OP for posting what he desire to post.

And on the other hand, the MODS has the responsibility to maintain balance between the OP and the responders in a thread.


Then are you saying that advocacy of sexual slavery and child prostitution of international refugees is "favorable to many"? Have the moral standard at AF gone so low?
Erdene
Whats his/her/its past history in terms of warnings and bans??? anyone know???
Captain Corea
Personally, I'm tired of seeing far too many posters promoting acts of violence and brutality.

I'll have to look through these links, but if he's saying that human trafficking is a good thing - he's a troll.
SantaKlaws
QUOTE(Erdene @ Feb 1 2008, 08:37 AM) [snapback]3463135[/snapback]
Whats his/her/its past history in terms of warnings and bans??? anyone know???


Hopefully, the mods would be so kind to inform us if anything was done for Titanium's problemtic behavior, especially when he gave cheers to child prostitution of North Korea refugees. If he WAS warned, then obviously warning alone doesn't help much.
Jarhier
QUOTE(SantaKlaws @ Jan 29 2008, 07:17 PM) [snapback]3459138[/snapback]
Another thread where he openly lauds prostitution of North Korean children has been deleted, but I'm sure the mods can get their hands on it, assuming the mods can still see deleted threads.


that's really fu-ked up if he really said that. i usually find titanium's posts neutral in most cases, or so i thought; i agree that these kinds of behavior should not be tolerated, especially when it comes to making malicious comments about children as such.
YuBumsuk
I'm not familiar with his posting history but I should hope that anyone who even suggests that there's something to debate about this would be quickly banned.
jose cuervo
Attitudes like this at AF are encouraged.

Just check this pathetic post out.

QUOTE(MadGhoul @ Jul 10 2007, 08:55 AM) [snapback]3051548[/snapback]
hahahaha. things never change, China has always been surrounded by enemies throughout its history. looks like it still does, you pathetic rejects can talk $hit all you want, still doesn't change the fact that the China will be the only country to be able to go toe to toe to the U.S. in the near future. and to the OP and the Southeast asian monkeys, just because you came from countries that offered nothing to the world in its history and were basically subordinates or tributaries to China, and now you feel all proud of being an American because you obviously don't for your parent country doesn't mean you can tell what the Chinese to feel and who to feel patriotic to. you don't know what they went through, you don't know them, you don't know the depth of their beliefs and its pieces of $hit like you that makes them feel unwelcome in the first place. they felt unwelcome from the getgo ever since they came to America. so why should they feel patriotic about a country that hates them, despite what they've done for this country?

so you all can go fu-k yourselfs, I my self am proud to be american and Chinese. we don't give a $hit if everyone hates us, and we don't give a $hit now. don't be mad, cause we're better than you. accept it


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Arash


Leave arguments for real life where you can kick people's teeth out.

The Internet is for funzies. biggrin.gif
backho
I vote a warning.
SantaKlaws
So are any mods going to make it clear whether advocating sexual slavery and child prostitution is tolerated at AF?
piclook
he got a warn, it looks like.
jose cuervo
This group of mods here are going to be replaced soon anyway. Ben is going to announce openings for members that wants to be mods soon. Just apply. Older members that are active here with quality posts would have a good shot at being mod.

SantaKlaws
QUOTE(Tissue Box @ Feb 3 2008, 09:11 AM) [snapback]3468286[/snapback]
i read the thread you were referring to and by my observation the whole argument arose after titanium made a suggestion which countered your post about generalising a situation which is supposedly only isolate in china.

the post you refer to where he 'advocates prostitution of NK refugees' is not what i consider to be the avocation of a heinous act. he mightn't be ideally sensitive to the situation, but he was making a comment how it is a 'good counterbalance to growing gender-imbalance'. he is not using 'good' in the sense of casting approval of the situation, merely for the purpose of description. fyi, warning people for being insensitive would just be trumping on people's freedom to reasonably voice their thoughts and is just going to slump discussion by a great margin. IMO, using facts and scholarly-type observations on cultural nuances and socio-economic conditions to imply that chinese women are 'materialistic wrenches' is conduct that is no different.

regarding advocation of child prostitution - that will definitely get a warn but i'm still in the process of finding a reference to validate it - have not found it yet.

last post -advocation of genocide - that warrants a warn. pretty sure he's been warned for it.


Tissue Box, there is a huge difference between materialistic women and sexual slaves. The difference is that materialistic women prefer a wealthy man over a physically attractive man out of their own choice, while a sexual enslave women are forced by human traffickers to be sold off as commodities like things. And I only mentioned that such a phenomenon exists, and never approved it as a good thing. I myself have several close friends whose families have been devastated by this pehnomenon, and, to be honest, I abhor the situation. On the other hand, Titanium has clearly shown his approval of sexual slavery by saying that it's a good thing for a growing problem in China, gender-imbalance. If I had said that kidnapping women in China and trafficking them into Korea, and sell them as commodities is a good thing, or that comfort women that the Japanese extracted from Korea and China was a good thing for the war, then perhaps you can say there was no difference in my conduct and that of his. Again, there's a huge difference between a poor person being more materialistic, and a person being enslaved, deprived of free will. This goes beyond being insensitive. Titanium has consistently advocated heinous acts, from genocide to child prostitution, and now sexual slavery, and a stronger measure should be taken to prevent this from happening again, assuming AF's moral standard doesn't tolerate such heinous acts.

Also, his post was not even a valid counter-argument against my argument that the phenomenon in China cannot be generalized to the entirety of Asia, i.e. that it isn't a "disgrace to all Asians" as Ecthelion boldly suggested. A valid counter-argument would be that this phenomenon exists in Asian countries in general, not just Korea, or the kind of argument that Henry123 gave, which I believe to be relevant though I don't necessarily agree. In other words, his intention was not to counter the argument itself, but simply to "get back" at me by insulting Korea, like the other two problemetic posters there, Ecthelion and ChineseSoldier.

And I'm sure it won't take long to find his post where he lauds child prostitution. Not too many threads were deleted in Chinese Chat.

And another thing about a closed thread that baal started:
"Seriously baal, get the fvck out of our forum."

Is that something you can say in AF with impunity? I believe han2's response to baal's concern was most inappropriate.
Titanium
So this is what happens when people let their personal emotion and bitterness get the better of them.....So sad really.
SantaKlaws
QUOTE(Titanium @ Feb 3 2008, 03:02 PM) [snapback]3468961[/snapback]
So this is what happens when people let their personal emotion and bitterness get the better of them.....So sad really.


Even if you are personally emotional and bitter, there are certain moral lines you shouldn't cross, such as advocating genocides, child prostitution and sexual slavery. Take a look at your own signature - don't you feel ashamed of what you are?
Takashi
The mods can't even be arsed to enforce the existing rules so they're not going to make a new one which would result in even more work that would be ignored embarassedlaugh.gif
SantaKlaws
QUOTE(Takashi @ Feb 3 2008, 08:53 PM) [snapback]3469416[/snapback]
The mods can't even be arsed to enforce the existing rules so they're not going to make a new one which would result in even more work that would be ignored embarassedlaugh.gif


Perhaps you're too pessimistic. The trolls here are tenacious, and some are more subtle, so it may be hard to moderate for them. Nonetheless, I do agree that some of them are rather biased, and are ignorant of their duties to uphold the standards.
Titanium
QUOTE(SantaKlaws @ Feb 3 2008, 05:41 AM) [snapback]3469292[/snapback]
Even if you are personally emotional and bitter, there are certain moral lines you shouldn't cross, such as advocating genocides, child prostitution and sexual slavery. Take a look at your own signature - don't you feel ashamed of what you are?

embarassedlaugh.gif what was so particularly offensive or shameful about my previous signature?
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