QUOTE(jose cuervo @ Dec 10 2007, 03:19 PM) [snapback]3359791[/snapback]
how about "giet chet giac Tau"!

Đúng...Nhưng mà phải kiêˊm được tụi nó.
Let's have a dose of reality for both sides of this debate...
QUOTE(lilzz @ Dec 10 2007, 03:43 PM) [snapback]3359848[/snapback]
ALso, provided if you are lucky and able to blew up one of those nuke sub, then the radiation fallout would spilled around the area. What good is it to have an ocean area that contains radioactive fallout.
It's going to kill your fishing and shrimping business for sure.
QUOTE(lilzz @ Dec 10 2007, 04:00 PM) [snapback]3359865[/snapback]
LOL, yeah, the chinese nuke subs travling up and down in South CHina Sea at this very moment. Pay attention, When I say Nuke I am referring the the nuke reactor engine NOT the Nuke tipped ICBM. When you blew up the nuke ship, you going to also blew away the engine and reactor inside, and the stuffs will spill out if they destroy the ship. THat's what I mean.
QUOTE(lilzz @ Dec 10 2007, 04:18 PM) [snapback]3359879[/snapback]
After reading this, I am going stop to talk /w you.
You are just a noob, what kind magic anti-submarine strategy that will disable the ship when leaving the nuke reactor intact? What allow you to have a guarantee like that when engaging in all out battle. Anti-submarine warfares means firing torpedos at the subs and things are going to blow up if got hit. That's simple as that, No argument on that. No way and no how.
Destroying a nuclear submarine does not necessarily mean the reactor itself will be destroyed or even containment is compromised. Nuclear reactors are noisy compared to batteries in diesel/batteries boats. The reactor compartment will be heavily shielded and re-enforced. Torpedoes are not impact/contact fused but proximity fused, same with depth charges. That mean the boat does not have to be destroyed in order to render it ineffective, merely damaged enough to compromise the 'stealthiness' in its nature. A damaged boat's skipper will run and/or hide, depending on the situation and the extent of the damages. Even a bent maneuvering plane
CAN (but not necessarily will) produce abnormal noise when water is passed over/under it, then passive listening by the enemy, surface or underwater, will pick him up and prosecute the battle. Basic aerodynamics applied to this liquid environment and noises are carried to even greater distance because of the greater density of the medium -- water -- over 'air'. I attended a few 'steel beach' parties with submariners to pick up a few things out of curiousity.
QUOTE(forgeCool @ Dec 10 2007, 04:37 PM) [snapback]3359894[/snapback]
LMAO you need to read more on anti-submarine warfare to be able to understand my previous post. Destroying a submarine in totality is not necessarily the utmost objective, there are also strategies that could maximize the sub's damage while leaving other environmentally noxious element under control.
No such strategies exists and if any commander, sub or surface, enters a battle with such a mentality, he should be relieved of his command on the spot. And may be he should be shot just for being stupid. Once a torpedo is released, you basically have no control
HOW it is going to damage/destroy a submarine. The goal is to win a fight and when militaries engages each other, each side should fight with the mentality that the outcome of this battle
WILL affect the course of the war and ultimately the survival of the country and believe it or not, every victory, no matter how small of a gain, is a bargaining chip for your side at the negotiation table. The fact that there might be environmental consequences is irrelevant.
The reality here is that in this waterfight, Viet Nam is at a serious disadvantage. This is essentially not a deep water conflict but a littoral one. Littoral water is shallow water and is abundant with marine life noises, masking a sub's presence. Soviet boats have been detected passively when even being still in deep water. Diesel boats, when running on batteries, are even more quiet than nuclear boats. Running in this context does not mean moving but simply being on battery power. The Vietnamese fleet can passed over a couple of diesel Chinese boats and not know it. The PLAN is still a 'brown water' navy and they have plenty of experience at shallow water submarine operations. On the other hand, China is working hard to be a respected military power on a global scale, no longer restrained by the once Soviets. America have the resources and wealth to be able to survive embarrassing events like when their subs collided with fishing trawlers. China cannot. Even if a couple of their diesel boats are damaged by Viet Nam, enough to withdraw from Viet Nam's territorial waters, will be sufficient loss of face internationally. The loss of one such boat to the Vietnamese Navy would be unthinkable. To win this fight, Viet Nam will have rely more on guile and knowledge of home waters/territory than on technology.