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LeftistVN
"Removing Article 4 from the Constitution is suicidal", said President Nguyen Minh Triet on August 27, 2007 when he visited the General Political Department (GPD) of the People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN).


Democracy activists in Vietnam asking for the removal of article 4 from the constitution.

http://vietnamaaa.noosblog.fr/congsan/file...inhTriet_QD.wma

Click on the above link to start listening to his speech.

Here is the Article 4 of the Constitution:

“The Communist Party of Viet Nam is the only party allowed to rule, and is the vanguard of the Vietnamese working class and is the loyal representative of the interests of the proletarians, the laborers, and the entire nation under Marx-Leninism and Ho Chi Minh’s thoughts, and is the force that direct the government and society...”.
bluelakedragon
QUOTE(LeftistVN @ Oct 20 2007, 03:29 AM) [snapback]3276638[/snapback]
"Removing Article 4 from the Constitution is suicidal", said President Nguyen Minh Triet on August 27, 2007 when he visited the General Political Department (GPD) of the People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN).


Democracy activists in Vietnam asking for the removal of article 4 from the constitution.

http://vietnamaaa.noosblog.fr/congsan/file...inhTriet_QD.wma

Click on the above link to start listening to his speech.

Here is the Article 4 of the Constitution:

“The Communist Party of Viet Nam is the only party allowed to rule, and is the vanguard of the Vietnamese working class and is the loyal representative of the interests of the proletarians, the laborers, and the entire nation under Marx-Leninism and Ho Chi Minh’s thoughts, and is the force that direct the government and society...”.


Currently, Vietnam is ruled by a single authoritarian Communist Party. Of course, they know without Article 4, the PEOPLE will have them gone in seconds. They are the most hated people in Vietnam. be very afraid commies!! hhahaha

There is no independent between the executive, legislative, and judicial branches. and when they talk about cleaning up corruptions, themselves are corrupted and they say they are going to clean up those corrupted. laugh.gif

Scotty Nguyen says: Get rid of article 4 and have a competitive bid for the job baby! biggthumpup.gif
asean.asia
Isn't that more correct?

QUOTE(bluelakedragon @ Oct 22 2007, 02:59 PM) [snapback]3280555[/snapback]
Currently, Vietnam is ruled by a single authoritarian Communist Party. Of course, they know without Article 4, I (bluelakedragon) think the PEOPLE will have them gone in seconds. I (bluelakedragon) think they are the most hated people in Vietnam. be very afraid commies!! hhahaha

There is no independent between the executive, legislative, and judicial branches. and when they talk about cleaning up corruptions, themselves are corrupted and they say they are going to clean up those corrupted. laugh.gif

Scotty Nguyen says: Get rid of article 4 and have a competitive bid for the job baby! biggthumpup.gif
Happy Asian
Remove Article 4 and the VNCH motherfu-kers will once again swamp VietNam and destroy it. The VNCH sons of b!tches are corrupt and yet they always play god, by criticising others for doing the same things they did. Article 4 should only be remove when all the VNCH motherfu-kers are dead!
bluelakedragon
QUOTE(Happy Asian @ Oct 23 2007, 08:34 AM) [snapback]3281881[/snapback]
Remove Article 4 and the VNCH motherfu-kers will once again swamp VietNam and destroy it. The VNCH sons of b!tches are corrupt and yet they always play god, by criticising others for doing the same things they did. Article 4 should only be remove when all the VNCH motherfu-kers are dead!



hey Happy guy/gal,

I wasn't around during the VNCH but I can tell you amount of corruptions right now in Vietnam is a NATIONAL CRISIS!!!!
Just read the news and witness history Happy guy/gal.
McFly
QUOTE(Happy Asian @ Oct 23 2007, 06:34 AM) [snapback]3281881[/snapback]
Remove Article 4 and the VNCH motherfu-kers will once again swamp VietNam and destroy it. The VNCH sons of b!tches are corrupt and yet they always play god, by criticising others for doing the same things they did. Article 4 should only be remove when all the VNCH motherfu-kers are dead!


I'm not sure if anybody in this forum is even old enough to be a VNCH. So hopefully you'll stop the VNCH b!tching....
nomad
QUOTE(Happy Asian @ Oct 23 2007, 09:34 AM) [snapback]3281881[/snapback]
Remove Article 4 and the VNCH motherfu-kers will once again swamp VietNam and destroy it.
How? It has been our money sent back that provided for much of the people and the government knows it.

http://www.mekongcapital.com/mr_gdp.htm
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EXTAML/...Corridor_WP.pdf
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Remittances represent an important source of external funds for the Vietnamese economy. Recorded workers’ remittances more than doubled from US$1.2 billion to US$2.6 billion over the four years 1999–2003 (Figure 2).

In the latter year, recorded remittances contributed US$1 billion more to the financing of the Vietnamese economy than the amount registered by ODA. Remittances by overseas Vietnamese are expected to reach US$3.5 billion in 2004, thus financing some 62 percent of the projected trade deficit.


QUOTE(Happy Asian @ Oct 23 2007, 09:34 AM) [snapback]3281881[/snapback]
The VNCH sons of b!tches are corrupt and yet they always play god, by criticising others for doing the same things they did. Article 4 should only be remove when all the VNCH motherfu-kers are dead!
But it IS because of the corruption and ineptitude of the commies that Viet Nam is in the sorry state that it is now. Think about it if you can...
TrashCleaner
QUOTE(nomad @ Oct 24 2007, 04:15 PM) [snapback]3283318[/snapback]
How? It has been our money sent back that provided for much of the people and the government knows it.


What?

You should take some economic lesson man. You sound really stupid.

First, it is not your money. Most figures are calculated as a sum of money sent back by people living overseas, which include:
- Vietnamese labour export working in Asia and Europe (in 2005, est = US $ 1.7 billion).
- Vietnamese people living overseas (from France, USA, former USSR, Australia, etc) which are both CHXHCNVH and VNCH supporters. Assuming you are one of those VNCH, they are certainly not all your people.

Second, although the money sent back does represent an injection of money which increase people's disposable income, which will contribute to an increase in GDP (by timing it with a multiplier), it doesnt do much to increase Vietnamese worker productivity. It is just money, there is no knowledge component in it.

And Vietnamese tends to spend like mad when they have an increase in disposable income. Our marginal propensity to consume is very high, our private consumption is as high as 60% of our disposable income, similar to Southeast Asian economies. China's private consumption is much lower, similar Northeast Asian economies. High private consumption is not as good as high investment (or saving) because with investment, it will facilitate an increase in productivity through technology. This is very important for long term development.

FDI is an injection of money in economy like overseas remittance. It also increases our GDP through the Keynesian multiplier. However, FDI will often go with technology and employment so it can increase Vietnamese productivity for long-term economic growth. Vietnam's FDI in 2007 is probably US $ 12 billion, way more than overseas remittance.

Government spending is also important. They need to focus on investment for long-term capacity building rather than short-term consumption.

Most FDI flows into Vietnam are from Asian investors. Overseas Vietnamese' investment is tiny, tiny by comparison.



There you go, a quick macro-economic lesson for u. Next time, think before open your mouth.
nomad
QUOTE(TrashCleaner @ Oct 24 2007, 07:23 AM) [snapback]3283559[/snapback]
What?

You should take some economic lesson man. You sound really stupid.

First, it is not your money. Most figures are calculated as a sum of money sent back by people living overseas, which include:
- Vietnamese labour export working in Asia and Europe (in 2005, est = US $ 1.7 billion).
- Vietnamese people living overseas (from France, USA, former USSR, Australia, etc) which are both CHXHCNVH and VNCH supporters. Assuming you are one of those VNCH, they are certainly not all your people.

Second, although the money sent back does represent an injection of money which increase people's disposable income, which will contribute to an increase in GDP (by timing it with a multiplier), it doesnt do much to increase Vietnamese worker productivity. It is just money, there is no knowledge component in it.

And Vietnamese tends to spend like mad when they have an increase in disposable income. Our marginal propensity to consume is very high, our private consumption is as high as 60% of our disposable income, similar to Southeast Asian economies. China's private consumption is much lower, similar Northeast Asian economies. High private consumption is not as good as high investment (or saving) because with investment, it will facilitate an increase in productivity through technology. This is very important for long term development.

FDI is an injection of money in economy like overseas remittance. It also increases our GDP through the Keynesian multiplier. However, FDI will often go with technology and employment so it can increase Vietnamese productivity for long-term economic growth. Vietnam's FDI in 2007 is probably US $ 12 billion, way more than overseas remittance.

Government spending is also important. They need to focus on investment for long-term capacity building rather than short-term consumption.

Most FDI flows into Vietnam are from Asian investors. Overseas Vietnamese' investment is tiny, tiny by comparison.
There you go, a quick macro-economic lesson for u. Next time, think before open your mouth.
The macro economic lesson is needless. You missed the point of my retort to a nonsensical comment. But that's OK...your macro economic lesson further support the idea that communism is worthless as an 'economic' model. Your fellow communists, not us, should thank you for the lesson.

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TrashCleaner
QUOTE(nomad @ Oct 25 2007, 03:53 AM) [snapback]3283996[/snapback]
The macro economic lesson is needless. You missed the point of my retort to a nonsensical comment. But that's OK...your macro economic lesson further support the idea that communism is worthless as an 'economic' model. Your fellow communists, not us, should thank you for the lesson.

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Đã ngu thì nên chấp nhận là mình ngu đi.
Dám nói là tiền kiều hối gửi về "provided much for the people". Provided as small as "your d!ck", maybe.

Cứng đầu cứng cổ cãi cùn làm gì. embarassedlaugh.gif


phreezen
QUOTE(nomad @ Oct 24 2007, 01:53 PM) [snapback]3283996[/snapback]
The macro economic lesson is needless. You missed the point of my retort to a nonsensical comment. But that's OK...your macro economic lesson further support the idea that communism is worthless as an 'economic' model. Your fellow communists, not us, should thank you for the lesson.

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Lapdog,

Obviously, the nonsensical comment as you've put it, must have irked you tremendously for you to have replied to it....LoL


The only thing more sad than your original post is your back-tracking post. Did you even tried to make any sort of attempt at making sense???


And yes, the lesson is obviously needed for you VNCH lapdogs.


Communism has been around forever and it's still here today....how could it failed? Communists are in your government. Great capitalists and industrialists are great admirers of communism such as the Rothchilds and the Rockefellers. Not to mention my awesome list of communists...


Communism will be around forever. That is a guarantee.
nomad
QUOTE(TrashCleaner @ Oct 24 2007, 05:10 PM) [snapback]3284238[/snapback]
Đã ngu thì nên chấp nhận là mình ngu đi.
Dám nói là tiền kiều hối gửi về "provided much for the people". Provided as small as "your d!ck", maybe.

Cứng đầu cứng cổ cãi cùn làm gì. embarassedlaugh.gif
The one who is 'hard headed' here are your kind who are too dense to see the consistent failure of the system you believe in. Who is the stupid one here? See below as highlighted...

QUOTE(phreezen @ Oct 24 2007, 08:44 PM) [snapback]3284568[/snapback]
Lapdog,

Obviously, the nonsensical comment as you've put it, must have irked you tremendously for you to have replied to it....LoL
The only thing more sad than your original post is your back-tracking post. Did you even tried to make any sort of attempt at making sense???

And yes, the lesson is obviously needed for you VNCH lapdogs.

Communism has been around forever and it's still here today....how could it failed? Communists are in your government.

Great capitalists and industrialists are great admirers of communism such as the Rothchilds and the Rockefellers. Not to mention my awesome list of communists...

Communism will be around forever. That is a guarantee.
Show me just ONE economy based upon this core Marxist principle...

--From each according to his ability. To each according to his needs. --

...That consistently successfully compete against any market based economy.

If neither one of you can, who are the stupid ones here, macro economy lessons or not?

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phreezen
QUOTE(nomad @ Oct 25 2007, 03:35 AM) [snapback]3285095[/snapback]
The one who is 'hard headed' here are your kind who are too dense to see the consistent failure of the system you believe in. Who is the stupid one here? See below as highlighted...

Show me just ONE economy based upon this core Marxist principle...

--From each according to his ability. To each according to his needs. --

...That consistently successfully compete against any market based economy.

If neither one of you can, who are the stupid ones here, macro economy lessons or not?

laugh.gif


Lapdog,

Your post doesn't make sense....What's new?


Apparently you think Marx invented communism. Try again lapdog. Guess what he is credited with?....I'll give you a hint. It starts with "Marx" and ends with "ism."


You want me to show you just one???? I can show you many....Pick any one country and that is your answer, because apparently you are confused about the quote. Have I answered your question, lapdog?


Now let me ask you a question, lapdog. What type of economy does the United States have????
nomad
QUOTE(phreezen @ Oct 25 2007, 04:03 AM) [snapback]3285120[/snapback]
Lapdog,

Your post doesn't make sense....What's new?
Apparently you think Marx invented communism. Try again lapdog. Guess what he is credited with?....I'll give you a hint. It starts with "Marx" and ends with "ism."
Apparently, you jumped to the conclusion that I believe Karl 'invented' communism. But no matter...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_acc...ing_to_his_need
QUOTE
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs) is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx in his 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program. The phrase summarizes the idea that, under a communist system, every person shall produce to the best of their ability in accordance with their talent, and each person shall receive the fruits of this production in accordance with their need, irrespective of what they have produced. In the Marxist view, such an arrangement will be made possible by the abundance of goods and services that a developed communist society will produce; the idea is that there will be enough to satisfy everyone's needs.
...Sounds awfully like an 'economic' model to me.

QUOTE(phreezen @ Oct 25 2007, 04:03 AM) [snapback]3285120[/snapback]
You want me to show you just one???? I can show you many....Pick any one country and that is your answer because apparently you are confused about the quote. Have I answer your question, lapdog?
No you have not. Apparently the ship en route to communist countries carrying macro economic textbooks must have got lost due to sh!tty communist produced navigation equipments. So can you show me just one communist economy that have successfully competed against any market economy.

QUOTE(phreezen @ Oct 25 2007, 04:03 AM) [snapback]3285120[/snapback]
Now let me ask you a question, lapdog. What type of economy does the United States have????
We'll examine THAT communist economy that are so successful against a capitalist market based economy first. Deal?
phreezen
QUOTE(nomad @ Oct 25 2007, 04:14 AM) [snapback]3285136[/snapback]
Apparently, you jumped to the conclusion that I believe Karl 'invented' communism. But no matter...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_acc...ing_to_his_need
...Sounds awfully like an 'economic' model to me.

No you have not. Apparently the ship en route to communist countries carrying macro economic textbooks must have got lost due to sh!tty communist produced navigation equipments. So can you show me just one communist economy that have successfully competed against any market economy.

We'll examine THAT communist economy that are so successful against a capitalist market based economy first. Deal?


Sounds like an economic model to you? Wow...more like you are confused. Like I've said...try making some sense.


I've answered your question. Now answer mine....what's the matter??...can't answer it?


I will be happy to answer any questions you have...
nomad
QUOTE(phreezen @ Oct 25 2007, 04:19 AM) [snapback]3285142[/snapback]
Sounds like an economic model to you? Wow...more like you are confused. Like I've said...try making some sense.
I've answered your question. Now answer mine....what's the matter??...can't answer it?
I will be happy to answer any questions you have...
You are correct. I have no idea of what is the economic model of the US.

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Likewise, I have no idea what was the USSR's either. Can you explain to me why did the USSR collapsed but not the US? Can you explain to me why economic success/failure have nothing to do with said collapse? Can you explain to me why do ordinary Russians have to wait in lines just to BUY necessities but Americans waited to PAY for luxury items? Can you explain to me why 'special meat', aka human flesh, exists in North Korean markets?

I have many more questions about economic, macro and micro, from such a learned communist like yourself.

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phreezen
QUOTE(nomad @ Oct 25 2007, 04:27 AM) [snapback]3285147[/snapback]
You are correct. I have no idea of what is the economic model of the US.

laugh.gif

Likewise, I have no idea what was the USSR's either. Can you explain to me why did the USSR collapsed but not the US? Can you explain to me why economic success/failure have nothing to do with said collapse? Can you explain to me why do ordinary Russians have to wait in lines just to BUY necessities but Americans waited to PAY for luxury items? Can you explain to me why 'special meat', aka human flesh, exists in North Korean markets?

I have many more questions about economic, macro and micro, from such a learned communist like yourself.

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I certainly can explain it to you. And I already have........Here's your problem....Listen closely.....


You know nothing about communism, Marxism, Stalinism, Leninism...etc, which you are pathetically attempting to mash it all in one.


Your questions are mangle and incoherent. The collasped of the USSR has many reasons, which to date no one has pinpointed exactly the cause....Second the North Korean off shoot question...please....don't make me laugh.




nomad
QUOTE(phreezen @ Oct 25 2007, 04:47 AM) [snapback]3285152[/snapback]
I certainly can explain it to you. And I already have........Here's your problem....Listen closely.....

You know nothing about communism, Marxism, Stalinism, Leninism...etc, which you are pathetically attempting to mash it all in one.

Your questions are mangle and incoherent. The collasped of the USSR has many reasons, which to date no one has pinpointed exactly the cause....Second the North Korean off shoot question...please....don't make me laugh.
Fine...Then educate me. Show the readership your superior intellect and education. You should have no problems at all. Telling me that I know nothing of communism, Marxism, Stalinism, Leninism...etc, is an excellent start. My questions are not 'mangle and incoherent'. They are valid. I have been to East Berlin when it existed. I saw ONE culture, ONE people speaking ONE language. Yet the conditions of their respective sides could not be any different than that of day and night, east and west, diamond and sand...you get the picture. Same as my questions for the contrast between the USSR and the US. Russia, as many economists such as Thomas Sowell or Paul Krugman (NY Times) have credibly called the most resource rich land on Earth. So if resources are not the problem, what is? I am not trying to make you laugh. If my ignorance induces fits of condescending laughter in you, I will swallow my pride and humbly ask for your forbearance. Notice I did not ask if economics was the THE factor in the collapse of the USSR. I asked if economics had ANYTHING to do with it? Or NOTHING at all. If economics had nothing to do with it, then can you explain to me how Sowell and Krugman were so wrong when I read so long ago from them that economics was the cause.
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