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fujisan_8
Id say independence.
CJK
i second that
chosenone22
no independence=nothing
ngo.ngochy
Yea, so independence shouldn't be an option since we all know without independence the other choices wouldn't be possible.
supernovasp
The Doi Moi reforms.

this is laughable
Huynh
i said indepence cause with out it there would be any vietnam to talk about
Clean
True. Independence must be the most significant there. It affected ALL levels of Vietnamese life, and all Vietnamese for ever on end.

The best thing to ever happen to Vietnam was when we beat China and kicked them out of our territory. Best thing that ever happened. And when we kicked the French out, second best thing to ever happen to Vietnam.
HoChiMinh
First is Independence, second is Doi Moi and the recent economic/political reforms.
supernovasp
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:06 PM)
First is Independence, second is Doi Moi and the recent economic/political reforms.

How is Doi Moi really a Vietnam's progress?
HoChiMinh
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:07 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:06 PM)
First is Independence, second is Doi Moi and the recent economic/political reforms.

How is Doi Moi really a Vietnam's progress?

Doi Moi refers to the transition of the Vietnamese economy from one being government run and strictly controlled to that of a market economy. As a result of Do Moi, the Vietnamese people has been enjoying greater prosperity and a higher standard of living. It has also brought us closer to the world and spurning political reforms. Isn't that a Vietnamese progress?
Byron
ha ha
supernovasp
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:11 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:07 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:06 PM)
First is Independence, second is Doi Moi and the recent economic/political reforms.

How is Doi Moi really a Vietnam's progress?

Doi Moi refers to the transition of the Vietnamese economy from one being government run and strictly controlled to that of a market economy. As a result of Do Moi, the Vietnamese people has been enjoying greater prosperity and a higher standard of living. It has also brought us closer to the world and spurning political reforms. Isn't that a Vietnamese progress?

Greater prosperity and higher standard of living is still dubious. I don't think you can consider Vietnam now as "prosperity" although its country's economy is booming.

Political reforms? Oh please, old uneducated northern vietnamese are still controlling Vietnam, and it stands behind Indonesia (2nd place) in the world corruption index
HoChiMinh
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:16 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:11 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:07 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:06 PM)
First is Independence, second is Doi Moi and the recent economic/political reforms.

How is Doi Moi really a Vietnam's progress?

Doi Moi refers to the transition of the Vietnamese economy from one being government run and strictly controlled to that of a market economy. As a result of Do Moi, the Vietnamese people has been enjoying greater prosperity and a higher standard of living. It has also brought us closer to the world and spurning political reforms. Isn't that a Vietnamese progress?

Greater prosperity and higher standard of living is still dubious. I don't think you can consider Vietnam now as "prosperity" although its country's economy is booming.

Political reforms? Oh please, old uneducated northern vietnamese are still controlling Vietnam, and it stands behind Indonesia (2nd place) in the world corruption index

Yes there is a long way to go, but without the Doi Moi, Vietnam would still be threatened with famine and 60% of the population would be in poverty. It's a progress although it's still infantile a step.
supernovasp
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:17 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:16 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:11 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:07 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:06 PM)
First is Independence, second is Doi Moi and the recent economic/political reforms.

How is Doi Moi really a Vietnam's progress?

Doi Moi refers to the transition of the Vietnamese economy from one being government run and strictly controlled to that of a market economy. As a result of Do Moi, the Vietnamese people has been enjoying greater prosperity and a higher standard of living. It has also brought us closer to the world and spurning political reforms. Isn't that a Vietnamese progress?

Greater prosperity and higher standard of living is still dubious. I don't think you can consider Vietnam now as "prosperity" although its country's economy is booming.

Political reforms? Oh please, old uneducated northern vietnamese are still controlling Vietnam, and it stands behind Indonesia (2nd place) in the world corruption index

Yes there is a long way to go, but without the Doi Moi, Vietnam would still be threatened with famine and 60% of the population would be in poverty. It's a progress although it's still infantile a step.

I'm glad the goverment knows that communism doesn't work icon_rolleyes.gif
Byron
Famine? Not really. Vietnamese people weren't really starving.

According to the World Bank Report on Vietnam for 2004.

In percent 1993 1998 2002
Poverty rate 58.1 37.4 28.9
Urban 25.1 9.2 6.6
Rural 66.4 45.5 35.6
Kinh and Chinese 53.9 31.1 23.1
Ethnic minorities 86.4 75.2 69.3
Food poverty 24.9 15.0 10.9
Urban 7.9 2.5 1.9
Rural 29.1 18.6 13.6
Kinh and Chinese 20.8 10.6 6.5
Ethnic minorities 52.0 41.8 41.5
Poverty gap 18.5 9.5 6.9
Urban 6.4 1.7 1.3
Rural 21.5 11.8 8.7
Kinh and Chinese 16.0 7.1 4.7
Ethnic minorities 34.7 24.2 22.8
HoChiMinh
Dude the Doi Moi program started in 1986. Go and get some earlier statistics and see how Vietnam was faring back then.

And yes, without the fear of Vietnam on the verge of a famine, the government wouldn't have thought up Doi Moi.
supernovasp
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:27 PM)
Dude the Doi Moi program started in 1986. Go and get some earlier statistics and see how Vietnam was faring back then.

And yes, without the fear of Vietnam on the verge of a famine, the government wouldn't have thought up Doi Moi.

Thought up?

embarassedlaugh.gif
HoChiMinh
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:31 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:27 PM)
Dude the Doi Moi program started in 1986. Go and get some earlier statistics and see how Vietnam was faring back then.

And yes, without the fear of Vietnam on the verge of a famine, the government wouldn't have thought up Doi Moi.

Thought up?

embarassedlaugh.gif

Playing words with me eh? icon_redface.gif

Came up... happy how?
supernovasp
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:32 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:31 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:27 PM)
Dude the Doi Moi program started in 1986. Go and get some earlier statistics and see how Vietnam was faring back then.

And yes, without the fear of Vietnam on the verge of a famine, the government wouldn't have thought up Doi Moi.

Thought up?

embarassedlaugh.gif

Playing words with me eh? icon_redface.gif

Came up... happy how?

That's even more laughable. If they thought up, then I think they are really ehh... stupid. Everybody knows communism doesn't work.

"Realize" is more approriate..
HoChiMinh
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:34 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:32 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:31 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:27 PM)
Dude the Doi Moi program started in 1986. Go and get some earlier statistics and see how Vietnam was faring back then.

And yes, without the fear of Vietnam on the verge of a famine, the government wouldn't have thought up Doi Moi.

Thought up?

embarassedlaugh.gif

Playing words with me eh? icon_redface.gif

Came up... happy how?

That's even more laughable. If they thought up, then I think they are really ehh... stupid. Everybody knows communism doesn't work.

"Realize" is more approriate..

Obviously they realized that Communism doens't work, which prompted them to come up with Doi Moi to revive the economy.
supernovasp
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:37 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:34 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:32 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:31 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:27 PM)
Dude the Doi Moi program started in 1986. Go and get some earlier statistics and see how Vietnam was faring back then.

And yes, without the fear of Vietnam on the verge of a famine, the government wouldn't have thought up Doi Moi.

Thought up?

embarassedlaugh.gif

Playing words with me eh? icon_redface.gif

Came up... happy how?

That's even more laughable. If they thought up, then I think they are really ehh... stupid. Everybody knows communism doesn't work.

"Realize" is more approriate..

Obviously they realized that Communism doens't work, which prompted them to come up with Doi Moi to revive the economy.

that's my point. "Realize" is more appriate than "thought of"
herosword
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:17 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:16 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:11 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:07 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:06 PM)
First is Independence, second is Doi Moi and the recent economic/political reforms.

How is Doi Moi really a Vietnam's progress?

Doi Moi refers to the transition of the Vietnamese economy from one being government run and strictly controlled to that of a market economy. As a result of Do Moi, the Vietnamese people has been enjoying greater prosperity and a higher standard of living. It has also brought us closer to the world and spurning political reforms. Isn't that a Vietnamese progress?

Greater prosperity and higher standard of living is still dubious. I don't think you can consider Vietnam now as "prosperity" although its country's economy is booming.

Political reforms? Oh please, old uneducated northern vietnamese are still controlling Vietnam, and it stands behind Indonesia (2nd place) in the world corruption index

Yes there is a long way to go, but without the Doi Moi, Vietnam would still be threatened with famine and 60% of the population would be in poverty. It's a progress although it's still infantile a step.

Political reform would be great but what is going to move the slow, greedy Vietnamese officials in control to give up their power? I'll agree with you that once Vietnam achieve a reasonable level of prosperity people will be able to think about things besides their stomach and maybe something good will happen. At the current rate of "reform," however, I haven't seen any noticeable change in the political arena.
HoChiMinh
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:39 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:37 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:34 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:32 PM)
QUOTE (supernovasp @ Jul 28 2004, 10:31 PM)
QUOTE (HoChiMinh @ Jul 28 2004, 10:27 PM)
Dude the Doi Moi program started in 1986. Go and get some earlier statistics and see how Vietnam was faring back then.

And yes, without the fear of Vietnam on the verge of a famine, the government wouldn't have thought up Doi Moi.

Thought up?

embarassedlaugh.gif

Playing words with me eh? icon_redface.gif

Came up... happy how?

That's even more laughable. If they thought up, then I think they are really ehh... stupid. Everybody knows communism doesn't work.

"Realize" is more approriate..

Obviously they realized that Communism doens't work, which prompted them to come up with Doi Moi to revive the economy.

that's my point. "Realize" is more appriate than "thought of"

You're half correct. They realized Commie economy didn't work , THEN came up with Doi Moi (transition to market economy). So I was right too har har embarassedlaugh.gif
Johannjs
I vote other =

Kicked out the bloody (strict sens) uneducated (strict sens) barbarians (strict sens for the despisable US army engaged).

Independence, anyway.
Reform of language? why is this in the options?


Beside this, hopeless onlookers' blind opinions shouldn't be discussed... things are never good for them, and that will be like so forever. Why anyone should mind?
jonii-wanwan
Independence from foreign invaders.
chinowei
communist doesn't work?? why is that???
since vietnam's economy are booming...that should means communist does work
PervertBurger
QUOTE (chinowei @ Jul 29 2004, 12:50 PM)
communist doesn't work?? why is that???
since vietnam's economy are booming...that should means communist does work

It works. Just under a free market wheather it be regulated or not.

Classic Communist style markets don't work though. Bull$hit.
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