Seems like most of the US military prositution in the Vietnam war was mostly American troops who went to Thailand and not Vietnam for some R & R which is much different than previous wars where the troops would do it with the natives instead like in the Korean War.

http://www.wm.edu/so/monitor/spring2000/paper6.htm





It disgusts me that the US is partly responsible for creating the prositution problem in Asia today with Thailand the #1 prostitute country in the world and Korean women prostituting to US bases today and even shipping lots of them to the US to continue their services even today.

I thought US believed in certain rights for everyone?

Oh my... you didn't get the memo? When they said everyone... they meant everyone white.

Close this topic please !

For what reasons?

This is called war profiteering which means that some countries or corporations stand to gain financially at the expense of the war-torn country. Thailand, S. Korea, Philipines were the "coalition of the willing" because they knew that US would pump money into their economies. At least, S. Korea got industrialized, but sadly, for Thailand, the economy was built on carnal pleasure.

This is why I agree with the Vietnam leaders to reject the US's offer to building a base in Cam Ranh Bay and use it for our economy instead.

Be thankful that North Vietnam won or else Vietnam would share the same fate.

so then just now don.t exist vietnamese prostitutes in vietnam? or cambodia?

What the hell are trying to say? is English your 8th language?

Don't blabber on potentially controversial topics that you don't know much about. Most cities that have a large tourist industry have a lot of prostitution. Does Las Vegas ring a bell?

And most prostitutes that U.S. soldiers solicit in Korea are not Koreans. For example, in Kyonggi province(the capital province), 90% of prostitutes in brothels near U.S. military bases are foreigners.

As for the recent exodus of Korean prostitutes to overseas destinations, that's because of a major government crackdown on prostitution in Korea that left most red light district brothels out of business and many prostitutes out of the job.

*I just read the report. Man, that's a load of feminist crap. Lots of distortions of fact. For example, the Kisaengs were basically professional women in various fields such as art, music, poetry, medicine, etc. Some of the performers of dance and music offered sexual services, but many of them didn't. And it certainly doesn't mean "rented wife". Where the fu-k did that come from?

vietnam dont have prostitutes? means
i had heard many vietnamese prostitutes working in cambodia
rights? or not?

frankly i experienced mat-ssa in saigon before
there is many mat ssa shop

Nothing wrong with bringing up contraversial topics as long as its done in good taste. Unless you prefer to keep such things hidden.



I don't know about that. Prostitution accounts for 4% of South Korea's GDP, more than electricity and gas industry combined and is ingrained in history with Korean women as well, as this article can atest to.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...MNGAULL53D1.DTL





I that very odd that these women somehow "avoided" going to US military bases where more money can be made and somehow conviently avoided those bases.

I didn't want to bring up Korea cause this article was more focused on Thailand whose prositutition problem is much more larger.



As my article above states, Prostitution is thriving in South Korea despite the government crackdown contributing to 4% of GDP. Personally it makes me sick that Americans go in and hurt the people they claim they save and do it in the name of "freedom".



I'm not evaluating her opinions, I'm just using her facts that she cited with sources about how American troops have exploited Thai and Korean women which is fact.

Prostitutes are prostitutes. They want money, that's all !

I heard from several friends who were in Vietnam that back then it was so much harder to find prostitutes than anywhere else.

I prefer to keep such things hidden, because I don't want to offend people by using lame topics such as prostitution. And you're quite a fool for opening up this controversial topic that could be offensive to Koreans and Thais, considering that Vietnam isn't doing all that well in this regard either, if not worse. Prostitution is a social problem pervasive throughout the world, not just Korea or Thailand.



Prostitution constituting 4% of GDP is possible if the "Room Salons" are considered prostitution. Room Salons are like the modern version of Kisaengs, and even without prostitution, they cost at least $400 per person.



Uh, more money can be made around US military bases? Earnings of U.S. soldiers are from less-than-average to average by Korean standards. Anyways, out of 899 prostitutes around U.S. military bases in Kyonggi province, 88 of them are Koreans and 81 of them are Russians. The rest, 730 of them, are Southeast Asians.



Again, prostitution is a pervasive problem throughout the world. You can get sex for money just as easily in Korea, Japan and China as in Thailand. Chekc these urls if you think Vietnam is exempt from this problem:

http://www.worldsexguide.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=1036

http://www.worldsexguide.com/guide/Asia/Vietnam/index.htm

Anyways, most red light distircts in Korea were closed down due to the legislation of a law much harsher on the clients of prostitution. The brothels were given a grace period until 2008 to start a new, different business. Many of them are already gone, and some of the RLDs are set for redevelopment into high-density residential areas. This resulted in a major exodus of Korean prostitutes overseas for jobs. Likewise, it also resulted in a major exodus of Korean men going abroad for sex. Guess where their primary destinations are. It ain't Thailand.

prostitution is ubiquitous.

I never denied prostitution existed in Vietnam. The point of the thread is to try to blame fault on the US for creating the prostitution problem in Thailand. Why Thailand? Cause Thailand is the #1 country in the world for prostitution and it might not have happened if it wasn't for the U.S.

Why hide stuff like this? The sooner it is brought to light the sooner people can put an end to it.



Earnings is just one factor, but military men are more likely to spend money on a prostitute than a civilian due to the fact that they are far away from their girlsfriends, wives and hence need some temporary "loving" to feel the void. So I think a prositute can make more business with troops stationed away from their homes.

And lets say your assertion that most of the prostitutes around the bases are mostly foreigners? So what? US troops can leave the bases and go into the city to buy prositutes or cause trouble which I've read in newspaper artifcles too. I'm sure US troops do go into the city for some fun a lot.

Why do you assume that Thailand is the "#1 country" in the world for prostitution? Have you ever seen the red light district of Amsterdam where prostitution is legal?






My assertion? Those figures are from an official statistic of a government audit.

LOL, too bad for them, most Korean brothels reject service to foreigners. Another thing, army bases are distant from urban centers, obviously, and military men don't have much leave time. U.S. soldiers pretty much keep it to themselves, who usually go to places around the base that are set to specifically cater to them. This is mainly due to the language barrier and distance from the cities.

Maybe not the #1 country but bad enough to earn the nickname "Whorehouse of the world" according to this report on this issue.

http://www.links.net/vita/swat/course/prosthai.html



Hmmmm the Phillipines too? Hmmmm wasn't the Phillipines an American colony? I wouldn't be surprised if they are responsible for that as well. I should do some more investigation.

My point is that Americans corrupt anything they touch.



I read plenty of articles of US military men committing bad conduct on the Korean populace and plenty of them are posted here by Koreans on AF.

not a good look for thais.....

lots of Isaan in Thailand are street walker.

one of my own words that means PROSTITUTION.

Uh, yeah, those two were the poorest and yet politically stable countries in East Asia accessible by travelers from the developed world. Don't go crying once China and Vietnam replace them, which would likely be the case. This is already happening in Korea - Koreans' primary destination for sex in the 90s was Thailand. Now, the primary destinations are China and Vietnam.



Ha, so did the Americans corrupt Denmark too? The most recent controversial issue on prostitution in Korea is that Korean high school students are being constantly exposed to prostitution in China on their high school field trips there. Were the Americans involved in that as well?

Prostitution is quite simple. It's all about money. The cheaper the better. All you can blame is human nature, capitalism, and the inability or unwillingness of the respective government to control it(if that is even possible).

Prostitution is a worldwide problem and tragedy for every nation/society. Moreover I find it hilarious that a Vietnamese person is pointing out this problem to other countries (Thailand, Korea, Phillipines) as if his own nation isn't just as if not a bigger victim. Heck prostitution is one thing, but mail order brides are another. I do remember a few posters here being a bit upset at the Taiwanese businessmen purchasing women in Vietnam.

vietnamese child prostitution in Cambodia

http://youtube.com/watch?v=t4ieL2PezjE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OXlg9bacB1o

The original post is about how US military helped create Thailand's sex tourism during Vietnam war. This is a well-established fact. Prostitution exists everywhere in the world, but in some countries, it's more prevalent than others. Regarding the mail-order brides, Vietnamese girls from poor families in the countryside are the one most likely marry to S. Korean and Taiwanese. At least, it is honorable than becoming flesh for every man.

And yes there are child prostitutes in every country including US, so what is your point? At least it is not legal in Vietnam while other countries are quite open about it like Thailand and Cambodia.

Hmmm prostitution and mail order brides is not the same thing. Not that I condone mail order brides.



Prostitution in China and Vietnam is due to lack of income and can be greatly reduced as the economies of both countries go up. While South Korea has a 4% GDP worth of prostitution and even exporting the girls to the US even though it's a developed country. I find this very troubling and blame the US's influence for this, as no matter how much money they get they will still prostitute themselves.

Same with Thailand. Girls prostituted themselves to the US military men as a means to allieve poverty, but once Thailand got richer it didn't stop, they were addicted to it, thanks to the Americans.

How disgusting the Americans haven't done anything about it yet.

person a: what's the capital of Thailand?

person b: err? b..

person a: bangcock!! *punches person b on the nuts*


Prostitution is cool it aint no issues or problem, b!tch, shut the fu-k up. A lot of girls growing up secretly wanting to be prostitutes anyways so might as well legalize it. Let them hoes (sex workers) pay taxes.

It's also good for the ugly folks because naturally good looking people only fu-k each others but if you have money? things will be different. Lets take Cho the Virginia tech korean killer for an example, if he could've pay for some white pussies then the school shooting would've never took place. He tried to fu-k a stripper but she turned him down coz prostitution is illegal. He has about 700-900 dollars left after paying for tuition so he couldn't afford plastic surgery like the rest of the other majority well off Koreans who did. The guy was horny for some white pussies, he couldn't wait, so he brought guns with plenty of clips with those money to show them he meant business.

With legalization of prostitute they'll be safer and no longer need to rely on pimps. Us pimps need some rest, we be tired of slapping hoes around and ask them "where's my money , b!tch?" This is getting old.

My slogan; Stop wasting good pussies and legalize prostitution. Thank you.

It's not just the Americans but a lot of Westerners are doing the sex tourism. Why would the Americans do something about it? It takes two to tango. As long as there is a demand for illicit sex from Westerners and the lack of willingness to get rid of this social vice, it will continue.

Wow, talk about being thickheaded! China and Vietnam already replaced Thailand for the role of being the primary sex travel destination for Asian countries such as Korea.

And Korea's prostitution has little to do with the United States. Prostitution goes far back in history and existed before the Korean War, and prostitution today has little to do with the Americans. Also, according to the same statistics where the "4%" figure comes from, only 4% of prostitution is based on brothels. About 40% of "prostitution" is actually the service industries, such as room salons and massage parlors. Not all of them do prostitution(in case of room salons, which constitutes the majority of this sector, most of them don't) and for those that do, prostitution is only a sidework(which are called "hardcore" room salons). 13% of prostitution, according to the report, is based on the internet, and this figure is very controversial since you can't really measure this reliably.

And these figures are from 2002, BEFORE the major crackdown on prostitution that took place in 2004. AFTER the crackdown, most brothels were closed and those prostitutes who worked there went out of the job and began going overseas. It also sent Korean men seeking sex overseas, primarily in China and Vietnam.

I strongly suggest you stop b!tching about prostitution in other countries, because in this regard, Vietnam isn't dong very well either. And no, the U.S. is not to blame for prostitution - being poor is to blame. And Vietnam is poor.

Hmmm more like the other way around.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...8-2005Mar6.html



Too bad Mr. Kim Jong Il doesn't want to count or display the figures of Korean women who flee to china end up being prostitutes for the Chinese or any other countries that they interact with.



Ok so South Korea did in 2004 what Vietnam Communist government did in 1975? Seems to me the prostitute industry in Korea is adapting to the 2004 crackdown.

Most critics of the 2004 crackdown claim it just pushed it underground.

http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104...mp;archive=true

Amazing, the subject of China's prostitution came up even though this topic had nothing to do with the prostitution of that particular country at all to begin with......... but then again when you consider who the poster is, there shouldn't be any surprise.


BTW Byron thanks for posting that article, you beat me to it

Getting really desperate, arent' you? South Korea and North Korea are two different economies, so you'll have to take that into consideration. And while it's true that North Korea is probably the poorest economy in Asia, it's not open like Vietnam. And sexual exploitation of North Korean refugees is quite different from ordinary economic prostitutes. Those refugees are politically persecuted by an unscrupulous regime that puts South Korean NGO workers in jail for helping those refugees. This is a case where the Chinese government, rather than the American one, is directly responsible for not only prostitution, but also violation of human rights. So this is where your "American influence is the cause of prostitution" theory goes into the trash can.



South Korea regularly cracked down on prostitution, except that this time it was on an entirely different scale due to the legislation of a new anti-prostitution law. It's true that it pushed prostitution further underground, but the underground has its limits since it's not as accessible to regular people as brothels, and it left many prostitutes out of the job. Hell, they even held demonstrations against the Korean government for the crackdown and not providing adequate job programs.

Drastic measure, my friend..

And you're supposed to be some sort of "expert" on the prostitution industry during the Vietnam War? Please. By the way, we are talking about U.S. soldiers doing Korean prostitutes during the Korean War, which I'm sure equates to actual Korean girls getting banged. Hines Ward (or shall I say, "Pride of Korea"?) rings a bell?



Yeah, and just what the hell does this got to do with Vietnam? Or even Korean prostitution post-Korean War? Nothing. And worldsexguide.com? Wow, someone definitely needs to get laid. Make sure no one checks out your browsing history.



Really? Not so according to a friend of mine stationed over there. BTW, prostitutes are like beggars, goes without saying: "Beggars can't be choosers".



Just so you know, Korean prostitutes are the ones flooding into the U.S. not Vietnamese. South Korea ain't exactly "rich" either.



It's an obvious sign of severe inferiority complex. Frustrated Korean exchange students/immigrants like SantaKlaws ought to get laid.

why do i get the feeling that some non-vietnamese (who has a huge a.ss grudge against koreans) is making multiple accounts to get vietnamese to be against the koreans?

Some way to enter the forum. A brand new ID that makes personal attacks at the very first post - wouldn't be surprised if you're some troll hiding behind some random account. Talk about inferiority complex.

Discussing prostitution in Vietnam and China is quite relevant to the topic because it contradicts Byron's theory that prostitution is caused by "American influence", which I think is quite ioditic. My point is that prostitution is a pervasive problem throughout the world, not just Korea or Thailand.



I agree, Vovinam being an obvious case. I'm trying my best not to be so offensive to Vietnamese, but this Byron is quite an idiot of a nationalist who doesn't really consider the position he is in. Anyways, making a thread with the intention to attribute prostitution to a partiuclar country or blame it on the other is idiotic, considering that prostitution is a pervasive global problem that transcends national boundaries and eras of human civilization. Topics like this only provokes other forum members who can retaliate just as easily, because as I've mentioned, no country is free from this problem.

To be honest I don't know why this thread was created. It really serves no purpose since all of this is old information and there are threads like these around on this forum already. It's more of a bashing on Thailand and other countries, it really serves no purpose.

I'm very proud of VN's fast growing economy and it's history, we should have more productive discussions in this chat section instead of the same old rhetorics. Most of the ethnic chat sections here have declined severely these past few months.

Just trying to do whatever I can man...gotta make up an argument..putting in that work..

You clearly misinterpreted his post.



No, he did not claim that US created the problem, since prostitution existed way before western exposure in Asia. It is clear from his post that he is trying to address the possiblity of US being "partly responsible" for prostituion in Asia today, as the problem has become more epic due to their service in recent times. Also, If you read his topic title clearly, it says, "Vietnam War created the Thai Prosititution Industry?," which is left question marked to be confirmed otherwise. If you disagree, then say so. But, please, try not to come in here accusing people of making "controversial topics" because you're too insecure to discuss them.



Sources? I don't think when United States established their bases in South Korea that 90% of prostitutes there were foreigners. If you're referring to current times, then maybe you're right. It doesn't change the fact that prostitution in Asia increased after western exposure, which may be what Bryan is suggesting.



Again, he never denied this. In fact, I'm sure most people would assume this. Prostituion exists everywhere in the world, that's a known fact, but the topic was approached with a central theme in which focuses on whether the United States contributed to Asia's increasing prostitution problem in recent times. If I am wrong, i'll leave it to Bryan to clear it up.

requesting topic closure.

You korean nuckle head stop eating dog meat and start thinking straight! What we see is your fallacy of your own social issue back home. Let's tell me how many korean b!tches right now sitting in San Francisco 's area's bothel like massage parlors, not just that DC and every other US cities, Canada, Vietnam and HK. I used to go there too back in 1998 and even in every city in korea, Enchon, Ysanyong, Seuol,... Annual capital generated from korean sex workers is the second highest after IT revenue in Korea, The end of this robust business endded on 2002 when most brothels in korea were out of business, however they went online, underground and overseas instead. So what is up? the fact and the scrap? Admit the fact is an open forum here every one wants to hear. Wnat some visual facts I will send you too!

not to mention many american men are manwhores

Where there are demands from people who can pay-up, there will be supply. Men fought wars, and they need women. Moreover, Chinese are known to be very creative at making a living, in this case Chinese-Thai. These type of "services" had always been there, but these factors created a mini perfect storm if you will. So it is a plausible and manipulative question that Brian (excuse the name I'm not in France or England) made. The question is also one which is unintentionally-inconsiderate but purposely aims at suggesting the immorality of American conducts at the highest level (in term of operations, not Nixon and the likes ). Anyway, I don't think these kind of posts are good. But this is the internet, should not take anything seriously. Scan down, in any sections on here and elsewhere, and you will see (if you even have time that is.)