If the Vietnamese had not defeated China centuries ago, what will the world look like today? China would surely have occupied what is now VN, Cambodia and Laos. China would have been an enormous country influencing every East and South-East Asian nation for better or for worse, and playing the biggest role in world politics. The Viet people would be no more, eventually losing their language and cultural values forever.

If the Vietnamese had not defeated the USA for control of their own destiny (America sent 5 million personnel to VN, including 3 million military), what would have become the border between VN and China? Perhaps the Americans and Chinese would be eyeballing each other across the fence with clashes that could light up a dramatic fight between the 2 super powers to "save face". The Americans would have stayed forever to establish a permanant presence in the "falling dominoes" region. The Viets would become subservient to their 6 foot tall wealthy invaders who would look down at the 5 foot high peasant and push him around and use him as puppets in their "game" against China and Russia.

Thankfully, there were some tenacious Vietnamese that dared to win.

You'd be called a Chiet

If China and USSR continued to support Viet Nam, then the whole Southeast Asia or South Asia would be Viet Nam by now. We had 5 million troops ready to swallow the whole southeast asia.

If we couldn't cross the water to invade malaysia/indonesia at the time we got to Thailand/Myanmar, we would do what Germany did when they couldn't cross the English Channel to takeover England. That's to invade India just like Germany invaded Russia. The dream of South Asia Federation would become a reality.

if our ancestors had not defeated the northerners, then our people would have gone the way of the darker-skinned people that used to roam insular southeast asia. our numbers would have dwindled into insignificance, like the chams. fortunately, our ancestors were capable of victories that secured a place for us in southeast asia. it's survival-of-the-fittest at work. and time after time, we've secured our existence by defeating the great powers to the north -- a feat unmatched by certain people who are native to southeast asian countries that have ceased to be, or are currently undergoing a state of decline.

pretty much vietnam is the key to region stability/control...vietnam's basicly the b1tch everyone love and hate..
one thing for sure is that vietnams nobody's b1tch!

This would happen if Viet Nam lost the war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbBRthe0q8

as history proves it, if the south Vietnamese won the Vietnam war, I bet anything that US Military bases would be in that area and it would be packed and full of troops like Japan and Korea. I can't decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing though.

South Vietnamese as in National Liberation Front (NLF)

You wouldnt know if China could have taken over Cambodia. So stop acting like you have a degree in history.

Yeah, Cambodia was once a powerful nation, right?

yes, an Empire in fact. We had good relations with China

Alright, cambodia is the most powerful, richest, superior intelligent, best looking, lightest skin country in the world. You happy now? Now lets continue with our topic

if the south win then we will have 2 country south vn would be s.korea and north would be like n.korea south would probably be rich because of us help but idk if i want things to be like that

Best lookin I agree. Lightest skin I don't. Cambodians are diverse in skintones unlike their vietnamese neighbors who are yellow. Honestly I am proud to be tanned skinned. Thank god I was born Cambodian.

And okay we all know vietnamese people has the best accents, best teeths, they are the least chinesey amongst SE asian. And it's rare for a viet to have Nguyen or Tran as their last name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know that. Now let's get back on topic Mr. Phuc Mi Quoc.

Cambodians are pretty good. They could hold Vietnamese invasion for 2 weeks.

you mean closest lookin', after the blacks, to the monkeys. and the reason ya'll so black is cause your family and ancestors so stupid that all they do is farm and work the fields, thats the reason 99% of ya'll is black. ya''ll look more indian than asians anyways............ya'll shouldn't even call ya'll asians, cause ya'll make the real asians look bad.






well, pin a rose on your nose............this person acts like his race has better teeth and accents, lol! i don't know were you live, but here in america, us viets have decent teeth. it's been a while since i've seen some messed up grills. and what's wrong with lookin' more chinesey? i rather look asian than indian, african or arabian, like ya'll. i admit, i've had a few cambo girls in my lifetime, light skinned of course, and let me tell ya, they are freaks.

Are these your popular homies. Wow they look so cool.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bengoc/103603461/

I also found a picture of your vietnamese lover

Just lovely.

How did this thread turn from if China hand conquered us into Cambodian looks? To add to the crappy subject, i didn't know so many Cambodians hate Vietnamese and vice versa until i came on here and seen some videos on youtube.

Its pretty stupid really, I've seen countless comments like Cambodians are so 'exotic' have big eyes, dark... the Vietnamese a pale, chinese eyes not as 'exotic'... Do you honestly think whole populations of millions of people look the same? theres craploads of dark Vietnamese that look like so called 'exotic' Cambodians and i don't think they go around bragging. Their looks didnt save them in the Vietnam war, neither did yours from the Khmer Rouge.

In the end both sides look like pathetic idiots in these arguments because we are both poor third world war-torn countries and I don't think Western countries look at us differently based on who can pull of the better 'exotic' look. Looks ain't going to help either of our countries economically so quit bringing up such childish and primitive arguments

ya know, i can play the same childish games like you, but i'll stop, i don't have hate for cambo's, my best of friends are cambos. i'm just sticking up for my race since you started the damn thang. you think that pic of those fob's are my homies, hell no, but they are my race. but i don't need to try and make cambo's look bad, they do a good job at it already. not trying to be funny either.

that guy is awesome hes in a lot of stephen chow movie

I didn't start it first you made you did first so I'm sticking out for my ethnicity.

I thought this guy is Chinese!!!!! I feel like putting a Tea Pot on his head

I've seen you post before and honestly, you're a troll. You always have something bad to say about Vietnamese people. You stated that Cambodians are diverse in skin-tones and then generalize the whole population of Vietnamese as all being all yellow. Vietnamese too are diverse and hell, like I've said before, I always get mistaken for Filipino or Cambodian. But enough on that, I dont have anything bad to say about Cambos...some of my closest friends are Cambodians.

How come people don't mistaken you as a viet because of your dark skin?

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but he is actually Chinese Tae Chow. If you're going to troll at least do it well.

i don't really care.

yeah, quit the ethnocentric attitude...

I always see the same $hit, nothing will never change.

Yeah Some people will know that i Viet right away though because my last name is Tran

The Viet Cong are the one that looks ugly as hell.

VC here for u

mai phuong thuy

another hot VC



VC as in Viet Chick right? LOL

The outcome would be lots different. The vast middle kingdom would probably disintegrate by now, the old Chinese language would share the same fate like Latin or Spanish. External threats actually united China. China failed to partition and sincinize modern Vietnam. The period after 938 AD, Dai Viet government only give privilege to two kinds of people to settle in Vietnam, Chinese doctors and cooks (nghề dưỡng sinh). But you are right, I read a while ago that Indonesia president already assumed Vietnam's role in Indochina to keep China in check, Indonesia once tried to evict Chinese people from its land.

what is so bad about being dark
im dark viet ppl call me dark, fillipino, white even black ppl call me dark
except for this one girl who is white with part mexican she say im not that dark

o i just got back from a wedding last night and there were a lot of cambodians there but they speak viet tho and my dad say they were pretty cool and he is gona do business with them
i didnt talk to any tho cause they were not in my age group and i dont like talking to stranger

She's rather yummy!

But It's no good, I believe he's more inclined in the other diection. Suggest give him Dan Truong

If S. Vietnam had won the war, the American influence could actually help our country prosper. The only reason the US even got involved in that war was to prevent the "Dominoe Effect" of communism during their Cold War with Russia. Other than that, there was really no benefits for the US in helping us, it's not like they wanted to gain control of our country. Having the US in Vietnam is not a bad thing. Only downside to us winning the war is that we probably won't be living in America right now. But I wouldn't mind if that meant living in a free Vietnam.






Yea, thank god you're Cambodian because you would embarrass our race if u were Vietnamese. You're so fukin igorant that I think even the Cambodians are ashamed to have u. You make one pathetic Cambodian.

Then what was the reason why the US supplied 80% to the French, and they were about to nuke Vietnam to help the French. The "Domino Effect" was just a lie or an excuse to go to war with Vietnam as the US became enemy ever since they aided the French.

Ho was never an anti-American or a hardheaded man, he admired the U.S and goes as far as quoting the Decoration of Independence. Ho was ready to suck the U.S d!ck for democracy and freedom juice but it seems the boys in Washington have their own agenda.

The "Dominoes Effect" was just bull$hit....

I never said he was Anti-American, in fact he hoped that America would ally itself with a Vietnamese nationalist movement, communist or otherwise.

Regarding the US helping the French

The US was in favor of nationalism and independence, but on the other hand, needed to remain allies with France in their fight against communism.

At first, Ho's plea for US intervention was rebuffed due to French pressure and Ho's communist acitivities. But the US did not favor colonization and even provided funding and training to the Viet Minh. The Viet Minh provided valuable intelligence on Japanese troop movements and rescued downed American pilots.

In 1945 Ho declared independence from France citing the Declaration of Independence as US Army officers stood beside him on the podium. But the new government only lasted a few days as power politics came into play.

The US changed its position becuase they realized that France would play a crucial role in deterring communist ambitions in Europe and needed their support for US's policies in regard to NATO . On the other hand, the U.S. tried to persuade France to consider decolonization and Roosevelt had consistently stalled French demands for US help in recolonizing Vietnam.

As far as America was concerned, the entire communist world was controlled by Moscow. In spite of Ho's pleas for US recognition, the US gradually came to the conclusion that he was under Moscow's control therefore they decided to aid the French.

Regarding the Dominoe Theory

The Dominoe Theory had nothing to do with France. Let's not forget that the US's real enemy at that time was Moscow as the two struggled for power in the Cold War.

The domino theory was used by the US during the Cold War to justify American intervention around the world. If Communists succeeded in taking over the rest of Indochina (Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia) then they could take over Burma, Thailand, Malaya and Indonesia.

The primary evidence for the domino theory is the communist takeover of three Southeast Asian countries in 1975, following the United States pulling its troops out of the region at the end of the Vietnam War: South Vietnam (by the Viet Cong), Laos (by the Pathet Lao), and Cambodia (by the Khmer Rouge).

I cannot argue that the US did not have other reasons. In fact, I can even explain some other reasons....but the MAIN and most important reason was to protect the free world from communism. So you cannot say the dominoe theory is bull$hit - there is some truth to it. I admit they used it as an excuse to intervene- but the US was REALLY trying to prevent the spread of communism. Whether it was in their own interest or not is a different story.

That's nothing related to domino theory. Communism is just a mean. The far-sighted Phan Bội Châu and Hồ Chí Minh in early days both share the same ultimate objective. Dutch occupation united the people of many kingdoms in Indonesia. I believe patriotic Ho would go for capitalism after things done.

WHAO WHAO WHAO!!! HOLD ON NIGGAH I AINT READING ALL OF THAT! $hit!!

Maybe you misunderstood this part so I'm going to explain it to you or atleast try to. Yay I'm quoting myself now:



Ho was ready for democracy and asked the United States for help but was rejected because Washington has different agenda. If the U.S had help him then there wont be any communist Vietnam, war, destruction, let alone the dominoes effect.

The dominoes effect was bull$hittttttttttttttt! why?? they choose not to help Vietnam and set up a puppet regime under Ngo Dinh Diem. They chose to cancel the election to unified Vietnam when they claim that they're the champion of democracy, what mockery is this? Its all bull$hit!!!!! they are only there to protect their interest. So you see, the dominoes theory was just an excuse for their present in Vietnam and other South East Asian countries.


Yes? no? errr who cares atleast I understand. =]


Today 547546876464657 viet g@@ks are still falling for the CIA's bull$hit propaganda.

^^ Ho already embraced communism before he asked the united states for help. the reason they ignored his request was bc of pressure from the French and bc of his communist activities.

The US refused the election bc they know HCM would win and Vietnam would become a communist country. They feared that it could cause other neighboring countries to fall under communism also. Sure, they had other reasons among that, but the dominoe theory was in fact real.

I was just stating evidence in favor of the dominoe theory since genom called it bullsh*t.

It's good to have background info on these things.

However, at the end of day it is always wrong to collaborate with foreign invaders regardless of motive.

It is always a righteous cause to resist foreign invaders using whatever method available. There is an old saying, something like 'ta thà làm quỷ nước Nam chứ không làm Vương đất Bắc'

And if you're Vietnamese, always be magnanimous in victory, e.g. no hanging of defeated enemies

If you adhere to these principles, Vietnam should always defeat invaders

Aaaahhhhahaha


Repeat: It's good to have background info on these things.

Young Ho tried desperately to make himself heard at Versaille, Woodrow Wilson, yeah?

He didn't go to Moscow first, did he?

You're doing well, there's some sense left in you yet (despite being in the midst of ignorant my-parents-told-me town)

When the Chinese make him an offer he replied:


....he was then beheaded by his Chinese captive.



How can I use this to help my fellow VNCH?

The lesson we learn here is that in order to live/survive we must be traitors, and bend over to take it up the @$$, coz this brave Vietnamese hero died trying to act tough. Although he inspiring many generations of successful resistance movement and future ones to come but he died!!!!!! Its better to live and watch other die coz we if we die then we cant watch other people die and stuff, you know? its better to live in shame =] OHHH and follow the hands that feed you even if that hand was used to donkey punch your mother and stab your sister. Follow the hand, the hands and God are one. Put your trust into it. Dogs do this all the time!!! and the obedient ones that love to perform tricks? they get rewarded =]


Need another reason? Well according to Darwinism theory of survival of the fitness ; only desirable characteristics will be able to pass on one generation to the next. Bending over is a very favorite characteristic to those that we are seeking approval of. For an example, the hero above who did not give into the demand of his Chinese captive,result, he was beheaded because his cultural behavior was undesirable. So if we live in America we must produce those desirable characteristics; we must be very anti communist in other to fit in. There's a saying " only good dogs will be fed, disobedient dogs will be thrown out".


Also I would like to remind you to bark "woof woof woof" 20 times a day, its good for our vocal. It may come in handy in the next speech/protest =]

Babyfox143,

Lets go watch a movie and eat popcorn.

Neither did I. It's a bit sad how they need to hate us in order to make themsevles feel better. Usually they attack us by saying things such as "vietg@@ks," "chinesey look," "dog eaters," etc etc. But when we (Vietnamese) attack them back using logical arguments they end up crying, sink down to their insecurity level, and b!tch about how we start $hit with them. It's quite pathetic actually.



Nah, this is where you're wrong. Most people see Cambodians as being dark, curly hair, and negrito looking, which is why you see many Cambodians dating blacks and they assimulate into black society without difficulty. On the other hand, most people see Viets as being exotic, light skinned, beautiful straight hair, educated, knows how to cook, ambitious (we won the war), industrious (we know how to make $$$), which is why you see more whites and East Asians marrying Vietnamese.



I agree, both sides are pathetic arguing over nothing. Both countries are war-torn, but western countries look at Vietnam differently, praising us because we are rising as a country. Most western countries still think of Pol Pot when they think about Cambodia, or sex trade and stuff like that. It's quite sad, actually.



No, you're wrong again. Looks does matter. Thankfully Viets are light skinned people which helps us assimilate better with the wealthier countries up north (Korea, Japan, Taiwan). They are our top 5 investors, and many of them travel to Vietnam on vacations, some eventually marry a Vietnamese women, live in Vietnam or take them back to their country (there's good brides and bad brides). However, most people go to Cambodia usually for a fun time, if you know what I mean.