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dangtomy
people in vietnam work 7-11 and go home eat lunch, take a nap. then star work again from 1-5pm.
study at school either 7-11=4 hours or choose afternoon school from 1-5 pm. what do you think. look at those Japanese, korean and chinese they work much harder to improver their technology and productivity for their country in the world.
blacklight
QUOTE(dangtomy @ Aug 27 2007, 01:05 PM) [snapback]3167336[/snapback]
people in vietnam work 7-11 and go home eat lunch, take a nap. then star work again from 1-5pm.
study at school either 7-11=4 hours or choose afternoon school from 1-5 pm. what do you think. look at those Japanese, korean and chinese they work much harder to improver their technology and productivity for their country in the world.

First, a fact of life: nobody with any good sense would want to work during the lunch nap, which happens to be the hottest time of the day in a tropical country. Second, some deductive reasoning: if the Vietnamese were so fu-king lazy, why would ROK be the biggest investor in Vietnam, why would Taiwan and Singapore be the second and third largest investors in Vietnam, and why are the Japanese, who are the fourth largest investor in Vietnam, planning major investments in Vietnam based on the quality of the Vietnamese workforce? You are ignorant bordering on stupid, calling Vietnamese lazy. It is really insulting that you were too fu-king lazy to bother to do any fact checking before you shot your mouth off. Get the fu-k off this Vietnamese Chat, loser dim bulb.
chanoi
QUOTE(dangtomy @ Aug 27 2007, 01:05 PM) [snapback]3167336[/snapback]
study at school either 7-11=4 hours or choose afternoon school from 1-5 pm. what do you think. look at those Japanese, korean and chinese they work much harder to improver their technology and productivity for their country in the world.


Usually, the students in VietNam spend only 4 hours perday in school during the week day, however they will spent more hrs each day (up to an addition of 4 hrs or more) for extra tutoring.


dalatian
I second blacklight assessment. Having gone through grade school in Vietnam (7:15-11:30am and 1-5pm), I can say that it was pretty heavy for me, and evidently much tougher than grade school in the US. Regarding higher education, I started a few courses at The University of Economics in Saigon prior to migrating to the US. Well, it was pretty tough with lots of theory, marxism, history etc. The workload is pretty much comparable to that of a competitive US univ (I studied engineering at UC Berkeley).
As for work, it is really hot at midday in Vietnam. How could that be seen as lazy when they still work 8 hours a day? Saturday was considered a weekday just until recently.
In any case, one of the most frequently cited reasons for investing in Vietnam by foreign companies is its work ethics. There're other attritubes one can question about Vietnamese characters but hard-working isn't one of them.
fallwater
Vietnamese students/pupils only go to school 7-11 or 1-5 but they have a lot of extra lessons, even little children. They usually spent all day at class.
And it's especially hard for students at secondary school, who prepare competitions to universities. They work really hard (all day and evening, even during the week-end) for 3 years at secondary shcool.
Students at the university usually have a little job beside their lessons. In no way they work less than students in other countries.
ICUQB4UQRU
If anything, the Vietnamese government should impose a flat tax of 200% of all high-quality furniture going out of Vietnam. Vietnam greatest assess right now and for generation to come is it people. More than 3/4 of the population are those who are relatively young, the country right now is full of energy. Why do you think all those country moving their factory from China to Vietnam? Fact is, Vietnam right now is underrated (except for the real estate sector)
chitownbroker
QUOTE(blacklight @ Aug 27 2007, 10:53 AM) [snapback]3167415[/snapback]
First, a fact of life: nobody with any good sense would want to work during the lunch nap, which happens to be the hottest time of the day in a tropical country. Second, some deductive reasoning: if the Vietnamese were so fu-king lazy, why would ROK be the biggest investor in Vietnam, why would Taiwan and Singapore be the second and third largest investors in Vietnam, and why are the Japanese, who are the fourth largest investor in Vietnam, planning major investments in Vietnam based on the quality of the Vietnamese workforce? You are ignorant bordering on stupid, calling Vietnamese lazy. It is really insulting that you were too fu-king lazy to bother to do any fact checking before you shot your mouth off. Get the fu-k off this Vietnamese Chat, loser dim bulb.



There's a simple remedy for making middays a little more work and employee friendly: air-conditioning.

I've never been to Vietnam, so I don't know what the work ethic of its people are, but another reason why a lot of companies are investing in Vietnam as opposed to China is because it is a cheaper alternative.
blacklight
QUOTE(chitownbroker @ Aug 27 2007, 03:40 PM) [snapback]3167580[/snapback]
There's a simple remedy for making middays a little more work and employee friendly: air-conditioning.

I've never been to Vietnam, so I don't know what the work ethic of its people are, but another reason why a lot of companies are investing in Vietnam as opposed to China is because it is a cheaper alternative.

Rumors has it that BanglaDesh is even cheaper, employers routinely abuse and cheat employees and get away with it because the fu-king BanglaDeshi government is spineless and looks the other way - That's one definition of investor friendly, I guess.
Spectacular
Vietnamese people are far from lazy and I am not viet to have to tell you that. They are one of the hardest workers I met. In school they are hard workers.
dalatian
QUOTE(chitownbroker @ Aug 27 2007, 02:40 PM) [snapback]3167580[/snapback]
There's a simple remedy for making middays a little more work and employee friendly: air-conditioning.

Hmmm ... in a country that blackouts are still frequent due to the high demand for electricity from manufacturing, air-conditioners are quite a luxury. Yes, there are plenty of those in offices but those who work in factories or out on the field cannot afford them yet.

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I've never been to Vietnam, so I don't know what the work ethic of its people are, but another reason why a lot of companies are investing in Vietnam as opposed to China is because it is a cheaper alternative.


There are multi-variants in a decision to invest in a country. Certainly, labor cost is one on top of the list, but discarding the value of the people is just plain ridiculous. Here is an example

From the article,
"Japanese chief executives, whose 2006 investments in Vietnam were twice those of the previous year, at $1.3 billion, believe that the Vietnamese work ethic is closer to Japan’s, in terms of a strong belief in quality."
vncs1954
QUOTE(dalatian @ Aug 27 2007, 03:06 PM) [snapback]3167619[/snapback]
Hmmm ... in a country that blackouts are still frequent due to the high demand for electricity from manufacturing, air-conditioners are quite a luxury. Yes, there are plenty of those in offices but those who work in factories or out on the field cannot afford them yet.
There are multi-variants in a decision to invest in a country. Certainly, labor cost is one on top of the list, but discarding the value of the people is just plain ridiculous. Here is an example

From the article,
"Japanese chief executives, whose 2006 investments in Vietnam were twice those of the previous year, at $1.3 billion, believe that the Vietnamese work ethic is closer to Japan’s, in terms of a strong belief in quality."


too many viets pick their nose in public. i always had this feeling that watever i eat in vietnam its bound to have remnants of nose pickings mixed into the ingredients somewhere. if theyre not lazy or slow, the least u can say is that they are freakin unhygienic.
nammergirl
vietnamese people are among the hardest working in the world. everyone knows that.

i don't know about the nose picking thing....at least we are not like the chinese who are constantly clearing out their thoats by spitting out loads of mucus and spit everywhere in public. gross!

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~n.girl
me_me_me
life in vietnam is pretty hard, about school, school is not so easy liek it is in US and yeah, I wouldn't sya vietnamese are lazy and slow worker, There might be alot are but same goes everywhere, it really depends, since every one is different. Most vietnamese work as a farmer so it's really hard and working not liek in US inside, most of the tiem all worker work outside in the sun, so it's pretty hard work adn the yare pretty much hard worker, i know my mom is a super hard worker, never was lazy except when she got sicks but sometiem even when she is sicks she still go to works O_O
maiying
I don't think Vietnamese people are lazy period. A lot of Vietnamese people just are more sensible than other Asians and don't over do it. laugh.gif
StephenDFAgain
i wouldn't call it lazy. i'd call it "leisurely." like the French, Mexicans, or basically alot of people who live in hot and tropical climates.
piclook
no, vietnamese work very hard -- hence the saying: the vietnamese plant the rice, the ... well, you know the rest.... icon_smile.gif
neinei
QUOTE(piclook @ Aug 27 2007, 05:44 PM) [snapback]3167874[/snapback]
no, vietnamese work very hard -- hence the saying: the vietnamese plant the rice, the ... well, you know the rest.... icon_smile.gif


now now lets not start that again

no clue why this is brought up in the first place, vietnamese works damn hard
piclook
QUOTE(neinei @ Aug 27 2007, 06:35 PM) [snapback]3168026[/snapback]
now now lets not start that again


huh? confused.gif

well, whatever you meant by that....the proverb testifies to vietnamese diligence. that's why it needs to be brought to the attention of the OP, so as to reverse his view. icon_smile.gif
StephenDFAgain
i've been in a position of management with alot of Vietnamese for a good chunk of my life, and i would say, in my family's restaurant at least, Vietnamese do not have this concept of hard work for hard work's sake. whereas the other type of Asian we have hired (i won't say what kind), there has been quite a bit who just go at it hard and i have no idea why. maybe they take pride in their workmanship or whatever, who knows.


i think there are problems with both ways of thinking.
neinei
QUOTE(StephenDFAgain @ Aug 27 2007, 09:24 PM) [snapback]3168443[/snapback]
i've been in a position of management with alot of Vietnamese for a good chunk of my life, and i would say, in my family's restaurant at least, Vietnamese do not have this concept of hard work for hard work's sake. whereas the other type of Asian we have hired (i won't say what kind), there has been quite a bit who just go at it hard and i have no idea why. maybe they take pride in their workmanship or whatever, who knows.
i think there are problems with both ways of thinking.


I say the hard working vietnamese outnumbers the lazy @$$ one at least 8 to 2
StephenDFAgain
Vietnamese are certainly harder working than a large amount of groups in the world, Americans, Canadians, Australians, alot of Europeans, so on so on.


to the OP, is being hardworking really anything to brag about??
tdk614
What a stupid thread. Someone wants to flame bait here. There are hard working and lazy people in any society, but why don't you look at a bigger picture. If Vietnamese do not have good work ethics, why then Vietnam attract $10 Billion in FDI last year alone. That is larger than even the FDI that went to India and larger in terms of per capita than the FDI that went to China. Cheap labor is not the only thing because companies can find cheap labor in Africa and some other Asian countries too.
neinei
QUOTE(tdk614 @ Aug 27 2007, 10:39 PM) [snapback]3168602[/snapback]
What a stupid thread. Someone wants to flame bait here. There are hard working and lazy people in any society, but why don't you look at a bigger picture. If Vietnamese do not have good work ethics, why then Vietnam attract $10 Billion in FDI last year alone. That is larger than even the FDI that went to India and larger in terms of per capita than the FDI that went to China. Cheap labor is not the only thing because companies can find cheap labor in Africa and some other Asian countries too.


i agreed this is definitely a flame bait thread, please close this thread asap beerchug.gif
tofu101
There's a saying from this one professor. I forgot how it went, but it sounded something like this: In society, it doesn't matter how hard you work, all that matters is how much you accomplish.

My wording makes it a bit weird. Anyway, I find there is a lot of truth to his qoute. Well, just my opinion. By the way, Vietnamese people do work very hard. My uncle owns a company that designs parts for boeing and he hires mostly Vietnamese and from what I've seen they work very hard and boeing praise his company often. My parents are business owners as well and they work very hard - 12 hour days. I think hard work is one quality Vietnamese people should be very proud of.
SIG_P229
The Viet Cong, in general, are very lazy.
BigbroHN
QUOTE(SIG_P229 @ Aug 28 2007, 01:35 AM) [snapback]3168944[/snapback]
The Viet Cong, in general, are very lazy.



I'm not viet cong but i'm lazy too.

funny thread

Isosceles
QUOTE(dangtomy @ Aug 28 2007, 03:05 AM) [snapback]3167336[/snapback]
people in vietnam work 7-11 and go home eat lunch, take a nap. then star work again from 1-5pm.
study at school either 7-11=4 hours or choose afternoon school from 1-5 pm. what do you think. look at those Japanese, korean and chinese they work much harder to improver their technology and productivity for their country in the world.


grow a brain
qwe123
what about all the Yankie-Viets out there that do nothing while abusing the social security money?
Babyfox143

QUOTE(dangtomy @ Aug 27 2007, 10:05 AM) [snapback]3167336[/snapback]
people in vietnam work 7-11 and go home eat lunch, take a nap. then star work again from 1-5pm.
study at school either 7-11=4 hours or choose afternoon school from 1-5 pm. what do you think. look at those Japanese, korean and chinese they work much harder to improver their technology and productivity for their country in the world.


STFU. u obviously don't know what the fuk u're talking about. Most people in Vietnam are up by 5 am to go to work. The reason they take a lunch break is because from 11-1, besides restaurants, nothing else is opened! Everyone is at home taking a nap so they have energy to work till evening, go home and take care of their family and be up again the next morning at 5 am.

School is Vietnam is twice as hard as school in America. Who cares about the hours when the workload is doubled? What I learned in 6th grade, my father already learned in 2nd grade. Obviously, u didn't get any education in Vietnam. Hell, I wonder if u have any education at all.

How the fuk can u even compare Vietnam to Japan and Korea? If it wasnt for that fuked up war, we wouldn't be behind the other countries. Prior to the war, we were economically better off than Korea. The war broke our country but at the rate that we're climbing back up - it's pretty impressive.

Vietnamese people are fukn awesome. They can create, duplicate, improvise, and pull sh*t out of their asses like no one can.

Vietnamese people are the hardest workers I know. My parents worked their asses off to provide for me and my brothers. I'm pay for my own rent and food while studying my @$$ off to become a doctor.

Ignorant people like u annoy the sh*t out of me.


QUOTE(vncs1954 @ Aug 27 2007, 01:35 PM) [snapback]3167668[/snapback]
too many viets pick their nose in public. i always had this feeling that watever i eat in vietnam its bound to have remnants of nose pickings mixed into the ingredients somewhere. if theyre not lazy or slow, the least u can say is that they are freakin unhygienic.


how the hell can u go into a Viet thread and say if Vietnamese people are not lazy or slow, they are at least unhygienic? you are asking for trouble.

it's something called culture, u little igorant fuk. who established that picking your nose is unhygienic? just because that's the norm in America does not make it a universal rule, u dimwit. The people that u've seen do that are probably the older people or the ones fresh from Vietnam because they haven't fully assimiliated the norms of American society yet. In Vietnam, picking your nose in public is like scratching yourself on the arm - it's completely acceptable. If you don't like it, fine, but don't say people are dirty because they do things you don't approve of.

And if you're so scared, then dont go to Vietnam or eat at a Vietnamese restaurant. We don't need little anal-retentive freaks like u in our restuarants anyways.




ICUQB4UQRU
^^^^That one good catch for the bait
Qkhanh
QUOTE(SIG_P229 @ Aug 28 2007, 02:35 AM) [snapback]3168944[/snapback]
The Viet Cong, in general, are very lazy.

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blacklight
You are my kind of "don't take no prisoners", determined Viet girl icon_wink.gif I wish you the best.
Arsenalcow
QUOTE(Babyfox143 @ Aug 28 2007, 09:45 PM) [snapback]3171026[/snapback]
STFU. u obviously don't know what the fuk u're talking about. Most people in Vietnam are up by 5 am to go to work. The reason they take a lunch break is because from 11-1, besides restaurants, nothing else is opened! Everyone is at home taking a nap so they have energy to work till evening, go home and take care of their family and be up again the next morning at 5 am.

School is Vietnam is twice as hard as school in America. Who cares about the hours when the workload is doubled? What I learned in 6th grade, my father already learned in 2nd grade. Obviously, u didn't get any education in Vietnam. Hell, I wonder if u have any education at all.

How the fuk can u even compare Vietnam to Japan and Korea? If it wasnt for that fuked up war, we wouldn't be behind the other countries. Prior to the war, we were economically better off than Korea. The war broke our country but at the rate that we're climbing back up - it's pretty impressive.

Vietnamese people are fukn awesome. They can create, duplicate, improvise, and pull sh*t out of their asses like no one can.

Vietnamese people are the hardest workers I know. My parents worked their asses off to provide for me and my brothers. I'm pay for my own rent and food while studying my @$$ off to become a doctor.

Ignorant people like u annoy the sh*t out of me.
how the hell can u go into a Viet thread and say if Vietnamese people are not lazy or slow, they are at least unhygienic? you are asking for trouble.

it's something called culture, u little igorant fuk. who established that picking your nose is unhygienic? just because that's the norm in America does not make it a universal rule, u dimwit. The people that u've seen do that are probably the older people or the ones fresh from Vietnam because they haven't fully assimiliated the norms of American society yet. In Vietnam, picking your nose in public is like scratching yourself on the arm - it's completely acceptable. If you don't like it, fine, but don't say people are dirty because they do things you don't approve of.

And if you're so scared, then dont go to Vietnam or eat at a Vietnamese restaurant. We don't need little anal-retentive freaks like u in our restuarants anyways.

QFT! Totally agree! Give me a hi5
jimm¥
QUOTE(vncs1954 @ Aug 28 2007, 06:35 AM) [snapback]3167668[/snapback]
too many viets pick their nose in public. i always had this feeling that watever i eat in vietnam its bound to have remnants of nose pickings mixed into the ingredients somewhere. if theyre not lazy or slow, the least u can say is that they are freakin unhygienic.

lazy or slow..thats how from a very young age kids knows how to read and write the whole language system? Talktohand.gif

unhygienic?! ..i guess leaving all those sh1t in ur nose is pretty hygienic huh? shrug.gif

jimm¥
QUOTE(SIG_P229 @ Aug 28 2007, 04:35 PM) [snapback]3168944[/snapback]
The Viet Cong, in general, are very lazy.


sure they are...thats why it took 30 years.... they had too many naps thru the HCM trail...
also,the battle of DBP was won due to their laziness shortcut... laugh.gif
jose cuervo
QUOTE(StephenDFAgain @ Aug 27 2007, 07:24 PM) [snapback]3168443[/snapback]
i've been in a position of management with alot of Vietnamese for a good chunk of my life, and i would say, in my family's restaurant at least, Vietnamese do not have this concept of hard work for hard work's sake. whereas the other type of Asian we have hired (i won't say what kind), there has been quite a bit who just go at it hard and i have no idea why. maybe they take pride in their workmanship or whatever, who knows.
i think there are problems with both ways of thinking.


And who the fuk are you? You're just an idiot. I can really get nasty with what I think of your ethnicity and sexual orientation, but I won't go there. laugh.gif
i3ig_iviac
yes all 80 something million of us just sit around and do nothing...right Talktohand.gif

QUOTE("Wikipedia")
According to the CIA World Fact Book, the unemployment rate in Vietnam is one of the lowest in the world at 2%, trailing behind only Azerbaijan, Cuba, Iceland, Andorra and Liechtenstein.
tdk614
I may add that according to the latest medical research conducted in America, taking naps can improve health and prevent heart diseases. Many cultures practice taking naps such as Italy. Moderator, I suggest that this thread be closed. It's a flame-bait and it's not a worthwhile topic.
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